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primus_maximus: It depends on the department u applied for.. If its Audit den the next stage is assessment centre n if u pass dat its a partner interview

it seems a bit different. Got a text informing me dt i've been successful, and to come over to submit my printed and filled application application form and credentials tomorrow. Are they going to do d assessment stuff too when i submit? Pls i need urgent reply cos i'm going tomorrow. Thanks

I'm having a little problem filling the application form. The advert that came out when i submitted my CV was for audit graduate trainee, and i wrote d test on 20th july i.e. last saturday. Can i change to another e.g forensics, as my first preference?

Mintayo: Please who has any info about Unilag Msc program? Is the form out? When is the deadline?
When is the program starting and the requirements,please anyone,thanks!

its been out for a long time, dts why someone asked which planet are u from..lol. August 15 is the deadline. You need, 22,500 for d form, ur degree certificate or statement of result, nysc cert, birth cert, o'level cert. If you hv other questions, just go through this thread.

eliz003: Pls guys, for those dat passed d test. Any news on the interview?

for those of us that wrote on saturday 20th, the result is not yet out. They said we'll get it by mail latest on friday

I came I saw I .....(waiting for result). I don try my best o, God carry go. Nairalanders, how far with the test? You finish am?

ecolime: I think he's right. However you can still get there this way; take a bus from Oshodi to CMS. From CMS, take another bus going to Eko-hotel roundabout. Please note that the roundabout is the last bus stop and that is where you should alight. When you get to roundabout, ask people around for Bishop Aboyade Cole street. KPMG (15 storey green tower) is just a short walk down the street.

thanks so much, to you and primus. You've been very helpful.

rabzy: The punishment of Gehazi was based on (Exodus 20:5, 6). You must not bow down to them nor be induced to serve them, because I am a God exacting exclusive devotion, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation, in the case of those who hate me; 6 but exercising loving-kindness toward the thousandth generation in the case of those who love me and keep my commandments.

SO IT WAS FAIR. That principle of punishment was used by God sometimes to punish the israelites. But note the concluding part, he says he shows love to the thousandth generation in the case of those who love him. You can see that in punishment the weight is far far less than in reward. In that verse is a ratio 1:250 for punishment and reward. But in the hell and heaven scenario is a ratio 1:1.

The best place we should have known about eternal punishment of fire should have been at the garden of Eden, the punishment of Adam's sin was death and in case he does not know what death means, God explain from where you came you will return, for dust you are and to dust you will return. Adam was not from hell

You are the only one who could answer. The others can't. The other ppl in your camp believe that God's punishment for sin must be directly proportional to the sin. You said it was fair. According to whose standard? According to God's standard. Now, who sets God's standard? God. So if God does anything, we don't have a right to claim that it is unfair, with the exception of atheists. You should have been sincere enough to say that that punishment is unfair according to human standards. What did he do, he lied to collect gifts, it not that he worshiped another god, as insinuated in the passage you quoted. God said in Jer 16:18 "I will double their punishment for all their sins, because they have defiled my land with lifeless images of their detestable goes and have filled my territory with evil deeds". Note that God was talking about what he's going to do to them on earth, he didn't talk about their judgement after death, before some ppl will come and ask me if eternal torment is double of sins committed. My point is, God can punish even up to 1 million times the sin committed if he wants to. It does not make him less God, and we can not call him unfair. So ppl should stop using that arguement. About returning to dust, everyone of us, believer or unbeliever, will return to dust when we die. Is that the end? Your answer is as good as mine. Lets take the word of God without putting our own emotions or explanations. My conclusion, as you must have read above is that, Jesus warned us not to end up in unquenchable fires of Gehenna in Mark 9:43. Why didn't Jesus say "it is better for you to enter eternal life with one hand than to die eternally with two hands", was it difficult for him to say, did he want you and I to be confused? No! Did Jesus give any other meaning? No! I don't know about you, but i'll take Jesus' word for it. If we want to escape Gehenna, we only need to believe in the sacrifice of Jesus for our sins, and accept him in our lives. If we do, it will show in our lifestyle. And all will be well with us at the end. Peace

rabzy: I have not always been on this thread nor eager to convince, i believe we are discussing Gods word together, i may not be able to convince you but i am giving reasons for my own convictions and also dispel questions about my convictions.
As to the above passage, it is OBVIOUSLY A PARABLE if one should examine the details of the story. first let me start by stating that it was not an original story, it was based on a jewish ancient writing called Gemara Babylonicum, and the jews themselves adapted the story from the HADES OF THE GREEKS. If you are familiar with GREEKO-ROMAN MYTHOLOGY, then you will see that the similarities are too many.

