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olumyde: Luke 16:19-31 is another vivid description, but they say its a parable, even though Jesus didn't give any other meaning to the passage, i'm still waiting for someone that will come and give us HIS OWN meaning. I will conclude with this. According to Mark 9:42-48, there is a terrible place/condition awaiting sinners, whatever name you call it, either you believe its immediately after death or later. This place/condition is so terrible, no matter how we try to water it down, dt Jesus said its better to cut our hands and pluck out our eyes than for us to be thrown into it. Meaning d pain we'll feel by cutting off our hands or plucking out our eyes, can not be compared to if we are thrown into that place/condition. THERE IS A TERRIBLE PLACE OR CONDITION AWAITING UNREPENTANT SINNERS. Thats what Jesus was trying to tell them, which good christians continue to tell the world, that there is a place/condition we desperately need to avoid. If anybody disagrees with this, they should take it up with Jesus.

You'll notice they have nothing to say to this conclusion. They just want to argue.

grandstar: The torment is not literal. The everlasting torment simply means there will be no relief from the bondage of death forever. 2 Thessalonians 1:9

Listen to how ridiculous you sound. NO RELIEF FROM THE BONDAGE OF DEATH FOR EVER? Wait, is a death a bondage? How can a dead person be in bondage when he is unconscious? Does a dead person need relief? A dead person is unconscious of anything, he doesn't need relief, he's already relieved. Why can't you accept that passage the way it is.

frosbel: Did you read my explanation or you just shut your eyes and walked past ?

Anyway, I cannot convince your heart , only GOD can, I personally held to this false doctrine of demons for almost all my life till I started to study for myself, asking God for wisdom and undergoing intensive research.

Let me repeat , forever and ever in this context means until mission is accomplished , Rev 20.14 which comes after v10 concludes this matter and calls it the second death. I wonder what death means in your dictionary.

Revelation is covered from start to finish with metaphors, if we start taking all of them literally , we might end up getting locked up for insanity

Pls listen to Profesor Frosbel's dictionary of biblical english, For ever and ever means "until mission is accomplished". Are you also saying that death never means "seperation from God" in the bible? Revelation is filled with metaphors? Yes. But not all of Revelation is metaphor. I can see your logic now, any scripture dt doesn't suit you is either a parable (rich man and lazarus) or a metaphor (rev 20:10). I've said my final word on this issue in my last post. Shalom

Luke 16:19-31 is another vivid description, but they say its a parable, even though Jesus didn't give any other meaning to the passage, i'm still waiting for someone that will come and give us HIS OWN meaning. I will conclude with this. According to Mark 9:42-48, there is a terrible place/condition awaiting sinners, whatever name you call it, either you believe its immediately after death or later. This place/condition is so terrible, no matter how we try to water it down, dt Jesus said its better to cut our hands and pluck out our eyes than for us to be thrown into it. Meaning d pain we'll feel by cutting off our hands or plucking out our eyes, can not be compared to if we are thrown into that place/condition. THERE IS A TERRIBLE PLACE OR CONDITION AWAITING UNREPENTANT SINNERS. Thats what Jesus was trying to tell them, which good christians continue to tell the world, that there is a place/condition we desperately need to avoid. If anybody disagrees with this, they should take it up with Jesus.

Luke 16:19-31 is another vivid description, but they say its a parable, even though Jesus didn't give any other meaning to the passage, i'm still waiting for someone that will come and give us HIS OWN meaning. I will conclude with this. According to Mark 9:42-48, there is a terrible place/condition awaiting sinners, whatever name you call it, either you believe its immediately after death or later. This place/condition is so terrible, no matter how we try to water it down, dt Jesus said its better to cut our hands and pluck out our eyes than for us to be thrown into it. Meaning d pain we'll feel by cutting off our hands or plucking out our eyes, can not be compared to if we are thrown into that place/condition. THERE IS A TERRIBLE PLACE OR CONDITION AWAITING UNREPENTANT SINNERS. Thats what Jesus was trying to tell them, which good christians continue to tell the world, that there is a place/condition we desperately need to avoid. If anybody disagrees with this, they should take it up with Jesus.

Luke 16:19-31 is another vivid description, but they say its a parable, even though Jesus didn't give any other meaning to the passage, i'm still waiting for someone that will come and give us HIS OWN meaning. I will conclude with this. According to Mark 9:42-48, there is a terrible place/condition awaiting sinners, whatever name you call it, either you believe its immediately after death or later. This place/condition is so terrible, no matter how we try to water it down, dt Jesus said its better to cut our hands and pluck out our eyes than for us to be thrown into it. Meaning d pain we'll feel by cutting off our hands or plucking out our eyes, can not be compared to if we are thrown into that place/condition. THERE IS A TERRIBLE PLACE OR CONDITION AWAITING UNREPENTANT SINNERS. Thats what Jesus was trying to tell them, which good christians continue to tell the world, that there is a place/condition we desperately need to avoid. If anybody disagrees with this, they should take it up with Jesus.

