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princfred:
Provide the evidence lie.

Go to the inec website and see the figures for the election,igbos always vote that way

Teewhy2:
This is what a true leader does, it is not about individual but about system.

It is not always okay to choose a banker has cbn governor.

[quote author=freeze001 post=76377591]Are you getting frustrated? Why do you ask me what is wrong with you? State creation is not and should not be about landmass. There are indigenous Igbos scattered in states outside the SE. It is simply a function of recreating boundaries but of course madness in Nigeria prefers the status quo. Restructure/go back to regions, no. Disintegrate, no. Stop being parochial and stupid, no! When will the madness end?
Yorubas want regions nit state creation ,we don't want the same things

freeze001:
Don't you get me? I have acknowledged that there is more to the resources in Lagos that crude oil funds. However, those other sources of funds are not magic or manna from above. It is the combined effort from human resources available in the state across all divides. The point is all people are important regardless of tribe or creed. Every little drop counts so they must have a say in the leaders of Lagos during elections, simple! That is the crux and genesis of all our exchanges.

Now ask yourself: Are you seeing the and feeling the real impact of these figures you are reeling out in the development level/status of Lagos as at today? Is there no room for improvement? Can someone else with fresh ideas not do better?

Those countries are far ahead of us but we try to compare ourselves to the west.have seen the healthcare system in Lagos,I have seen the transport ion system,I have seen housing and environment infastructure,have seen roads,bridges,walkways,over head briges,tourism,commerce,industry.we only need to continue to do the right time continuously and things increase

freeze001:
Don't you get me? I have acknowledged that there is more to the resources in Lagos that crude oil funds. However, those other sources of funds are not magic or manna from above. It is the combined effort from human resources available in the state across all divides. The point is all people are important regardless of tribe or creed. Every little drop counts so they must have a say in the leaders of Lagos during elections, simple! That is the crux and genesis of all our exchanges.

Now ask yourself: Are you seeing the and feeling the real impact of these figures you are reeling out in the development level/status of Lagos as at today? Is there no room for improvement? Can someone else with fresh ideas not do better?

In a developing country your expectations should tally with other emerging markets economies like India,Brazil, Indonesia,malaysia and not Europe with the most developed countries.

freeze001:
Don't you get me? I have acknowledged that there is more to the resources in Lagos that crude oil funds. However, those other sources of funds are not magic or manna from above. It is the combined effort from human resources available in the state across all divides. The point is all people are important regardless of tribe or creed. Every little drop counts so they must have a say in the leaders of Lagos during elections, simple! That is the crux and genesis of all our exchanges.

Now ask yourself: Are you seeing the and feeling the real impact of these figures you are reeling out in the development level/status of Lagos as at today? Is there no room for improvement? Can someone else with fresh ideas not do better?

Which society have seen without opposition?with all what Putin his doing in Russia ,he still has people against him.pdp in Lagos have been broke for many years.they will finish everything,forget those big big English,they can't do better than they have done.they could not show any example at the federal level.

freeze001:
Don't you get me? I have acknowledged that there is more to the resources in Lagos that crude oil funds. However, those other sources of funds are not magic or manna from above. It is the combined effort from human resources available in the state across all divides. The point is all people are important regardless of tribe or creed. Every little drop counts so they must have a say in the leaders of Lagos during elections, simple! That is the crux and genesis of all our exchanges.

Now ask yourself: Are you seeing the and feeling the real impact of these figures you are reeling out in the development level/status of Lagos as at today? Is there no room for improvement? Can someone else with fresh ideas not do better?

Without stability, progression is difficult,so the progressives need to get to power to continue and reach the set goals and objectives.

freeze001:
That is exactly what the Igbos advocate too. That is why we ought to be our best allies but for some reason, tribalism and ethnic bigotry will not give way! Calm down, go and read up publications and press releases on the position of the Igbo and old Eastern region generally; Lower Niger Congress is a good place to start. Osinbajo clearly stated that restructuring is not necessary and he is the highest placed Yoruba man now. Where does that put your claims?

Igbos don't want restructuring,it is so easy if you want it, ohananze is highest arm of you igbos and they stated clearly their demands,it on YouTube,and published in written form on the internet.You give or hand over power to osinbajo,fashola,tinubu and see what they will do ,osinbajo statement is called "political statements".you will be stupid to have a position of that type issue at that level.Let luck shine on him and see if you don't go back to the 63 constitution.

freeze001:
Like I said, let that oil money be withheld for a month or more...

