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plaetton:
I think you are mistaken conscience for consciousness.

Consciousness evolves.Take yourself , for example, when did you become conscious?
While in the womb or after you were born? At exactly what stage in your biological growth did you become conscious and self aware?

Would you say that your level of consciousness at 6months, 1 yr, 5 yrs , 8 yrs and now through adulthood have remained the same, or has evolved along with you biological development, environment, culture, education and social exposures ?

Everything evolves, my friend.
Change ( evolution) is the only CONSTANT in the universe.

Culture, education and knowledge are all material, quantifiable hence subject to change. Consciousness is immaterial, intangible and can't be subject to evolution, 'cause the evolution in question is a physical process.

Even if consciousness is subject to evolution, at what point did man became conscious. Am not talking abt baby in the womb, am talking abt the first man, the primordial man.

delerx:
the painful thing is that the zombie get sense pass a non zombie. My bro ur case is critical. U need to enter icu

If your program code is what you call sense, then I wish you nothing than goodluck. You need JESUS.

The brown roofers will be like, did he really mentioned Biafra? Some fallen angel will commit suicide. RIP in advance.

hrykanu231:
The same guy that said he was fighting for us, turned his back on the region and built his school somewhere else. He is not different from the "polithiefians"

Did u really expect him to build the university here. He was only be cautious.

The yorubas are bunch of unstable lots. Were they not the ones shouting restructuring during GEJ tenure? Now they are in the position to do that, their treacherous self wouldn't allow them. SW is the problem of this country...Sanusi #BrownRoofers #PatheticLots

Izonpikin:
I guess the low oil price is responsible for the agitation in the Niger delta ....abi??..

Apart from the problems of the oil and gas industry in general we have a particular problem right now of which baba by his words and actions caused...don't you get it

You even have strength to reply Zombies.

Tripplejay23:
Biko shut up

WARNING!!!: Keep OFF, a Zombie 003 sighted.

kojusoluwa7:
so that person u refer to as deaf dolt now works in shell. I pity ur sense of reasoning

Warning!!!: Keep OFF, a Zombie 002 sighted.

LydayBobo:
A lot will attribute this to PMB and call him names Meanwhile they know the truth but because it is what they will eat now they're concerned about and not a sustainable future. Am ready to pay the price now that I have government I can trust for a better tomorrow...

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DANGER ALERT!!!: Zombie 001 sighted.

hardywaltz:
Nice tactical move
The National Assembly is also on recess which means Saraki and Ekweremadu would have had all the time to attend to the trial without affecting their legislative functions.
However with this adjournment the trial will conflict with their official role and Senators will eventually call for them to step aside.

[size=14pt]Checkmate[/size]

Pls wake up this is 3:53:01 PM. Thanks

The brown roofers don turn Pastor overnight. Karma is a bi.atch

Fear North. Home of political corruption.

It is only a fool that will ask that question. Aside Lagos that is a non man's land, what does the brown roofers contribute to Nigeria? Hatred, jealousy and cowardice.

Pour mud on me, but pls respect the flag. Its sacred. #Thanks

realmindz:
replying u is pointless....u are not only delusioned but zombied...u will continue to repeat the same thing over and over again, that's a zombie syndrome. I've told u wat to do to see between d lines, jst calm down and take a deep breath and it wud be clearer to u. It's so simple.

Am not disappointed. I know you will definitely resort to insults.

#GoodLuck #DescendantOfAnApe. #Lol

BeastAmbition:
Noah's story was actually adopted from the sumerians

Do you know Moses recorded that story abt 3000 yrs after it happened. Yes the story was preserved. This showed it actually happened. The natives kept passing the story from generation to generation over 3000 yrs. That period is too long to corrupt any story passed through oral tradition. The accuracy of Moses' story shows it was inspired.

Let even assumed Moses lifted the story from sumerian without Divine inspiration, it equally showed the flood actually happened. To support this Mosaic claim, recent geological underwater studies show a deluge of that magnitude happened, but current work to locate the ark is ongoing even and Ballard is making progress.

realmindz:
ok goodluck to u son of the Jews...


I like ur comment, it's rare to see so many false claims and ignorance in jst one post.

I've told u to take a deep breath, get water to drink and rethink. Mayb it wud make more sense to u, I've made my points...it's left for u to make a reflection...not compulsory u do, some1 else will read and apply the brain to think..



pls dnt forget to also think out another lie of how Noah's family had a black, an Indian, a Chinese, and a white...you knw we are all descendants of Noah the jew, jst as stated in ur village history

Why can't you be atleast a bit scientific in your argument? God knows I hate with passion such childish type of arguments.

