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Amberon1:
Please provide verses from the Bible showing that the Christian God told Bush and Hillary to do those things out just mentioned.

Just a few

Amberon1:
None killed up to Mohammed; and it's not a game of numbers. I was only correcting his falsehood that asserted that Islam doesn't preachel violence when everyone knows it very well does.

Lol, I laugh at your stupid response. Since David and moses killed the they both preached falsehood and their God is devilish alongside the Christianity

VULCAN:


If this was the norm, there would be no need to honour it!

We know how the christian God told Bush to destroy Iraq
We know how the christian God told Hilary Clinton and her cohorts to created al Qeada which turned to ISIS

strenghtt:
Now, I Will want u to go through that list one by one carefully and tell me how the organizations in the list qualified to be a RELIGIOUS TERRORIST ORGANIZATION like we have in Islam..e.g ISIS, BOKOHARAM u know d rest that fight with their religions ideology or believe? The organizations in that list do not fight or kill with any religions ideology in mind.

Now I will want you to tell how the list isn't A CHRISITAIN RELIGIOUS TERRORIST ORGANISATION.

strenghtt:
My friend, when you accept that there is a problem and you look into solving the problem this act does not make u stupid but WISE. Islam as of today has some problems that need to be fixed that does not make Christianity a saint. The reason why I see Christians wiser as of today is because they are open to correction regarding their religion in a non violent way. If something is wrong is wrong my friend.

peace

I attached some images regarding christian terrorists and organisations which means Christianity as of today has problems. Have you corrected it? Has it been fixed?


Below is another chart

strenghtt:
correct...It only records and shows the world that extermination of Christians by Muslims in the north is very real and they are monitoring things

Tthis morning news hit front page about houses razed down and people dying like chickens in Zamfara. It's a predominant Muslim state, perhaps it's the Christians that killed them.

https://www.nairaland.com/4686119/bandits-kill-3000-destroy-2000

jessejerry:
Help me point out a solution, I'm willing to listen.

The solutions are pretty simple

Education
Level of poverty
Adult literacy
Income per capita
Etc

Abroad religions should also be kicked out. Abroad gods are useless and powerless in Nigeria.

jessejerry:
Okay brother, the killings should continue. I see anything I say, you try to push blames. You can't be given an assignment on word problems and be bringing quantum into it because you want to justify why you can't profer a solution.

Like I said this isn't anything related to justification but rather a hypocrisy call out. You said Islam needs fixing but Christianity doesn't despite crimes being committed by members from same camps. You don't want to accept that? You believe that only Muslims have this problem and their religion should be fixed. Great logic!

bigfish3k:
they dont exist presently in christianity
international muslim terrorist organisations are: al shabad,boko haram, al queeda, hezbolla,islamic jihad,fulani herdsmen bandits, isis, isil, muslim brotherhood, hamas etc

pls name the christian ones

This list just shows you know absolutely nothing and debating with an empty vessel is total waste of time

bigfish3k:
christians are not committing terrorism, we dont have structured terrorist organisations with cells worldwide

What's the meaning of terrorism?

jessejerry:
Now we all know extremists are in the North, and Christians are not safe?
Who are those doing it? Is it the Christians disguising as Muslims and killing Christians? I want you to apply common sense.
This country needs a constitution that will work and favour everybody. The center can not hold.

Are traditionalist and Muslims safe in the East? Matter of fact, Christains are safer in the north than Muslims and traditionalists?

The eastern Christians can never and will never accommodate Muslims and traditionalists in the East like the way the North accomodated them but no Islam needs fixing and Christianity Is perfect. Perfect hypocrisy

jessejerry:
Oga we're talking about our Country Nigeria, you're bringing developed countries into the issue, these Countries have Working Courts and check to see if the perpetrators of law and order were not properly arraigned.

