₦airaland Forum

Its not like its anything new.
And you all have to understand that Nickelodeon does not produce cartoons specifically for homophobic countries as primary audience. The TV companies who buy the rights to air the programs of these channels are not obliged air them in these countries. You honestly cannot dictate what Nickelodeon shows or doesn't show. You can only ask for the channel to be censored in your country. In the home country, actively refusing to show a cartoon with a gay-coupled theme is prohibited by law. A lot of children in this country do not see anything strange about a gay couple. They may see it as not mainstream, but many kids have at least one or more classmates in school that come from homes with same gender parents. Even though gay marriages may not be legal in many countries, a large number of people are living in committed same gender common law unions with kids in the homes. They do not have to be married to be considered a gay couple or a gay-partnered family. These people are active in the community, on Parent-Teacher Boards, even on school fundraising organizations.
The disconnect here is not with Nickelodeon airing a same-sex biracial family unit on a cartoon network. The disconnect is that the NBC allows DSTV to air that particular program on Nigerian airwaves, which directly contravenes the Same-sex marriage prohibition act. That's what this discussion should be about.

lomaxx:
Does this hold true for American Universities? I intend to pursue a PhD in Neuroscience in two years time, I hope it won't affect my chances. It's very pathetic that we're made to suffer to learn and the grading system isn't sympathetic.

We still do the closed marking system for essay. You can't score above 70% on an essay question. Ironically, you can be given a zero. These are the things I believe NUC should focus on, instead of this balderdash

Well, am not so conversant with American universities.....bbut a Ph.D in Neuroscience is going to be really competitive. You sure must have good references and connections for that. Most programs in North America generally will prefer to take their own graduates for Ph.D.....as most candidates have usually been working on a particular area from their Masters days that they will like to continue. Then, there is the issue of contacting a supervisor in the particular field you want to do, who has to accept to supervise you. The requirements for the 3.3 in 4 GPA is really for Masters if you want to look at it critically. I think the most important criterion for the Ph.D is getting a supervisor. If you can get one in a field of your choice, you practically have admission. Neuroscience is very competitive anywhere, and they are often picky. The experience I have is with an acquintance who got placement for his Ph.D in Human Genetics in McGill. And it was very tough. Practically had to ambush his potential supervisor across Canada during conferences......

Chartey:
Rumour is MDCN has rejected the NUC minimum requirements. The MDCN is the only council mandated by law to regulate medical education and it wasn't even consulted. The NUC obviously doesn't know its limits.

That's good news to hear, if MDCN has said something. But a point of correction there....MDCN doesn't regulate medical education oooooo....it only regulates medical PRACTICE. It is NUC that has the sole prerogative on medical education. But MDCN can decide they will not induct someone into the medical profession. They can also decide to remove accreditation from schools that they deem doesn't meet their requirements for training doctors that they can register to practise.
In other words, NUC controls university admissions, while MDCN controls medical induction. Thus, if the two bodies decide not to work together, a dangerous situation occurs where medical schools keep producing medical graduates that will not become doctors.
This kind of pproblem is easily solved if both bodies can work together, not just going their own ways.
Internal validity says NUC should consult with MDCN before starting any change to the training of professionals that they don't regulate.

LadyFiona:
Thanks for this. I was having a low time when I wrote that.,
But I sincerely believe that having dual degrees will be an advantage as they used to have in the 70's.
I know many members of allied health who will like to jump ship to medicine since NMA have made it more attractive. It is their decision and nobody should be forced to continue with what they are no longer comfortable in because of " we are all patients and wouldn't like to be treated in a collapsed system" sentimentality.
Let government also decorate others to be more appealing and nobody will dream of studying for the rest of their adult life.

Sorry, didn't mean to disparage you in any way...
But you see, it is anybody's choice to study and become what they want to be.
It is the reason why a very close friend of mine, decided to leave medicine and do clinical research.
Inasmuch as it will not cause chaos or disorder in the system, any solution to the present quandry we are in now, will be welcome.

LadyFiona:
. I have to laugh when I read your comment. We all are gonna be doctors soon, thank God for lobbying. The pathway will eliminate the JOHESU nightmare, we can do all be the nurse, pharmacist, biomedical scientists ....come on. If the health system will collapse then by all means, let it, not my damn business.

I like the policy though, gives you the opportunity to practice with a dual degree other than only the MBBS and the added advantage of graduating as mature students.
Me thinks, they should've modelled it like US medical school as a graduate program.

