LexngtonSteele:


Strong word, yes. But still right.

You are correct.

Terrible description nonetheless.

Very uncharitable and even unfair to the child who is the "innocent" victim in this case.

LexngtonSteele:


Yeah. I know a family friend who had 3 official children.

Not knowing that the yeye guy who pretends to be a Saint has sowed wild oats. He had 3 bastards as of last count. We know more will come out when he dies.

Wrong use of language in the bolded.
A dictionary would be useful here.

Perhaps illegitimate children would be more apt as a legalistic description.....even though that also falls short in the moral sense.

Absolutely no child is illegitimate.

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theredaddy:



Bro its time you adopt reality, i have being to different big bakery, i don't see up to 10 staffs and i doubt if the pay is up to 50k sef

Creating a welfare package for your staffs is an administrative cost that can not be undermine .. when we finish secondary school my friends worked in Ok foods .. then you can eat biscuit as much as you like but can't take it out, if you work in nigeria brewery you can drink there product on site but can't take it out, i know a worker in chicken republic, they are entitled to one meal per day thats enough incentive to forestall stealing food & litigation expenses
feeding staffs one day out of what you produce in mass can not kill your business ... except you don't have patronage at all.

Every other thing you say, you are just being petty and unrealistic.

Perhaps you are the one that needs to become realistic.

I have a major snacks production outfit. Even in these perilous times we do a minimum of 50 bags of flour daily.

In some snacks businesses including biscuits you can have 100 staff eating to their fill every hour without incurring losses because it's a matter of time and they get tired.

I challenge you to mention any mass market targeted bakery that can be that liberal.

On the question of feeding I think that is a matter of in-house consideration. You could choose to pay low wages and provide a soup kitchen level feeding or pay a decent wage providing staff with leverage and variety as regards their feeding.

All is a matter of choice.

theredaddy:



i know that foodco branch, i've being there several times to buy the bread ... i don't need to meet the Boss to know what greatly influence his reaction ... Wealth, power and connection are very intoxicating

Don't get me wrong, I am not encouraging or supporting "stealing" My stand is cutting off the head is not a medication for headache

Poverty & covetousness are nobody's business, But as a boss, the welfare of your staff is your business becos your business needs their best/efficiency

Let us not fool ourselves, a worker well paid, and also entitled to daily free bread has no reason to steal bread, What is the rationale he fit go steal milo & milk or mayonnaise but not bread

That boss is wicked cos he over reacted not becos he reacted, highest sack them is that not deterrence enough .. whu go like lose their job on top 1300 bread

Poor man wey steal maggi we go see their face for crime fighter ..

So as a bakery you make 500 loaves of bread daily, you employ a 10 staff and pay them 50k Monthly, you accommodate them and yet you still give them 1,300 worth of bread daily?

1,300x10x30 =??

Your business will thrive.

I hope you know that you have to add butter to the bread you dole out and that your sugar and milk must complement the daily bread. If you have sardines in stock you must add to it so that they don't steal.

Then you start to feed them...at first once daily and the twice and then thrice and eventually add mineral to the mix or beer on Fridays.

And then you have to help them with toiletries, and then boxers/singlets.

Then extend their living quarters to accommodate their grandparents who must move in to give them emotional support to enable them stay focused from stealing bread.

This is just act 1, scene 1.

theredaddy:



Employment does not negate under-paid, and zero welfare packages

So many workers in Nigeria are broke even before the end of the month cos of the cost of living ... with the fuel scarcity and hike in transport fare over 60% of workers will be broke before the middle of this month... reality bro
stealing 1300 bread every week is 9100, in a month 36400, that is not enough to enrich anybody in life so it as to be Hunger

I am happy you yourself recognise that it is stealing nonetheless. Somebody is being deprived. I don't care if it is 1300 per week or 1300 per day. Stealing will not be condoned. In my bakery if I catch you stealing on the 30th of the month you forfeit your entire month earnings. This is not debatable and is enshrined the agreement we have.