Frosbel and co claim that "there is no torment for ever and ever", Rev 20:10 says "they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever". The two opinion contradicts each other, so they have to give it another meaning, instead of telling me direct. I understand them. Frosbel brought up vs14, what he should have done is this, vs 10 said "they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever", vs 14 says "this is the second death. From dt, i can infer dt, the second death = torment day and night for ever and ever. The question now comes, how can this be? It can only be, if the second death is not death like physical death but means "seperation from God". And this is not a strange biblical concept, even frosbel will agree. You may disagree with my explanation. Thats fine with me. But one thing is sure Rev 20:10 does not agree wt the opinion of frosbel and co. I have had to change some of my beliefs in time past, but when i see a clear scripture, i accept, even if i don't really understand it. Thank you

truthislight: Fire being a symbol of a complete eternal destruction, it is fitting to emphersise what the fire does as being forever and ever.

Those things will be gone for ever and ever.

What torment can grave and abstract death face ?

Can a spirit being without a material body be tormented ? and by a literal fire ? No.

All you wrote are assumptions and i'm not obliged to answer your questions, cos we are not debating logic. We are looking at a verse and interpreting it. It says "d devil...was THROWN INTO the lake of burning sulphur". How can this be more clearer? and also that "they will be TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER" not that "what the fire will do is like forever and ever". Its THEY WILL BE TORMENTED FOR DAY AND NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER. Its a simple sentence

frosbel: V.14 is the end of events which started from v.10, the culmination of all punishment is the second death which means death in the proper definition of the word, cessation of existence, death means nothing else from a literal perspective.

I wonder how you manage to conclude dt a verse talking about death and Hades is the conclusion to the verse talking about d devil, d beast and d false prophet. Let's go to our main verse, it clearly shows dt verse ends itself. U can read, THEY WILL BE TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER (Amen) - full stop.

Nascimento: been tormented day and night means their destruction will be a thing that will echo through times everlasting. Do you remember sodom and gomorrah? The Bible said, the fire kept burning forever. As for torment, my brother try read eccl 9:5,6-10.

First of all, the bible did not say d fire kept burning forever and ever as u said, the passage said they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. According to you explanation, sodom and gomorah are being tormented day and night forever and ever. Ur explanation is not correct. How can torment day and night forever and ever become "their destruction will be a thing that will echo for time everlasting". If dt's what you turn dt clear passage to, i give up on you. According to you torment = destruction in that passage.

frosbel: Your answers are is in Revelation 20:14

I don't get what u infer. Pls explain that verse 10 for me. Don't dodge it pls. Thank u

[quote author=Nascimento][/quote]Final annihilation? To annihilate means to make something non-existent. Can something that is non-existent still be TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER? Maybe you should read that verse again, you may have a better explanation.

olumyde: I don't claim to know all but frosbel and co will need to explain this verse of scripture. Revelation 20:10 - "And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulphur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. THEY WILL BE TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER". Pls don't answer with questions like, is there day and night in the other world (frosbel used dt to boycott d question sometime in d thread). Explain this verse to show there's no eternal punishment. Thanks

I'm still waiting for the explanation. None coming?

frosbel: You cannot eat your cake and have it, if you want us to disregard my previous explanation then we should literally take everything in revelation at face value such as :

The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces.Their hair was like women's hair, and their teeth were like lions' teeth - Revelation 9:7-8

Pls explain the verse. I'm not talking about anything else.

pammusphy: Have you come across someone who told you the moment He/she opened the bible "my eyes fell on that passage!"?
Also, you cannot underline the soft copy..
The words look raw and practical on tangible pages
you'd get tired of reading it more easily because of the light emanating from the screen.
Though, in certain aspects, the software is good. We arent totally brushing it aside. It can help in word search...and maybe reading it where you cannot open your Bible. BUT, DONT USE IT IN THE CHURCH

Why shouldn't I? Is it a sin? I can even use it to preach sef

I don't claim to know all but frosbel and co will need to explain this verse of scripture. Revelation 20:10 - "And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulphur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. THEY WILL BE TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER". Pls don't answer with questions like, is there day and night in the other world (frosbel used dt to boycott d question sometime in d thread). Explain this verse to show there's no eternal punishment. Thanks

@OP, you just beat be to this. I've been waiting for today to put up this topic, and here it is on front page. @topic, nothing wrong in using ebible.

I still don't know why some people have turned themselves into campaign chairman for buhari. We need a fresh breath in nigerian presidency. I desire neither Jonathan nor Buhari for 2015. There are some governors that have done very well in their states, i think we should choose from them to rule this nation. We can check what they've done in their state for d past 4 or 8 years and decide if they are capable, no need for empty promises.

PAGAN 9JA:
DEATH TO THE XTIANS AND THEIR BLOODY FORGIVENESS!