Your reply is not a good statement for the benefit of the health system. You said if the health system collapses, by all means let it......iit's not your darn business.
I can conveniently say that we do not need that type of attitude in the Healthcare place in Nigeria here.
Do not be clouded by the present labour union disputes and the resulting disharmony in the health sector. The health care delivery system is not ok the way it stands, but I don't think the way out is to be selfish about ourselves caring less what happens to the system.
Remember that a working healthcare delivery system is a benefit to all and sundry. Remember that we are all patients.....wwe will all be one day, no matter what happens. You will not want to be attended to by a collapsed health system.
Not everyone will be a doctor. That doesn't even happen in other countries. Granted, there is more autonomy for other healthcare professionals, but everyone works together for the good of the patient.
We should not have the attitudes of "the other guy is my enemy". It helps nobody.
Pls, I will like you to be more constructive in your statements. It's that kind of arguments that lifts the spirit and let's us reason together how we can move forward in this country healthwise.
The reasons for this kind of forum is because nobody is an encyclopedia of knowledge, nobody knows it all. It's the Commonwealth of the stakeholders, healthcare providers, patients and government that can help us get through the mess we are in right now.

Coldfeets:
Hehehe... see this guy o! You are not me and yet you think you know what I feel, or rather, what I should be feeling.

Anyway sha, na so e be. The problem with most people is that people like you are always projecting your life or what you think life should be on others but in essence, I know you guys are just projecting your fears so I understand where you are coming from.

But my guy, believe it or not, call it a lie or not, just like you will be so SAD being alone, God knows, I will be so HAPPY being alone. It's all about choice. One man's meat will always be another man's poison.

Take it or leave it but it is what it is.

Lolz.....you sef....you still get time dey answer the puffed up arrogant excuse for a human being.....

Chartey:
OSCE has largely solved the problem of subjectivity.

These programmes you are talking about, are they medical?

They are ALL medical. Check out the Master programs in Universities of Alberta, Calgary and Saskatchewan.
OSCE cannot solve the issue of subjectivity if you still write theory exams that can be marked. That is what introduces human error.
The oral exams can be made more objective by issuing standard questions and marking rules with electronic recoding of the interviews. But that's a long shot.
The tests of objectivity are MCQs in all their various formats scored and marked by a machine Eg. Scantron that is routinely measured for precision and accuracy, and OSCE. Those are the only two forms of exams that are very objective. Most medical schools round the world now have that along with tightly controlled vivas

josite:
it is because the hospital and drs and nurses are always not being allowed to face the music that their negligence becomes heightened and they go ahead and repeat it with further patients,nigeri must learn to sue and no matter how long it take,get justice against the negligent.the trauma of attending court every now and then will ensure the health care worker avoids being sued.

You're looking at the story from just one angle. It's not only about suing that will solve the problem. I agree with you that there is some negligence in the sector. People are not suing might improve on negligence, but I tell you, it will make things much worse.
The upsurge on litigation in the USA is what has made it possible for doctors to practise defensive medicine, and I bet my neck in a guillotine that you will not want that to happen in Nigeria. Because if it does, healthcare delivery will practically shutdown.
Because before your doctor prescribes an analgesic for your headache, you will need to take an MRI to rule out brain rumours. And with litigation will also come communal responsibility. Don't think that doctors will take that lying down. Your access to over the counter controlled medications will cease. You will need a tightly controlled prescription for everything.
Also, doctors fees will go up as a result of insurance premiums going up due to the rise in litigation. The poor populace will suffer it.
The government hospitals will practically shut down due to lack of equipment and manpower, since the associations and insurance companies will prescribe stricter working rules and the limit to effect of fatigue on performance and errors.....
The list goes on and on......
The answer to the mess we are in is a Participatory and responsible UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE system. It's the only way things can work out . Your idea of litigation working can only be in motion if there is a system that protects everyone. Provider, user and regulator inclusive.

Gaborone:
Why are you so incensed because someone says they're single and happy?

Is there something you'll like to talk about?

It's been so unimaginable to me why someone will be so resolute and adamant about their own view about someone else's life. It is such a sad world. He abuses someone else's sense of person and he feels so triumphantly cool, high and mighty about it. He feels he's the alpha and omega of all knowledge about things happy and sad. And he thinks there is nothing bad about condemning other people's notion of themselves. It's so self centered....
You see, if this was coming from someone you knew personally, who has an idea of who you are or a background on your story, you could explain it away as a prejudiced outlook based on misinformation.....bbut misinformation nonetheless is missing read information. When it comes from a total stranger, it's in the same category with racial profiling....
Like I said, he isn't even worth the time....

Chartey:
Interesting angle. Please what programs are those?

My experience has been with Masters programs in Canadian Universities. Take any Masters program in any university there and visit their school of postgraduate studies. They squarely spell out the 3.3 in 4 point GPA. you can only make that if you got 70% in majority of your courses in school. And the unclassified part to the degree doesn't make it easier.
Another angle to it is that the medical school program does not inspire excellence......it just places emphasis on averageness, since all you have to do is just pass.
Not that the program is not hectic enough, but it leaves you with the mentality that you don't really have to be exceptional. At least, all you need to do is just pass.
I agree that they may need to overhaul the whole process, but I hope the older doctors in the profession won't be against the changes. Most people still feel the old landmarks shouldn't be removed.
Most schools are still doing the longform exams still, which worldwide has been judged to be it only subjective, but not in tandem with the new concept of evidence based medicine....

lestat:
Heheehheehe I struck a never didn't I? Anyway you cretin, I wasn't talking about everyone I meant you in particular!
You are a lying, deceitful, lonely serial dumpee!!