I am even going further now to insist that I save 2% of your monthly income and only pay you that amount at the end of your employment there and only if you are not sacked on account of theft.

I am looking for even more monstrous ways to check theft if not I must always work in the bakery and that is counterproductive.

All bakeries must learn to be one step ahead.

theredaddy:



I am a Bread fan, infact i drive down to bakeries to buy fresh hot bread these as got me acquinted with bakery owners & workers.
Oga i followed your analysis and i can tell you are not being fully sincerely ... in Nigeria bakery there is no waste, what you called oven defect is what we call "Open pan" infact when i was small we go to bakery to demand for oven defect, and reservations as to be made sef, we pay
So all that defect cost and estimate are not really tenable.

You said, workers hide inside toilet, under table, and do all sort to eat bread they labor to produce ... how about if those workers are entitled to one bread per day won't that solve all that worries.
You pay people peanuts but you are ready to spends millions to monitor them ... is that not penny wise pounds foolish.

I am not supporting stealing or whatsoever, my view is as a boss don't give your workers a reason to steal esp. food
As a boss that money budgeted for police and court cases use it to implement welfare package n watch your staffs give there best

I read through your piece and felt I should ignore but for the benefit of others I will attempt a response in all objectivity. But do understand that our experiences are quite difference and our skills/knowledge of this business equally different. Perhaps I should be a little immodest here just provide some context;

I am not a bread fan. I am a trained Food Technologist with particular emphasis on Ingredients engineering, Product development, Microbial Activity and capped it up with the Industrial Production Costing and Profitability.

Firstly, you can choose to label it with whatever name it. Losses are part of the business. Sometimes faulty ingredients fail bread. Yeast for instance fails from time to time. The bread comes out terrible and some bakeries remix the bread with new dough and some sell it off to piggery owners. It's a loss no matter how you look at it. That bag of flour has not yielded the desired profitability. Recall also that you can remix the dough but some productive inputs .......diesel, electricity, labour and time have been lost never to be recovered.

Why should workers be given one bread a day? Why not two loaves a day? Perhaps three loaves per hour would be more magnanimous?

Your understanding of economics are quite questionable? Do you even know how salary costing templates are developed? But then it's not really your fault we are all ridden with a deep sense of entitlement. I have worked in bakeries in different climes and only in Africa do people make demands on the employer for bread. Pls when you go to work for chemical plants producing Sniper I hope you also ask for a daily dose of the product.

Even bread delivery vans are targets on our roads. Beggars, uniformed men besiege you left and right just to have "a loaf" as if the company is a charity.

The abject poverty in our land now cannot take away our sensibilities. Borders must still exist. Stealing remains stealing. The personality of the thief and the object of theft are immaterial here. If you doubt this fact then try stealing Akara from a local Nigerian market and have the misfortune of being caught.

Good luck to you and your thinking.

Donaldoni:


I bought 5kilo of beef for 19k

So what are you saying?

5,800 per kilo here in my part of Lagos.

CommonSense1967:


It's not a waste.
If you don't set examples, others will do worse later.
If you steal 1 dollar from Walmart, they will prosecute you to the full extent of the law. Walmart is owned by one of the richest families in the world. There's a logical reason why they do that and it has helped their business. Most people now know that Walmart will prosecute you for any shoplifting. That's the way it is supposed to be.
We allow small crimes to slide then we complain when they become bigger thieves.

This is very true.
There was a very small theft in one of the Walmart outlets Kansas MS.

Young female Caucasian.
She was caught on camera.

Matter was pursued with Gusto.
Of course fueled by political undertones. Many aggrieved coloureds groups came up with references and the girl had to be prosecuted and jailed.

Sentence was however suspended.

I got to find out that Walmart did that send a very strong message across to it it's millions of staff worldwide. They soil your reputation completely in all ways possible such that getting a job in a reputable organisation becomes difficult.

