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stev872:
Thanks for your response. How about a student from Nigeria. What documents are required

- You will need your transcripts/diploma from the school(s) you previously attended
- Your test scores - TOEFL, GMAT or GRE, or LSAT (depending on the program you are going for - But TOEFL is required for all)
- Proof of financial support - Your parents, or whoever is sponsoring you, would need to provide their bank statement/reliable financial sources. Means that they should have jobs/businesses that experience steady flow of income which can support a dependent abroad, and themselves, wherever they live
- Form 1-134: Affidavit of support to be completed by your sponsor. Get it from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security website
- Obviously, your Form I-20, provided by the school where you plan to study
- Proof of relationship to your sponsors. If they are your parents, your birth certificate would be required to prove it.
- Proof that you will return home after your studies. This is the tricky part for young students who have no property/ties to their home. However, your demeanor, confidence, and how 'non-desperate' you are during the interview, would go a long way in the Officer not writing you off. If you can confidently discuss why you want to go for that degree, how it will benefit your future career, your plans to return home and set up a business/join a home company etc, this would help.

stev872:
Can anyone advice me on F1 visa applicant procedure and likely interview questios

Proof of ties to your home country. That is the central question. What do you have in your country of origin that will undoubtedly make you return once you are done with school?

- If you are married, and your spouse will remain in the country of origin, that is one good tie. Children, that are enrolled in school.
- A house/property with title deed.
- A job in your home country, with letter from the employer that you will return upon completion of studies (even better if the employer is the one sponsoring the travel).
- Bank account(s) with substantial funds - Preferably not 'fluffed up" within the last few months, but contains a steady inflow of money, historically - Could be your sponsor's account
- A sponsor who is financially viable enough to pay for the entire course of study
- Your age - If you are older than mid twenties, don't apply for a bachelor's program abroad
- Your past education - Do you have a similar degree already? Then there is no logic in applying for the same type of program abroad
- A different degree: If you are going for a more advanced degree program than the one you already have, you must be able to tell the Consulate how this advanced degree will benefit the qualifications you already have.

These are some basic questions and answers you should be prepared for.

bigmodo:
Make una quit talking too much. I want you people to use your money and help me so i can travel outside. I no hole at all. Shi shi no gum me. Use your money and help a guyman like me. When i get there i go pay una back abeg. I go die ooo

News flash, dude.

First, you are not entitled to complete strangers 'using their money' to help a grown man like you who appears to throw temper tantrums on an Internet message board.

Secondly, there is no amount of money that will help you if you don't have a genuine reason for going abroad that will convince any Consulate to give you a visa. You may 'use' someone's bank statement, since a lot of fraudulent 'visa agents' advertise it on Nairaland (stupid, by the way) - But if you are (1) uneducated (2) unskilled (3) without work experience (4) no real family or 'friends' abroad - What reason would you give the Consulate in order to get a visa? Holiday? Sponsored by a complete stranger/'uncle or aunty'?
You know that the Consulate might ask for evidence of the relationship, right? Would you use fake documents for that too? You realize that it will come back to bite you in the behind? (This goes for all those who are rejoicing that they made it abroad by fooling the Consulate with fake papers).

Maybe you should consider getting a degree or certificate in Nigeria for now, plus saving money for future travel, as opposed to wasting so much time begging people to get you out of Nigeria - That way, you can go abroad for a masters or Ph.D or legitimate business travel, with dignity.

phil2009:
Can somebody advice me on this topic, i graduated ten years ago in niger based here with my family in europe for past 4years, i intend relocating to canada in the nearest future, have not gotten my legal status yet in europe but have gotten admissions to a college in canada, and i have all resources to sponsored myself while in canada, will canadian embassy in niger grant me a visa or should i stay put here until my legal status is given to me, i dont know what to do. your kind advice will be high welcome, thanks guys

phil2009:
thanks my brother, am asy seeker, i dont know my fate yet almost 4 years ago

@Phil2009,

If what you are trying to do is apply for Canadian permanent residency from Europe, you can do it only IF you were legally admitted into Europe on a visa that has a duration of one year or more.
If you arrived in Europe illegally, you will have to return to your home country to apply for Canadian permanent residence from there.

If you have a strong asylum claim in Europe, better to stay there and obtain a legal status than move at this time.

Disclaimer: This is not legal advice.

This is not an insult o - But Modo, it seems that you have the IQ of a 5 year old.