Then looking at the parable itself, if it is true then several parts will be inconsistent with the scriptures or would be impossible.
First the parable never said that the rich man was a bad man, it only said he was clothed in nice and expensive stuffs and eats well, i dont think that is enough for someone to lavish in torment eternally, neither was lazarus said to be a good man, he was only a poor beggar who sits by the gates and is licked by the dogs, that in itself is not a proof of righteousness.

Then the story says lazarus died and was taken to the bosom of Abraham. Bosom can mean laps, chest of arm fold of a person. it did not say he went to heaven it says the bosom of Abraham. Jesus said no one has ascended into heavens except him who just came. So i can say Abraham was not in heaven. Then even if he was in heaven, are good people ferried into abraham's hands, is that the reward for faithfulness, why not davids arms, or that of moses or Isaac or Noah. Now the rih man died and was in hades.

Now from Hades/Hell the man called/prayed to Abraham, if its a call that means it is a shouting distance from hell to heaven and if it a prayer, the jews dont pray to their patriachs, they all pray to God, so why would he just pray to Abraham, and why should Abraham answer, has he be given the duty of answering prayers which is only something done by God. Does Abraham have the power to alleviate peoples suffering in hell?

If the man needs respite why ask for a drop of water, how does a drop of water quench the thirst of a spirit being and wud even a pail of water do the Job. Does spirit beings have fingers and tongues like us as indicated in the story? Then also Abraham answered that he wud have sent Lazarus but for the big gulf between both places, so does Abraham have the power or authority to send righteous saints like himself errands, then so if not that God put the big gulf or hole, spirit beings would have been crossing freely between both realms. From the parable its like people from heaven would have wanted to be crossing to hell of their own free will but God now put the gulf so that they cant do that. Does that sound plausible or DOES IT MAKE ANY SENSE.

Then when the mas asked that his brothers should be helped, Abraham answered that they have Moses and the Prophets and they should listen to them, so where in all the writings of Moses and the prophets did they tell anyone about the sufferings in hell and how miserable the place is.

The Jews never have a concept of such hell until they were exposed to the teachings of greeks which was popularized and propagated by plato and his disciples. In a bid to join the trend and be accepted by the enlightened world the Jews started adapting the teaching of plato into their systems of beliefs.

The parable was to show a change in the spiritual circumstances of the Jesus disciples and the pharisees which woud take place after the death of christ.

I will show you in clear terms what you are saying, and allow you to examine yourself. @ the capitalized, 1. You are saying Jesus Christ was using pagan greek mythology to teach ppl. 2. You mean Jesus was saying something that is not sensible i.e senseless. You conclude that it was obviously a parable, did Jesus say so? At the beginning of the story, did Jesus say anything like "the change in the spiritual circumstances of my disciples and the pharisees after the death of the Son of Man will be like..."? No! But u concluded thats the meaning. After the story, did Jesus give any other meaning? Did the ppl or disciple ask for the meaning? No. But u gave it your meaning (if its not your meaning, pls feel free to tell me whose it is). All your "can this be this", "can this be that" questions, can only be answered by the person who told that story i.e Jesus, i can't give you my opinion apart from what is written in the bible. But if you can believe that Jesus was telling greek-mythology in the bible, then i rest my case. So the numerous times Jesus use "fires of Gehenna", also shows that Jesus was influenced by Greek mythology, according to you? My advice is take the word of God for what it is.

primus_maximus: Where exactly in VI?? If it's their office then enter obalende bus then at obalende enter 'sandfield' or 'lekki' or 'Ajah' bus and tell the driver you want to drop at 'exxonmobil' (He will drop you before or after).. You then walk to the 'main entrance of Exxonmobil' (ask pips if you miss it)... Kpmg is abt 5-10mins walk down that straight road.