Argument is built around a subject matter, and the arguing parties present material facts to argue with to prove their stance, then the argument revolves around each parties using facts independent of their "material fact" to invalidate the "material fact" the opponent used and validate theirs. The argument revolves around those material fact, until a new one is introduced.

My material fact is Preserved Jewish chronological records and Igbo record I came across in a library one day. I expected to you present yours, like Dawkins work or a yoruba or Egyptian mythology. Then use ur facts and logic to show superiority of ur material fact over mine while I do the same. Through logic steps we will get to our final destination. That is how to argue not based on ur emotion.

I have dealt with atheists who argues scientifically and it has always been fun dealing with them, whenever we will fail to hit consensus, we adjourned. You are disappointing, though miles ahead of hardmirror. Do you know what I found out about them, they are atheist not becos they believe beyond reasonable doubt that there is no supernatural being, they are becos they are afraid of (demands of) a supernatural being. They don't want one to exist.

All the points I raised, u have been unable to counter one with a material fact. present your Dawkins manual and your big bang rubbish let's get down to real business and stop being a coward.

I formally invite you and HardMirro to a scientific debate on creation and origin of life. Do you accept or not?. For creation am using my bible and for origin of life, I'll be using my bible as lead material, Jewish chronological records and Igbo records.

If God didn't create the Universe who did and if Life didn't start from Adam where did it started from? These are 2 questions I expect you to answer with your material fact (a verifiable material).

realmindz:
I'm rly worn out arguing wit u as u have refused to get the simple points and beginning to even contradict ursef strengthening my arguments.

now u can easily say yourba don't ve a valid evidence to obatala, hw much more to Adam and eve who they never heard of nor mentioned in history...?

Wat of Egyptian mythology which holds one of the oldest civilisation having no trace to Noah or garden of eden?

Jst get the idea and don't argue to win but learn


my purpose is not to upset anyone here on NL but to help my African brothers wake up from delusions and lies of religion....

Our fathers, the children of our forefathers sold us to the white man's lies, and our generation was indoctrinated to same lies and inferiority...


now we call our ancestors evil, and claim proudly that our ancestors were jews from garden of eden.

You have nothing to prove to me and I have nothing to prove to you.

What about the Ikwerres that claimed they have no root with the Igbos, but does that claim wash historical evidences? No. Just like the Ikwerres, the Egyptians can claim anything, its not my business and those claim can't wash historical evidence. The Egyptians do not have any verifiable evidence of their ancestry, so those claim is NEVER SCIENTIFIC. If I wake up 2mao and start claiming am not from Akwa Ibom and then sell those lie to my children, grand children and that lie passed even to my 10 generations. So does it mean I didn't descend from Aks again. No. Those claim is not SCIENTIFIC.

Since preserved chronological records showed that the Jews descended from Eden and the Igbos record supports that claim, then all life descended from Eden, until their is a verifiable evidence that started otherwise. Their claim is SCIENTIFIC. Thank God for the Jews who preserved those records and also the scripture.

From the time of Adam settlement to Egyptian civilisation is about 4000 yrs. 4000 yrs is too mch for any body who doesn't keep record of his ancestory to forget.

realmindz:
Yes yes..
so how does that prove that the bible creation story supports the scientific age of the earth to be billions of years old.

Read the Bible as the stars were made on the 4th day, clearly was it stated there that the stars were MADE. (stars are billions of years old)

sorry bro, the bible did not align with the scientific evidence of the earth's age

How does it further prove that all races came from Noah's family?

You jst have to realise that something is wrong with the bible tales...

Bible and scientific age of the earth are never in conflict. In Gen. 1.2, God only recreated a badly damaged earth. The earth is only mini dot in a vast universe. The earth God recreated is only abt 10k.

God only recreated an earth already in existence, a physical mass of matter, but dark, covered with water and shapeless. Genesis didn't not made mention of God creating the earth from nothing but did that when He created the cosmos, but the Bible didn't record that. So I don't know if He did that from a big bang explosion or not.

I'll refer you to my previous mentions.

realmindz:
I dnt knw about Eri being the progenitor of the Igbo race. When I'm less busy I'll read about dat.
I pointed out the case of the flat earth to make u realise that the majority may not always be right.

Do u knw ur bible talk of falling stars..tell me, can stars fall? one star might be 10 times bigger than our sun or even more, there are billions upon billions of them. so u sud believe that part of the bible too.