Lagos oil money was withheld for 10months in the past.write something else,,obj held on too the money for 10months or more .but they made more income and increased the revenue.developed infastructure and increased income.

freeze001:
Still boils down to the human resources I wrote about which you cannot disregard whether Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa, Tiv, Ibibio, Kalabari or non-Nigerians.

Oil is now contributing less in the west ,so remove that your primitive thinking.lagos generates 40billion monthly.oil accounts for 10% if an correct.

freeze001:
Igbos want more state creation: Yes, in the absence of regional restructuring. It will bring equity and cure the disadvantage of having 5 while others have 6 and even the N/W has 7.

Igbos want 6 Vice Presidents: That is if another from of regional restructuring is achieved by recognising the the six geopolitical zones constitutionally and power/funds are devolved from the centre to the zones or better still, the bottle feeding system of resource allocation from ND to FG to states is scrapped. Then there can be a president and 6 vices from each region.

Igbos want LGAs scrapped? I won't even talk on this but read this: http://thenigerianexpression.com/2018/01/26/scrap-local-govt-apc-recommends/
Na Igbo be APC wey recommend this one?
https://www.tribuneonlineng.com/103071/ https://www.sunnewsonline.com/scrap-local-govt-system-analyst-urges-fg/
Akinkunmi na Igbo man too?

Igbos want state of residence rights: Sane Nigerians also want same but fear of 'losing' ethnic advantages overshadows this. Residence rather than origin will better unify and create a real nation if we are so inclined. Unfortunately that is not the case so it is moot and that is why Igbos will rather have regional systems or outright separation.

Nobody takes you people serious anymore,yourbas want regionalism,fiscal federalism, competition?3 or 4 countries called Nigeria,like Scotland,Wales,northern Ireland ,london

freeze001:
Granted, Lagos is not wholly dependent on crude oil earnings but it still needs and takes its jumbo share. Now how does Lagos make money by itself? Just because it is Lagos or through the human/commercial resources available in the state? Can you discount the humans (indigenes and non-indigenes alike) and business ventures/investments that pay taxes? Is it possible to disregard international investors who are also non-Nigerian citizens? If you think Lagos and any state as presently constituted in this system of government can survive without 'federal allocation', let that allocation be withheld for a month or more then tell me what would happen.

Educational tax ?technology tax

freeze001:
Granted, Lagos is not wholly dependent on crude oil earnings but it still takes its jumbo share. Now how does Lagos make money by itself? Just because it is Lagos or through the human/commercial resources available in the state? Can you discount the humans (indigenes and non-indigenes alike) and business ventures/investments that pay taxes? Is it possible to disregard international investors who are also non-Nigerian citizens? If you think Lagos and any state as presently constituted in this system of government can survive without 'federal allocation', let that allocation be withheld for a month or more then tell me what would happen.

Are you joking or writing just to get heard?firstly when you land in Lagos you pay coporate taxes,Lagos contributes 40% to the national purse.how much more ogun state with the largest number of industries 20%,,oil money is not a major factor in Lagos ,maybe in ekiti,osun.not lagos

freeze001:
Igbos want more state creation: Yes, in the absence of regional restructuring. It will bring equity and cure the disadvantage of having 5 while others have 6 and even the N/W has 7.

Igbos want 6 Vice Presidents: That is if another from of regional restructuring is achieved by recognising the the six geopolitical zones constitutionally and power/funds are devolved from the centre to the zones or better still, the bottle feeding system of resource allocation from ND to FG to states is scrapped. Then there can be a president and 6 vices from each region.

Igbos want LGAs scrapped? I won't even talk on this but read this: http://thenigerianexpression.com/2018/01/26/scrap-local-govt-apc-recommends/
Na Igbo be APC wey recommend this one?
https://www.tribuneonlineng.com/103071/ https://www.sunnewsonline.com/scrap-local-govt-system-analyst-urges-fg/
Akinkunmi na Igbo man too?

Igbos want state of residence rights: Sane Nigerians also want same but fear of 'losing' ethnic advantages overshadows this. Residence rather than origin will better unify and create a real nation if we are so inclined. Unfortunately that is not the case so it is moot and that is why Igbos will rather have regional systems or outright separation.

Did you read all you wrote and think about them?Oyo state is just one state in western Nigeria and it bigger than all the igbo states added together and yet they have one governor ?and you don't know state creation is expensive and wastage and continuation of the same thing all over again?what is equity with small land size and small population compared to the north?you people are not ready for development.in Ghana it is regions,kenya ,same, South Africa same,United kingdom same,United Arab Emirates same.what is wrong with you?

freeze001:
This statement shows your pre-occupation with crude oil and nothing more.