The venue is kpmg tower, bishop aboyade cole street. I hope its the same place you're describing? @house, someone should pls confirm the description. @primus, not that i don't appreciate ur effort o, just want to be double-sure. Thanks

JMAN05: how many years was Gehazi to stay with leprosy, eternity?

do u also argue that when one dies, he is not acqitted of his sins? am waiting for ur answer.

You've not answered my questions. I asked 2 questions in dt post but you answered none, so i won't answer yours until you answer mine, don't tactically avoid it or distract us away from it. And FYI i'm not here to argue, i simply state what is in the scripture.

Pls how do i get to the test venue in VI from oshodi. Pls ds is urgent cos i'm scheduled to write the test on sat july 20. I really need d directions

Sike: WTF!! Save that Shot?! Don't tell me nunsense abeg! 40 keepers at large self no fit stop that screamer. Abeg! Next excuse plssssssssss!

I disagree. Enyeama did not narrow the angle. He also wasn't alert, it showed because he couldn't even lift himself off the ground to attempt to save the shot. If he had been alert, he could have saved the shot. And there are goal keepers that can save that shot.

To all of you, especially frosbel, who argue that eternal torment is a punishment that is more than any sin a man can commit, and therefore it can't be from God cos its "not fair". Pls answer this. Gehazi collected silver and cloth, and his punishment was leprosy for him and his descendants (2 Kings 5:26-27). Is the judgement fair according to your judgement? Was it from "the God of the bible" or "the god of this world"? I'm waiting...

truthislight: The beauty and teaching of the truth.

You did a God job.

For those that have an honest heart and not using "hell fire" to THREATEN and exploit people in their churches, they will learn and grow more in the truth.

Well done.

@the capitalized, ARE YOU REFERING TO JESUS CHRIST? Mark 9:43 (NLT) - "If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It's better to enter eternal life with only one hand than to go into the unquenchable fires of hell (greek: Gehenna) with two hands. Interesting to see if you'll actually reply this or tactically avoid it.

olumyde: Luke 16:19-31 is another vivid description, but they say its a parable, even though Jesus didn't give any other meaning to the passage, i'm still waiting for someone that will come and give us HIS OWN meaning. I will conclude with this. According to Mark 9:42-48, there is a terrible place/condition awaiting sinners, whatever name you call it, either you believe its immediately after death or later. This place/condition is so terrible, no matter how we try to water it down, dt Jesus said its better to cut our hands and pluck out our eyes than for us to be thrown into it. Meaning d pain we'll feel by cutting off our hands or plucking out our eyes, can not be compared to if we are thrown into that place/condition. THERE IS A TERRIBLE PLACE OR CONDITION AWAITING UNREPENTANT SINNERS. Thats what Jesus was trying to tell them, which good christians continue to tell the world, that there is a place/condition we desperately need to avoid. If anybody disagrees with this, they should take it up with Jesus.

@all, frosbel truthislight rabzy and co. are always on this thread eager to convince ppl that God will not punish them as bad as they think. I can't count how many times i've put up this my conclusion above. They've always avoided it. They can't discuss it. Thats why i don't have anything more to say to them. Save yourself the stress.

frosbel: By placing souls in heaven or hell after death , we undermine the resurrection , because after all what is the purpose of the resurrection if we receive our rewards after death.

Until we accept that there is only one physical death , one final resurrection and one final judgement , we will continue to be deceived and deceive others with these platonic Greek ideas that crept in unawares for the purpose of paganising Christianity and misplacing the hope of believers.

As alexleo has been saying, thats your idea.

truthislight: Gehenna was a refuse dump outside the walls of Jerusalem.

Imagine! So Jesus is warning ppl, to pluck out their eyes if necessary so that they will not be thrown into "a refuse dump outside the wall of Jerusalem...lol

Pls let this thread not be derailed. I'll quote Mark 9:43 for those that were avoiding my conclusion, "If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It's better to enter eternal life with only one hand than to go into the unquenchable fires of hell (*Gehenna) with two hands." Truthislight said Gehenna is a refuse dump, can u see how ridiculous dt will sound in d context dt verse i.e. Jesus is telling them to cut their hands in order not to be thrown into the refuse dump? Please reply to my conclusion

alexleo: There are lots of unanswered questions they have in this issue. We are all delibrating and i pray God to intervene so that none of us will be on the wrong track which means ending in eternal damnation,

Amen!