Last time I heard someone threatening to 'run away' or do something equally stupid (if Mommy or Daddy did not meet their demands) was when listening to a 5 year old child.

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  I can't think of a proper response. Wait, I got one.
Are you a slowpoke?

awoll:
hi everyone, i'm new on nairaland even though i have always followed reviews, i must say i am not one of those do or die wannabe travellers but i applied for a uk visa( the workingholiday maker precisely which is usually 2years) in august last year, i was denied the first time on grounds that i submitted photocopies which wasn't so true,

i reapplied a second time after a while-- in 0ctober, and this time, adding original documents from my sister(is a british citizen) in the uk including scanned coloured copies of her passport data page, driving license, then submitted originals of her mortgage deeds and ownership, payslips, utility bills -electricity, water and phone), bank statements, employment details, invitation letter and filled form of sponsorship, my dad's bank statement and tax receipts, evidence of property, i also included my bank statement, school id card( i had recently graduated before the first application) and a letter from my HOD in school confirming that i had indeed just finished and still had a period of two years in which at its end, i must ultimately have completed the compulsory NYSC program as stipulated by the Nigerian government, i wanted to visit my sister for a while then work while there to help out.

The WHM consists of two years in which any1 granted will have the opportunity of being on an extended holiday primarily, take incidental work during the first year then solely be on holiday the second year, i understood the terms and complied genuinely,

I was denied the second time,

REASON: 1. I wouldn't be able to accomodate myself on getting there which might end me up on seeking on recourse of public funds even though my older sister has a house there.

2.i was only going for three months after which i'd return to complete my course( note:i submitted a copy of my notification of result)

3.that i didn't give proper circumstances of my family in nigeria.

and some other baseless reasons that i can't quite remember, Wisely, i was given the right to an appeal,

The problem now is i filed for the appeal 2 days before it was posted on their website (www.ukvac-ng.com) that some visa categories had been scrapped off, , including that which i applied for, the new development actually wasnt posted immediately but i noticed the decision was taken two days after i filed for my appeal officially with my sister as my representative,

she has been given a date for hearing in february but will it be possble that i get this visa even though it has been scrapped off-- assuming we ultimately win?

please advise on this one,

THANKS

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Your best bet would be to contact the UK authorities or ask your sister to visit a consulate there to obtain details. She (or you) would need to find out if the decision to scrap your visa category is retroactive i.e. Will the decision affect visa applicants that had already applied for the visa before the date that the visa got discontinued? If retroactive, then you would not be able to go ahead with the visa category you applied for.

Dadahead:
Hi Everyone,  I am new here. I'm a UK-born Nigerian and semi-estranged from my family.  My family only tend to contact me when they want something (be it stuff purchased for them in the UK and shipped to Nigeria, money etc).  I received a voicemail today saying I 'urgently' needed to contact a certain relative in Nigeria.  When I did not contact that relative within 5 minutes, I received another call again saying I must contact the relative on an urgent matter.  I feared someone had died or was in jail or something.

I called Nigeria.  It was one of my cousins who wants to travel to the UK for the first time for a holiday in a few months.  She says she needs a Letter of Invitation from a British citizen before she can be granted the visa.  She said I am the only person who can provide this letter.  I pointed out to her that I am not the only British citizen in the family.  In fact there are dozens of us who hold UK passports and my cousin has closer relatives than me (ie, she has her brother) who reside in the UK and hold UK passports.  Why me? - I asked.  She then said I am the only one who is organized enough and reliable enough to write the letter properly and send in all the required documents.  What required documents? - I asked.  She then casually says that I need to provide a copy of the data page of my passport, a utility bill, my tenancy agreement as well as the letter of invitation.  I would need to send all this info directly to her.  At this point I began to feel a little uneasy.  Some members of that branch of the family have been caught up in shady stuff like fraud, drug trafficking etc.  I said I didn't really feel comfortable and also said couldn't she get her brother to do it.  She said again her brother could not be relied upon to know how to use a photocopier or scanner or whatever in order to scan and email or fax these docs to her (strange considering her brother is an educated professional).  I then came up with an idea:  the brother can write the letter and provide his own documentation and I'll show him how to scan it and email it!  She didn't like this idea, again claiming that I am the only one who must do this.

So my questions are:  are all these docs really needed just for a Nigerian citizen to come to England for a short vacation?  Is it safe with all the identity fraud that goes in the world, to have such confidential docs floating around?  With these docs somebody could open fake accounts in my name left right and centre. 