A jailbird in US has a very significant connotation.

nedekid:
Chisos!!
₦2600 bread!!
Despite stealing not acceptable, Kai. This one must have been hunger.
God help people in this country we beg thee. People are going through a lot.
Where will they see 50k for bail ontop 2600 bread?
Abi should they have plead guilty and the judge give them option of fine?

On the contrary this is great help for them. The experience could harden them or it could reset their minds and thrust in life for the good.....permanently.

Ennovate:


In sharia law... stealing of things like this isn't regarded as stealing... when you steal food for 1-2 person is regarded as a hungry person not actual theft...

This Is new to me.

So if the person is hungry everyday he steals for 1 or two people everyday and he is forgiven everyday.

Very impressive. I think that law will have several caveats.

nedekid:
Chisos!!
₦2600 bread!!
Despite stealing not acceptable, Kai. This one must have been hunger.
God help people in this country we beg thee. People are going through a lot.
Where will they see 50k for bail ontop 2600 bread?
Abi should they have plead guilty and the judge give them option of fine?

A crime is a crime no matter how you look at it. I operate a small bakery on the side.

You make an average of 5 - 10k per bag of flour and if you are lucky you get to produce 5 bags daily consistently. Bigger bakeries make even less margins per bag but make up with turnover.

You have perhaps 5 - 10 staff depending on the structure of your operation.

The Assumptions continue;

You produce 500 loaves of bread a day (quite unlikely for a small bakery). Each loaf sells for 1,300.00 ex-factory.

1,300 x 500 = 650k (Projected revenue)

You have a 2.5 margin for defects, errors, returned products and quality control/R&.

16,250 already set aside for projected in factory losses.

650 -16,250 = 633,750

16,250 x 30 working days = 487, 500.00


487,500 x 12 months.........5,850,000.

This is just a rough estimate of what you can loose in one year from just being sentimental.

I've been building and advising bakeries large bakeries and food businesses for several years and I can tell for free...the easiest place to get a job in Nigeria is a bakery. Running on the same corollary one of the easiest business that fail are bakeries.

Even with digital cameras mounted everywhere you will lose bread unless you have a system which is carefully developed to suit your prevailing circumstances.

Bread can be eaten in toilets where there are no cameras.

Bread will be eaten underneath the work table and cameras won't catch them.

Bread is melted in the mouth without munching during packaging.

Bread is left in pans and rolled of of the oven.....in collaboration.

The step taken here should not be trivialised. The man is saving his business. He will take the boys there.....keep them in custody for at least 3 weeks and then withdraw the case.

His productivity will rise after he has asked for written and signed commitment from all staff that anyone who will be caught subsequently will be shown absolutely no mercy.

That should give him some respite.

Finally, those of you who have no business whatsoever and by business I.mean an operation that runs in your absence pls be careful and perhaps reticent about what judging people by their reactions because you never know the predicating actions.

Small causes...Great effects.

quadraheem:
You mean the judge could not dip his or her hand into the pocket and pay for these two people except that he granted them bail of #50k?

How many defendants can the judge pay for without eventually dipping his hand the till?

Sirmwill:


They asked it before they killed it na 🙄😏


Everyone knows how to ask snakes for their age naaw

🙄🙄

Humility begets learning.

Not everything should be a joke.

AareGaa:


You and your blodas dey vex as the costal road no go reach your mkpurumini, cursed region.

You go vex tire!

Jagaban is in control

Elections are over Dude. The final arbiters have confirmed Tinubu President. At this point we should be a bit more objective in appraising other opinions. What the guy said was not wrong in whichever context. This is a project of behemoth proportions. Why the rush? A second very large and contemporary refinery could take priority over this as I would like to think

Antiurchins:
Coastal road is good but not a priority for now

Only a mumu will see his children hungry and naked then go out to buy smart Tv because his neighbor has the same,why don’t you first feed and cloth them before frivolities

Apt!

My very position here.

It has nothing to do with political or ethnic
affiliation. This project is ill timed. Yes I understand that government is spending very little on the project......but even that little could draw us humongous benefits even if it just carefully and judiciously deployed to the Medical sector.

