₦airaland Forum

Idokojimmy: This is a perfect budget, and as well meaning Nigerians, we expect the NASS to deliberate and pass it immediately. The era of passing budget 5months into a new year and expecting 100% execution within 4months is over. Budget must be passed on time, to give way for speedy completion. GEJ and his team must be commended for the timely presentation. He has done his part, the legislators should do theirs.

Stop deceiving yourself. Budgeting is never Nigeria's problem. IMPLEMENTATION. .simples. The present government led by GEJ does not have the capacity to implement budgets and is a governmrnt of rogues and paddy paddy chop I chop rob belle awuf government. How do expect a Trainee President to be able to implement a technical budget?

At least it wasn't a certain Drunken Fisherman

lastpage: I guess in four engine planes, the failure of one engine or even two (one of each pair on either side), can still be managed by an experienced Pilot.

But most of our local flights use two engine planes (one on each side) and the failure of one will cause so much "roll" that the plane would 95% of the time, CRASH.

if we want to make comparisons, lets compare like with like.
Now show me how many single engine planes (one on each side) survived an engine failure while fully airborne?

That plane should have been properly checked before passengers board...... and the problem detected earlier.
If that has been done, all these "fear and near mishaps" could have been avoided.


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Stop your show of ignorance and get some knowledge into your head! I abhor ignorant folks...

Shaw007: ^^^ u have your answer


Lord_reed ,thank You for that,Now i'm convinced that gUy does not know anything about what he's bragging about. . .1st he said it alright 2 use normal air 2 inflate aircraft tires instead of Nitrogen,heck even helium is better!!! Now he's saying the principle behind aircraft and car tires are d the same,heck even some Race car tires have different principles from Normal car tires. . .and he's even bragging about whatever whoever he works for. . .I'm not d aircraft expert,but i'm adept enough 2 know he's just plain Ignorant!! . . .the guy is pathetic!!

You are not an expert, you have never stressed a washer in your life, and you have the gutts to spew rubbish! Again, go back to basics, hmmm.... draw the forces on a car tyre cornering and do the same for car, then come back here and have a decent discussion! It is not rocket science, it is simple physics.

FYI, I am 100% sure of what I am talking about. Again, I know folks like you lack a teachable spirit and wouldn't want to humble yourself and learn but would rather spew rubbish in forums.

[quote author=Lord_Reed]Aircraft tyres and car tyres don't undergo the same stress.[/quote]I said Aircraft tyre and Car tyre principles are the same - did I mention stress? CAN YOU PLEASE SKETCH FOR ME THE FORCES ON A CAR TYRE WHEN CORNERING AND SKETCH THE SAME FOR AN AIRCRAFT!

I know most of you in here have unteachable spirits, but I would leave you to go do your research and then come back and have a decent conversation!

The same world bank that claimed earlier this week that there is no available data in Nigeria? Hehe, I dey laugh ohhhhh

Shaw007: LOL. . .i can bliv ur actually comparing ur car tire to aircraft tire,which is why i emphasised on race cars,a race car tire wud reqire more tire pressure than a normal sedan,which is synonymous 2 Aircraft!

The principle of an Aircraft tyre and Car tyre is the same. Again, I ask you, when you go to your vulcanizer, what does He pump your tyre with?..Compressed Air I believe? or No ?

sandee575: Omo Tier1,
agreed that Nairaland is a leveller, you need to exercise some caution when it comes to addressing issues
you know little about and criticising people who can school you in a subject such as this. My experience tells me
you know next to nothing except putting up pretences while making references to Joint Aviation Regulations which
you might have just come accross on the internet. What Qatar did was a precautionary landing, a landing that was with
little danger. Landing with one landing gear is anyone's nightmare, otherwise plane manufacturers wouldnt have bothered
adding to that number. Hence such a landing would be an emergency landing where anything could happen including fatalities
due perceptible total loss of control during the landing roll. The main idea of using nitrogen gas to inflate aircraft tyres
is to preclude the possibility of fire and consequently explosion in case of tyre burst and for your information those tail plane
and vertical stabilizer parts you mentioned are at the rear of the plane, pretty high and most unlikely to get hit by tyre debris in the
case of tyre burst. Dont write on marble the saying which goes by "empty barrels make the most noise". Yours is even the defiant noise type.

