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[quote author=ndu_chucks]This is a bunch of crap. Governors and politicians are now social engineers, abi? Pray tell, how are they going to force a behavioral change in people? The kind of behavioral change Fashola is talking about will take quite some time and possibly a generation or 2.

Constitutional amendments or a restructuring should not be contingent upon the success of social (re)engineering. Fashola is simply wrong and ill-advised in this case. Lets call a spade a spade.[/quote]I think you are the one that is wrong here. How do you bring about constitutional amendments when there is no sincerity on the path of those involved? For example, if I sit on a table to cut a deal with you with a conceived mind of cheating you, how can we cut a good deal for each other?

And on the good governance angle, will a constitution force a governor who does not see the fairness and justice in providing sound education for all of her people to now do so? I guess you know the answer.

I give you another example, in Nigeria, when a man is caught stealing in public position, instead of Him/Her to step aside, S/He go lobbying to remain in that position, so they can influence the outcome of their investigation. Was the law every faulty in that regards? No! But the individual has a corrupt mind and is not willing to obey the law. Same goes with a perfect constitution without a people with the right moral compass as the case is currently in Nigeria.

Ogene Dom: This is a dream and the only wrong thing with dreaming not waking up to face the reality

Like it was dreaming dreams when they said we will become the next power house in Telecommunications and people like you said hmm hmm... but today what is happening?

[quote author=Bo-large]SORRY THE RAPTURE WOULD HAVE TAKEN PLACE BY THEN![/quote]Aint this foolhardy? Rapture by the way is Spiritual, so you won't see human flesh going up heavenwards, 'cos this flesh would have been replaced with that Celestia body that heaven knows...

P.S: Lets not derail this thread.

cheddarking: So you've got only 3 major Players Propping up the Economy...

And you reckon that's a GOOD thing?

You start from some where. Have you heard of such a thing like recognizing every good thing in you? Nigeria should look at where shes done things right and try to replicate that in other areas. Whining about how poor you are will never make you become rich, remember, there is no productivity in negativity.

Sealeddeal: Fashola and Obi didnt disagree.Fashola was actually trying to make the leader know that constitution does not stop them from working and providing for their people.he called constitution an agreement.Equally,Obi call constitution an agreement but said that ours ridden by injustice and need an amendment.so i think Fashola is right and Obi is right as well.

Remember another man's injustice is seen by another as "Fair Share"... so lets start with good governance which requires no constitution but right attitude. After all, did the Bini Kingdom have any written constitution? No, but the King and Princes in those times governed the people with the interest of making them a great people and they land prospered. That is what Nigeria needs, leaders to do the right things -development and growth- geared towards making life better for her citizens and making them a people of greatness!

[quote author=Frank-C]Talking about 'investing heavily' in the electricity sector in their domains and knowledge of the area, their logic seem to suggest that the FG should continue to own everything since it invested the most and has the most extensive knowledge of the territory and the sector. We can see how 'efficient' power distribution and supply has been in Ekiti, Edo and Delta before GEJ's intervention measures and we can see for ourselves how 'technically qualified' this 3-state consortium is.

Power before now was in the exclusive list of the FG responsibilities. So is the power to sell off such state resources to investors they deem qualified. These states better align more strategically with the named investors instead of this funny talk. It is about providing electricity to the people we are talking about here.[/quote]Your reasoning is so skewed! If you didnt know this before, know it now. States have always invested in rural electrification and to a large extent, power generation, however, the FG has always claimed monopoly over power distribution citing the national grid as her sole prerogative, and largely that is where Nigeria's epileptic power supply problem is.

It will be fool hardy for any state to have invested hugely over the past 10years of massive rural electrification, to then turn around and allow an incompetent company to "take over" without a fight. Least this would end up in a situation where the company ends up in a fight against the people of the land and you know who will prevail.

Aside the Delta governor, I know the other governors know what government is all about and know what is best for their people. Maybe the FG under estimated the role the state governments ought to play in the whole privatization process.

Slizbeat: Not that i dont agree with the ATTITUDE thing but we all know that the constitution is not based on Equity and fairness. But wait o0, guy u harsh o0, u wud make a good lawyer fa.

Constitutions, historically has never been based on fairness and Equity, why? because those on claim equity must come with clean hands = right moral compass and I am sorry to say, humanity barely possesses that and is hugely lacking in Nigeria, and that is what Fashola is espousing.

cheddarking: Bros abeg which industries dey Nigeria?

Do you know simple items like TORCHLIGHTS, and SUSPENDED CEILINGS are being imported from China?

I should know, as I do this business.

Nigeria is a country where Nigerian-made things are seen as inferior not just by the elite, but the COMMON MAN ON THE STREET.

Apart from the Dangote\Honeywell\Ibeto Conglomerates and Indomie, JUST HOW MANY FACTORIES ARE THERE?