Also, my family is very dysfunctional and as I said borderline-criminal.  They've frequently asked me to get involved in dodgy practices like marrying a man for money just so he can get his UK passport, couriering suitcases for them that they claim contain clothes and gifts, 'investing' £1000 into some business for them when they can't specify what the nature of the 'business' is etc etc.   There are also constant requests for me to take out bank loans in my name for them or put stuff on my credit card for them and they'll pay me back later.  They do try to take advantage of the fact I'm the only person in the entire family who can obtain a bank account or credit card (they've abused banking facilities so much that they can no longer get accounts in their own names)

How does this latest visa proposition sound to you?  Should I decline to help and thus upset and outrage the entire family?

@Dadahead:

Ditto what Siena and Treetop20 said. Sounds like your instinct has already kicked in, and you pretty much know that you will be entering this 'situation' at your own risk. Look at it this way: If providing these papers for this fair-weather relative will jeopardize your credit/financial situation (e.g. fraud), your reputation, or your peace of mind (keeping an eye on a relative whose motive you do not know, for visiting the UK), then I see no reason why you need to debate on whether to provide them papers or not.

Sounds to me that you are not missing out on any 'family love' from them if they decide to stop 'talking' to you because you declined getting manipulated.

livin:
please what is the cost of a ticket to canada?

Did you try doing a Google search, or checking the website of the airline you are interested in flying with?

KLM is about 2200 U.S. dollars from Lagos to, say, Toronto, Canada, at the moment. Prices change depending on the season you plan to travel (peak or non-peak), or the airline.

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Make up your mind, bro.

Your other thread mentions assistance needed to the U.K. Pick a destination and run with it.

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Nimshi:
Hope you don't consider that to be a positive thing; isn't there something familiar about gods and worshippers relishing the flow of blood and the smell of death? The Aztecs would hold out a pulsing human heart to the sun; that's nothing I'll suppose, to mass extermination of people who don't agree with you; or, is it?

O, c'mon! God has no choice? God, no choice? That's insulting to the Almighty. Aren't you shortening his hand? Aren't you underestimating His imagination? It's unworthy of any Christian to paint God as having no choice. when Moses reasoned with God about mass murder, God changed his mind. No, it's not the choice of those to be exterminated; the responsibility must be put firmly where it belongs: with the exterminators and those justifying the extermination.

Surely, there'll be something in between? This thing you've written here is against everything that's fair: just two firm results for a who lot of humans. What about those who had no option to choose: the child who died shortly after birth? The exceptional ones amongst us? Those who lived in lands who never heard of Jesus? Should it count if a baby was born to atheist parents? Or someone born into a Muslim home? Would your version of god factor these into the iron clad opposite rewards? Have you not made God in the image of the imagination of your own mind?

That's one hell of a punishment: death for humour; sounds like harsh, extreme and inhuman punishment. Why do you paint your god so? Surely, God has a better face; God couldn't be a bloodthirsty, unreasoning, death-threatening being; you're insulting God by painting him like a psychopath; that isn't God.

So, who's this person? God, or Satan, or Other?

So your version of god shouldn't be feared too; no?

Your conclusion is, again, premature; we'll hope your version of god is way more careful. Now, the Jesus of the OT appears to be a reasonable fellow, able to reason, and amendable to logic; heck, he had a decent conversation with Satan. So Jesus, unlike what you're mutating to in your responses, appears to be a person able to have a conversation without resorting to death threats; sounds like a swell guy to be around; how could a fellow like me refuse such company?

You have definitely misunderstood. No problem here with anyone serving God; nope. Heck, serve anything you want. Do it. But don't issue death threats to other humans; and it's unreasonable to project your version and interpretation of God on all of the universe; He is your God, and you have an image of his qualities; fine. Have a discussion, away with the death threats.

And, it's quite a shame that you're serving God because you don't want to be exterminated; God shouldn't like that very much.

It's all about life and death, right? We'll see what you guys will make of the earth when all the smart inventors and thinkers who don't believe in your faith are gone. Were God to have the time to read your comments, he'll be shaking his head and wondering what could have spurned the sort of confusion being spewed forth here.
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Well, Nimshi, I suppose I would have to write about each statement you quoted above, and expound on it a little more. However, I discern that it would be an exercise in futility. As I stated to atheists or God-mockers on this thread or other threads, let every man live as he deems fit. As I also wrote on another thread, for it is written, "They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts."