Lemme guess you have been dumped soooooo many times that u have now convinced yourself that you are lonely and happy?
Funny you! Get off your deluded pedestal and face reality, you are lonely not because you want to but because your have such a messed up character and have refused to acknowledge this hence you won't change! So enjoy your self imposed sad life of solitude retardo

I have better things to do than responding to someone who uses words like "cretin" "retardo" "dumpee" to describe someone they've never met. Other more intelligent and socially conscious people and posts need my attention. I will not become you.

Chartey:
My biggest problem is not even the extension. We spend 7 years already with internship making it 8 years. I think the "extension" may not necessarily make it too much longer.
My problem is the proposal to abolish the end-of-posting examination system in favour of the course credit system. This is just so naive and ill-conceived. I wonder who they consulted before coming out with this. I wonder how many course credits Pathology alone will take? 40? Paediatrics? 30? The EOP exam system is just fine and they should let it be. It's so evident these people know very little about the peculiarities of medical education.

But you see, the course credit system isn't actually a bad thing. I've been thinking about that for a while now. I think if properly implemented, it will do a lot of good.
First, it will bring an end to the evil system of closed marking. This closed marking system has destroyed a lot of destinies. Do you know that you cannot qualify for most postgraduate programs in many countries of the world because of it? Many programs will require you to have at least a 3.3 out of 4 point GPA. When they see your transcript and calculate all your 50s and 60s, it just gets you nowhere. If you had distinction all through medical school, your calculated GPA will be just 2.8. They don't even understand the concept of closed marking.
But if we have a course credit based system, closed marking will end. Then, the possibility of scoring higher increases......

lestat:
I shall ignore the obvious personal jibes, and I state my case again, you are a liar to declaer u are happy alone without any underlying external factors for example are u a single parent who escaped from a physically and mentally abusive spouse? If yes then on such grounds can u declare that u are happy to be alone..having said that your vehement response shows that my statement hit close to home?
Meaning u are some sucker for love who got repeatedly used, while I do sympathize with u, you need to grow up and accept full responsibility on your part being that u where too immature to see the signs that your ex was wrong for u, instead u choose to see what u wanted to see and not what u needed to see, hence u got burned!!!
Now u are here trying to hold up the flag of being a self imposed lone ranger? Bah!!!
That's gibberish!!! U are a self delusional individual!
Not u, not anyone!! No one wants to be alone!!! But sometimes life makes them alone, because they are immensely flawed individuals who live in a false sense of grandiose instead of coming to terms with their flaws they delude themselves into thinking the fault is from everyone else but themselves.

Nut job!!!

I won't even dignify your baseness with an answer. Just goes to buttress what I said earlier....your arrogance knows no bounds....in your little world of Insanity, you've hastily generalized that every single person who is happy to be single is a product of an abusive relationship they escaped from.
You're not even worth the trouble it was giving birth to you...

emzila:
Your questions expose your ignorance, if you understand statistics rather than just knowing it, you would have known that I don't need to go round Nigeria to substantiate my statement.

And to think that you're full if understanding of statistics to allow selection bias, information bias and confounding bias to influence your outcome... as hilarious and stupid as you sound, I begin to realise the cocoon of a world that you live in. You don't need to go round Nigeria to substantiate your statement, you just need to live in your little goldfish bowl where all the singles or married you know are unhappy.
If you don't realise what you said is complete bollocks, you don't even deserve attention, talk less of a response...