I mean look at the news the world still reads from Nigeria in 2024; just yesterday a child with an emergency could not be treated because of some stupid pecuniary excuse.

sunsweet33:


I think this is the bone of contention…how many parents bother to bond with and understand their kids?

The way you are approaching it is from a nice angle but just know that majority of African parents are not as enlightened as you. They merely see their relationship with their child as a means of control and subjugation rather than an expression of love.

If we even look closely it seems that this guy is even lashing out after a lifetime of being misunderstood!

That's the very firsts thing that struck me when I first read the post.......but the girl is the more foolish person here. I don't know her....I had to use Google to discover her. In her mind let them do what they want she will not sacrifice anything for this event.....emphasis being on the wedding ceremonies ...... She will deal with the consequences later. She is obviously desperate and there is nothing wrong with that......it's the handling that matters. All she needed to do was to in all humility cultivate a tight relationship with some other members of the family especially the boys mother. It would take time but then it would work......and if it doesn't work you move on. This option is like living your life walking sometimes on thorns and nails and then other times on eggs.

Don't underestimate the successes of private detectives in Nigeria. I am still amazed at what they can achieve. And the family is supposedly a well known and well to do one.

I don't envy her at all.

greypencils:
The girl is pregnant hence the desperation. The family took that drastic step because they don't trust her intentions. She is older and thus manipulative. It's also about the background. Some people have dirt poor backgrounds that no matter the amount of wealth they acquire, their past sticks out like a sore thumb. For example, how do you clean up an illiterate mother or father that can't communicate in English? If ones siblings have been unfortunate not to go to school and not cleaned up too, you can't hide them forever. It's just you, the shining light out of the dunghill, nah! They will classify you as part of the dunghill no matter how much you cleanup.

Great thinking here expressed in words.


Your reasoning is so apt.

Angelfrost:


When an adult son or daughter has taken a decision despite being advised otherwise by his or her family, it's best they let them be.

He or she is an adult, not a child!

Every man reserves the right to be foolish by choice... He should be allowed to learn the easy or hard way.

Dear Nigerians, know your limits... Life no suppose hard.

You are very correct here. But if you have a child and have bonded with him enough and are willing to protect him as much as you can then you will understand that parents do not have anything against any particular girl or boy introduced into the family.

They do however have a checklist that they use to scale the new entrant. There is a minimum score that must be met before consideration.

I have seen many marriages contracted against the parents involvement and non of it ended well.

The least you can do is to listen to your parents advice and appraise it objectively. They are most likely speaking/advising based on experience and finally what they see sitting down (with clear eyes) is what you will never see atop a mast (especially with love tainted glasses).

greypencils:
Old money will accept new money if new money is highly cerebral, intellectual, exposed and from a middle-class family background, not dirt poor.

One of the best posts here.

In times past it was very difficult to make a lot of money. Those who succeeded were so conducted themselves in a particular way and came very easily to shame. They also tried to ensure that nobody close to them soiled their reputation.

The Patriarch of that family had to strong willed in order to keep his proteges in line including not limited to wielding the big stick when necessary.

What this man would have done is to buy time and get one or two people who are lieutenants/confidants to the Patriarch over to his side and then seek a middle course of action that can lead to a somewhat amicable solution. It doesn't have to be a battle always.

He has too much to lose. In medieval Europe that family will destroy the girls business and the young man will be emasculated.

Holluwhakemmy:
Obi tried congratulations to him. Peace

Honestly, with benefit of hindsight, it would have been better if Reno had kept his trap shut than cause the unearthing of the above.

My respect for this man has further increased.

While most politicians want to lay claim to being the initiator of legacy projects we must also give credit to those who finish these projects, to those who maintain and even those who renovate and rehabilitate infrastructure.

I am simply awestruck by the achievements of this man. No wonder he kept saying "go and verify".

His enemies or traducers better do proper research before hitting the media space. Recall how attempts were made to rubbish him with tax evasion? His visit to the tax office is historic.