You state, your interpretation of what I wrote, that "God is bloodthirsty, a punisher, 'it's 'all about life and death', God has no choice, the exterminators are those justifying the extermination' etc. It takes longer than a few minutes on a board to discuss God. You can't break Him down into something that suits you, or suits what you would rather believe. I have not written anything that suits me. Before I became a believer, it suited me, of course, not to believe in God. But afterwards, I see that I am better off holding God in awe. Does this 'suit me'? I can attest that I am better off for it, and has nothing to do with suitability. If I am better off, then suitability is no longer an issue. The atheists call this 'tyranny.' Either God is a tyrant that you must believe in, or He has no power because He gives you the choice to believe or not. He can't be both, they say.

I ask - Why not? If He is all powerful, He can decide that He wants us to have a choice. Because it is within His all-powerful ability to do it. He can also decide that He doesn't want us to have choices i.e. We just have to blindly follow Him. But He didn't do that. Because He has the power to be a tyrant - Or to withhold Himself. When He withholds Himself by giving choices, don't mistake it for weakness. A Dad can decide to give his kid a small piece of chocolate after dinner. Or not. If he doesn't give the kid the choice to eat the chocolate, He is still the parent. If he tells the kid, "Go ahead, pick whatever chocolate flavor you want", that Dad is still the parent. Giving the kid a choice - Or going all tyrant on him, will not diminish the fact of the parenthood. It still amazes me that some argue that it is not possible for God to be both: Why not? He is bigger than what you think possible, so in that respect, you may never understand the puzzle, because you choose not to. It feels better not to, eh?

There is life - And there is death. This is one thing guaranteed to us all. What will happen to us all after death? Depends. Choices. Are people who mock God now, going to be separated from Him for eternity, 'exterminated'? YES. I did not make this up to suit me. Maybe one day, you will understand. Maybe you never will. Ostensibly, I may not even be able to finish discussing this thing of extermination into satan's domain in my lifetime.

I will address something you stated, however, because it covers everything you have written - The one related to people agreeing with me about the mass extermination. If you re-read the things I have written on these threads, you will note that I indicated that I do not care if the God- mockers believe in His existence or not (i.e. agree), or the destiny that is to come for those who shun Him. This is your prerogative. Believe. Or do not believe. It is not my place nor my concern to care about your decisions. I am a human living this Earth, saved by Jesus, changed to one who holds God in awe. I do not anticipate that I could spoon-feed you with the things I know or have seen about God, that made me bow in humility and admit - Yes: Jesus is Lord.

You also stated "So my (Omonla) version of God shouldn't be feared too?" You derived this from what I said about: 'So do not fear Hitler. He was a mere man.' Please re-read this sentence I wrote about Hitler. Or not. See if it sounds like I said God should not be feared. I cannot comprehend how you obtained that interpretation.

This one thing I do know - There are many people on here, who have a pompous, 'I-know-better' that there is no God, and I am more intelligent than the fools who choose to believe (their words, and their views, not mine, let me point out). To them I say: God speed. It is, however written: "The fool hath said in his heart: There is no God."

Finally, it IS about life and death. There is one thing certain for us all, on Nairaland, on Earth. We are all going to die one day. When, where, how, nobody knows. But I will not make you 'see things my way' i.e there is a God. It is not my way. It is truth. It is something you will have to see for yourself. Either in this life - Or when your life is over.

God speed, Nimshi.

huxley:
You are probably right that I am not smart enough, and I wonder whether that is what is hindering my understanding of the narrative.

As a smart person, the answers to these questions may come easily.  Alas not for me.  So could you please oblige me and relieve me of my lack of understanding, for is the only Christian thing to do.

Thanks for calling me a smart person. But you see, that is exactly what I am saying. I never called myself smart. I specifically indicated that we are both not smart enough for God. Again, depicts that your understanding is clouded. Just as your posts reveal that your reasoning is disdainful of all things Jesus and therefore, clouded. You are only trying to pick apart flawed logic to convince yourself of your way of life that does not include God. It is quite unfortunate.

If that is the case, why do you think I owe you a Christian duty to explain God? Like I said in previous threads to atheists/agnostics, I have no concern for your welfare, or whether you shun God. Whether you decide to believe or not does not diminish His existence, or Who He is.  It does not diminish my knowledge of His existence, a fact that will be lost on you because it is written, "They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts."

I do not spoon feed anti-God proponents on God's existence. I talk about what I know, and do not care if you try to feed off your darkened understanding with it. It will be a futile feeding on your part.