Do u believe Obatala created the Yorubas? they traced their origin to the orisha obatala the creator of humanity...?

Get me the portion of the Bible that said so, let's analyse together. I believe u are quoting out of context. Don't bring Revelation here cos the part of the Bible is a prophecy and not in literal meaning.

Do the Yorubas have verifiable records to that effect. A record that will trace their ancestory to Obatala's first creation. Guess not. Jews has theirs and it was archived and opened to the public for reference.

HardMirror:
Same bible where jesus promised to return before that generation died out. He told his disciples that as the saw him ascend into heaven so shall they see him return. He said many of them shall be alive when they shall withness his second coming. Abeg shey hold up hold jesus for road all these years ni?

Let me educate you again. Lk 21:5-36
Jesus was entering into Jerusalem and His disciples were admiring the beauty of the table (v. 5) and Jesus told them in v.6 that a day will come when the temple will be destroyed, in quote "as for this things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down" (KJV). In v.7, the disciples asked for sign when those things will be. Instead of Jesus going straight to tell them when the prophesy will be fulfilled, He took a detour and but instead in v. 8, He told them the sign of the end of the world, instead of Jerusalem and even prophesied about the eminent persecution of his disciples in v. 12-20 as part of the sign of the endtime.

Now in v. 20, He started answering the question about destruction of the temple. In v.24 He prophesied that they will fall by the edge of the sword and the temple will be trodden upon by the Gentiles (Romans), until the times of the gentiles be fulfilled.

In v,25 He continued with the sign of the end time, and in v. 27 He prophesied about His coming. In v. 31, He told them that when they see those things come to pass, they should know that the Kingdom of God is near.

In v. 32, He went back to His prophesy of Jerusalem and told them, their generation will not pass till all be fulfilled.

Exactly 27yrs later, in 70AD, the temple was destroyed, trodden upon. Till the time of the gentile is up. The only those that was saved were those that heed the word of Jesus in v. 21. "Let those in Judea flee to the mountains, and those in the city (Jereusalem) depart from it and those in surrounding countries not to enter into Jerusalem". To fulfil this particular prophesy, during the Jewish revolt, Roman retreated briefly and those in Jerusalem, mainly Christians fled the city and when Roman returned with her legions, hell was let loose and those still within the city wall became casualties.

Jesus encrpts His messages, I don't know why. He is a wise man. He calculates His words. For instance, when prophesing abt His death, instead of saying that plainly, He said "destroy this temple (treason then) and in 3 days He will rebuild it". His disciples started understanding His messages when He ascended into Heaven.

realmindz:
of course u won't care to know, such is the way of your black ancestors no wonder we are the most advanced race.

u said you don't knw hw long adam stayed in the garden probably millions of years.. no wonder adam was the oldest man recorded in the bible, he was 30 million years old wen he died..

Nobody knows how many yrs Adam was in Eden cos the Bible didn't record it.

realmindz:
The whole world once believed the earth was flat and a man who said otherwise was sentenced to death.

Believe me, I'm astonished we live in a world whr majority does not translate to being right...

Mr. dig into ur senses and ask sincerely if it were ever possible adam and eve populated the whole world? pls jst drink water, calm down and think about it for jst a minute...pls I beg u

Yeah. Not becos the Bible said so, because preserved records support that assertion.

Even the flood we are arguing over, preserved Mesopotamia pre-mosaic record supports that. Current underwater geological studies as well supports that.

Do you believe, Eri is the progenitor of Igbo race?

The same Bible u told me not to believe prophesied through Jesus that the temple will be destroyed and abt 27 yrs later, the temple was destroyed and Jerusalem.

dazzlingd:
No now, how is this even possible? This does not add up. It's not about environmental factors but hereditary and genes. you would have sounded more reasonable if you had said mutation but even mutation is not enough to cause such disparity in races and can never be in a span of 10 thousand years not even 100 thousand years.

I've met christians that claim that God created several Adams, that adam and eve was not literal.

Then they said the flood was not global and many other people survived explaining the reason why we still have many races today and not just a particular family surviving the flood.

These are the most reasonable explanations, trying hard to defend this will only make you appear low in thinking (apologies though )

We must understand the purpose of God causing that confusion at babel was to disperse the human race. His intension was to spread the human race over the wide world. How He was able to come up with different races from that dispersion is wht am only trying to prove and those submissions are purely mine. I didn't intend to use such submission to prove life started from Eden, cos my Bible said it did and both Jewish temple records and Igbo records supported that, and I believe those 2 records. Am from Akwa Ibom, Etim Ekpo precisely, and I believe just we descended from Eden, though am yet to see verifiable records to that effect.