Fix the current problem instead of justifying it with other Christian acts? What's wrong with you

Oga the statement said Islam and not Islam in Nigeria. Secondly, why use the attitude of northern Muslims to judge Nigerian nuslims when there are western Muslims who aren't anything like them?

Can I use the same logic to judge Christians especially the crimes committed by Eastern Christians? No!


This is nothing related to justification but rather calling out the hypocrisy in lots of you.

jessejerry:
I never attacked Muhammad. Learn to read.
If actually these perpetrators claim to follow the teachings of Muhammad, what do you expect an ignorant Christian to think?
You need to fix your religion, in fact you need to teach people what it really is. Because it's getting on nerves. It's too much, I don't know who they are or what they are, but they use Islam as a shield, then what do you expect me to think?

Perhaps Christianity needs fixing too. NO!

jessejerry:
I never attacked Muhammad. Learn to read.
If actually these perpetrators claim to follow the teachings of Muhammad, what do you expect an ignorant Christian to think?
You need to fix your religion, in fact you need to teach people what it really is. Because it's getting on nerves. It's too much, I don't know who they are or what they are, but they use Islam as a shield, then what do you expect me to think?

Perhaps Christianity needs fixing too. NO!

jessejerry:
If the Mosque is the safest place for Christians? What kind of Country is this? Type with sense please.

It has always been like that in the north. Northern and Eastern Nigeria are filled with extremists

bigfish3k:
i dont expect them to be using 18th century happenings in this 20th century to be justifying JIHAD

christians have moved on from that. i get pissed whenever they point out adolf hitler, crusaders and others as a justification for any recent killings.
it doesnt make sense

You don't need to get pissed. Both camps still commits terrorism till date so what are you talking about?

jessejerry:
Are they not the same Dauda and Musa in the Quran? Shey you said every prophet is a Muslim. Then what are you typing

Why attack Muhammed and leave out those two?

bigfish3k:
we are tackling the current terrorist and u are reminding us of events of 18th centuries

dont u think that those reminders can activate potential terrorists

pls lets join hands and tackle the prevailing terrorists

Does that change the fact that presently terrorist still exist in both camps?

Jaqenhghar:
Interedtingly the muslims revere David amd Moses too so

Interestingly they are exonerated because they are important people to Christianity but attack Muhammed for doing what they did. Hypocrisy in a Christian

Jazzlinkz:
Ok. Let me just explain what the word "Christian" mean. It simply means "Being Christ-like" Any person or persons perpetrating act or actions that don't fall into this category is NOT a Christian.

Christ is jesus right? Who is jesus?

bigfish3k:
so waht are u implying.
the killings should continue abi, afterall we have a precedence

Simple English. Terrorists exist in both camps but no, Christians are saints and Christianity is the best religion ,afterall God Is a christian

Amberon1:
Hahahahah.... prophet Mohammed and his cousins beheaded over 700 Jews in a single day.

Can you count the number of people David, Moses beahdead in a day?

seunlayi:
You should try to understand why he moved away from calling them competitors. He prefers to use the word enemy because he believed what they did to him is more than a normal competition in a parallel business. They never wanted the egg to hatch in the first instance.......

Dont talk like an average brainwashed Nigerian. God, enemies usage in this article shows the typical mindset of the CEO and its audience. Would he have said this if it happened in a developed country ?

iukpe:
I hope the polygamy issue triggered the protest because I am thinking if he took good care of his priests and managed the Diocese very well if there would have been a protest.

The polygamy issue didn't trigger it. The guy simply didnt share enough money to top ranked individuals.

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Do not answer a fool according to his foolishness
 or you will be just like him......... Proverb 26: 4


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You brilliantly cherry pick OT but when it's quoted against you, your likes will shout it's OT. Hypocritical bunch of folks

Grace001:
Oga calm down... Most Christians on this thread are not in support of his statement,at least you read most of the post. No mind am, that Leke guy na mumu.

They aren't in support is one thing, the Muslims not attacking Christianity and everything about it is another thing.