If you still have people telling you about Him, consider yourself fortunate, even in the midst of your mockery. There will come a time when you will no longer get that privilege in this life.

All the best with your search for Jesus' truth. Maybe you will find it before death.

Chrisbenogor:
Hello omonla,
For the sake of clarity lets define both terms.
Omnipotence, sometimes known as being all-powerful, refers to God's ability to do absolutely anything God wants. This characteristic is usually treated as implied from God's characteristic as absolute creator. If God is capable of creating all of existence (whether ex nihilo or ex deo), it is felt that it would be nonsensical to then assert that there are things beyond God's abilities. Any being capable of creating existence itself must therefore be capable of anything at all - right?
Omniscience, also sometimes known as being all-knowing, refers to God's ability to know absolutely everything. This characteristic is usually treated as a consequence of one of two ways in which God exists: either because God exists outside of time, or because God exists as part of time.
Lets agree on this so we both know we are saying the same thing.

I agree with the definitions, as mentioned previously. Omnipotence is an all powerful God. Omniscience is an all knowing God. Your earlier point was that if God was all these, why doesn't He stop evil?
My question would be: Since God is all powerful and all knowing, He would be in a better position to determine whether stepping in and obstructing one evil or the other would be a good idea in the eternal picture.
Since I do not have the wisdom of an Intelligent Being like God, I would not go there, with regards to why He would permit satan's evil in a sinful world. Thank God we still experience mercy, or it would be absolute chaos. Perhaps because certain humans that occupy said world prefer satan's ways to God's ways and, as it is written, the Lord "gave up such people to vile affections and degrading passions"?

You state that free will is an illusion. In other words, if one is predestined to be saved by Jesus, then those who mock God were already predestined to be condemned (your words). I will reiterate with a more simplistic model: Does your mind argue with you sometimes on whether you should have toast for breakfast, or cereal instead? Do you have a choice in the matter? Do you think God predestined you to have the cereal because you decided to have the cereal? Do you think I could decide to go to school and become an engineer, or drop out and become a drug junkie? Was I predestined to be a junkie, or did my own foolishness lead me astray? Will I blame God for my "predestined junkiness"?
Will I blame Him for "condemning me via predestination" to decide that He does not exist? And since God alone knows what I was predestined for, will I sit back and decide that because He knows, and I want to ignore Him, therefore, my predestination must be that I will be forever damned? This is your logic.

God knows whether you would have chosen to be a junkie or an engineer. But you completely miss the point when you argue that He gave no freewill to make that decision. He did. He knew the outcome. You didn't. You had the ability to decide the outcome. Acknowledge or shun God. You chose. He knows what your choice will be. But you will never know what He knows, hence the whole point behind using your free will to decide, and arriving at the outcome that He already knows from the beginning of time, will occur, but which He did not force on you. He knows of the day when a person will decide to accept Jesus or become an atheist. He saw it coming. But He did not push. You think He will use His all powerful, omnipotent ability to make a person believe in Him? Not going to happen. It is unfortunate for those who are sitting around and waiting for the big sign. Or using the big excuse of predestination.

Like I stated in an earlier post above, I don't care whether atheists/agnostics on this thread/board/planet choose to acknowledge God.

I do not 'convert' people. Not my problem. I am responsible for my own salvation and nobody else's. A person either acknowledges Jesus, or shuns Him.

That is all. Getting off here.

Chrisbenogor:
I mean that you experienced does not make God exist.

My experience is but a minuscule, minute component of faith in God. We can be alive today, and gone the next. Our experiences die with us. It does not determine God's continuing existence, or the fact of Jesus' gift of salvation. You get to learn that on your own. No, my experiences don't make God exist. He existed before I experienced Him.

However, live your life as you deem fit. This goes to the OP and supporters of the OP's position.

I do not believe in belaboring a point about God's existence. Perhaps, it would not be too late in life - or death - when realization hits. It would be too bad if your realization arrives at death.

I get off the bus here.

Chrisbenogor:
And you do realise that what you feel does not make it right and certainly does not hold for everyone?

Like I have said to people in the past: Your convictions will determine what holds true for you, and what does not.

As for my feelings/experience = My convictions, and has no bearing on what other people decide to believe, whether they are for God or against God.

