femidejulius:




How can you know why the Alaafin has done anything he did when you are not even Yoruba?

The Yorubas have no problem at all with your so called "marginalisation". Since 1999,we have produced one president, one vice president, 2 speaker of house of representatives and several important ministers and key government officials. Now, why do we need a young man to help us cry out against marginalisation?

If so tell your fellow Yoruba to stop claiming marginalization. This was what they did to make it seem as though its only Easterners that were complaining when other areas too are like the west are marginalized.

Your fellow Yoruba are double speakers.

QuotaSystem:


Yorubas must have done quite a number on you for you to be seeing them everywhere. You must be either really slow or new on this forum otherwise I wonder why even in your sickest state of mind you'd imagine I was Yoruba or anything close to it.

Since they scare you so much, watch yourself before I 'Yoruba' you

You really think am new on this forum? Well that shows you naviety at its best. Loool....

Whether Yoruba or not, its inconsequential as long as you choose to be their mouthpiece.

femidejulius:


MKO Abiola didn't run away from the wicked military junta. Gani Fawehinmi fought them. Tai Solarin was their nightmare. Femi Falana was not afraid to be killed by the military authorities. Fela Anikulapo Kuti was not going to be kept quite. The list is endless.

Emeka Ojukwu ran away from the military . Nnamdi Kanu had to also run away.

We know the descendants of cowards.

Abiola was used, DUMPED, jailed and snuffed out by your fulani masters.

Femi Falana knows he has limits he dare not cross over. He had no guts to confront your fulanis masters head on.

Fela was an exception, but he was never really seen as a threat because he was an odd musician who wears only underwears and has 27 wives.

Gani fawenhini was another exception but is overrated because he was a fervent Muslim like his northern counterparts.

Ojukwu turned your northerners "2 weeks police action" to a 2 and half military campaign. If not anything, the easterners fought honorably and bravely despite being outgunned and out manned.

Kanus voice alone made the entire political class shit on their pants. Oh.....I just love KANU.

QuotaSystem:


Cry till you fill the Pacific ocean, who cares?

Cownu has been neutralized because he failed to learn the lesson already taught to his ancestors; make the North your target and be ready to eat mud. Ojukwu tried it and ended up taking to his heels and finally pledging loyalty, Orkar tried it and kuka soup was made out of him, Kanu tried it and disappeared into thin air; we are waiting for the next scapegoat.

Find your level or continue to cry till thy kingdom come.

But for the respect I have for a lot of Yorubas, I would have ripped every iota of Yoruba self esteem you think you have.

your Aare Ona kakanfo should learn a thing or two from KANU.

Do you know why the alaafin of Oyo picked Gani Adams as the new aare ona kakanfo? He wanted a young man who could mobilize youths to defend the Yoruba the way KANU did for easterners.

MightySparrow:
Yorubas had been talking about all these since the days of Nnamdi Kanu's grandfather. Awolowo suggested cessation clause within 25 years after indepence if any of the contituent parts was not satisfied. Zik opposed the proposal teamed with hausa to form a national governmet himself became the first dummy president while SW played oppostion. The present government is the only one Yoruba is joining hausa to form a national government willingly. Remember Obasanjo rigged all SW states and courts reversed them.
Igbo elders now feed their youths with lies about Awolowo and Yorubas.
A tribe that harbour them without any bitterness. They prosper in yorubaland without any threat or fear.
Yet Igbos trade insults to Yorubas on dailes and blogs like this efulefu OP.

If you don't know what to post, you remain quiet. You guys are bloody cowards. Since time immemorial, all you guys know is media noise but NO ACTION.

KANU is more effective than ALL your aare ona kakanfos and political bigwigs combined.

Alariiwo:
Dilector Kanu of cursed memory and his people have suffered.

Hausa/Fulanis now decides what and what not SE people can say or do. Which humiliation fit pass this one again.

To make matters worse, their governors and political ashawos they have as leaders will go and say Yes sir for shettima.

Alariiwo, noise maker....but no action. First class coward

Uwazurike working the north to achieve Biafra? Lol.....chai.....only an idiot will believe this nonsense.

KANU remains my HERO...Am proud of him for making you lots shit on your pants.

His words was an OGBUNIGWE that shook your political establishments. Sarrki cried daily online because IPOB was giving his masters nightmares.

IPOB, the most effective pressure group in recent times.

NB: This Thread is purely educational. Ethnic sensitivity is important while reading.