Again if you knew who you were talking to, I am sure you would have asked for 2hrs of lecture on this subject matter. I laugh at your comment that landing gear is anyone's nightmare. This statement goes to show how ignorant you are when it comes to Aircraft designs. If anything, Landing Gears are designed for "Robustness" statically, and are Safe-Life components. Apart from the Gear-Beam on the wings and the fuel tanks related structures, 90% of the other parts of the Aircraft are either designed for damage tolerance or Fail-safe.

Addressing your ignorance about Aircraft designs, pretty much, "Airframers" often design for case where by you have to land with one of the landing gears touching the ground first - for example, during drift landing, you can have the pilot drifting unto the runway, and ends up with one MLG touch down before the rest of the gears makes contact with the runway.

On tyre debris, again I laugh at your complete and utter ignorance on this! If you have ever done a PRA on an aircraft design, I am sure you would not have made that stupid comment.

To put this straight, for Aircraft that fly at low altitudes, they generally use compressed air to inflate their tyres, however for those aircraft that fly at high altitudes, they use nitrogen 'cos of its inert nature and its lighter- hence it is misleading to say All aircraft tyres are inflated with nitrogen.

Beside, looking at the pictures, the Aircraft appear to have one tyre completely deflated, and this scenario is one of the design cases for landing gear as I mentioned previously.

I know folks like you are educated by the MSM who are pretty much ignorant when it comes to issues such as this and are only good at creating unnecessary fear.

WARNING ***I abhor ignorant folks **

When a man is used to mediocrity, and averages, excellence is alien to His culture! The OP belongs to that class.

luluosas: With this GSM growth as published by NCC, which is not commensurate with the quality of service being offered by these GSM providers, it shows we the subscribers have a long way to go.
But come oh, is NCC taking these new connected lines to mean one line per one new GSM subscriber? I laugh in Edo language!
Nigerians, don't be deceived. These new connected lines are just recycling among the existing users, who are buying more network Sim cards, to avoid being trapped in a tight corner, by reason of the POOR services these rapers of our 'collective wealth' are providing.
Number portability will address these nonsense by the time it will come into effect.
Although I have not traveled out of Nigeria before but, I just want to ask: Does the American people uses more than one network at a time? Do they do have SPRINT, AT&T, T-Mobile, Verison and other network providers Sim cards as we Nigerians do?
Imagine me having 4 Glo, 1 MTN, 1 Etisalat and 1 Airtel lines at the same time. Reasons - BAD POOR SERVICE.

Not so correct. I used to think it was mainly Nigerians that do carry four phones in a go, but since recession started to bite hard here, coupled with austerity promos ran by some of the major telecoms company, I see any working class having Vodafone and Tesco mobile ..two different numbers... Simple as meerkat would say..

adconline: A state whose governor is a SAN should not be acting like it's run by Boko Haram. We are talking of Motor Vehicle Licensing and Freedom of movement. They are ultra-rives of LASG. Motor licensing falls under exclusive list of FG and cannot be exercised concurrently by state.

Maybe you need to read that article again and understand it better. It only applies to vehicle owners who want to use it for business WITHIN Lagos and not those that come into Lagos to do business and leave ASAP.

ogugua88: This is how it's done in my native state of California.

•A nonresident owner may operate a vehicle (other than a commercial vehicle) in California until he/she accepts gainful employment in this state or establishes residency in this state, whichever occurs first, if the vehicle is registered and displays valid license plates issued to that owner by the foreign jurisdiction where he/she was a resident

•A nonresident owner of a vehicle may operate, or permit operation of, a vehicle in California without obtaining California registration if the vehicle is registered in the owner’s place of residence and displays valid license plates issued by that state.