Great write up.
I sincerely believe that prolonging the present number of years is not really the answer to the problem. The Medical school curriculum in Nigeria at present is still one of the best worldwide. Because the Nigerian medical student has better hands on experience than many other places. Clinical students interact with patients more than most other places. Even leading medical schools worldwide have restrictions on what medical students can do. And the Clinical oriented medicine thought in the schools, though overly influenced by the Western Biomedical model of curative medicine is still patient oriented and not disease oriented like other parts of the world.
We may not have state of the art facilities in our teaching hospitals, we may not be able to do expensive and miracle tests in our laboratories, but on any day, put a Nigerian medical student with another one from anywhere, and give them patients to diagnose and you will see the difference. The art of differential diagnosis is well taught that any Nigerian medical student worth his salt will function well outside the shores of the country. And we see it everyday.
The problem with Nigeria is not the medical school curriculum. It is rather the way medical schools are rum and the criteria for admissions that has been watered down.
Incessant strikes in the health and education sectors bring a multiplier effect on the training of medical students, since they are doubly under the two systems. Then, medical schools are overpopulated. You cannot run a medical school the way you will run an Accountancy class. Hands on experience and tutoring and mentoring by seniors require smaller classes.
Then, medical education anywhere in the world is not cheap. If our government is still bent on subsidizing education, they should do it well and better.
In the aspect of training, what the Postgraduate Medical Colleges and the Medical and Dental Council should do, is to formulate a program to extend training of doctors, not medical students.
Nigeria does not have enough doctors for very many reasons. Not the reason for tthis discussion. But at the same time, the quality if doctors should improve every time. Medicine is a profession where learning is lifelong. I will prefer a system where the minimum requirement for independent practise is Specialist in Family Medicine. This is not impossible. It just means that we need to improve the present structure of hospitals and health centres. The present dearth of doctors in Nigeria will however make this difficult. But it's not a one day or one year job. It will require a lot of restructuring.
For this to be achieved, there should be more delighting of responsibilities to other healthcare staff. Nurses should be made to take decisions more often and contribute more to the care of patients. They should be allowed to take on tthe more routine tasks of junior doctors as much as possible. This doesn't mean they are a threat to doctors. I know this may not sit well with a lot of people because of the present state of interprofessional rivalry in the health sector in Nigeria. But it's the inevitable way forward.
Of course, strict regulations will continue to guide the actions of everyone in the health sector. And accountability will be the order of the day.
For now, I think we should just first concentrate on improving the present deplorable state of healthcare delivery in Nigeria, by pressing ffor the implementation of Participatory UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE

lestat:
That's an obvious lie, it's best known to you why you chose to lie to yourself but what's even worse is the fact u are actually believing the lie you have told yourself

And you display such arrogance. You should listen to yourself. When you make such silly comments here, it makes one wonder what planet you come from. Where you tell somebody you've never met before that they are lieing about what they know about themselves. I can as well say you're lieing to your self that you're not insane. Yeah...it's the same calibre of statement. How do you know you're sane? I want to tell you that you're lieing to yourself if you think you're sane.
Do you understand the gravity of such statements?
Pls, if you don't understand something, either request for adequate explanation, or keep quiet about it. Your knowledge about a particular persons life, especially one you don't know can never be complete enough to make such atrocious statements.
Are you his creator? Are you there with him in the middle of the night when he's alone? Are you there in his mind or with him in the closet?
Just limit yourself to your limitations.....tthey are present to keep you in check so that you do not make evil assumptions where there are none....

Obamedo:
Thank you for your comments, what an intelligent post!

I have been reading through several ignorant posts and shaking my head, so the poor nurse should use her salary to save your life because you, Mr Stranger, your life is more precious than the life of her child at home?
You are just number 101 of 1000 emergencies she will see that month, should she pay for all of them? dying or not. everyone feigns poverty in nigeria, nobody want to pay for anything so because it is human life it should be free?
Does the Nurse live in a free house, get free food, free rides to work?

If you live in Nigeria and you don't make provision for health emergencies you deserve what you get!
Tell the market woman to give you free garri to save your life, afterall hunger can lead to death

Thank you jare. Most people here really don't know what's going on. They don't even know what to ask for.

allycat:
It is sad, when I graduated half my class left the country. None could understand why I stayed behind. Do I regret it ? No but I am done, I have given all I have left in me. Before the system turns me into a bitter, mean person frustrated with myself and life. I have since heard that 2 other collegues are leaving too, in fact as we speak one of the teaching hospitals has lost its only heart surgeon, another hospital has lost its only ENT surgeon who also resigned, they are still begginghim to reconsider, But not to worry I am sure Indian doctors are lining up struggling to come to Nigeria to take up from the useless Nigerian doctors and I guess they are soo good they will treat for free sef.

You're right on point. I know about the cases you've listed above. There was even one recent one about a surgeon that resigned and left the country last August from a state hospital in Ogun. I heard he was the only one in his field in the busy general hospital. Understaffed and underequiped. The physicians and surgeons who came back to Lagos from the diaspora on the promise of Fashola in 2007 have mostly returned shamefacedly back to their adoptive countries....they cannot stomach the decadence in the health sector.
The way forward is Participatory and responsible UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE. I will keep saying it. And the forum for that is not Nairaland. We need to take the battle up with our leaders. If we do, we can make a difference.

dicefrost:
I have read quite a handful of stories about unfortunate and preventable deaths in our hospitals, both private and public. Some have touched me personally, especially when it involves a pregnant woman, or a young promising life like the uniport student. For anyone who has been a victim, no amount consolation would be enough to pacify the pain of losing a loved one. As a nurse, i have seen this scenario play out time and again, to the point that i have grown thick skin, but i still feel deeply for anyone who has lost a loved one in death. Death is usually more painful when it could have been avoid. But in Nigerian hospitals, avoidable deaths tend to be more common. Believe me, only a few actually come to public knowledge. And when it does, one set of healthcare professionals are often at the receiving end of the vituperation and opprobrium it generates ; The NURSES!. They are the easiest to vilify, and push around. Often times, we only hear one side of these stories, that is the deseased's side, or in rare cases we hear the side of the hospital management. This article is not meant to exonerate nurses from all blame, (sometimes they are directly responsible) it is meant to tell one of such stories from the nurse's angle.