Ndigbo no ebea, oburu na edemede a, e dorugi anya, ijuo ajuju. Uru edemede a bu maka mmuta.


CONTD.
decentralization in igbo politics came with its pros and cons. The ADVANTAGES includes:

- Discouraging and Dismantling Godfatherism in the Igbo political landscape. In these, no man can monopolize power in igboland. He or she will surely be brought down. Igbos cherish their political independence.

- Enhanced Equal opportunity and a level playing field in our politicking. It promotes dynamism. Any body can vy for any political post provided he meets the general criteria.

- Grassroot participation. In these, just about anybody can have his or her say without fear of offending any political top shot.

- Political Variety and Broadened scope. Yes, the electorate can access and assess different political views and ideologies thoroughly without having to see things solely from the view of a politically privileged few.

DISADVANTAGES

- it is capable of hindering political unison when it matters most. The 2011 and 2015 election however, proved that Igbos despite their individualistic tendencies can speak with one voice without being influenced from external factors as seen in 1979, 1993, 1999, 2003 and 2007 elections.

- it may hinder political stability as witnessed in several political offices ceded to the Igbo e.g Senate presidency, etc.


In CONCLUSION, our political tradition of decentralization can be a potent force to attain relevancy and variety if well harnessed.



What's your opinion?




Mynd44 lalasticlala

Amarabae:
Efulefu in action.

Good evening. Nkeahu gbasaragi. This thread is purely educational, not anti-igbo in any way.

hornyofife:
Please Igbo ignore this thread and it will die a natural death...thanks in advance and happy sunday

Stop this ALARMIST attitude. This thread isn't anti-igbo. Just get away with your inferiority complex.

breadandtea:
I know this might sound controversial, but it's the truth.

For sometime now, there has been so much controversy on tithes and how MOG enrich themselves with tithes. Many are of the opinion that the tithes should be donated and shared to the less privileged in the society. Having thought about it, I know it would be a bad idea as it would have a more detrimental effect.

Taking the North and Islam as a case study. It's a fact that the North has the highest number of buggers, both Alamjiris and matured people. Having stayed in the North, It is general knowledge that it is because of Zakaah and Sadaqah that has made so many of them very lazy. Some prefer to beg than to work, a poor man knowing fully well he can't even provide for himself would get married to 4 wives. They know that one way or the other, they would not go hungry and would make money because Zakaah and Sadaqah are compulsory.

For those who don't know the meaning of Sadaqah and Zakaah, it is a form of compulsory payment imposed on Muslims by The Quran, to provide for the poor.

If Churches start giving all the tithes to the poor, trust me, the amount of beggers would triple in Nigeria, because now both Christians and Muslims know that they don't have to work, but they would be provided for.

There should be better ways of utilizing the tithes, rather than giving it wholly to the poor.

I agree with you 100%

LordKO:


"Truly" is an active word in my question. Notionally yes we're, literally we aren't. I've my facts. Actually, popular/age long held opinion doesn't automatically equal to fact. Bye.

Pls do you mind sharing your facts? We are learning and rubbing minds.

Anyway this thread is just the PART ONE. Part two will soon be ready.

LordKO:
Believe you me, the the Igbo's precolonial political system is not the cause of its political backwardness in the current united Nigeria political system - the people's ethical leanings is the cause. Just a change of ethical leanings by at least 50% of the established political and business class will reshape for good the cause of the tribe.

Are Igbo's truly republican in nature as notionally assumed by many? My personal answer is NO.

Igbo are republican in nature. Its a well known fact.

HAUSA
Strength - Language spread, population and landmass
Weakness - High Illiteracy rate and religious extremism.

FULANI
Strength - Caliphates and Military spread
Weakness - Religious extremism, high illiteracy rate, Unforgiveness and Violence.

IDOMA
Strength - Agricultural base, High Sociability
Weakness - Promuscuity, Political Indecisiveness

TIV
Strength - Agricultural base, Tenacity
weakness - Violence, Myopia

EDO/BINI
Strength - Rich Tradition/Culture, Highly Educated
Weakness - Fetishistic/Occultism, Prostitution

YORUBA
Strength - Rich Tradition, Language, population and Cultural Spread, Highly Educated, Urbanized, Diplomatic and High Sociability.

Weakness - Unreliable, Cowardly, Hypocrisy, Fetishistic

IBIBIO/EFIK
Strength - Educated, Humility, Serene, Rich Culture,/Cuisine, Sexually Virile, Reliable, Oil rich
Weakness - Insecure, Servile, Fetish

IJAW
Strength - Highly sociable, Tenacity, Oil rich
Weakness - Laziness, High Naivety, **Militancy?