? Lagos make money by itself

freeze001:
This is you making up rules as you go along. Lagos is not a country in Nigeria but a state with her indigenes. We are all citizens of Nigeria with a right to register and vote/be voted for in any part of the country. As there are Lagosians supporting APC, so are there Lagosians supporting PDP. Every resident/indigene of Lagos eligible to vote will follow their choice and vote accordingly, simple! Your bias would have made more sense if Igbos had formed a political party and fielded a guber candidate in Lagos. That is not the case here and there is freedom of association.

Igbos hate the unitary system and have always been in the forefront for regional governance or outright separation. Until that happens, it is what it is.

Igbos want more state creation?igbos want 6 vice presidents,igbo what local government scrapped,igbos want state of residential rights,igbos do not want restructuring ,but another experiment with people's life just like this unitary .we all suffered it for more than 50 years now.

freeze001:
This is you making up rules as you go along. Lagos is not a country in Nigeria but a state with her indigenes. We are all citizens of Nigeria with a right to register and vote/be voted for in any part of the country. As there are Lagosians supporting APC, so are there Lagosians supporting PDP. Every resident/indigene of Lagos eligible to vote will follow their choice and vote accordingly, simple! Your bias would have made more sense if Igbos had formed a political party and fielded a guber candidate in Lagos. That is not the case here and there is freedom of association.

Igbos hate the unitary system and have always been in the forefront for regional governance or outright separation. Until that happens, it is what it is.

In the present day Nigeria your contribution to the center is below 5%.hence you contribute nothing to Nigeria at the center .unless you want to claim nigerdelta.but only igbo state added together contribute less .

freeze001:
This is you making up rules as you go along. Lagos is not a country in Nigeria but a state with her indigenes. We are all citizens of Nigeria with a right to register and vote/be voted for in any part of the country. As there are Lagosians supporting APC, so are there Lagosians supporting PDP. Every resident/indigene of Lagos eligible to vote will follow their choice and vote accordingly, simple! Your bias would have made more sense if Igbos had formed a political party and fielded a guber candidate in Lagos. That is not the case here and there is freedom of association.

Igbos hate the unitary system and have always been in the forefront for regional governance or outright separation. Until that happens, it is what it is.

Igbos and hausas and fulanis benefit more from the unitary system.if you doubt ,I will post what the ohananze desire and you will see that you all like the system and you want it to continue

freeze001:
Yorubas have the majority number, the elite according to you are the thinkers while ordinary residents/indigenes are just there to mark present, they do not count beyond votes that is why u feel they cannot think. So let the unthinking majority follow the elite in their large numbers while the fewer independent minded ones exercise their franchise to vote as they will in peace. Is that too much to ask and do?


And what happened? He was drowned out by your numbers wasn't he? That is what it should be rather that getting overly sensitive and whipping up violent sentiments. How many votes did he get from even the Igbo residents as you claimed in your earlier post that Igbos vote only along ethnic lines and not ideology?

That was just one ,Tony nwulu won oshodi/isolo,made hell of money from the house of Representatives,today he is contesting in Imo state has a governor,that 14million monthly for 4 years would have benefitted a Yoruba man and his family and dependents and society,and many households.

freeze001:
This is you making up rules as you go along. Lagos is not a country in Nigeria but a state with her indigenes. We are all citizens of Nigeria with a right to register and vote/be voted for in any part of the country. As there are Lagosians supporting APC, so are there Lagosians supporting PDP. Every resident/indigene of Lagos eligible to vote will follow their choice and vote accordingly, simple! Your bias would have made more sense if Igbos had formed a political party and fielded a guber candidate in Lagos. That is not the case here and there is freedom of association.

Igbos hate the unitary system and have always been in the forefront for regional governance or outright separation. Until that happens, it is what it is.

Elites decide for a community,the elites are the thinkers,the rich,the educated,and people with influence,they know what is right for the future,for the next 50years.so the Lagos elites want APC to continue in the same direction

freeze001:
This is you making up rules as you go along. Lagos is not a country in Nigeria but a state with her indigenes. We are all citizens of Nigeria with a right to register and vote/be voted for in any part of the country. As there are Lagosians supporting APC, so are there Lagosians supporting PDP. Every resident/indigene of Lagos eligible to vote will follow their choice and vote accordingly, simple! Your bias would have made more sense if Igbos had formed a political party and fielded a guber candidate in Lagos. That is not the case here and there is freedom of association.

