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saaphiere:Thunder fire you, Rita Edocchie! Is Donald Trump even a Christian? Does trump show or have any Quality of Christ in him? Does Christ incite people against each other?, is Christ selfish and self-centered? Did Christ teach Christians to cheat? How come that the educated Americans and Elderly have all abandoned Donald Trump? Because they are smart and have seen through his tricks and lies, that is why. Some f00ls like Rita who cant use your brain to analyse issues, are not different from the illiterates in hinterland America that support Donald Trump but God has already disgraced trump because he has lost. |
Access14:This issue of ESCROW keeps coming up, time after time! I agree with it but things have to be more formalised, for it to be bullet-proof. |
rajput4real93:Now, tell me how this Client will not be willing to even pay extra, for such Archy, instead of dragging "effort" money with him? Kudos to you Darenyx, your character goes before you. Please Professionals, dont think what people say about you does not matter, whatever is bound (truthfully and justifiably) on Earth, is also bound in heaven, that is what the Bible and Quran says. |
diordaves:I listened to it too and l was really angry. For someone like me who does not have patience for nonsense, l will be at the Architects door the next day, demanding for my full refund or there will be blood. That is why l said, in my previous post that "An Archy is not paid for 'EFFORT', but must be paid for a USABLE Drawing. paying the Archy for 'effort' should be at the discretion of the Client and most Clients will do that, once the breakdown in relationship is not due to incompetence or unprofessionalism, like using abusive language on a Client. I appreciate the Client for being a man who embraces peace, that is to his credit. Deniss 3D, you really need to restore faith in your Character and temperament (l know you are trying to get better) by making reparation to that your former Client. That money is too small to stake your image on, the honorable thing to do will be to refund the 25K and openly apologise to him, to show us you are what you say you are. That is my suggestion. @HajjM, you recommended him, what is your take on this? ![]() |
rotecch77:Respects Sir! The above does not solve the heat problem, l have experienced it before and l did exactly that, based on advice. It was a three storey building with the top decked with concrete, instead of roof. We keep our Generators and other things at the top and also take breeze there at night but during the day time, f[b]rom about 11am till 3am in the middle of the night[/b], you cant stay inside, even with A.C at full blast in the afternoons. I eventually have to moved out of the house because it was cooking me from the inside, so to speak. Damages everything, from Electronics, to leather Shoes. ![]() After many years, on a visit to a neighbour who persisted to live there, l saw that what they did was to install Polystyrene Insulators on the Concrete deck and this reduced the heat in the house drastically. The explanation was that the Concrete absorbs the sun's heat in daytime and gives it out from the evenings, till it finally loses that heat completely around 3am in the night. By gumming such insulators (those white, packing foam) on the Concrete, the Sun's heat is prevented from even reaching the Concrete so that it cant absorb it. Doing POP "inside" the rooms wont stop the Concrete from absorbing the heat and it will still pour it out in the space between Concrete Ceiling the POP but the POP Ceiling cannot withstand the pressure build-up arising from the sealed space (if completely sealed), as the temperature in-between rises, it will eventually crack and breakdown. And if not completely sealed, the heat still escapes into the room (as in my own case!) and we were back to square one. within a few weeks, the POP was discoloured and cracking. and dont forget that the Concrete also transmits the heat to the walls because our walls get hot too. The ultimate solution is one that prevents the rays of the sun from hitting that concrete. Roof it or insulate it |