And you say Shymexx is faking? Come correct bruv...

First you claimed there are no Industries in Nigeria, then you conclude by naming some of the biggest players in their sector in Africa, does that not tell you something? Yes development maybe very slow, but there is denying the fact that Nigeria is making significant progress in many areas. Telecommunication is one aspect that is worth using as a case study. In barely 12years, Nigeria has gone from a nation with no GSM to a nation now looking to implement things like rural agricultural education using GSM. Yes, it may not be perfect, but just like the automobile industry in Great Britain in the early years, it wasn't perfect, they just kept working on it until they took the world by storm. Lets have a positive mind set, after all, there's no productivity in negativity.

Slizbeat: Dont reason it on sentiments like the thread wants to put it but with simple logic. Ok let me make it simpler.
In a school where the law is "dont flog the prefects for coming late" but late coming is punishable with flogging. Now, a normal student comes late alongside a prefect and the student was flogged while the prefect was allowed to go in2 duh class. Without you reversing that law, you cant stop the prefect 4rm coming late since he wont be punished and if u punish him/her, u av gone against the law. Simple.

Again your example buttress my point. If those that drafted that law were living by the moral code of fairness and justice, then they would have known rightly that such a law is wicked as it discredit one and approves of another's wrong.
Put it in another way, even if that flaw was written in the law and the prefect never comes in late, if at all, the law in itself will be redundant -simple

RIGHT ATTITUDE is the watch word.

rasputinn: I hope to be part of the players that will make this happen

Hope is good, but action is better. I am amongst those making Nigeria work again and is preparing His grounds to be a formidable force in the land.

ITbomb: without the empowerment of the middle class , the Nigerian economy is doom .
For now that empowerment is still non existent for a government that cannot pay 18k minimum wage yet someone is getting food poisoning from eating 3million worth of food per day.
The technicians , craft men and other micro enterprises cannot access low interest credit to enhance their business

I think that is where Nigeria's huge potential is: Vastly entrepreneurial middle class compared to most of the western nations and they will be the ones to push the economy of Nigeria into the upper tier of global economy.

Slizbeat: The two governors aint Wrong. Fashola's Opinion should come second after Obi's. The fact is that the Sincerety fashola wants from Nigeria would only be realised if all Nigerians agree to the constitution and for We Nigerians to agree to it, it must be based on equity and fairness. No one would want to be in a relationship where they both are regarded as equals but yet one eats only beans all the time and the other eats friedrice and salad. Its simple logic.
BTW, Fashola never said he disagreed with the amendment but his opinion should av been tabled later. Obi never disagreed with the sincerety Fashola wants but he just asked how will they get the sincerety when the constitution is nt based on equity n fairness.
Meanwhile, the topic is misleading.

How can you have an agreed constitution if the people do not even realize in themselves that "fairness" to others is "justice" in itself? Is it not the lack of these moral values such as "fairness" that gave birth to the so called non-working constitution as acclaimed by Peter Obi? I my own opinion, Fashola is spot on, change your moral code before changing the letters of the law because if the 'spirit of the thinking' of the people is not right, the law may well be pronounced dead on arrival!

KINGwax: now my friend, i see you're jes a fashola-asss-kicker! I respect d man though, and also a lagosian but he is fuckin stagnant there!
We need ds law to move it..
1. A constitution dt removes immunity
2. A constitution dt allow u remit your account quarterly or less
3. A constitution dt kills u if u embezzle
4. One dt submits your assets auditing before and after office
5. One dt allow u removed if d masses say u fail them
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my friend, dt alone, will make u a better person without choice. Biliv me. No one wanted to do it right. We need to be forced.

If you like have a constitution that does all these, when man wants to circumvent anything, He will. But a man with the right moral values, attitude and a mind of corporate justice, does not need any of these to govern the people justly and provide the basic necessities of life.

Remember, the constitution is only "a guide to remind" and the consitution, just like laws of the land can not enforce itself. Its up to a people with the right moral values to enforce them.

Awake9ja: Any goody who says that fashola is right is really not honest. Sincerely speaking let's turn the table the other way, "what if that statement is coming out from babangida or sarduana of sokoto " will my bros from the west ever blv it's right.

Fashola is totally wrong and obi with Clark is right to me:
1) how do you teach people morality without a moral law?
2) how long do you think it going to take us to change the mentality of our people? So do we expect people to wait till then before there will be equality and equity?
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Agreed with obi and Clark:equity
1) two can never work together unless they agree, which is mutual understanding. We need it above everything.
2) the amendment is very much necessary to build fairness and equity.
3) we need to make a law that takes away immunity.
4) laws has two face
a) what one must not do or face the punishment if you do it,
b) what you must do and the benefit of obeying it.
5) law will help to curtail the excesses of any religion and tribe, and will empower the government to punish any that breaks it without fear or favor.
6) we need that law to end superior vs inferior mentality in our soiety.
7) it will encourage patriotism without suspicions .
then we shall have the oneness we have been looking for .
9) make every region equal state or do away with states and let us have only six regions so that people will feel secure and not been marginalized .