Realmindz, am still waiting for you to point out the jargon. What I said is purely my idea borne out of personal research, using my Bible as a standard.

The Holy Book said life started from Eden. The Jews chronological records shows that. Each Jewish family maintains a record which are archived at the Temple's Archive and opened to the public. Matthew consulted the archive when he traced the lineage of Jesus, Mark and Luke did the same nd there was no contradiction in their records even those men wrote from different location and at different points in time.

Jews maintain a record of their ancestry and the record traces them from Eden.

An average Igboman traced his origin to Eri, who happens to be a Son of Gad of Jacob and Jacob (Isreal) traced his origin to Eden according to Jewish temple records. Invariably, Igbos descended from Eden. If over 40 million people believe they descended from Eden, who are you 1/40000000 to tell them otherwise.

realmindz:
wat sort of nonsense is this, u are talking jargons...
winner01 KingEbukasBlog flamingREED come see una brother oo..aren't u guys dissapointed...

Pls point out the jargon. Is that 10k is too small for that process to occur, or environmental and climatic condition over 1000 yrs on a migratory route and another over 1000 on a permanent abode can't trigger that process?

realmindz:
Bro, no amount of environmental factor can ever make a white become black or a black become Chinese.....That is impossible and if possible can never occur in a period of 10k years. Mr, if that happens, then it is practically evolution at the speed of light.


Can u even listen to ursef...


Blacks will always give birth to blacks and same for other races..
let a chinese be born in nigeria, let him eat nigerian foods and do everytin nigerian, he will remain Chinese..let a black be born in Russia, he will remain black.

I don't believe 10k yrs was too small for the will of God to perfectly take place.

The first time I went to Bayelsa state here in Nigeria, after less than a month of staying there, I lost my skin color. Don't foeget Abia and Bayelsa shares the same climatic condition and near similar environmental conditions.
Now ïmagine if I was the first person to ever inhabit Bayelsa, migrating from Asia for over 1000 yrs and living in Bayelsa for another 1000 yrs. Do you still think I'll remain an Asian?

Don't forget, each group that migrated from Babel left with a distinct language. What this means is new culture, new religion and new ways of doing things.

All life descended from Eden, but evolution played a role is shaping us the way we are now, but Oluwa supervised that process.

realmindz:
Let me help you make the story more sensible...

Noah's family comprised of a black, an Indian, a jew, Arab, Chinese....
from them the whole world was re-populated to billions of people.

Everyone dispersed and suddenly could not remember a great apocalypse such as the world flood which only their unique family were saved...
worst of all, they could not even remember that Noah was their ancestor but the Jews helped them remember.

Suddenly they forgot Yaweh and had several gods they worshipped thousand of years back...

The actually dispersion (migration) started in Babel, many yrs after the resting of Noah's ark on Ararat. Environmental and climatic conditions over thousands of yrs played a role in shaping human race as it is today. Those that migrated to Asia became Asians where further migration took place. Those that went Europe became Europeans and those that went to Aftrica became Africa. The whole process was supervised by Oluwa cos that was His Divine will.

It is traditional for Jews to maintain their chronology, which they properly archived. This fact is verifiable. I don't expect others to remember theirs after that long period cos they don't have such archive tracing as far back to the origin as possible, the same way I don't expect you to tell me the name of your OWN ancestor in the year 100 AD, cos you don't av such records but the Jews have theirs.

The story of the great flood was a common knowledge in Ancient Mesopotamia thousands of years before the birth of Moses. It was a common knowledge then, though some believed it to be a folklore. This is verifiable, research on it and current archaeological evidences are supporting that this flood might av actually happened. Research on this also.

The Mesopotamia preserved this story mainly as a folklore, but I guess your community doesn't even have a record of their migratory history that is verifiable. Do they have? I guess not, cos they are humans, the same ways our first ancestors were. So if u are expecting perfection from them, that is pure hypocrisy.

Adam and Eve forsook Yahew, so I don't expect their descendants to do otherwise. This actually why Jesus came. To redeem man finally.

HardMirror:
He doubled the age of the bible claim thinking it solves anything. Wonder why people lie to protect god.