n3xt:At the bolded: Which Architect in his right mind, l mean an Architect that really finished School and Completed his training will draw a Plan with the Porch facing the back of the House, when it should be facing the Front? I am sure that even the worst Architect on Nairaland will not make that kind of professional error. How is that the MISTAKE of the Client? Is it that he did not see the layout of the Land from the Survey paln, with the front Road properly described or he wants the Client to be looking into the Bedroom of the people on the other street, when he comes out to have a look at the environment or scenery ? ![]() As a seasoned Professional, there are certain "BASICS" of your Profession that the Client will not be aware-of but you are expected to know, that is why you are being paid for your services. if the Archy dont know such things, then he needs to change Profession. Imagine employing a Driver and he does not know how to change the gear when climbing a Hill, only to end-up burning the Clutch or making the vehicle roll back and crash! What would anyone here do, if the Driver's response was: Oga, you should have told me to change to a lower gear, at least you are sitting right behind me or if he says: Oga, you did not ask me whether l can Change Gears when you were interviewing me for this job. ![]() Does that kind of Driver not deserve to pay for any damage, from his salary and does he not deserve to be sacked, before he kills himself and the vehicle owner? ![]() That a Client looked at the Plan and missed certain VERY IMPORTANT BUT BASIC PRINCIPLES OF ARCHY, does not take away liability from the Architect who drew the Plan (I am talking about basic principles of Architecture like Putting a Staircase where there is no Entrance/Exit Opening leading to the Stairs or a Bedroom Door without Door or even not putting any window in a bedroom , only to turn around and claim that since the Client did revisions on the Plan, he should have seen and mentioned it, therefore he is not at fault ![]() Again, imagine if someone claims to be a Builder and he takes a plan and build a House whose floor is lower than the surrounding land in a swampy, flood-prone area, then turns around to tell the Client that: You saw me building the house and should have told me to raise the floor by two boards or more, that was your mistake, not mine! Why is he an Engineer/Builder if he does not know the BASICS that says the floor of a House/Compound must take into consideration, the level (and even anticipated increases) of the road and surroundings, otherwise the Building will become a Dam for the neighbourhood? Every 'Professional' is trained and that is why you are better than the ordinary layman (Client), that is why you are to being paid for your Services. The Client revising the Plan is just to ensure that his 'specific inputs' are also incorporated into the plan, not to take away from the professional input of the Professional Archy. For example he might want a secret door that leads from his bedroom into his wife's bedroom because he does not want the Children to know when Arsenal will get beaten by Man-United (apologies to Arsenal fans, no be my fault that they get beaten often! ) that sort of 'out-of-the-way', non-standard requirement has nothing to do with an Archy, but putting the Porch facing the backyard of the neighbour when it could have been at the front of the Flat, facing the main Road? Thank you for your input Bros. |
I have been reading a few comments regarding Architectural drawings, since l asked an aggrieved member here to layout his complaints, about another member here and it is true that a lot of people are joining the bandwagon, without understanding the issues or having a shallow understanding of it or at worst, trying to be politically correct, which l dont do. Firstly, l wanted Dennis 3D to have the opportunity to respond to the allegations, before asking Elders in the house to weigh-in but since the person involved, ibk202 said "I have moved-on", l decided there is no need to cry more than the bereaved, so l wont broach that issue anymore, let everyone draw their conclusions but l want to speak in the GENERAL SENSE, my opinion. Let us look at the following scenarios, when a Client wants to build - You contact an Architect for a Drawing: a) Should the Architect ask you to bring money FIRST before he can do the drawing of what you want or does he does the drawing of what you want, show you and then you pay him b) does he show you a sketch first and when you are not happy with the sketch, you ask for modifications , which when done, you pay him or does he insists on payment at this stage c) Should he complete the drawing to your satisfaction and thereafter, ask for payment afterwards. Each of the above scenario is fraught with potential pitfalls, if any of the two parties is greedy or a conman. So, let us take them one by one and we shall see why l said people are just joining the bandwagon. PITFALLS In scene (a): If you pay the Archy FIRST and he does a shoddy job and you insist he should rework it but he either refuse or fails to do what you desire. At this point, he can call your bluff and refuse to refund your money back, you are at his mercy! Take note, Client has gained NOTHING for the effort of the Archy since what he asked