ISOKO/URHOBO
Strength - Diplomatic, Highly sociable, Oil rich, Tenacity.
Weakness - Naivety

IGBO
Strength - Highly Educated, Urbanized, technological ingenuity, Rich Culture/Cuisine/Tradition, Most Travelled, Skilled Entrepreneurs.

Weakness - Political inconsistency, Self-centeredness, Arrogance and Unbridled Pride.


Just an opinion. What's yours?



Mynd44

In pre-colonial times, the Igbo people were politically decentralized. This was due to the individualistic "Biri ka mbiri" (live and let live) or "onye kwe, Chi ye ekwe" (one's god stands with ones belief or what one chooses to agree with) philosophy.

This encouraged hardwork, self-reliance and self-motivation towards self preservation.

As a result of this philosophy, igbos acclimatized to the political environment closest to them. For instance, because of the centralized system of the Benin kingdom, most Igbo villages or communities on the borders of the river Niger either:

centralized their community headship (obi, asagba, dein)

Or cleaved under the protection of the Benin oba by paying tributes to him while still preserving their Igbo tradition and tradesmanship (thanks to Eze Chime).

On the east side of the river Niger, the Igbo were more communal in dispensing authority. This was usually presided by the council of elders. There may have been a few traditional rulers in some villages but their mornarchy was strictly constitutional and they were midwived by the elders in council.

There were however, theocratic systems in some communities where the high priest also doubled as the leader of the community. This can be seen in the likes of the Eze Nri and Eze Aro in Aguleri and Arochukwu communities present day Anambra and Abia states respectively.

The theocracies could be because these communities were the centres of the two notable Igbo kingdoms - the NRI HEGEMONY and the ARO CONFEDERACY. The former is noted for establishing and spreading much of the Igbo customs and tradition even to non igbo communities like the igala and idoma communities, while the later was noted for economic and military expansion in present day eastern region of Nigeria and the southern cameroons.

An Onitsha (onicha) man sees Nnewi as another country; an Abiriba man sees Ngwaland as another country; an Ubakala man sees Ibeku as another country (despite being so close and proxy to each other in present day umuahia and similar in everything!). An Mbaise man sees Okigwe as another country, an Abakaliki man sees Afikpo as another country; an Nsukka man sees Enugwu-ukwu as another country. The autonomy is the same in almost every community in igboland.

The entry of British colonialism changed all that. However the old order of decentralization affected borderline Igbo communities e.g agbor, igbo-akiri, ukwuani, etc in present day Delta state and River states e.g etche, ikwerre, etc.

These communities were affected in the sense that their closeness and sometimes intermingling with other ethnicities resulted into their desire to be regarded as a different ethnicity, particularly after the fall of the old eastern region in the civil war.

OAM4J Mynd44 imhotep

Yyeske:
Nobody is holding you back but yourselves, do the right thing the right way and other Nigerians will support but going about it the IPOB way won't get you anywhere.
IPOB doesn't speak for me and other reasonable Igbos, it only speaks for its miscreants

Pls disconnect yourself from "reasonable Igbo".

There is nothing reasonable about you or your cowardly noisemaking chestbeating obiano and co.

IPOB is my numero uno PRESSURE GROUP. The only group that brought restructuring to the frontburner in national discourse. How many of your obiano people can do that asides begging people for votes late in the afternoon? COWARDS.

Yyeske:
I hear you, now go meet a good lawyer who knows his onions, ask him how to get a referendum and especially in a country like Nigeria that doesn't have it in its constitution, listen attentively to him then return back and mention me.
Alternatively, you can google it up and get all the facts you want.

You really must think you are having a field day. What a grand delusion.

Attacking Igbo who are pro-biafran in ideology will not make you look good before other tribes.

Anyway, you are a sabo. Na una way.

Yyeske:
Online warrior, shame don catch you

Online and offline coward. Yawa don gas you.

Yyeske:
Save me your sermons, let them sanction Nigeria then for prescribing an illegal, terrorist group na.
Was Nigeria consulted when they were labelling other groups as terrorists? Continue waiting for outsiders to come fight your battle.
More people voted in the election than in 2013

Na so

Oloripelebe:


We don't want unity with deluded flatheaded idiots from the muddy biafla. The chestbeaters and ofe nsala beasts are not to be tkin serious,

Spits on their empty flathea.ds

I get it....your brain still need formatting.