Chrisbenogor:
@omonla
You still don't get it, you have the illusion that you could have chosen otherwise but that is only a mirage, you were never going to choose differently.
Do you know what it means to be all knowing? I guess not, but the characteristics of God don't match, they are contradictory. 
If God is all seeing (omniscient), all powerful (omnipotent) and all good (omnibenevolent), then: first of all Free will cannot exist because omniscience implies predestination, if God knows you have no choice. Secondly, evil in the world would be impossible because an omnibenevolent and omnipotent God by definition would not allow such a thing.

Is God willing to stop evil but not able, then he is not all powerful.
Is God able to stop evil but not willing, then he is not all loving.
Is God both able and willing to stop evil in the world, why does evil still abound in the world?
Is God neither willing nor able to stop evil, THEN WHY CALL HIM GOD?

Hi Chrisbenogor:

Actually, I understood what you were saying from your previous post. What you are driving at is that I am either destined for salvation or I am not, and I do not have a choice in the matter because God is omnipotent and omniscient. By being so powerful, we are all essentially His puppets.

No.

I guess we will have to go into the story of the struggle between good and evil. God is indeed omniscient and omnipotent. Then, there is satan. The enemy of God. The one whose pride relegated him from a Heavenly kingdom, to eternal damnation.
It is written, "For when this Priest (Jesus) had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, He sat down on the right hand of God. Since that time, He awaits for His enemies to be made His footstool."
It is also written, "We wrestle not against flesh and blood. But against principalities, powers, spiritual wickedness in high places."

God is all powerful. All knowing. But, the present world is currently satan's domain. And God waits. That is why babies can starve in Africa, or nations can rise against each other with nuclear weapons and blow each other up. The evil stems from the enemy of God that is struggling to gather up as much souls as he can take with him to the 'extermination' that I spoke of in my earlier posts. You may call this an illusion, as you have called other things I mentioned above. But God waits. Those snippets of mercy that we see from time to time when a plane doesn't crash-land, or some other disaster is averted - That would be God's grace that is still being revealed, even though satan is being permitted to wreck havoc on human's lives and circumstances at the moment. I have seen posts of how evil God must be, to allow such. Well, He's waiting.

If God is all powerful, all knowing, why would He permit the evil? As it is written, just like Adam and Eve ate the forbidden apple in Eden and God did not, in His 'Supreme Tyranny' stop them, which would have been your argument, He is permitting evil now because the situation is but for a short while. His enemies will be His footstool, for it is written. 

So, contrary to your post, I would declare that He is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent.

And then there is satan. The reason for the dichotomy that you have mentioned above.

Need to log off now.

Chrisbenogor:
@omonla
The way you think is a major problem for the world. Lets examine what you have said so far.
First of all you say your God is omniscient, which means that he is all knowing, he know when someone should be killed right?
If he is really all knowing then why do you think you really have a choice as to whether you will be exterminated with the rest of us that are doing good works but belief religion is bull shit. As it stands God already knew what you were going to post what you just did, you really had no choice but to do what God knows you will do, your free will is an illusion, God probably already knows that one day you will see reason not to believe and that you will be condemned with the rest of us. From what you said you have no choice.
Is the fools paradise you live in becoming clearer?

"Condemned with the rest of us"

Dude, those are strong words to say about yourself. But by your own admission, you believe that you are condemned. Lets run with this for a sec:
I will set the record straight by clarifying that I don't believe in religion. I believe in relationship with Jesus. Big difference. Religion is what you, and many others, have been arguing on this board. Has anyone stopped to think that if God created us in His own image, then He speaks, and loves, and relates, just like we do with fellow humans? Therefore, it is not about arguing whether Jesus is the 'right' religion or not. The question should be about the relationship, and why I would want to know God, not wrap Him around some religion.
Just a side note about your reference to religion above.

Next, you indicate I am in a fool's paradise. You say that I may see reason not to believe in God anymore, and become 'condemned with the rest of us'. Lets set the record straight on this as well.
It is written: "For God did not send His Son to condemn the world. But that the world, through Him, might be saved."

Note that the above says that God sent His Son for the WORLD. Not just Omonla. I am not the only one that God prepared salvation for. As a result, there must be some point where I would have had to make a choice on whether I want this Jesus.

I made a choice, THEN, I became one of those folks that God, like you said, already knew before time, would become saved. In that respect, you are right. He KNEW already, before I even made the choice, that I would pick Jesus. But did I know? Nope. And do YOU know what your destiny will be? Nah. Your argument is that there is no freedom of choice if God already knew. That argument does not fly. He knew before I decided, but He didn't force me to decide, did He?