olumyde: Luke 16:19-31 is another vivid description, but they say its a parable, even though Jesus didn't give any other meaning to the passage, i'm still waiting for someone that will come and give us HIS OWN meaning. I will conclude with this. According to Mark 9:42-48, there is a terrible place/condition awaiting sinners, whatever name you call it, either you believe its immediately after death or later. This place/condition is so terrible, no matter how we try to water it down, dt Jesus said its better to cut our hands and pluck out our eyes than for us to be thrown into it. Meaning d pain we'll feel by cutting off our hands or plucking out our eyes, can not be compared to if we are thrown into that place/condition. THERE IS A TERRIBLE PLACE OR CONDITION AWAITING UNREPENTANT SINNERS. Thats what Jesus was trying to tell them, which good christians continue to tell the world, that there is a place/condition we desperately need to avoid. If anybody disagrees with this, they should take it up with Jesus.

and this is my conclusion according to Mark 9, which you people are avoiding.

truthislight: Alexo have nothing to offer.

He is here hanging with his teeth to a literal understanding to a book written in symbols.

Who cares what he thinks !

You don't like as he is holding purely to the word of God? Your post shows you are biased. The book of revelation is not all symbols. Is the new earth and new heaven not to be taken literally? Is dead rising not to be taken literally? I join alexeo in holding to God's word. Both you and ur colleagues have no answer to my conclusion, that's why you all avoided it.

Anyone for MSc Microbiology? Lets see if we can help each other.

frosbel: So which is worse , resurrection to kill or resurrection to everlasting roasting in liquid sulphur ?

I'm not arguing which or what punishment is appropriate. That decision is not mine to make. If God decides to use the worst punishment, what can I, a mere mortal, do. Thats why I said in d post i think u are refering to, dt it's just my thoughts, it doesn't matter. I see u are at ease replying to my other posts, but ignoring my conclusion.

frosbel: It is poor bible scholarship to base a very important and core Christian doctrine on a parable which only forms 0.0001% of the bible.

Besides , can you tell us if this hell of yours in Luke 16 is the same as the lake of fire ?

Ok i agree i'm a poor bible scholar. And you are the excellent bible scholar. Ok? I'm not even focused on whether hell is lake of fire or lake of fire is hell. Jesus warned me not to be in either hell or lake of fire. Just do a careful appraisal of my conclusion.

Something funny just occured to me. Some of them say, sinners are just simply going to die, and they also agree that they will be resurrected for judgement. They mean God will raise them up to kill them again. I don't like using human analogy, but why won't God just leave them dead? Its just funny to me. It may make sense to someone else though. This is not biblical, it's just my own thoughts o.

olumyde: Luke 16:19-31 is another vivid description, but they say its a parable, even though Jesus didn't give any other meaning to the passage, i'm still waiting for someone that will come and give us HIS OWN meaning. I will conclude with this. According to Mark 9:42-48, there is a terrible place/condition awaiting sinners, whatever name you call it, either you believe its immediately after death or later. This place/condition is so terrible, no matter how we try to water it down, dt Jesus said its better to cut our hands and pluck out our eyes than for us to be thrown into it. Meaning d pain we'll feel by cutting off our hands or plucking out our eyes, can not be compared to if we are thrown into that place/condition. THERE IS A TERRIBLE PLACE OR CONDITION AWAITING UNREPENTANT SINNERS. Thats what Jesus was trying to tell them, which good christians continue to tell the world, that there is a place/condition we desperately need to avoid. If anybody disagrees with this, they should take it up with Jesus.

and this is my conclusion.

frosbel: You need to be perfected in love bro, stop living in fear.

"There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love." - 1 John 4:18

God will punish in this life and in the next with death if sinners refuse to repent, if this is not enough for you , then you need to pray that your heart will be filled with love.

I know you'll continue to avoid my conclusion. Now you've come to the level of assuming that i'm living in fear and that there's no love in my heart. U wish. Why would I who is saved by God's grace be living in fear. Infact, i don't really like d idea of ppl accepting Christ because of fear of hell, cos i think it doesn't last. The love of God according to John 3:16, dt made Him send the Son to die and suffer so we won't be punished for our sins, is the most important thing. But what is in the bible is in the bible. No need to call it parable and metaphor just to suit the unbelievers perception of God. Pls, don't feel obliged to reply this post. It's my conclusion that is most important.