Jakande was a great Governor and focused on the problems of Lagos at that time.

Tinubu was a great governor too. His achievements can never be underplayed.

Obi is a phenomenon.

His performance in Anambra as governor was above par.

But for me the most important record for the man is the fact that nobody has been able to challenge his claim of a corrupt free status as a two term governor.

This challenge has been up for over two years and has been avoided even by his biggest antagonists.

Confirmedzombie:


How did Labour Party outshine PDP in the last election.

How many governors, Senators, House of Reps, House of Assembly does labour party have compared to PDP.

Una go just open mouth waaaa dey yan rubbish.

Come 2027, LP will lose all their seats except for Alex Otti who might win a 2nd term.

Read your post again and think through your words objectively and with some reflection of your education and enlightenment.

The contemporary Labour Party was until last year one of the least attractive platforms for consideration.

The party's best outing prior to Peter Obi was with Mimiko. A single individual brought the party back to national reckoning and you don't think the man is worth some recognition.

Like him hate him, history of political evolution in Nigeria will never be complete without Obi featuring prominently.

Jibwillz:

He's baiting you to the point he'll suggest a dispatch delivery and demand upfront payment.
That's how they roll
My interaction with one

I kept asking him where his shop address is and he kept avoiding that part of our interaction.

I insisted that I would only buy a laptop after inspecting it physically.

One has to be really careful with sellers here.
We live in very perilous times. Everyone trying to make a kill at the expense of anyone who is inexperienced enough to part with his hard earned money without due diligence.

My advice is that we concentrate on buying laptops from only verified sellers here. People who have received great reviews and there are quite a few of them here.

On the Electronics area the Alaba Connect Moniker has proven time and time again that he can be trusted with even large ticket purchases. He has raving reviews to back this this up. I am a satisfied customer myself.

The Mattress guy is also very above board. You can deal with him with your eyes closed and you will exactly what you bargained for....and even more.

The lady Uniquewise is a Merchant. She is a transaction facilitator. She interfaces between Property owners/sellers and prospective buyers. Her prices will therefore be a bit higher than the direct owner/seller. But you can count on the quality of what she brings to the platform. Above all, with her ............what you see is what you get.

That is my very personal understanding of the activities going on here.

It's a great thread with a lot of myriad interpretations of the concept of clearance. However it's a useful thread for both sellers and buyers.

Let's try to keep it that way.

olulambert1:
Same thing when I called him
When he eventually reached out he proposed picking up the laptop at night which I declined
The guys is a potential scammer

Has anyone here bought anything from him prior to this advert?

My exchange with him was riddled with uncertainties and a blatant refusal to respond to my questions directly.

Imagine that for such a delicate transaction we would have to meet at a bus stop.

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Inosky:
Greed that all! They want to make all the money at once. ShopRite bread is 1500, and street long loaves here is 1,700. Greed, greedy greediest

Your comparison is without basis.

justmi1:
If you think bread is expensive, enter marker buy ingredients and bake your bread or eat something "cheap", saying this respectfully

Smart response. Bakers are only putting together raw materials bought from the market. They don't produce wheat, sugar, margarine or even salt. Neither do they refine diesel or Gas.

justmi1:
If you think bread is expensive, enter marker buy ingredients and bake your bread or eat something "cheap", saying this respectfully

Smart response.

Silentgroper:
Maybe we should start doing it the revenue boost way .. mix up the wheat flour with cassava flour make the Godforsaken bread ... That's if it can be used to make bread though

This has been tried before with some measure of success. The ratio of Wheat flour Vs cassava flour is the important variable here. It will take a lot to convince the generality of Nigerian consumers to switch to a hight content cassava flour bread.

Then again you need large investments in milling to process cassava flour that will produce the quantity required by our rather numerous bakeries.

Why not try to find out how many metric tonnes of wheat is brought into the country on a monthly and annual basis? You will be shocked.

You can't replace wheat with cassava in the short or medium term.