Igbos hate the unitary system and have always been in the forefront for regional governance or outright separation. Until that happens, it is what it is.

So you have forgotten so easily ,that Apga fielded a candidate in Lagos?he could not speak the local dailect ,yet he was talking poo on TV and making fun of himself and increas ing the mileage of sum total of what igbos have done in Lagos.

freeze001:
This is you making up rules as you go along. Lagos is not a country in Nigeria but a state with her indigenes. We are all citizens of Nigeria with a right Ito register and vote/be voted for in any part of the country. As there are Lagosians supporting APC, so are there Lagosians supporting PDP. Every resident/indigene of Lagos eligible to vote will follow their choice and vote accordingly, simple! Your bias would have made more sense if Igbos had formed a political party and fielded a guber candidate in Lagos. That is not the case here and there is freedom of association.

Igbos hate the unitary system and have always been in the forefront for regional governance or outright separation. Until that happens, it is what it is.

You can vote and be voted for ,but in practice,it's only Lagos that has really allowed that to happen,Lagos appointmented an igbo commissioner and has lots of igbos in it's civil service and agencies.i have not heard of the same in any part of the east.

freeze001:
So basically Nigerian citizens cannot exercise an independent right to vote their choices of candidates who are also indigenes of a particular state? And somehow this makes a lot of sense to you? You cannot tell Hausas because you are afraid of them however, your intent to dictate to Igbos will not work. You have the majority, use your numbers and don't be greedy!

Firstly,you are not a citizen of Lagos but resident in Lagos,the unitary system you igbos introduced has given an advantage to claim peooles land.your rights are limited, democracy is not universal in practice and this is it.you must align with the desires and the aspirations if the people of Lagos.

freeze001:
So basically Nigerian citizens cannot exercise an independent right to vote their choices of candidates who are also indigenes of a particular state? And somehow this makes a lot of sense to you? You cannot tell Hausas because you are afraid of them however, your intent to dictate to Igbos will not work. You have the majority, use your numbers and don't be greedy!

Well ,you don't understand what I have tried to explain you can has well continue with your ways in Lagos and get the results soon.No lagosian comes to your place during election to vote.

freeze001:
The strong opposition areas you have mentioned are 3 out of the 20 LGAs. The constitutional requirement for winning apart from a simple majority is to score at least 25% in 2/3 of the LGAs. The Yoruba and APC areas are clearly in the majority and have the numbers to achieve the constitutional requirements for an electoral victory so I ask again, why the isolation and harassment of Igbos living in Lagos? Besides what is wrong with bulk voting? Do others like the Hausas and your people not do the same? Is that a reason to single out a tribe and attack them? You know, your assertion now smacks of the word-of-mouth bias you accuse others of.

What is wrong in going back to develop your own space?Or mind your business ,we have hausas in Lagos, nobody is doing such or telling them anything.you have accept what your host wants ,you cannot have your own agenda here.

freeze001:
I do believe it is more common sense to be able to think for oneself and take decisions or vote based on self-conviction. It is also common sense that no one should intimidate, coerce or blackmail anyone into doing otherwise. As I always ask, does it mean the other candidates who are also Yoruba do not have any support among fellow yorubas and it is only Igbos that support all but APC specifically PDP? Why is no one attacking them for their choice if it is about supporting the aspirations of the Oba and local politicians? I see no effort to even distinguish between Igbos that support APC and those that do not because it is impossible, more so when you only see and engage in stereotypes.

If this war of attrition against a tribe is carried on the way some of you advocate, is it still about political choice or just basic tribal/ethnic bigotry and hatred? Democracy may not be perfect but it is our job to make it as near perfect as possible.

In some climes ,your life expectancy will be reduced through food or direct injection at the hospitals,or water supply.

freeze001:
I do believe it is more common sense to be able to think for oneself and take decisions or vote based on self-conviction. It is also common sense that no one should intimidate, coerce or blackmail anyone into doing otherwise. As I always ask, does it mean the other candidates who are also Yoruba do not have any support among fellow yorubas and it is only Igbos that support all but APC specifically PDP? Why is no one attacking them for their choice if it is about supporting the aspirations of the Oba and local politicians? I see no effort to even distinguish between Igbos that support APC and those that do not because it is impossible, more so when you only see and engage in stereotypes.

