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i think daddy freeze was only being consistent with his heresy.
many in modern Christianity never really believe the words in psalms and proverbs

well what can you expect from an Arminian DISPENSATIONALIST

KingAzubuike:
Suleiman is still better than the likes of adeboye and oyedepo who have turn their churches to a money spinning franchise and threaten you with hell, doom, failure and difficulties in life if you refuse to do their bidding. Genuine men of God are very rare, not in this generation of pentecostal churches.. Even the God himself most people don't believe in him. How will a God be up there and shine him korokoro eye dey look as innocent children died yesterday at the Lagos building collapse. A God that doesn't want his creation to live long and enjoy the good things of life that one na God?

I stopped taking you seriously when you said INNOCENT children

Death is the wages of sin.
We transgressed God's law in Adam who served as our representative. Adam disobeyed God and as a result, landed us in misery and eternal ruin.

No innocent person die. Even infants were conceived in sin

Populardemand:
A penury infested dingbat spotted

Jesus didn't die for every single person.
He died for the elects yea, those that the father gave him

Guess it's only Adeboye god (his version) eats with

I hate adeboye with the whole of my being.

GreatResearcher:
So infants that died committed sins? And the only way to escape death his to be seen free?

So Abraham who died committed sin?

I wouldn't be casting pearls before swine's....
What's your worldview? I have asked this several times.

MuttleyLaff:
What truth specifically, is man blind to please

A whole lot,1) he's blind to the fact that Adam was his representative. When Adam sinned, he sinned with Adam. I.e All men have sinned. Infants themselves die because they sinned in Adam. Death is the wages of sin. Anyone who isn't a sinner (Actual or imputed) can't die.
Jesus died because the sins of his people were imputed on him.

2) man is blind to his total depravity. He doesn't know that Romans 3:10-18 talks about him, yes as God sees him

My dear friend, you're all over place, skipping and hopping on to one subject of unrelated interest like "slave of sin" to another remote subject of unrelated interest or connection like "unable to do good". The freewill is unfinished business and you're jumping and/or dancing excitedly around to other remote subjects. You still are putting the cart before the horse

I understand why you think I'm skipping topics. And that's because you can't see the relationship between the points.
Everything i post on a particular topic is connected one to the other.

Now you've gone making it sound as if man after the fall had no residual good in them enough to do any ounce of good

Yes, he has NO RESIDUAL good.
It's either one is perfectly good or he isn't.
The state of being good doesn't admit of degrees (before God's law)

MuttleyLaff:
Of course now, I like it when people are ready and willing to stop putting the cart before the horse. It makes life and everything else become sweet, simple and easy, doesnt it?

Sure it does.

Man has freewill period. Whether to the dictates of his or her nature, freewill is freewill and the person has the freedom to exercise or not exercise it.

man, has freewill to act against his nature?surely you aren't saying that. It's both unscriptural and illogical.

Scriptures talk about men being slaves of sins.

It seems and I am strongly suspecting, you're one of those in denial of believing that people can behave and/or act out of character. Am I right or wrong about you on that?

What I believe (in accordance with the teaching of scriptures) is that man is DEAD IN SINS and trespasses, his eyes are blind to the truth, he doesn't understand God's words.

He knows how to do evil, but real good, he cannot do.

He's a slave to sin....
He's not some free neither good nor bad person.
He lost his purity when Adam fell and he's now unable to do good but very capable of all evil

At the op,
What does it mean to be born again?
I was passive in the activities with produced my physical birth. Would I not also be passive in the activities which would bring about my spiritual birth?

"''Can I born myself again?"""

MuttleyLaff:
What onlyinJESUS, came first the obedience command or the knowing evil and good desire?

Now make no mistake, my dear friend and brother onlyinJESUS, freewill came even before obedience and knowing good and evil and free will before it was abused and/or misused originally was given to decide whether to obey or not obey God's expressed command not to eat off the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Man is free and can choose between good and evil but the choice on itself is not good enough to save him. It is a good choice and start to make, to believe, in the existence of an Uncreated Living, Intelligent, Omniscient, Omnipresent, Self-Supporting, All-Powerful Omnipotent, Absolute Authority, and Influence Self-Existing Superior being.

Let's sort things out, but before we can do that, we have to take things one after another.

First, do you agree with me that the only freedom man has, is to act according to the dictates of his nature?

Therefore, even if we are to employ the word "free will" in this ensuing discussion, it must that man has a freedom to act only according to his nature.. Thanks

MrPresident1:
NO

Then, we are saved on the basis of our good works. Ryt?

Harshirama:
Hip hop is basically poetry fused into music. These guys have the talent and are using it in the Christian circle. Simple

Alright! Have it your way ..

If I may ask, what's the gospel?

Lol yea, even a dead watch is twice correct everyday

If you know you know.....

Harshirama:
Christian hip hop is a variant of Christian music, does the existence of secular hip hop make it unacceptable?

Question; why must you use hip hop?
Isn't there any other way by which your message can be communicated?

MrPresident1:
You are saved to be a righteous person

1 Timothy 6:11-12
But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

What is the doctrine of original sin?

We are saved to be a righteous person.
Can we still be saved even if we failed to do righteousness?

Harshirama:
Other forms of Christian music must be false then since they have similarities with secular music. Why do we use drums or the keyboard in a church if it's used in secular music then?. Lecrae has gone on several missionary tours, dude has preached in prisons and schools

Yea that why he hoped or wanted to feature Kendrick Lamar (another So-called Christian rapper)

Porn is a type of movie, since we both know that porn ain't good. Does that mean that other types of movie are likewise perverted?

Also, a man ACTS ACCORDING TO HIS NATURE.
I see a bird then think about flying, no matter how strongly I crave to fly like a bird, I WILL NEVER fly like one.