See, I did have a choice. I chose not to be condemned. He knew that I would choose it. But He did not force the proverbial horse to drink the water, did He?

My choice.

Chrisbenogor:
So someone should believe in God because you 'experienced' something?

Oh my goodness gracious, no.

The experience is all your own.
I believe because of my own experiences. Anyone else can decide to believe based on their experiences. You do realize that experience encompasses witnessing other people's lives, as well as your own, of course?

Nimshi:
A mass extermination that'll make Adolf Hitler look like an amateur, eh? Well, your God and the Angels will have a ball, eh? And could we suppose there wouldn't be any Christians pleading with God for those humans experiencing constant torture? Uh; humans aren't what they used to be. When the Hebrew God decided that the Israelites had to die, shortly after their rescue from Egypt, there was a man who pleaded and reasoned with God about it, and God, being reasonable, saw reason.

It'll be just like the Hutus and Tutsis, or the usual killings in the North, when people turn on their neighbours; yet, in those dark times, you find some neighbours who would protect others at great personal risk. Wouldn't it be something to know that some of your neighbours and friends would be continuously tortured, wailing and crying and in pain, stuff that'll make Abu Ghraib look like a dress rehearsal, yet, some members of the human race would be having fun on the other side?

It's just a thought. I wonder how many serve such a God.
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Oh believe me, the mass extermination that is coming will make Hitler look like a saint.

Why would anyone believe in such a God? Because it is not His choice that anyone should be 'offed' like that. The people getting exterminated are the ones who chose to be exterminated in said manner. This Judgement means that every person who shunned the chance to check out what God is truly about now, is choosing to spend eternity without Him. If not eternity with God, your other option is eternity with satan. This is worse than what Hitler could have done to you. But why blame God for the pain of spending eternity with satan in 'extermination'? People who poke fun at Him now are expressly choosing, of their own free will, to be judged in that way - To be separated from Him for ever. Exterminated.

It is written: Do not fear him who can kill the body; but rather, fear Him Who can condemn both soul and body to Hell.

So don't fear Hitler. He was a mere man.

I conclude that you shouldn't argue the extermination. Afterall, you would prefer not to be around Jesus, no? Then I would surmise that it is fair to be separated from Him, and be exterminated into satan's domain forever.

So God is wicked, you are saying. Why would anyone serve Him?
I would ask you this: Why would anyone not serve Him when they know He loves them enough to the point of allowing them to choose for themselves whether they want to be 'exterminated' or not?

Let every man work out his own salvation with fear and trembling. You have made your choice. I have made mine. We will all live, and die, with our choices.

And you care about His innocence/guilt because? Your posts indicate that you hold Jesus in disdain. That's cool. Freedom of choice, God gives.

Your answer is in the Bible - But I bet you've read it so many times, but the only ideas that have jumped out at you, are your own understanding.

If you are unable to find the answers to your questions in the Bible without being critical about what you read every time, or attempting to discredit, then - Nobody here can help you find what you are looking for.

Clearly, you read the Bible. Or excerpts of it. You are not understanding, or at least, that is not your goal. None of us can reason with God. We ain't smart enough.

Oh, by the way, I forgot to add:

Adam Brody and Co., I am not quite sure where you heard that God does not condone killing. He does, if one deserves it. And there is another mass killing coming. A killing that is of an eternal-damnation variety. Yeah, I know, I know, you don't believe it, and frankly, I don't care.

It's called Judgement Day.

I look forward to seeing you there.

@Adam Brody/OP:

Interesting argument. Are you trying to decipher the logic behind why God kills in the Old Testament and hence, He is a mass murderer, as you state? Please don't fight the logic. If there is a Supreme, Intelligent Being like God out there Who can create multiple galaxies, and design the intricate details of a human anatomy so that everything connects in perfect unity (and I would say for the record that this God exists), then how do you even attempt to fathom the reason/logic on why He would allow killings/order killings, when He is clearly so much more superior in intellect than you or I?

As a matter of fact, you should be ecstatic that He is not into the business of instant judgment as He used to be before Jesus came. I doubt that you would be left standing at the moment.

I believe in God. I believe in Jesus. Reading this thread reminds me of conversations/arguments thrown at me in the past about what right I have to think that what I believe is "The Truth".

To the posts above from individuals indicating that Jesus has not proven Himself to them, or He is a jewish God and etc etc etc - Here is a news flash, Keep waiting for proof, by all means. Your pompous, logic seeking, fun-poking comments about the God you state doesn't exist are duly noted. By Who, you might ask? Well, Lets' wait and see. No argument from me on waiting and seeing.