If this war of attrition against a tribe is carried on the way some of you advocate, is it still about political choice or just basic tribal/ethnic bigotry and hatred? Democracy may not be perfect but it is our job to make it as near perfect as possible.

In an organized society with social security numbers,igbos will not be allowed to stay together in one area ,if that is done ,it will not be a problem again.once the business areas are demolished and use for the original purposes,such has hospitals and motor parks and housing estates,these living together in a particular location will reduce.

freeze001:
I do believe it is more common sense to be able to think for oneself and take decisions or vote based on self-conviction. It is also common sense that no one should intimidate, coerce or blackmail anyone into doing otherwise. As I always ask, does it mean the other candidates who are also Yoruba do not have any support among fellow yorubas and it is only Igbos that support all but APC specifically PDP? Why is no one attacking them for their choice if it is about supporting the aspirations of the Oba and local politicians? I see no effort to even distinguish between Igbos that support APC and those that do not because it is impossible, more so when you only see and engage in stereotypes.

If this war of attrition against a tribe is carried on the way some of you advocate, is it still about political choice or just basic tribal/ethnic bigotry and hatred? Democracy may not be perfect but it is our job to make it as near perfect as possible.

These people increased the revenue of Lagos State ,to 40b monthly and took development to the door steps of people.every lagosians has felt the state government in different ways.if they disagree at least they must has entered or use brt bus services.they created industrial areas.lekki free trade zone,have you been there?lekki airports ,lekki sea port,dangot refineries,dangote fertilizer plants.so you think they should not see them through .

freeze001:
I do believe it is more common sense to be able to think for oneself and take decisions or vote based on self-conviction. It is also common sense that no one should intimidate, coerce or blackmail anyone into doing otherwise. As I always ask, does it mean the other candidates who are also Yoruba do not have any support among fellow yorubas and it is only Igbos that support all but APC specifically PDP? Why is no one attacking them for their choice if it is about supporting the aspirations of the Oba and local politicians? I see no effort to even distinguish between Igbos that support APC and those that do not because it is impossible, more so when you only see and engage in stereotypes.

If this war of attrition against a tribe is carried on the way some of you advocate, is it still about political choice or just basic tribal/ethnic bigotry and hatred? Democracy may not be perfect but it is our job to make it as near perfect as possible.

If democracy was actually practiced in the way you have described, countries like Singapore,Russia,turkey,Brazil, Indonesia will not be what they are today.you can't make choices that will damage a people and tribe and their future.

freeze001:
I do believe it is more common sense to be able to think for oneself and take decisions or vote based on self-conviction. It is also common sense that no one should intimidate, coerce or blackmail anyone into doing otherwise. As I always ask, does it mean the other candidates who are also Yoruba do not have any support among fellow yorubas and it is only Igbos that support all but APC specifically PDP? Why is no one attacking them for their choice if it is about supporting the aspirations of the Oba and local politicians? I see no effort to even distinguish between Igbos that support APC and those that do not because it is impossible, more so when you only see and engage in stereotypes.

If this war of attrition against a tribe is carried on the way some of you advocate, is it still about political choice or just basic tribal/ethnic bigotry and hatred? Democracy may not be perfect but it is our job to make it as near perfect as possible.

The average indigenous lagosian is not a tribal bigot,you arguments seems to emphasize discrimination against the igbos.look at the arguments rationally.lagos has 20 local governments and lcdas bringing it to 57.from the 20local government areas,the politicans know the stronghold of the opposition,they include oshodi/isolo,ajeronmi ifelodun,,amuwo odofin etc.You need a % from the total number of of vote casted.the igbo population is these areas don't vote according to ideology of the pdp but based on ethnic bais and hearsay,word of the mouth and they give bulk votes to the pdp.tony nwulu contested and won in oshodi/isolo collecting all benefits 14million monthly for 4 years,with other incentives,today he his back in imo state contesting has a governor with money made and contacts made from the position.its common sense and no brainer to know the right thing to do.they benefit from everything, education,healthcare ,transport,tourism,employment,and when it is time to support the party and people ,you vote based on ethnic groupings.there are Yoruba oppositions,but we all know it is elites fighting over resource distrubution among themselves.

princfred:
That depends on the Yoruba man you ask. Or did they vote massively against OBJ to reflect that for you to conclude? How will that sink in in your leaking cerebellum?
And how about the other much important choice implications questions i asked you in that last post?

Igbos and hausa fulani voted for obj and yorubas voted olu falae