Yyeske:
Online IPOB warrior, stop making noise and tell us the progress so far in the actualisation of Biafra

Sabo I have noticed you.... Biafra was not proscribed by US, UK, EU as your northern masters wanted.

The success in anambra election boycott was so obvious that party agents later in the afternoon had to beg voters with money.

IPOB still holds the conscience of the people.

Yyeske:
Online warrior, the courageous ones were trekking upandan for director and receiving bullets too, where were you then? I forgot, you were on nairaland fighting with your keyboard

Another sabo on the loose.

I know how powerful the media can be, and my pro-biafran friends are thanking me for using it well.

coolitempa:


As long as you miscreants spread a campaign of hate....you will get it back tenfold... ....

Empty response.

Face your ewedu and amala and your bf's "cassava" and stop salivating over Igbos issues.

ProWalker:


This is about the most naive, most dumb, most intelligent post on Nairaland in 2017.
Seun, please do you have an award plague for this guy?

Stop contradicting yourself.... Na so God take catch person.

imhotep:

Calm down and embrace Igbo people

Nwanne, if he sincerely embraces you, then be ready to embrace him too.

In fact, the one who sincerely embraces first is the more matured one.

MhizzAJ:

I don't know
But all i know is that most pastors don't care whether you are ' Born again' or not...Tithe is more important than anything else...

If you don't know her pastor then you are guilty of presumption.

Don't generalize things as these.

There are many unknown yet sincere and commited pastors out there who care about their members eternity. I have seen them.

petra1:


Tithes and offering are given to God in worship

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.

Tithe is an old English word for tenth. =10%

Wrong , the Bible was not written in English

Tithe is the same as tenth given to anyone.
If we are gang members in robbery. Depending on seniority your share could be a tithe
Tithe was a tax standard in the Middle East area of Babylon for centuries and in the general area that Abraham came from.

Wrong. Tithe existed before Babylonia civilization . It is given to God .

The question you should ask is how did Jacob give his tithe? Was it to a priest or temple or was it in burnt offerings

WHO DID JACOB PAY THE TITHE TO?

He gave it to whom he promised to give it to -GOD

Genesis 28:22 (NLT)
22 And this memorial pillar I have set up will become a place for worshiping God, and I will present to God a tenth of everything he gives me.”

The question you should rather be asking yourself is how Jacob knew about the act of tithing to God - through isaac his father and how did isaac got to know about tithe , through Abraham his father. Because God already testified for Abraham faithfulness to preserve the principles of God in his linage .

Genesis 18:19 (NIV)
19 For I have chosen him, so that he will direct his children and his household after him to keep the way of the Lord by doing what is right and just, so that the Lord will bring about for Abraham what he has promised him.”

Thank you my dear.

Do your best to make them understand, but don't let them push you off as it is clear that many of them are itchy in wanting to have a balanced understanding. Some just don't like the idea of tithing.

Don't stress yourself. Let them be.

Remain lifted.

MhizzAJ:
It counts
You think your pastor cares

Do you know her pastor?

coolitempa:
Seems like the entire leadership is bereft of ideas....I mean how can an entire organisation be based on lies and propaganda

What does this one know? Why does Igbo matters concern you so much? What's your business? Are you half as courageous as IPOB group are? Why being pained about pro-biafra issues?

Coward.

omotoyossi:
Hello nairalanders, i just wanted to know if paying tithe as an unrepentant sinner is useful or if God would bless me regardless of my sins because i pay tithe.

The "weightier" things like Jesus stated in Matthew 23:23 is in this case you SALVATION. Seek the kingdom of God FIRST.

Tithing is weighty (important), but your SALVATION is weightier (more important). God won't accept whatever you offer him if you are not born again.

Peacefullove:


Its like something is affecting you . Can't you see question mark (?)

Let me help your comprehension, How were early minister's of Christianity like Paul , Peter etc catered for ? Was it through TITHE ?

God bless you.

aribisala0:
Stop the sentiments what is overindulgence. 2 20 100 or 300?
You are the one tying to tell us that because a an in the bible did something once then "it is scriptural". I am telling you that hundreds of things were done in the bible that does not mean we muut do them. Abraham circumcised his children.We are under no obligation to do so.Why then this fixation with tithing compulsorily. Let those who wish to tithe and leave those who don't alone .Dn't threaten or blackmail them or telll them it is a commandment from God.
When did I tell you I a Christian,Muuslim,Hindu or babalawo? And how is that relevant?

God bless you still.