•If the nonresident registration does not indicate an expiration date, it will be considered to expire one year from the date of first use of the vehicle in California.
◦Fees are due immediately if the owner accepts gainful employment in, or establishes residency in California.
◦The fees must be paid within 20 days.

When the person gets a job or a place of residence like normal Californians, then they need to re-register their vehicles. It is only after that that there is a time period of 20 days to get the vehicle registered. What on earth is "about 3 months"?

Besides, aren't there bigger issues plaguing Lagos? Did they not see Rick Ross's video?

What is the difference between what you have quoted as obtainable in California and what Lagos is trying to do? Is it not the same thing? If you want to use your car on Lagos roads ( paid for by the tax payers ) for commercial activity in Lagos, you may as well register that vehicle in Lagos so they have a proper database of all the vehicles used for commercial business WITHIN Lagos.

Is this not similar to a situation whereby some owns a business in say Lagos but lives in Ogun. Does the business owner pay Ogun taxes or Lagos taxes? Of course s/He pays the Lagos taxes because that is where the business is domiciled. Same goes with the car used for commercial business in Lagos.

I think the law is a good one, my concern is with implementation as most of the touts and tribal bigots will exploit the situation for personal gain.

Shaw007: THIS mAN!! Normal air can NEVER be used to inflate tires

100% Nitrogen is used because it doesnt't contain water vapour,though air with low humidity is will contract and expand the same way Nitrogen does but Nitrogen gaurantees NO air will condense within the tire,using air with 78% of Nitrogen will leave you with about close to 1% of water vapour which would be absolutely disastrous In airplane tires . . .infact i'm sure some of this crashes we see are due to water being present in tires,u do not want that 2 happen

infact cos of the constant tire pressure with temperature change.Nitrogen is being used for race cars 2 reduce the number of times u have 2 change the tire

even if normal air wud be used,it wud one sometin with reduced humidity.using air with 78% Nitrogen is not just dangerous,it's deathly!!

@topic,i'm just glad it wasnt a Nigerian plane,thank God for the safe 'emergency landing' though

WHAT DO YOU USE TO INFLATE YOUR CAR TYRE WHEN YOU GO TO THE SERVICE STATION IN NIGERIA, WHAT DO YOU INFLATE YOUR TYRE WITH ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS AND MAYBE I CAN HELP YOU UNDERSTAND AIRCRAFT TYRE BETTER...

sandee575: Crash landing is about a landing beyond control. Nitrogen is used to avert fire because of the inert property of nitrogen gas.
Tyre deflation can occur in the air just like your car spare tyre can deflate in your car boot. The danger a deflated tyre poses to an aircraft is mainly the impacting of its debris on the airframe and engines but because of the forward position of the Airbus 330 engines, they stood little chance of both impaction and ingestion of the debris from the main landing gear.

load of crap! You have no clue what Aircraft design is all about! If anything, when you have tyre debris "flyout" they always target the tail plane/ horizontal stabilizers. FYI Aircraft tyre is not like you normal car tyre!

An aircraft can land on one landing gear without an hassle! Maybe you need to go have a look as EASA CS25 or JAR 25 for large airplanes and stop spewing rubbish in the room.

[quote author=Somorin#1]Which airline do you work for? I ask so I can avoid it.

"emergency was declared, but spilt fuel ignited and caused a massive fire on board. Control was lost and the aircraft crashed into a mountain in the Sierra Madre, at an elevation of 9000 feet. It was found that the tire had been serviced with air rather than nitrogen"

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19860331-1[/quote]When will you learn, Air contains 78% Nitrogen, so where's your reasoning . Beside I do not work for any airline, perhaps if you knew who was talking to you and where I work you would shut up for eternity when it comes to Aircrafts.

luluosas: My thoughts exactly. But, come oh, was Arik flying these people for free before?