for, is a Drawing that is fit for building and he did not get that, so he has to look for another Archy to do the job. So, the Client has lost all or some of his money! How many of this kind of situation should a Client go through, before getting a drawing that is fit for purpose? So, we can understand that person who said 'I will not pay UNLESS you give me a drawing that is fit for my purpose'. What if the Archy is one that has the habit of collecting money from Clients and not taking time to do a good job that is usable or he is just not good at his job but keeps making money here and there (based on EFFORT), by taking advance payment that he refuses to refund when his job is not acceptable? That is a Conman. On the other hand, what about Clients that act as if they dont like the job that the Archy has sweated over and then refuse to pay for it, using one excuse or the other, even after all amendments have been satisfactorily done? The Client then makes away with such job and the Archy loses for all his effort? That is a Conman. (b) In this option, the Archy FIRST does a SKETCH (no dimensions, just a layout or rough sketch) of the Plan for the Client to see and make amendments. Since it is nearly impossible to make a drawing the first time and not have the Client request for amendments because this is just like an Art work, 'two different eyes will always see it differently', the Client as a rule, will always have amendments to make. At this point, the Archy can request for a 'commitment-payment' which covers his effort so far. Does the Client pay at this stage or insist that the amendments should be done to his satisfaction, before committing money? What if the Archy refuses to do any amendments at this point, except he is paid? As, we saw in scenario (a) above, either of the party can be untruthful or unfaithful at each of this stages. If a drawing is not complete, it is still not complete and not usable, so Client has to spend another round of money with another Archy. For the Client, if the Archy refuses to do the modifications at this stage, he is still stuck with an UN-USABLE Drawing and as such, any money committed so far, is a loss to the Client, irrespective of the effort or best intention of the Archy. ConMan. But what if the Archy does the modification and the Client disappears with his job, while still insisting that he is not satisfied with the job? But l must point out that at this stage, since it is the Client that is determining what modifications he wants, it is very unlikely that if and when those modifications are done, the Client will disappear and refuse t o pay, because he has got a satisfactory job. In most cases, disagreements occur when Archy is not willing to accommodate the amendments of the Client. But you never can tell if Client is a Conman (c) Now, what if the Archy has taken his time to complete the job to the satisfaction of the Client, with dimensions and all and the Client still tries to fi[b][/b]nd a reason not to pay the Archy? this is not impossible because there are ConMen out there! What can the Archy do to ensure he gets paid? This scenario is the exact opposite, or the other extreme of the stick, to what we had in scenario one (where a rogue Archy tries to dupe Clients by collecting advance payment and not doing the job to the satisfaction of the Client, while still not returning the initial payment), but here, it is the Client that collected a full and complete job from the Archy and is trying to use an unreasonable excuse to not pay the full money or the balance? As we can see in all three cases, each party is capable of being unfaithful, along the line. So, how do we strike a balance that protects the Client from extortion and pays the Archy his due, for his effort? Nobody will like to pay for something that is not useful to them and a drawing that a Client cant use, is not useful to him, so he should not be paying for it, notwithstanding whatever EFFORT the Archy puts into it, Client is not paying for 'effort' but paying for a useful drawing. If you cant do the job properly, then dont expect to be paid for "effort". You are not engaged for "effort". Archy in this situation must be patient and listen to the customer and try to fulfill their requirements, by amending the drawing to their satisfaction but with a written commitment from the Client to pay him as agreed. Dont forget, what the Archy wants is PAYMENT for his drawing and what the Client wants is a USABLE DRAWING THAT MEETS HIS NEEDS. I am sure a Client can be prosecuted, if he refuses to pay for a completed job, based on the amendments you asked the Archy to make and which he has made. (Proof of their communication will prove that the amendments have been made and met). Clients too