If we look at these stories carefully with an open mind you would discover one major problem in our hospitals, and that is lack of equipments. Like in the case of the upth student, the problem was lack of bed space. We only heard the story from one side, and we vilified the nurses and doctors, and berated them for not finding an alternative. Well i wasn't at upth, so i have no idea what really happened. But i have lost a patient in similar fashion before, and i was almost beaten up by the patient's relatives, so i can relate. In my own case, we were only two nurses on duty, myself and another nurse who was pregnant at the time. We were covering the emergency and labour ward together.

The patient in question arrived with his family members, he was in obvious distress, but his condition did not seem life threatening at the time. Myself and my colleague were both in the labour room, trying to deliver a baby with breech presentation, an extremely risky procedure. When i heard their shout for attention, i left my colleague alone to handle the delivery (which was risky) in order to attend to the new patient. There was no bed space, so i simply spread a blanket on the ground for him to lie on. The family members protested, but i had neither the time nor the patience to explain and negotiate with them. I explained our admission procedure to them, told them to pay for a card, and purchase the A&E kit. Once again, they protested that they had no money. I explained to them that given the fact that he had been vomiting and stooling, he would need i.v infusion immediately. I put a call across to the doctor on call, who was equally busy, and headed back to the labour room.

After about 30 minutes, the doctor arrived. The family had not purchased the A&E kit, neither had they paid for a card. So he referred them to a teaching hospital and left for the theater. They called me out a few minutes later, this time one of them had an i.v infusion with him, which he had gone to buy from a local chemist that night. They begged me to give him the infusion. I explained to them that the hospital policy does not permit me to insert a canula into a patient's vein, hence they have to wait for the doctor. I left them again, and called the doctor to inform him. The doctor came back, and insisted that they should go to the teaching hospital.

About thirty minutes later, i heard a loud shout, and rushed out to see what was happening. Behold, our patient was unconscious, and almost not breathing. I advised the family to quickly take him to the teaching hospital, because we do not have equipments to resuscitate him. They requested for an ambulance and someone to accompany them. There was a problem, we only had one ambulance driver, and he doesn't work night shifts, and more so we had no personnel to spare for the trip. All hell broke loose, the family members began to shout and make threats. I had to hide my head. I left them and went back to the labour room. I did not hear from them again that night, until the morning after when hoodlums invaded the hospital, bearing matchets and sticks. I scaled the hospital fence and got away. The doctor and the morning nurses weren't so fortunate, they vandalised cars and beat them up.

The boy died, but the story that was circulated was that " because they had no money, the wicked nurse refused to attend to them, and left them to go and sleep elsewhere. When they even bought drip from a chemist, the wicked nurse refused to give their son the drip, insisting that they must buy from the hospital." No one considered the fact that the overworked nurse was busy handling another delicate situation, and could not focus attention on a patient who has not been admitted. Now you must be wondering, since it was an emergency, why did we not just attend to the patient and worry about the money later? My answer; HOSPITAL POLICY. If i admit the patient, and use the hospital's consumables without the patient paying for it, the bill would be subtracted from my salary, after i am issued a query. If the bills of 3 or 4 patients are subtracted from my salary, how much would be left?. The best i could do was to refer them to the teaching hospital, where they ll receiving free emergency treatment for 24 hours before payment.

Now, let us examine the most recent case. When the man arrived with his wife, the nurses told him straight away to go to igando general hospital, because there was no doctor. But he refused, insisting that the hospital was too big not to have a doctor on call. But it is very possible that the hospital may have only one doctor, who cannot work for 24 hours. I have seen such scenarios alot. There are unreasonable restrictions placed on nurses in nigeria today, our scope of practice is unjustly limited. Hence, when a nurse refuses to touch a patient, she is probably afraid of crossing a line and indicting herself. So when there is no doctor, and the hospital policy prevents the nurse from doing what he/she knows, what do you expect the nurse to do?. That was probably why the nurses insisted that he take his wife to igando. But the man stubbornly carried his wife into the hospital himself. When he insisted, the nurses probably out of pity cautiously did the little they could do without crossing a line, which was obviously inadequate.