FYI, British Airways, Virgin Atlantic all have list of blacklisted individuals and it is a standard practice signed up by ICAO. Airlines have the right to choose who they do business and if Arik Air have found Omojuwa a not so good an individual to business with and ban Him from flying their planes, so be it. There are thousands of Nigerians who fly Arik every year and do not have troubles with them. Arik may have customer care issue but I think there are better ways the young man could have handle the matter.

Fellow Forumites,

Bible declares in Matthew 18 vs 19-20,
" 19. Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."

As the Nation celebrates, and in light of this scripture, say your prayers for this nation.

Here's is mine.
"Father I pray for Nigeria today, I thank you for Nigeria because every nation on the face of the earth you word revealed is apportioned by you for your own purpose and glory. Lord I declare that every situation that are not consistent with your perfect will for our nation, Nigeria be overturned and the evil works of darkness in the polity are frustrated and neutralized in the Name of Jesus, Amen"

Baraac: enough of air type in tire.
it is really shameful with the rate of advanced technology that we cannot even get a video clip of the hovering & landing?
does anybody have it?

Really what would that tell you? It would only show the underbelly of the Aircraft doing a normal loitering. I am sure pressmen would have videos of the approach to landing since many were aware of the plane's emergency call to Lagos Control Tower couple of minutes before it actually landed.

Siena: Omo, he's right, aircraft tyres are inflated with Nitrogen. Unless you were being sarcastic?

Aircraft tires are usually inflated with nitrogen or helium to minimize expansion and contraction from extreme changes in ambient temperature and pressure experienced during flight. Dry nitrogen expands at the same rate as other dry atmospheric gases, but common compressed air sources may contain moisture, which increases the expansion rate with temperature.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tire

I don't rely on Wikipedia 100%, so decided to ask an uncle of mine, who is also a retired Aero engineer, and worked for British Aerospace up untill 1998, then was a Maintenance Engineer at Gatwick Airport, up until 2009 when he retired. He also confirmed Nitrogen is used in Commercial Aircraft tyres.

Dude, Tyres are not inflated with Nitrogen, you may not believe it but similar machine used to pump your car tyre that sucks Air from the surroundings is used on Aircraft tyres. Again like you already know, Air consist of 78% of Nitrogen, hence the reason people claim tyres are inflated with Nitrogen.

mascott: My friend which one is spreading fear again. What has being the best airline got to do with something I witnessed? I am talking abt an experience I had on board a Qatar airways flight from Dubai enroute Doha, february 18th to be precise. Plane cldnt land on first approach and we almost overshot the runway during the second attempt.

It appears you are a Qatar airways employee, the incident must have been recorded by the pilot, simply check your company records for the mentioned date and stop blabbing already haba.

FYI, I do not have any business with Qatar Airways, just because you had one bad experience does not mean an Airline is very poor safety wise. Do you know how many flight Qatar Airways schedule a day? I am not here to hold brief for Qatar but those of us in the industry know too well that Qatar is the least of the airlines with safety issues.

Rossikk: I see some have already arrived here to kiss Qatari assss. If this were a Nigerian plane in the exact same situation (say Arik) and burst its tyre, our loud, self-loathing, can't-see-anything-good-about-themselves compatriots would have stormed here to lambast the whole country and its airlines for 'corruption'. ''The tyre must have burst because they stole the money meant for replacing it!! Poor maintenance culture! See how it nearly crashed a plane!! We can't even keep an ordinary tyre in the plane working!! In fact we are a failed country!!! Nothing works here!! The aviation minister must resign! GEJ must go!! ''

...... All of course without the merest investigation into the cause of the incident.

Pathetic people.

I beg to disagree. People are not that dumb you know. When they know an Airline that has very good safety record encounter an incident like this, sure they would not come down hard on the management. In the case of Arik, imagine an Airline with an Aircraft that is barely 5 years old, yet you keep getting delays upon delays and passengers being misled on flight departures.