must also understand that Archys and other service Providers, are family men with financial need and everyone deserves a reward for their trade. If he does your job, you have to pay for it otherwise, he can seek redress from the law and dont forget, their is a bigger Judge watching both of you and God help you if that your house does not crumble on your head one day, for eating somebody's sweat. This idea that you can 'brain' someone into getting a professional job for free (except where it is their choice to provide it for free, as goodwill) is completely unacceptable. Both Client and Archy can also agree on staged payment but it has to be such that dissuades the Archy from abandoning job just because he thinks he has got some money that covers his "effort". In most jobs, nobody pays for effort. Making a small Advance/commitment fee is good, in my own opinion, once you get an initial sketch (say 10%) but just like any service provider, once the initial payment is high enough, complacency will set-in and no ones gets interested in doing the job where the remaining payment is not worth it anymore. So, l dont encourage a large down-payment. The Julius Berger example someone used up there is totally irrelevant. JB is a known and established world Class institution, their jobs are usually first evaluated by Consultants who work for the Client, whose duty is to set and ensure specifications are met, before JB even makes a bid and we have never heard that JB collected money from a Client and did a shoddy job or disappears. And no one pays for "bids", what happens is that you are required to pay a 'refundable amount' when bidding for a job and this is given back (to JB), if they dont get the job but JB does all the groundwork at its own cost. Imagine if every Company that puts-in a lot of Effort (Transport, drawings, Writings, models, etc) in bidding for a job and they dont get it, is now asking the person giving out the job, to refund them back their initial costs of putting in the bid or to 'pay them for their effort'? ![]() Where does that happen? It does not work that way at all, not anywhere in th world. Archys in other Climates, once they get a commission to do a job, they will do everything within their professional knowledge, to ensure the Customer is satisfied, and they get Paid at the end. You should not expect to be Paid for a job not COMPLETELY DONE, just because you put in some EFFORT. Insulting a Client is also enough reason to terminate any agreement, you just have to learn to be Professional and be Courteous. when it comes to verbal back-and-forth, remember what they say: Customer is King and no one insults the King without getting a bloody nose. ![]() Ofcourse, the Client can out of his own decision/compassion, pay the Archy a small amount for "effort", where they cannot reach an agreement on the darwing but that is at his discretion and l encourage everyone to do so, for future goodwill. What l think Professionals should always try to do is SATISFY the Customer's requirements and l am sure a lot of Archys do that and they dont have any complaint about not being paid. Insulting or belittling the Customer is a just a red Flag for any Professional, even if you are think you are the best in the world. Human relationship is the greatest resource any Service provider can have, that is why companies spend heavily on PR and Customer Service. Once your name is Tarnished, your Product is Tarnished. Maybe some Service Provider gets too rich and too big for their Clients and think they cant take shit from Clients, if that is the case, then they should know that younger and more eager Providers are springing up daily. But if you are that 'Client from hell', you need to change your ways before you hurt and destroy yourself. I have never heard any Client come here to complain that the likes of Spyder, Aventures, Gbadexy, Abdulwastesx, Kolashange and many more, have insulted him or her, why is that? Do they pick their own Clients from Jupiter or can it be that they go all out to satisfy their Clients? Food for thought. |
gbadexy:I know you, so l know you can do better than this! Dont throw away Clients because you are a 'gentleman' who does not do aggressive marketing. Put a link to those products, for the Client here, dont let him spend the next two hours looking for them. Give them average price so they know what to expect, within +- variations. Others like me who are not asking the question can also benefit, for future usage Thank you Sir All the above are still permissible, because it is a potential Client that was asking for it. ![]() |