The Christians would have attacked anything and everything that has to do with Islam is this came from a Muslim and a supposed son of an Imam regardless of the response from Muslims

What does that tell you about Nairaland Muslims and Christians?

Nobody is attacking Christianity or Jesus or Christians whatsoever, if this statement was from the son of an Imam or something, the christian bigots, hypocrites and full of hate would have unleashed their hate for Islam

Hehe. iFans will praise and name it revolutionary whilst Samsung fans will laugh at them because S pen has been doing the job for years.

demmisab85:
Am happy from all the bible verses you cited, you never mentioned any barbaric deeds by Jesus christ(who is the foundation of christainity) unlike Mohammed dirty and barbaric deeds. Mohammed himself aacknoledges Jesus christ but in a way to suits himself.
Talkin about which CONTECTUAL UNDERSTANDING of my earlier mentioned verses of your quran, and you forgot that mohammed was a warlord rather than claimed prophets, he fought battles, waged wars on innocent cities, took slaves, married peoples wives (Including his adopted son's), killed followers that are not loyal to him and the list continues.... it seems you forgot somethings about your Quran.
That the Quran has no narrative, No stories, Although many characters and events are 'borrowed' from the holy Bible, it's nothing like the Bible in literary style. The Quran is (allegedly) 100% revelations from Allah. It tells no story. It preaches. It's not even compiled in chronological order but, rather, longer suwar are arranged first, then shorter suwar (roughly speaking). How do you have a narrative without a coherent timeline? You must have read a version of the Quran I've never heard of before.
Much of the Quran needs to be cross-referenced with ahadith in order to understand its context and make sense of what you’re reading. I'll be dealing withCONTECTUAL UNDERSTANDING often-cited admonitions repeated frequently by apologists for Islam:

(Q2:190) Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.
These admonitions are invoked by apologists to support the claim that, despite abundant evidence to the contrary, Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance.

Sura 9 (At-Tawbah) was revealed a year after Muhammad had taken control of Mecca. It starts off as a declaration of disassociation from those pagan Meccans who had not complied with the surrender treaty. The beginning ayat of this sura are actually about announcing and justifying the establishment of the first Islamic state (in the Hijaz region of Arabia). It covers everything -- from the prior violation of treaties, to admonishing Muhammad's followers not to fear the approaching violent conflict. Sura 9 was read to the Meccans in public places to inform them that they had only a little time to get their affairs in order and seek safe shelter outside the Hijaz. If they choose to stay, they would have to convert to Islam or else be attacked and killed (or imprisoned).

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

In this ayah, a revelation from Allah is clearly planning future attacks to take place after the end of a 4-month truce ('the sacred months'). This is not counseling self-defense in any way, shape, or form. Period. It's giving specific orders to kill recalcitrant pagans ('idolaters') wherever they are found and to ambush, assault and imprison them. To summarize this in one sentence: “Make sure to convert or kill any recalcitrant pagans but, if they've truly converted (‘keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate[zakat]’), then leave them alone.”

Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land."

What can be said about that?!? It’s just plain barbaric.

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them."

This revelation comes after Muhammad moved to Medina and was gaining power. Is this a man of peace and tolerance or is this a man bent on forced conversions – despite previous revelations (in Mecca) that claim there should be no coercion in religion?

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna and religion should be only for Allah"

‘Fitna’ is disbelief. This is yet another ayah in which power has gone to Muhammad’s head and prior injunctions for self-defense and no coercion in religion go out the window.

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

This comes from one of the last suwar in the Quran. Does this sound like a representative of God to you? Waging war against Allah and His messenger is NOT actual violence and attacks (as in a real war), it’s 'making mischief in the land': disrespecting Allah, Islam, the Quran and/or Muhammad. To this day, such disrespect is all the warrant needed for violent retaliation. Charlie Hebdo, anybody?