Oxygenmayo: while using an iPad in the church or mosque..you can be tempted to switch over to something else in the course of the service. but if you are with the printed copy, and you're DISCIPLINED, nothing, I say nothing can distract you...He that has an ear, let him hear....#SimpleTruth

@ the capitalized, thats the word. Whether you use the virtual or printed form of the bible, it takes discipline not to be distracted.

Oxygenmayo: Tell me, can the virtual bible repel an attack from demons? Never!!!

Can a printed bible repel an attack from demons? Never!!! Its the name of Jesus that repels demons and delivers ppl. Ok?

alexleo: You have to calm down and answer him. All this ones you are saying- doctrines of demon, this and that, doesn't change anything. We can talk the talk but we can't change what is real. Even if we agree with you, it still will not make God to change what he has laid.

He doesn't have an answer to my conclusion, bro. He will just continue bringing up his own logic and analogy. He thinks he's the only one that studies the bible. He thinks God has given him exclusive right to understand the bible.

frosbel: When human beings torture animals or men/women, they are called the vilest of all living , but when the 'god' of religion tortures human beings made in his image, not for 1 day , not for 1 year, not for 1 century , not for 1 millennia, but for everlasting to everlasting we call him a lovely , kind and gentle 'god'. Double standards anyone ?


When human beings lynch thieves and burn them alive slowly, when human beings cook their victims or sacrifice their children through fire, we label them as the basest of all mankind, but when the 'god' of religion tortures his creatures in boiling liquid sulfur for a trillion years, we call him just, merciful and kind.

Double standards and hypocrisy anyone ?

This is why the catholic church found it easy to sanction murder and torture multitudes during the middle ages, because after all , God is going to do ten times worse, this is why the false Christianity of Babylon has murdered , maimed, oppressed and tortured countless millions over the ages , for rejecting their pagan, satanic, demonic , cruel and evil dogmas.

Throw away this doctrine of demons, God does not take any delight in harming anyone talk less of torture.

God punishes in this life through various events, hoping the wicked sinner will repent, if he does not, he will sin himself to death and on the resurrection day be raised for judgement , punished and destroyed.


Guys, I truly do not know which 'god' you serve, but he certainly is not the God of the bible, maybe he is this god :

"But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4In whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine to them. 5For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake - 2 Corinthians 4:3


The true gospel may be hid from our brothers because they are going in the direction of another gospel.

Stop slandering the name of God.

Forget churches, God's punishment of sinners is shown all over the bible. This your analogy of if God punish ppl eternally then he is unjust is not through, even according to u two yrs ago. Let God be God and man be man. Your opinion doesn't change God. If your analogy is true, then you should also say God has been unjust to; command saul to kill all amalekites both women and children; to kill all the first born in egypt; to make all the egyptian army drown in the sea; to allow a sinless Jesus to suffer for our sins. As a human being, no matter who your enemy is, you are not right to kill his first born, not to talk of killing all the first born in his village. God is God. Man is Man. Don't mix it. It's better not use that logic again. Thanks

olumyde: Luke 16:19-31 is another vivid description, but they say its a parable, even though Jesus didn't give any other meaning to the passage, i'm still waiting for someone that will come and give us HIS OWN meaning. I will conclude with this. According to Mark 9:42-48, there is a terrible place/condition awaiting sinners, whatever name you call it, either you believe its immediately after death or later. This place/condition is so terrible, no matter how we try to water it down, dt Jesus said its better to cut our hands and pluck out our eyes than for us to be thrown into it. Meaning d pain we'll feel by cutting off our hands or plucking out our eyes, can not be compared to if we are thrown into that place/condition. THERE IS A TERRIBLE PLACE OR CONDITION AWAITING UNREPENTANT SINNERS. Thats what Jesus was trying to tell them, which good christians continue to tell the world, that there is a place/condition we desperately need to avoid. If anybody disagrees with this, they should take it up with Jesus.

frosbel, truthislight, and co will continue to avoid this my conclusion. Cos what they are trying to do, is to water down God's judgement, so it doesn't look so bad to unbelievers. While Jesus was literaryly scaring ppl, yes, scaring ppl, in Mark 9 with hell or gehena or whatever you call it.