shugabasbn:Who do you think are the Bandits? Bandits = Banditto I hope Greedy Rich Southerners like Tinubu are looking at how they are suppose to help their region, instead of further milking them dry and taking over what belongs to everybody. Northerners are industrialising the North (though using Federal Money) but Southerners in position are just so greedy and self-centred, exploiting the poor among themselves. |
However, the new interest is said to have attracted migration of herders and their livestock to the reserve. Alhaji Kiri Baushe, an elder and herder, said there were over 300,000 livestock domiciles in the reserve currently, even as he said more were due to arrive as work on the project progressed.Just imagine, not a penny of our Oil money has been injected to develop Agriculture or Animal husbandry in the South of Nigeria, even though it is the South that produces most of the revenue but the CBN, headed by that Southern Slave, under the directive of the Grand Patron of Fulani Herdsmen is spending #13Billion on a RUGA settlement in the North! I guess Buhari is also preparing for the breakup of Nigeria so he is spending all our money to develop the North. Evil, Nepotistic President wunmi590:ALL Nigerians are not dirty, it is the Northerners that cant differentiate between a Humanbeing and a Cow. ![]()
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Godwin2am:God bless you. If we had good Govt, this is what the should be looking into, immediately. If we dig deeper, you will find out that the "Labour Supplier" is one Northerner or one Big Man sitting somewhere, living large on people's sweat. If Dangotte is paying Workers #1500 and the Labour Supplier, who is just a Middle Man, is paying them #200, pocketing #1300 for himself, that is EXPLOITATION and is against Labour Laws of Nigeria. The Labour Supplier needs to be exposed, fished out and arrested by the Minister of Labour, Chris Ngige but that one is another dubious fraudster who is only concerned about keeping his job. ![]() |
Arrewa:Who are you to be saying all these nonsense? Where you there at the Protest? Where did you get all these Falsehood above? What is the business of Army with an Industrial Dispute or is that the Hoko Haram and ISWAP and Bandits we asked them to face? You just sit in your Thatched Hut somewhere in the North and type nonsense, just to please your "Arewa Mentallity" Once something is about Police or Army, you Northerners rush online to say rubbish well, it is those who are being killed in the South that suffer the pain so l dont blame your ignorance. ![]() |
eabiode:Their surrogates are coming online to come and tell us they will die of Hunger, if we dont give them back the TollGate! Abeg, they should die, if it is that Blood money that will keep them alive. Innocent Nigerians were murdered, just so that that TollGate can keep collecting illegal Tolls. |
#EndTollGate #SCRAPtheTollGate #DemolishTheTollGate Enough, is Enough. All the Promise of Alternative Route has not being fulfilled. The Toll is to expensive, it should not have been more than #100 but #250 today, it is Robbery by LCC We #SayNoToExploitation |
Karlifate:Truth is, the US just informed Nigerian Authorities, after the rescue has been completed and their Citizen was on American soil, because they need to let the world know about the rescue and they dont want to keep embarrassing the Nigerian Govt. Magashi read about it on Newspaper or on CNN Breaking News, just like all of us. ![]() He should stop acting as if he is important. |
YoonSung54:Dont mind these m0r0ns, l dont know who they think they are fooling! ![]() Two weeks after the incident, after they have removed the Cameras, where did they see these Camera? I bet the footage is just a way to exonerate themselves and solidify the lies that is being peddled that no one was killed at the Toll gate. Maybe it is footage from Raji Fashola's "misery" Camcorder. ![]() Yeeye dey smell |
inoki247:What do you expect, of a Govt that makes 'LYING' Mohammed, a Minister of INFORMATION? ![]() |
Well, instead of denying, Govt better explain why Odele was denied her flight and they better have good reasons. They must not only apologise, she must be compensated for such unnecessary harassment. Small time, they will say Nigeria is a Democracy? What Nigeria has is a MILITARY DICTATORSHIP in Aso Rock, comparable to HITLER, wearing Babanriga and using the phrase 'President'. |
hinere:Your initial post actually made a lot of sense and l dont know why @DrFunmi would think you were speaking ill of Dr.Val, in that post! Nothing is beyond this Buhari Govt, that fact we must all acknowledge. |
Why is someone making me think that it is the Govt or the Govt have a hand in his death? Covid-19 of all illness, at this time? What of Buhari's Cousin (Daura) that was flown to the UK under serious Covid arrests, according to Sahara Reporters, why have we not heard anything about him since then? RIP Doctor Val, if anybody/some people has a hand in your death, they will all die miserably. |