Conclusion:
What fashola is saying makes us more vulnerable than ever.
Tell me who may build a house with out a foundation .

This is not about Fashola, it is about the TRUTH -Simple. Peter Obi's drive or acclaimed injustice to a region appears to be based solely on the states created so far in the South East.

The question I want you to answer is this: Will you bother about the number of states in South East if you are able to travel cheaply from Aba to Ontisha to do your business, without being harassed by armed state criminals called police, and the roads are in good working condition, and there is 24/7 electricity everywhere you go in the region? Is the present constitution that has made these elude the people of Nigeria or is it the despotic leaders we have and the near ultimo wickedness of our people?

Again, Fashola is showing He is light years into the future than His peers The summary of what Fashola has said is this: If you like have the most perfect rules in a home, if a child does not have a mind set to live by those rules in the home, the rules in themselves are useless!

First, We, Nigerians have to recognize in ourselves that obeying the laws of the land is not an option, it is a MUST. The developed Western nations today have constitutions that are no near perfect, but what has made them look civilized (in comparison to us) is simply the fact that the people of these nations have the mind set that the constitution is there to be respected and obeyed.

Peter Obi's reason appear to come across that it is more state creation that would resolve the poverty and negligence befalling the region. Even if you give a zone (like the South East) 20 states, with the greediness, corruption and ineptitude in the land, the people will still end up worse off!

The constitution may not be perfect, but if the people chose to live by it, over time, amendments can be made to it to correct any anomaly.

Did Qaddafi of Libya need any perfect constitution to give the people the high quality of life that even most western nations wished they could give their citizens?

[size=18pt]"ONLY A FOOL SAYS IN HIS HEART THERE IS NO GOD.." ..Psalm 14:1 [/size]

[quote author=agoha_vivi]Its necessary that one is good to those he meets on his way up cos he might meet them on his way down. Most people in government especially highly placed officers, make scapegoats of junior officers or subordinates whereas the vices they usually condemn are things they were very much involved in before assumption of office. Don't get me wrong, i greatly condemn indiscipline and neglect in one's duty but I'm of the opinion that oshimole seeks other means of addressing theses vices rather than laying off workers who are supposed breadwinners. Someone told me he saw at the airport sometime ago, a former NNPC GMD known to be so mean and inconsiderate in his execution of duties. He kept making different calls appealing to one person or the other to come pick him at the airport yet he kept receiving excuses. This was a man who when he had his birthday years ago could count well over 40 full paged birthday greetings on one national daily or the other and moved in very long convoy even when going for lunch. The earlier oshiomole and the likes of Fashola realises that Nigerians have very short memories, the better for them.[/quote]Why do some of you talk like cave men? If it was in private schools these inspectors fail to do their job would they not be sent packing? Why then should that of the government be different? Some of these Inspectors should be lucky that Oshiomhole only sacked them and didn't ask them to return half of the wages they were paid for doing a 'hatch' job for the government!

Do you expect that Edo state government would spend billions of tax payers money in renovating schools and then expect that pupils turn up only to be left on their own to count the beautiful looking ceilings, while the inspectors that are suppose to make sure these schools are ran effectively abandon their jobs, and the government will continue to do 'siddon look'?

I hardly give a face to those who think they can cheat the system and then hide under the clout of 'mercy me'. If Nigeria is to be what God envisioned it to be, people with your mentality needs to be sent packing. The are countless millions of Nigerians who are passionate about teaching and making our schools a heaven for raising global champions and are ready to render their service to the state and nation, so why put up with mediocre s

Good job my able governor, action they say speaks louder than words. Now other inspectors would adjust very quickly! Nigeria needs more of your type.

justwise: I'm not surprised that you came up with these off-topic rants, you need to take time out to sort yourself out because there is something definitely wrong with you.

How smarty pants you have become to now see yourself in better shape and others aren't hence they need to sort themselves out.. arrant nonsense!!

justwise: As usual you are vomiting garbage, what has 'LEGITIMATE EXPECTATION' got to do with this? In what situation does LEGITIMATE EXPECTATION come into the picture?

Remember I said earlier, you often come across like you are more British than the Brits. And when it comes to UK immigration matters you often come across like holier than thou and put forward a know it all attitude, I am clean, you are evil attitude.

I made reference to legitimate expectation because of your nonsensical statement earlier claiming visas can be refused even if you meet the requirements. Need I remind you that one of the grounds for a Judicial Review is the legitimate expectation under the UK immigration legislation wherein when as applicant has fully complied with the requirements of the UK Immigration rules, it is expected that the Visas would be granted.