When he agreed to go, the nurses did not have the key to the ambulance, maybe the ambulance driver was not on duty! Again, the nurses did not want to accompany him, probably because they were already understaffed and overbooked, and had no one to spare. Do we know how many nurses where on duty? What about the doctor who arrived late? It is also possible that he is the only doctor in the hospital, and works 8 to 4pm like everyone else. If he leaves his house at all that night, he is only doing you a favour, he is not paid to work at that time. It sounds cruel, but that is the truth.

When he got to igando, there was no bed space! Are the health workers to blame for that? Peharps, while he waited for what seemed like an eternity, the nurses were frantically making efforts to secure a bed space for the patient. And then the money issue came, which i have already dealt with.

I can assure you of one small truth. The issue will be swept under the carpet, because if it is investigated constructively, the blame will fall largely on the government. Our health sector is in shambles, it needs massive investment, in terms of man power and infrastructure. Until this happen, we cannot continue to heap all the blame on our hardworking doctors and nurses. They are just like the soldiers sent to confront boko haram without weapons. They deserve our sympathy, not insults. When next a nurse in a public hospital seem not to perform to your expectation, it may be because her hands are tied!




Lalasticlala, dominique, give us a chance to defend ourselves

Dear Nurse,
You have done a most unpardonable thing. That's the only fault I have for you. Do yu know what your sin is? YOU BROUGHT THIS TO NAIRALAND!!!!! Haba! This kind topic on Nairaland? I'm so disappointed. You have no idea what you've done.
You think people are are any reasonable or can judge something with reason? I am sure you didn't come here to look for sympathy for yourself or the Healthcare workers. I am sure your intention was to shed some light on the difficulties of working in a hospital. But you have just come to the wrong place.
A herbalist doesn't take counsel from market women forum. A clergyman has no preaching to do in a beer parlor. When you bring such an issue to a forum of I'll informed people with no inkling about the sorry state of health care delivery in Naija, this is what you get. Exactly this.
Meanwhile, for everyone that has commented on this matter, good or bad, authoritatively or iill-informed, witnesses or hearsay, your comments have been seen. Before you leave this forum, ask yourself....what have you contributed in a way to make sure Healthcare delivery improves in Nigeria?
The answer to Healthcare delivery is Participatory and responsible UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE. It's a huge and daunting task that may never see the light of day in Nigeria, because even the baseline infrastructure that will allow it to work are not available.
The strongest variable that correlates with greatest statistical significance with the standard of living in any nation is availability of Universal Healthcare coverage. Not GDP. Not population. Not democracy. Not even freedom of speech or any of the other fundamental things. Definitely not how religious the country is.
So, dear OP.....kindly let's take this conversation elsewhere....there is a better way to make Nigeria a better place than discussing such an issue here where the only responses you read are OVERWHELMINGLY negative.

alterswerve:
You are quite right, but nobody said being single is better. The OP didn't say that. But you are very wrong when you said that whether fake or not, being married is better.
These are the points laid
1. Don't stigmatise unmarried people
2. Don't force them into marriage
3. Not every married person is responsible and happy. Not every single person is irresponsible and unhappy. The state are mutually exclusive
4. Marriage, though good, isn't the most important thing in life


My own point
1. If you focus on your life's purpose while single or divorced, at times you might just feel like you need someone to talk to, to share things with, but when you start working on your life's purpose again, you'll forget all that... Along the way, you might find someone, but if you don't, that you are doing what God intended for you is more than enough consolation.

Been actually livid with anger at the post of many people on this matter. But now I see there are people with greater minds and better hearts.
My point all along!!! It's a live and let live world. Marital status and quality of life should not be confused. Marital status and mental status should also not be confused. Do not insinuate that your view about life is better than mine. You can suggest a better way, but let it be out of love and respect for my way of life and decisions. Anybody who is bashing the institution of marriage needs to have their head examined. Am sure no single person in their heart of hearts will think that marriage is evil for everybody. But the converse is also true! I may be single by design or accident. That is none of your business. It only becomes your business if I aproach you for advice. Then and then only can you make it your life ambition to move heaven and earth on my behalf. But when such attention and unsolicited advice comes from just any Tom Dick or Harry, it can drive a man insane.
And if you think that I cannot bbe responsible because of my marital status, you really have to redefine your idea of responsibility. If you feel I cannot add value to you because I'm single or divorced or a widower or separated, it's your loss, not mine.
If I'm good at what I do, and I'm happy and contented with my way of life, then, you are nothing more than a monster to decide your way is better than mine. ....not even when the "god" that you think you serve has prescribed your way for you!