I wonder the source you got that pathetic lie from. From the settling outside of Eden to the Egyptian civilisation is abt 4000 yrs, from that point to the Messiah is about 4000 yrs, from the Saviour to the present is about 2000 yrs, all together we av abt 10000yrs. This is common ground among all Bible scholars. We don't know how many yrs Adam was in Eden before Eve was created, we don't know how many years both of them were together in Eden before their expulsion. Bible didn't record that, it might be 000 of yrs, it might be even million. Nobody knowns and I don't care to know.

realmindz:
God created the firmaments and stars on the fourth day...(stars are billions of years old)
God created the animals on fifth day (with animal fossils several millions of years old)
Even man is believed to have been over 200k years old as against the 12k years u pointed out there...

If we all came from Adam and Eve, and man's first home was the garden of eden...why can't all races and cultures give that account of their first home and parents....Suddenly, we needed the help of the Jews to remember our ancestors..


How can you tell me of Noah's family comprising of a black, a Chinese, an Indian, a white and all races of the world...?

Like I said before those things were a recreation. The universe was created billions of years ago and all elements in it, maybe through a big bang explosion, I don't know, but what I know even if was so, the elements it started from were carefully placed by God and He monitored the whole process. Only earth was amended (recreated) not the entire universe cos only it was destroyed (void, shapeless, dark and covered with waters).

As for man being more than 200k yrs and evolving that is a hog wash, a hoax, there is no scientific evidence beyond reasonable doubts to support that. Man was created not evolution. Again we don't know how many years Adam was in Eden before Eve was created and how many years both them were before their expulsion. It might be thousands of yrs or even millions. I don't know and I don't care to know. Nobody knows cos the Bible didn't record it. Bible record started after the expulsion.

Man originated from Eden, but after the confusion at Eden, human started dispersing, migrating to other parts of the world. Don't forget the purpose of God causing that disparity in language was to effect that migration. As people migrated, difference in climate and environment started having their respective toll on the migrating people. Some lost and gain features for adaption. While all these happen, Oluwa was in Heaven monitoring the whole process. Ancient Jewish scrolls maintain records of their lineage, some of the records tracing the lineage from Adam. The records were in public archive and open to the public. Research that. Matthew, Luke, Mark referenced the scroll when tracing the chronology of Jesus. Don't forget the three men wrote their book from 3 different places and time, yet no contradiction. The Bible is a mere collection of different books written by diffrent men over a period of 000 yrs and from diffrent locations. It was recent the books where collected together to portabliliy sake.

My Bible says "It is the pleasure of God to hide things and the glory of the kings to discover it". God intentionally hid certain information and expects us to seek. He loves us to seek and pleasure when we make breakthroughs.

hotspec:
Did u say 90 and ure not half way with ds encyclopedia. If u believe in GOD, u will know about summary. As huge and big d whole universe is, just 6 days he needed to create it

That is why He is a God

realmindz:
How will any reasonable person ever doubt the bible creation story, that's absurd.

Wen the universe was created in 6 days and earth is abt 6000 years old , even though it is scientifically proven that the earth is several billions of years old, it's jst God testing our faith.


or who shall doubt that Adam and Eve populated the whole world.


The appearance of different races is jst one of God wonders. who does not know that our ancestors were once whites and got burnt by African sun to be black, then they ate too much pounded yam to have thick lips and broad nose.


No no, the bible creation story is just perfect and we should never ever question anything about it but believe with absolute faith....or do u want to perish in hell?

You are not wise. Read the Bible again. Point of correction, from creation to now is abt 12000 yrs.

The earth can be 13 billion years old, I don't care. The truth is, the earth was in existence even b4 creation and the bible doesn't doubt that. Gen 1. Says in the beginning God created heaven and earth. This beginning mentioned here wasn't the 12000 yrs ago, but billions of yrs ago equaling the time God began to exist. That earth became shapeless, meaning it once had shape, covered with darkness, meaning it once had light nd water covers the deep, meaning there had been a creation prior to the new creation. So 12000 ago the spirit of God starts moving upon the water before the creation, wht do you think He was doing? Surveying the damage that had been done to the shapeless earth. God said let there be light and there was light. Comparing the creation process from Day 1-5 and the 6th day He made man will show u a remarkable difference. It shows day1-5 were just a mere recreation meaning they once existed unlike the 6th day actual creation took place.

If you are thinking abt what destroyed the earth, Revelation told us there was once a war in Heaven and the Angels of God battled Satan nd his angels and cast them down to the earth. A part of that Revelation recorded they took down the sun and some celestial bodies and God said "Woe to the earth for the satan av come down to dwell thereon".

Satan was on earth many years before Adam and has the power to transform into earthly elements.

The earth is billions of years, but creation is abt 12000 yrs.