You might ask me why I have the audacity to believe in a God that you choose not to believe in. That is the whole point. "Choose." "Choice." Just like you are choosing to make fun of Him. I have seen, from life experiences, and personal convictions, that there is a God. I will not, in anyway, try to convince you to believe as I do. However, I can only testify to the things that I have seen, and why I choose to believe in Jesus. You don't have to believe.

All in due time.

brein:
Just got my final letter to to enable appear for a Canadian Visa at their Embassy located in Ghana,

I need solely help of Interview questions and all that, By the way am going as an Immigrant Skilled Worker.

Thnks for your splendid Ideas, will be useful.

BRB

@Brein:

Congrats on getting this far in the Canadian immigration process. There is a Canadian forum for new and aspiring Canadian immigrants located at: http://www.immigration.ca/discussion2/

You may visit the website, and you will find Canadian immigrants who answer questions and provide their interview experiences.

Plus, it is free.

You can just scroll through the various sections (Independent Immigration, Business Immigration etc), and read the tips that other immigrants have written about the questions to expect during the interview.

All the best and God bless.

manmustwac:
be careful about what pictures u post because theres no evidence to prove that your last pic was taken in england

@Pafun:

Your pictures are duly noted.

However, take the idea behind your pictures i.e. Britain is not a paradise. Apply it to other nations -
That is what you will expect to find in some parts of the States, Canada, or any other country on the planet.
My point - There is no perfect place on Earth.

bigmodo:
Please i want to know whether there is a way to enter into a ship via a container either heading to europe or usa. I know nigeria do some exports, anyway to travel through a container. Please someone with a successful end-means through this way should please brief. So i can see whether I'm going to succeed this way. People that want to joke should please divert to the jokes section and those without any useful idea should also please stay off. I need only useful infos.

You have got to be kidding.
@ Bigmodo, your previous posts appeared to be jokes until the threads kept coming with the same theme.

Not to belittle, but I suggest you buy, borrow or steal some IQ with immediate effect.

Do you consider these 'plans' through before seeking suggestions? Others may find you to be a comic relief on this board, but you need to calm down and make plans that are actually achievable.

Has my info been useful so far?

Jevbe:
I want the Nigerian government and the world to know what is going on at the Finnish Embassy Abuja. The discrimination towards a Nigerian married to a fellow Nigerian is just too obvious. They always reject visa to our mothers and fathers to come and visit us in Finland but if one of the couple is a Finn(white Finnish) they will grant the visa but if both couples are black , they will reject the visa even if they are Finnish citizen. The most frustrating part is that they know they will not give the visa, they will still demand you pay the visa fee and health insurance fee.

Nigerians living legally in Finland are crying out to the world to do something about this discrimination. How can the Embassy reject a 65 years old woman that wants to go and visit her daughter and grandchild? How can the Embassy reject a mother who has not seen her son for the past 7years visa to go and visit him and the grandchild? The humiliation is too much.

My mother was at the Embassy and during the interview, they asked what was her reason for applying and she told them that she wants to go and visit her daughter and grandchildren. But after spending so much money on the trip to Abuja, including the health insurance and visa fee, she was rejected the visa based on what? That she didn't say the reason why she wants to go to Finland. What nonesense, what an excuse!

What an insult to my mum who spent 11 days waiting for their reply at Abuja. The same excuse was giving to three other women ages above 60 that wanted to go and visit their children.

All this rejection because both couples inviting these people are black but if one of the couple is white Finnish, they will grant the visa without calling to confirm if the application is geniue. We are all fed up of this insults to our parents. They will travel all the way to Abuja only to be sent home humiliated. No single respect for our parents in the hands of the staff at the embassy.

Please spread this around and let the world know the humiliation our parents are suffering in the hands of the Finnish embassy at Abuja. Something must be done about it because we are not asking for too much by inviting our own biological parents. They are not kids that will seek asylum or run away, they are our parents. Please help me spread this news, the world must know!!!!!!!!

Please provide statistics here that would demonstrate that the Finnish Imm. Officers are making their decisions based solely on race, Unless there are some numbers to back the alleged discrimination, how did you arrive at your conclusion? Or better yet, how would you prove it, if you decide to appeal, without any evidence, except that your parent, and some other two or three ladies at the Embassy, on the same day, were denied visas?