LEGALAide:
read the caption well.
The op used three adjectives to wit: ghastly, deadly and then fatal.
Observe that the op wrote "fatal accident" in inverted commas.
This shows that he's not talking about the so-called standard usage but the real usage.
Going by the dictionary meaning of ghastly and deadly, a reader must conclude that the accident led to no death.
The front page caption read GHASTLY.
The other caption read deadly.
Then right inside the body of the article of news the op used "fatal accident".
What does that tell you?
Oga relax jare.
Buy a dictionary!

lolz.....
I see what you mean now. But that was quite misleading. The inverted commas will refer to the colloquial meaning of the phrase, I understand. The Op was merely quoting verbatim the article, copy-and-paste method. Thus, the accusations should go to the original article. Which makes it more interesting. People should learn to use the right diction. These are standard phrases in daily usage, that connote standard meanings.

deeptesting:
I am married but separated you need to see the treatment i was accorded in Church. The pastor called out all the men to wait for further discussion on an issue and i joined the crew as a man who is above youthful age.. Low and behold they separated us, single men, separated or divorced and held their meeting and never called back to put us on the know on the outcome as promised.

So i assumed their definition of a 'man" is that which is married and living with his wife and children.. Well, life is too short to hang on to the uneccessary so i quit the church.

Now searching for a new place where Jesus Christ the non discriminator is present.

Brother, do not be discouraged.
We fall into this issues when we look at people and not at Jesus Christ our Lord and saviour.
One of my friend used to say : Everybody follows Christ except Christians. Christians have lost their way. The Christians of Act 11:26 have ceased to exist. By that your church's standards, Jesus himself was not a man. And Paul was not a man. And James and John sons of Zebedee were not men. Because at the beginning and peak of their ministries, they were not married.
Please, put your faith in God and do not trust the doctrine of men. Be like Christ. And look for that real church, where God is worshippped in Spirit and in Truth.

Tamakay:
My eyes were in a cursory mood looking for where u will tell us how old u are but I couldn't find it. But later towards d last paragraph of ur post u made it clear that my waiting to know ur age bracket is inconsequential because u said u don't care even if u dont get married. You have a point in ur post no doubt but I think it is very irresponsible when a guy/lady at 37yrs working and not thinking about marriage and u want ur parents or friends to keep quiet. Your last two paragraphs almost mar ur beautiful observations. If one read meaning to it one can easily say u are lamenting or regretting. So by rating ur post vis -a vis ur mood ur post is 75% dissuading and I pray some gullible singles/unmarried youths don't take ur ideas hook, line and sinker because ur post as I have said before is more damaging than repairs.

You see, that is the whole point of the post. Nobody has said that people should not give advice. It is the way you insinuate that if I am not married by the age of 50yrs, that I don't have any reason to live for, is the annoying thing. Read the post very well, what brought it up was the statement by the pastor cum false prophet that said that married women should not be friends with single women. That is outright stigmatization. And look at the post of everyone that has commented in their experience about being single, their experience is that of stigmatization. It is totally different from advice.
And I am not sure that anyone can give another person ideas that can be taken hook line and sinker about NOT GETTING MARRIED on nairaland...that's quite funny....its not only gullible, it is stupid and retarded...
The moral is this. People are married, good enough for them. People are single, good enough for them. If you want to give advice to someone about their marital status, give it in a civilized manner, the same way you will give them an opinion about their religion or their ethnicity.

LEGALAide:
something could be fatal, yet someone could come out unscathed!
Some diseases are fatal, but not everyone dies after suffering from such fatal diseases.
Fatal means: that can cause death.
That accident above can cause death.
But nobody died this time around.
It is fatal anyway.
Op is correct my guy!

Oga......there are standard definitions and expressions, you cannot just explain them in your own terms....
An accident is fatal when someone DIES in it, not when it could have CAUSED somebody to die.....lolz
Make I no send you go read grammar oooooo!

emzila:
ALL I KNOW IS THAT ABOUT 80% OF SONGLE, MATURED AND WORKING INDIVIDUALS ARE REALLY NOT OK BEING SINGLE, SO YOU CAN GO ON AND CONSOLE YOURSELF WHILE DECEIVING THE LADIES.

I think I am getting tired of this kind of bullshit. Where did you get your statistics from? Did you carry out a Population survey of single people in Nigeria to determine your outcome? And what is the social validity of your statistic in the life of the individual single Nigerian?
Please, you can put forward your opinion, but do it in such a way that you will be listened to, and maybe reasoned along with. Your marital status is not the basic indication of your happiness, your quality of life is. Single or married, if you have a poor quality of life, you cannot be OK.

deracathy:
married-single feud.

Actually, it isn't like that.
But you see, it is very very irritating when people believe what they have is the only way in life.
It's EXACTLY the same as religious or ethnic bias.
Married people are happy, but some married people are also unhappy. Some single people are happy, but some single people are also unhappy. That is the way life is. There should be no feud.
it is just irritating when some people feel they have a monopoly on happiness, and if you don't have happiness their way, you are nothing.

lastpage:
Get a Husband and stop ranting here!

Yes, married women deserve a lot of respect and will always be accorded that due respect than on you over-aged "Agadi Nwanyi" that is playing around, jumping from one bed to another, all in the name of civilisation!