Why? Cause I have no organ for flight
Likewise, a man may really will or want to do good (i.e what HE PERCEIVES to be good) and still won't be able to.

A man may want to stop sinning.
In short, a man cannot stop sinning
It's the very foundation of his new fallen nature

GreatResearcher:
Today I met a theist returning from her place of worship.

She wanted to preach to me so I asked her this question 'WHY DID GOD GIVE US FREE WILL?' and her response was,

'God gave people a free will, so that we could make our own choices.'

i asked again,


'How do you justify that your imaginary loving version of god drowned millions of humans (including innocent animals) in a great flood for having the free will that he gave them?'

babe said she doesn't have answer for it.


So i am calling on NL bishop @jesusjnr2, NL archbishop @OnlyinJESUS NL Rev @MuttleyLaff and NL Evangelist @Victorian to come help her out.

I don't believe in that *goddess* by the name of FREEWILL.
there's no such thing as free will.
Before anyone who claims to be a Christian come swallow me, let's define the popular notion called FREE WILL

In religious circles esp Christianity (false version)
Free Will is the inherent or innate ability to chose between good and evil. So basically, when a SUPPOSED CHRISTIAN (like that lady) talks about Free will, she's talking about an ability to chose between good and evil.

Now, does that notion of free will exist? Definitely not, man is not free to choose or do between good and evil, fallen man is actually a slave yes, a slave of his own will. He can chose between this or that evil, but he can never do good, yea he can never do an acceptable GOOD in God's holy law.

In summary, man has no free will, he is a slave of sin yea the very slave and tool of the devil

Harshirama:
Why do we sing in church then, music is broad and has different genres, hip-hop is a genre of music. Simple

Really? And why do you have to rap or do hip hop to preach a Gospel?
Because you want to appeal to emotions.
No wonder, those that were brought into the church through *Christian* hip hop are false converts...

TTd2222:
What is this one even saying? Have you ever tried to listen to the songs? Tasha ft nicki was a good move, do you know how many of nicki’s followers was converted because nicki was on that song and they got to hear about Tasha and looked up her music ? All this Christians doing ITK, and yet yo are not as holy as you would want us to believe, it’s people like you that give Christians a bad name

Lol; it converted Nicki minaj's followers but failed to convert Nicki minaj herself

So, calling out hypocrisy is tantamount to giving Christianity a bad name...

Enouwem:
Here's one


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-41_ZBKcms

Exactly. This is one song by men plagued with a reprobate mind

Buffalo2:
You nail it bro. Gospel music is different gospel hip hop is another thing. If you want to serve God, you are welcome if you want to sing worldly song, so be it. It's same dance steps for hip hop that they take for the so call Christian hip hop o abi. Don't let's be deceived we can't serve God and mammon.

True! Besides even the so called Christian rappers really would love to feature secular rappers on their song.

Imagine a so-called Christian artist like Tasha Cobbs featured Nicki minaj on a *Christian* song...

Isn't that misplaced priority of the highest rank?..

You may Google and see the song.....

Then ask if Nicki minaj herself even believes in Jesus

Our righteousness being imperfect can't serve as a just basis for our salvation.

You have heard about the doctrine of original sin haven't you?

Omuneizzy6:
Happy Sunday nairalanders, Please I don't understand this, is it by insulting or lying or talking against the holy Spirit that makes one blasphemy against the holy Spirit.

Blaspheming the holy ghost means a continual denial of the workings of the holy spirit.
Leaving a life of perpetual rebellion against God and his precepts

Very simple.
There ain't no such thing as CHRISTIAN hip hop. Just as Christian adultery or Christian fornication doesn't exist

Proponents of the so called Christian hip hop aren't wise. They only appeal to emotions they have nothing to offer. They only give us emotional twists
Errant nonsense. Misplaced priorities

GreatResearcher
u said a god did not giv a flip abt me and i asked why d fvk does he want to put me in a fire?

You still haven't answered my question on your worldview.

Then for ur qustn on morality i know where u are walk towards but let me cripple u wit dis.

Belief in a God does not equal superior moral behaviour.

Lol, funny you, I never said that believe in God equals superior moral behavior.
My question is what is the standard by which you measure good and evil?
Is God subjected to such standards?

Genetic changes in the brain gave
rise to social emotions, moral intuitions and language

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Really? I haven't heard this before, I suppose that you are the initiator of this hypothesis.

Christianity is not needed for moral goodness. The argument that we cannot be good without God needs to die

what is moral goodness by what standards or law do you measure moral goodness?

GreatResearcher:
hav i insulted u?

Hello you making pontifications and you aren't really interested in this dialogue.
I asked you series of question which you didn't answer instead you started beating around the bush....

GreatResearcher:
ur bible says dat god created u in his image. So how come u are matter and he isn't?

Another baseless argument,
The statement that God created man in his image doesn't mean that God created man as he (God) is in himself (nature) else, man himself would be omnipotent etc..

There's an answer to that. I.e what scriptures meant by ".....in his image"
But, I won't tell you, I'd rather not cast pearls before swines.

You still haven't told me your worldview.

Are you an atheist

Alright, here's is one Christian who isn't afraid.
You guys seem to stereotype some for all....

Note: many if those who go to church aren't Christians, they are church goers.....
A Christian really would have an idea about battling atheistic (self contradictory) criticism

GreatResearcher:
where was he before the world?

This your question presupposes that you believe that God is matter, (mass and occupies space)

Your logic presupposes that you think God is like yourself (matter).

So, for me to answer your question, you've got to prove that God is matter as for me, I know God isn't matter, in his nature, he is incomprehensible so why bother myself.

I'd really love to know your worldview. You are an atheist aren't you?