I know Qatar Airways to an extent, and I know much about their fleet so I can stick my neck out and say they maintain one of the best safety standards in the Industry. Qantas is another operator one can stick His neck out for.

blink: An air plane tyres use nitrogen.
Also the nitrogen is more compatable with the rubber compound, and the nitrogen atoms are larger, so the deflation rate is longer.

You must be dreaming . Air plane Tyres do not use Nitrogen, it is the Landing Gear that has Oil and Nitrogen in the Shock Absorber.

mascott: Thank God it was averted. Had a similar experience on same plane sometime in february. The NCAA shld thoroughly inspect that plane to ensure its air-worthy.

Also worthy of mention is the fact that the man in d synagogue asked his congregation to pray against an imminent disaster. His supporters wld have given him d glory were this not averted. Thank God we have been spared all that trash!

There is no need to spread fear on here. Qatar Airways Airbus planes are few years old and Qatar Airways have one of the best safety records you can think of. FYI, the A330 is a very robust Aircraft, only rival by the B777.

Okay but just to calm some nerves here, when we design Aircraft, including the landing gear, we design it for failure mode that takes into account One tyre deflated case, but thats usually during ground maneuvering. Aircraft are usually designed with Tyre Pressure Monitoring System or Tyre Pressure Indication System, (TPMS or TPIS) which "senses" the pressure of each wheel tyre and display them to the pilot in the cockpit. Before take-off and landing, the Pilot would check the Indicated Tyre Pressure in His cockpit to make sure they are pressured to the range of acceptable pressure.

Airbus A330-200/300 is a very robust Aircraft with very good safety record. Going by the report on AlJazeera, one tyre was flat and the pilot declared an emergency landing which is a precautionary measure.

Thank God it did not result in any casualty. Looking forward to reviewing this at work on Monday.

Zico0: where is the sense in owning three jets sold for billions of naira!! for godsakes. Na wha o

Have you taken time to find out what He is using those jets for? Do you know how much it cost for a 3C Check of an Aircraft let alone having three for luxury? Going by Oyedepo's history, you should know better that He sure would not be the type to buy three jets for a show off!

Chei! See what Nigeria leaders have turned most Nigerians into. They barely can stand another's success! When Oyedepo was voicing His faith proclamations, where were you? God has given unto everyman a measure of faith, it is up to you what you do with it.

I wonder what you people will say when my Superjet rolls out of the Final Assembly line ...

kingsceemark: must you speak english before you make your comment? Your parents just waste money 4 nothing. Or you want 2 lean how 2 speak english because the topic mentioned igbo? NONSENSE

Just like your kinsmen want to have the Presidency as if it is their birth right . Igbos would continue to remain third place in Nigeria. Beside, I can not think of any Politician of Igbo extraction that is visionary to lead Nigeria at this present time. Maybe they need to wake up the Ikemba

[quote author=GARRI~ WARLORD]Rubbish..absolute rubbish.. So you think before the whites came to africa,there was no traditional medicine in africa.. Ask yourself why many people are now embracing traditional medicines as opposed to mordern ones.. So you think an african brain is just dumb and thinks nothing but food abi.. Do you know how many local medicine men/doctors in naija who have discovered the cure for "aids" which was created by ur almighty white man to make money...
[\b]Stop worshipping the people who planned all our problems.[/b]. If you worship the whites as your god,keep it to yourself.Dont come here and say rubbish...
The i..diot who brainwashed you did a good job,cos i can see the damage is irreversible....[/quote]That statement alone clearly shows who has a huge problem!

So long as the Igbos refuse to build bridges, a middle beltan of good quality with govern Nigeria before an Igbo man will. Beside haven't the Igbos produced President in this democratic dispensation? After all is Senate President not a President ...What did Nigeria even gain? 2015, any zone that want to produce Mr. President must bring out someone with track record near Fashola's not political jobbers