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Muhammad is trying to get his followers on board with his plan to raid caravans for camels and booty. The ‘back story’ here is that Muhammad and his followers were impoverished because the possessions they left behind, in Mecca, when they moved to Medina, were confiscated by the Meccans. You can see that the men are, at least initially, reticent to risk their lives (caravans were accompanied by armed fighters, for protection from robbers). Indeed, their first few attempts to raid caravans failed, probably because of their reticence.

From all the verses i cited for you with their CONTEXTUAL UNDERSTNDING which is the basis of your arguements, it shows Mohammed was not at war at those times. he waged wars and to gain other peoples cites and have followers and extaly what the barbaric fulani herdsmen are doing and Boko Haram and ISIS. raising black flags all over the middles east and some parts of Africa and recruiting teenergers and grown up people. Where does these islamist terrorist sects drawn their believes from? They are even more knowledgeable in quaranic than common muslims clerics in the world. I dont have problems with Muslims, I Just dislike Islam Ideology which has gotten into extremist muslims head.
For your Information i was once a muslim but not anymore, am now in the light..Salam Brother.

It's funny when hypocrites and sentimental folks like you attack Muhammed but exonerate Moses, David, Solomon et al. It's funny when you attack Muhammed but exonerate Jesus who instructed the destruction of cities, protected rapist, paedophiles, those who practiced fraticide and incestation, gave him a city but ordered the deaths of people who didn't believe in him, proceed by telling slaves to always obey their masters yet he is the saint you guys worship. I spit in your lost souls.


I was once a christian and dropped that darkness for LIGHT. I'm damn glad I made that decision else I would have been an extremist, bigot, hypocrite, phedophile et al. Shalom brother

demmisab85:
Mr problem with your dullard brain is that you are out of defense, all your points are off track and very flimsy. You are a potential terrorist against human race. I just laugh, you keep comparing America with Christianity. Can you see how dull you are ?
If you take America as a Christian country, then what would you say of muslims keep coming to the US and build mosque for worship. when saudi arabia won't tolerate a christian building in their country, i see alot of them here in the US living life they can't even dare in their so called Arab nations. Free is just wonderful. You need to go for rehab and enlightenment and free yourself from the york of warlord you serve or you remain Boko Haram and ISIS footsolider.

You are a dunce, terrorist and hypocrite. You are one of those that believes Chrisitainity is clean and Christians are saints while others are devils. In your minds, heaven is for you only because god is a christian.


The highest number of terrorism in the US is carried out by christian terrorists. They have done far worse things than anybody combined. But you will claim victim whilst attacking other faith particularly Islam because that's the religion disputing your world domination.

https://www.adl.org/education/resources/reports/dark-constant-rage-25-years-of-right-wing-terrorism-in-united-states

The person that needs rehab is a close minded,bigoted, sentiment hypocrite like you.

klax:
Can you see how idiot you are Very very and very stupid and very idiot. So it's Jesus that caused Syria war? It's Jesus that cause Yemen upheaval? It's Jesus that caused Somalia war? It's Jesus that cause Iraq trouble? Its Jesus that trained Bin Laden? It's Jesus that trained ISIS? It's Jesus that trained Shekau of Boko Haram? It's Jesus that formed Al Shabab? It's Jesus that broke Sudan into two nations and caused civil war? Bro I repeat you are an idiot.

You should be ashame of your religion do you know why? if Jesus as you stupidly claimed can armed you and your fellow fools to be killing each other then you are all fools. Pls just go to hell you are a sore looser that deserve no second chance of existence, a red paint stain on white cloth bollock.

It's jesus that instructed Bush to destroy Iraq
It's jesus that hihary clinton and her cohorts obeyed to create Al Qeada which turned ISIS to destroy Syria. You see your jesus loves blood so much hence these destruction. It's not new tho, ain't that same way he destroyed cities and countries in the bible

Melison:
Go and rest u dont have anything useful to say
Am done with u

What useful thing do you have to say? Simple questions you couldnt answer because you are clouded your sense of reasoning wirh hate