IF THIS WAS THE PAGAN DAYS, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN CASTRATED, BLUDGEONED AND ALL HIS CHOPPED PARTS HUNG ACROSS THE CITY AND HIS BLOOD POURED AT THE ALTAR. THIS IS OUR FORGIVENESS.

did they mention christian in the article. This shows dt ur mind has started playing tricks on you and your gods are to blame. The law of the country will be used to convict the man, simple!

ferdsmart: ... Bro,u ar on point..

see two child molesters complimenting each other. Maybe some ppl's father molested them homo.sexually while young, dts why they think in certain pattern. SMH

Pvin: Now lets look @ dis story frm d man side.
A bus driver who is trying to meet up with d family needs but sm hw d woman managed to be d bread winner and uses the opportunity to always disobeys and insults d man (like: do u knw wht it takes to put food on d table that u re asking me where am coming back frm) which wil result to d batery. D lady leaves d man with a broken hrt, nd to add more 2 d injury, she took away their kids to her own mum with d word that he cant cather for them (d hrtbroken man like evry other man wil do, proudly went nd brought his kids back to prove d point that he is a man) then @ d long run of cathering for himself nd d two kids wit d smal income he gets, he cant afford to keep a lady who will satisfy his urge for sex. So one night he stood and watched his beautiful daughters swt little punanny nd decided to reap frm where he is investing.

Abeg am not tryin to protect d uncontrolable animal or so I tot.

wow! Some ppl have a completely degenerated mind. How can u even type this? It means you will do d same thing, if u r their father. You need God to deliver you

But i couldn't get past questions from my department - microbiology. It's like i've not seen ppl dt applied for msc microbiology on ds thread o. I need help concerning how to get past questions. If you are for microbiology, pls indicate.

I was in unilag today to submit my documents, and i was opportuned to get some info. There is no deadline for submission of transcript. Its not even important until you are about to start registration (after admission). It was on the notice board dt all transcript must reach the school on or before the beginning of registration.

J.Kramer:
ive submitted online but havent done so at the department. will it still be possible now that there is strike? i applied for systems engineering

yes, i just submitted mine today

McTEE10: Are we submitting to the department?

yes

THE END. *it was like a movie* If you fine yourself in the commandant's shoes, CONTROL YOUR ANGER. If u find yourself in the girl's shoes, CONTROL YOUR MOUTH. *peace out*

chizel: Another successful mistake in case he forgets,is sleeping with his daughter inlaw,killing of bola ige should also be mentioned as one of his successful mistake.as far as Nigerians are concerned,this ape of a man called obasanjo is the worst mistake that Nigeria ever make

speak for yourself

Blueray: Somethings we should take into consideration on this
matter.
1. The NYSC Camp life is a regimented life and in this kind of life
style you loss some amount of your Human Rights.
a. You are asked to sleep even when you are not ready (remember
lights out?)
b. You are made to wake even when the weather is so so harsh (ask
those that served in the North especially during the harmattan)
c. You take part in compulsory morning Physical Exercise that your
VC will not attempt to order.
d. You must wear that uniform even if you have the best jeans in the
world.
e. You must remain in the Camp for the period of the Orientation
Exercise.
2. It is only the soldiers that have been mandated to ensure this
regimentation in Camp.
3. The Camp Commandant is responsible for discipline in the Camp in
addition to ensuring that the regimented life style is upheld.

Now the impression that the average officer or soldier is a dullard is
very deceptive. Some here have tried NDA exams until they suddenly
realised that they were fathers and no longer qualified.
Somebody commented that we have not gotten the whole gist but the two
parties were wrong.
If the story here is correct, the Commandant have no business addressing
the girl while an NYSC Official was already at the scene unless she had
been rude to the Official.
The Commandant ought to know her status in the Camp i.e. some of the
regimental rules do not apply to her as she is not undergoing
Orientation Exercise.
Yes, when she was ordered to go back into her room she should have
obeyed. A succesful act of insurbordination especcialy in the presence
of other surbordinates will lead to mutiny which in this case will be
rioting in Camp. And we will all blame the Commandant for lack of grip.
An officer is a gentleman and so the physical contact was wrong....at a
lady at that...
Will the officer be punished? After a detailed investigation and if
found culpable why not.... But was he doing his legitimate duty of
ensuring peace and harmony in the Camp? We weren't there. My symparthy
to the lady. However, if you have folks going to NYSC camp do well to
drum some of the considerations above into their heads and they will
enjoy the Camp. Peace and no hate.

This is spot on. Why can't ppl see the sense in this. The way some ppl are speaking, they'll be encouraging younger ones to do the same. Pls, when confronted wt such, back down for dt moment of fury, then u can report him to d authority, or refuse to continue wt teaching the dance, and move out of the camp in protest. There are better ways to go about it.

carzola: That is not a reason for sexual molestation, have u been to the usa? Brazile and d rest u see girl walkin the street in bikini,
and the number of sexual molestation is very low..

I think the economic situation in those countries are better, so most guys can get their dream girl. Secondly, d US for example is not dt morally strict in d issue of s3x, so its easy to get laid. Lastly, laws are adequately enforced. Nigeria is a diff ball game entirely

@nijanigga, stop insulting ppl on NL, go and look for the officer and fight him. Or go and assist the lady with money.