These Clowns just say rubbish and think they are Smart. Do they think the Youths of today dont know how to bypass any Govt lockdown on Social media? What are VPNS for? How do Chinese and North Korean dissidents get their information to the wider world, despite Govt ban? Abeg, make dem no vezx Nigerians o otherwise they will just be left behind. |
Our Soldiers are becoming something else, by the day!a The COWARDS [/b]that runaway from ragtag Boko Harm are the ones flexing Muscle on unarmed Civilians, is that not a bug SHAME on the Nigerian Army? [b]What has flogging a lady, got to do with Soldier work? What has barbing hair of young guys got to do with territorial integrity? Is this what Buhari has turned Nigerian Army to? One day, Civilians will hold weapons and face these Idiots in uniform, just like Boko Haram faces them.... and they will run. Then we will see where Buhari himself will run to. Human Rights International should come and see what Buhari using Soldiers to Harass and torment Southerners o, their nemesis are in Sambissa, they are down in Ibadan beating women? ![]() Mofos. |
Someone should please remind Obaseki, of all the promises he made before the last election, we want to see performance. Otherwise, he will vomit our Palliatives. . ![]() |
michlins:Thats nice to hear. You can keep the payment schedule and amount between the two of you for now (we dont really need to see the figures) unless "something like American election" happens. ![]() Dont show us the very private communications between the two of you (at least for now), he might not like it posted, just for privacy reasons. We trust you and we trust him until anyone proves otherwise. But you can keep updating us on the progress of the work` ![]() Weldone |
Ibk2020:Report the matter to the whole house here, with clear evidence of what happened. House will look into it and ask him for his own version and then House will advise on the next step. We have a duty to protect everyone here (Client, Suppliers, Contractors, Hobbists, etc) and sanitise the environment. One Person can cook for a whole Community, that is fine! But very dangerous when a whole Community Cook for you...... Whatever we bound on Earth, is bound in Heaven. ![]() |
This current Pope is an Anti-Christ in DISGUISE. He will do a lot of damage to Christianity before he dies, just dey watch. ![]() And the man can lie for Africa, ehn |
In this same meeting, they suppressed a part where one of them said the North owns 72% of land in Nigeria and therefore owns all the Oil in Nigeria, including that of the ND, because it is an extension of the landmass! ![]() See all of them clamouring for Social media Bill to gag the Southern Youths, so they can continue cheating southern Nigeria! Na Break, we must Break, if they refuse to allow Restructuring for Regionalism Association of Cheaters and Killer Herdsmen, sponsors of Boko Haram and Bandits |
Jasobry:Waoh! Waoh!! Waoh!!!(dont worry, that is just me sounding like a Police Dog in front of a bank ) ![]() Your Roof colour is very nice. The height is also not too excessive and the fact that your broke it up with shapes and that pigeon hole, makes it look really, really nice. Welldone. more grease to your elbow. PS: I hope you will chose very complimentary colors, for the walls so that it can really bring out the beauty with the Roof. No shouting or primary colours, my opinion |
Access14:Click on the person's username to open their Profile. You will see where it says "Send Private Message" (PM/DM). Click and message the person, It goes to the Email they used in registering for NLand. End. ![]() |
Ibk2020: ![]() I think he is getting better, l agree with you that he was very rude when he just joined this thread, he abuse everybody and had a chip on his Shoulder but judging from his recent posts, l am convinced he is a better person now, compared to them. |
coretechng1:I can name five to seven Builders here who will do a better job than any Chinese Company out there in Lekki Axis. Just ask. If you say German, European, American, Japanese, maybe you will be right but "Chinese working in Nigeria"? ![]() It is like looking for a Honest Lebanese in Nigeria, you will search tire because they are all crooks. ![]() |
Dennis3D:I am highly impressed wit this response! Dennis3D, you are game. ![]() I read your argument with a member here, some fifty or so pages ago but your post above shows that you are gradually joining the Big Club. That is how they got there, HUMILITY, HONESTY and RESPONSIBILITY. Keep it up Bro, God bless your hustle. |
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