If you like, go to court and say you are not respected like a married woman.
Infact, you are considered not yet responsible, since you are yet to get married.
Who are you "responsible towards"? Your wife? Your husband? Your children?

Oh, l forgot, you many boyfriends/Girlfriends, right?
Who will even put you in sensitive position when they know that you can "bail-out" at anytime since you have no "family responsibilities"?

Like l said, if e dey pain you, charge me to court.

Married and Proud of it. Just see my "ring finger"!



Lastpage!

You're married, is your prerogative, not mine. I am single is my prerogative, not yours. And please, don't insult me by saying I am jumping from one bed to another. You could have been doing that when you were single. You could still be doing the same as a "married" person. That does not mean every single person must be lawless and loose like you. And even if they are, how does that concern you?
You are married and proud of it, good for you!!! Congratulations!! The crux of the post is that you don't have to be in my face about being single. Live your life, and let me live mine. I did not come to you for advice about how to live my life.
I often wonder why people do not get that into their understanding. You cannot judge other people by the way you live your life, or how you "expect" life to be lived. It just doesn't work that way!!!!

trishapal:
Even before I got to the point where the op expressly mentioned it, I already knew he (or most probably SHE) was single and 'unhappy' but pretending to be satisfied. Marriage is a program of God so I don't think anyone should arrogantly explain themselves out for not falling in line with that program. Some unhappy singles instead of talking to God to fulfill His purpose for their lives, resort to self-pride, praising their status in public but weeping in their closets. About people 'prying' into your privacy, you need to know that in Africa, or let me say Nigeria, anyone who says 'it is my life' is not always right - we haven't reached that stage. Very few may talk about your status to mock you but many mean well for you. No matter your achievements, except if God exceptionally does not want you to get married, you need to know that you are not where you should be. And if your petty 'achievements' have gotten into your head that you now think or talk less about marriage, you need some people around you to 'beat' you into order...

ite funny

Quite surprising that someone in their right minds in this present day and age will write something as stupid as this. And you're so blind and daft to reason that people can decide how to live their lives. You are the kind of disease that affects the society in the name of saving face, that allows women to be in a loveless marriage that is killing them. You are the cankerworm eating deep into the lives of many people, making them live a life that is untrue to their inner feelings. Ok. So, it is the determination of your own interpretation of "God" that will decide who gets to marry and who does not? How opinionated and long winded your argument is! I cannot but weep for the kind of "children" that you propose to bring into the world, if at this stage of your life, you are as redundant, archaic, parochial and totally patronizing as you portray in this post.
And what my achievements to you may be petty, that is your own cup of tea. That is what people who are jealous of my achievements say, because they cannot achieve what I have achieved now in their lifetime. You are actually the one unhappy, praising your status in public but weeping quietly in your closet. All because of your views about how people tend to want to live their lives.
Really, you are entitled to your views. I am entitled to mine also. You have no right to ask that your "slave-to-the-society" mentality be "beaten" into me.
And to that pastor who said that the married women in his church should not befriend the single women, he is worse than an accursed person, because he is misleading the children of God in his care. You know what Jesus said, He said it is better for a millstone to be tied around his neck and thrown into the river, than for him to mislead the flock of Christ.
Some people will get married. Some people will be single. Some people will remain single and childless all their lives BY CHOICE. Some people will die childless BY CHOICE. It is none of your business how others want to run their lives. It is not your life. And the earlier you understand that, the better your interpersonal relationship with single people will be.

tommenoh:
Dont play to the gallery, with words that have no cintext:ur use of d word "fatal",is misplaced. It actually refers to an accident with fatalities ie, incurring death. Since u were prudent euf to let us know, 'no deaths occurred, then y use 'fatal accident '?

Abi o.....Nairalanders and ignorantly displayed sensationalism....he obviously wanted to use a better adjective to communicate the seriousness of the crash

So, what exactly is your point, poster?
What is wrong with that piece of advertisement? What should the pastor of the church be punished for? And who told you the Nigerian military has a copyright on camouflage uniforms?
Pls do not display your ignorance on social media like that. If they want to arrest him, then they must go and arrest the film makers for using military uniforms on their films, or costume shops for selling military camouflage uniforms.
Pls, there is nothing wrong with an aadvertisement as long as he is not parading himself as a military man. There is no law against such advertisement, the same way there is not a military rule that criminalize civilians wearing camouflage. He commits an offense under the military code of ethics, of impersonation only if he wears the green uniform complete with the insignia of any rank of the military, including the olive, the eagle, the stars or the regimental badge.
You could have as well said that the Congolese military or the US military should come and arrest him.
Pls, let us not whip public sentiment on a matter tthat is wrongly passed across.
Thank you

Scenario: Not guilty by reason of Insanity. Has anyone considered that judgement if the girl faces a court trial?

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