Stick it in, the UKBA staff screwed things up and the comment by the first poster concerning how legitimate applicants are denied visas for frivolous reasons is in order.

Who knows how of such visas application has scaled through in the past

Onegai: They broke their laws, 11 hours a day for 300 pounds per month is about the same rate as bank job in naija (and no-one working at that rate likes their job) plus since they illegally tried to get her in, had she annoyed them or quarrelled over pay later, they could easily report the nanny to Border Authority and have her deported. And I don't think when they deport you, they give you time to get all your belongings and cash, they most likely tell you to write the bank and you start fighting internationally. Plus for a case of false employment visa, govt has the right to seize the salary. Think about that before we say this chick was moving to better life. I know some naija family who took a girl to US as nanny, she did nanny for almost 16 yrs and the only schooling they paid for her was Dental Hygenist (lower than a nurse).

I am not for the UKBA staff, however need I remind you that when it comes to calculating pay for nannies when food and accommodation is provided by their host, it is completely different to your normal working rate. HMRC has some issues with this some years ago, I will put the link up if I am able to find it.

justwise: Trash.

Answer the simple question and stop spewing rubbish. If and when a visas requirement is meant, there is a legitimate expectation that such a visas is granted. Beside, I am some what surprised How you are not bashing UKBA on this but should it have been a Nigerian involved, you will be all over the thread saying what not and acting as though you are more British than the Brits

justwise: You can be refused a visa even when you met all requirements, its not a right, its a privilege.

Why do you always like to be unnecessarily controversial when it comes to UK immigration legislation and try to come across as more knowledgeable than even a QC ? Do you know what is called "LEGITIMATE EXPECTATION" and why it exist in UK immigration legislation?

Interestingly, in civilized climes like the United States, much of the foreign talk talk id done by the Secretaries of State or Ministers, giving the President much space to engineer and implement His domestic policy as the global economy continue to undulate. In Nigeria, the President would rather travel with marmot crowd and more painful, there little no next to nothing to show for His travels.

Sleek05: Yeah whenever sounds a lot better. Thnx afam. @omotier, wen next u wanna act lyk a grammarian, pls have an option. Don't correct and den go searchin d dictionouary cuz u ddnt know better anyway!

Sis.. I am not a grammarian . All I did when I first read your post was highlight that 'connotation'. I never claim I know better. In fact, reading through Your first post, you came across like an arrogant individual, making reference to private universities and all what not.

'Cue' is the way to correct an individual, hence you come across as 'hurting'. Maybe that should explain why I did not bother 'constructing' Your sentence in the first stance. Like I said, I am not a Grammarian maybe Akoko grammatical #Sis_I_luvff _U_no_more

afam4eva: @Omo Tier1
When i first read the bolded, i thought it sounded kinda strange. But on a second glance, i really don't think it has any grammatical error.

It is called grammatical connotation bro Try replacing 'Anytime' with 'Now', you would understand what I mean.

Sleek05: Correct d statement, dats all I ask but u can't cuz u don't have a point. I can c ure just a joker, all u wanna do z play around.

Sis... the best way to learn is to understand what you ain't doing right and gain the right knowledge to do it right. Go back and read that post of yours again. #justsaying_Anytym_I spoke_with_him.

bknight: They should have released their pictures nah

This is gross, gross comedy! You people on NL are sooo mean...e nor gud o..una de mock these 'engiri-igbo'

They make me feel so embarrassed

Correction: It's Pickshure #Warri_no_Dey_carry_last

Sleek05: U shld think b4 commentin or quotin me. If ure super confident, correct d statement...sum ppl just jump b4 thinkin, u think every1 z here 2 play? I no longer speak wit him, I'm done wit servce so wats ur point? Piss off abeg @omotier

Sis.. but I said I luvff you now .. #Past_tense

[quote author=Akin-David]Some things are really possible in Nigeria now...The definition of a Nigerian graduate is different from that of other parts of the world. The whole system is...hmmmmm![/quote]I do not hmm hmm the part in bold #a_Nigerian_graudate_fun_poke

Oy Sxo: :oWhat the hell, graduates ma ass!!!

hehe.. what the smell ... hmm hmm hmm

ferhyntorlah: ye, you might know it all, but there are so many illiterate graduates out there that do not know their state governors and can not define what they studied. But bros, do not try me,I might beat you in your field.

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hehe, the expertizos have woken up... sis... no job today

Sleek05: I'm not surprised at all. I served in Enugu and stayed in d same compound with one boy who could not construct a simple sentence. Anytym I spoke wit him, he replied in pidgin. Later, Nlanders wil abuse private unis. This is pathetic abeg, I'm sure it'l soon be tasued's turn. Those ones 2 are as bad, speakin English is a big problem 4dose ones 2.

Sis... I luvff you but how about that part in bold #now_I_spoke_with_you