Weah96:


He doesn't mind presenting absurdity as rationality. The iPhone is God, too according to him, because it happens to be a very influential thing. If you follow his logic, or lack thereof, you will soon realize that there is no limit to what can be God. Even your favorite pillow or pair of shoes can be God.

smh.

johnydon22:

Thanks Bro but am not an atheist. . . i just dont care if their is a god or not what/who ever he/she/it is i dont know neither do i care to know just like i know none of the religions know they just believe they know and hope they are right..... all i care about doing good to all of humanity treating every human on earth with great love and care, not judging anybody and preserving the earth which i can see and feel... and learning as much of the earth as i can so i can fully understand how to do good to my earth and mankind.

Perhaps, you are best referred to as a Non-theist.

johnydon22:
sacrificing the earth for paradise is giving up the substance for the shadow

Great...

Weah96:
You're not going to achieve anything by talking to Folly. He's on my troll list and will be on yours too. Just give it some time. He hasn't yet unleashed the full power of his silliness yet.

This Folly person once told me that GEJ, the Nigerian president is God, according to the dictionary. He then proceeded to tell me that GEJ possesses another God called Ori Apesin, bringing the total number of Gods inside GEJ to 2. His wife also possesses this Ori thing, and she is a God too, according to the dictionary, so at any given point, there are no less than FOUR Gods locked behind the doors of the presidential chambers.

The guy is more of an occupational hazard.

I dont even think he can take himself any seriously than any other person would.

FOLYKAZE:
A pursuit or interest followed with great devotion is a religion.

Atheism is not followed with "great devotion", its just a lack of belief. Not swimming can also be said to be followed with great devotion.

Knowledge is facts, information, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject. Awareness or familiarity gained by experience of a fact or situation.
That is gotten by simply googling "meaning of knowldge". Perhaps you can do the same before you show your ignorance about definitions.

Your experience cannot be a belief anymore, because you now know.

If you dont believe pigs can fly, and dont feel like proving it, why are you asking me for proof that gods dont exist?

Ok, all those things like love etc that you are calling god are abstracts, like god, they are not real. So beliefs do not still matter, they are not just real. Ok?

Very soon, I will be trading churches in forex, and will be buying and selling them in stock market...

Hiswordxray:

It is only a fool that without choose to settle with almost nothing when he could have much more.
And who is in deception? The one who freely enjoys all that God has to offer or the one whose unbelieve and denial is causing him to lack something so great.

Aeya I'm just pitying you. Anyway I can't force you, just continue missing and talking junk instead of eating meat on the king's table.

Guy, even a mad man think he's king with his own palace, and all others are missing on something only he enjoys - madness.

That's you right there

sufido123:


You are also an atheist but you don't want to acknowledge this fact. If you really think about it, you share the same view with Frostbel unbeknown to you. If you are a Christian and it turns out that Allah is the real God, guess what? That makes you an atheist because you don't believe in God. If Budha is the real God and you are a Muslim or a Christian you are an atheist because you don't believe in God.

We can extend this to many permutations and you will see that you do the same thing Frostbel did which is to dismiss your Christian doctrine. You do the same thing every day. If you understand why you dismiss Sango and Ogun worshippers, you would understand why Frostbel dismissed your belief.

Frostbel just believe in one less God than you do but methinks you are both atheists using your own logic.

So, there are people who still don't know me on this forum?

I am an atheist already, I became one years ago.

FOLYKAZE:

So tell me sir, if atheism is define as disbelieve in the existence of god, then would you tell us that gods - logicboy, yourself, natural entities, planetary bodies, money and consciousness does not exist?

I have already defined the god atheists disbelieve. Whatever definition of god you have apart from this is your own head ache.

FOLYKAZE:


Na my auto completion write pattern, I met to write plaetton. Sorry.

Well to plaetton, energy is God the creator. And to you, it is eternal either as matter or whatever; but it is not intelligent. I learnt everything including we are made up of energy and we are sapiens. . . .so how come? That for that.

If energy in matter and vice versa can be alpha and omega- read rev chapter 1, does that not make it God?

Do you disbelieve in God(energy)?

Before you answer, decipher on this http://freethoughtnation.com/defining-the-concept-of-god-as-energy/ .

Now do answer pls, do you disbelieve in God (energy)?

Yes. Energy is energy, god is god. If you want to worship energy as god, then I will still disbelieve in your god because energy is never to be worshiped. You can as well start worshiping a tree and expect me to share your (silly) beliefs.

FOLYKAZE:
Love is God. . . . .do you disbelieve in love?

No, but I disbelief in love being god. I separate love from god.

FOLYKAZE:
Lets talk about Gaia. She is a goddes. Do you disbelieve in her existence?

Yes

FOLYKAZE:
Not my definitions sir.

Humans are gods according to dictionary and bible.

Nature is god. Read about Mother Earth.

Universe is god to pantheists.

So how is the definition mine?

These are all beliefs.

FOLYKAZE:
Sorry, knowing of knowledge is also a belief. Justified belief though.

I see you have problems understanding the meaning of knowledge and belief.

FOLYKAZE:

Who claim that pig flies?

Strong atheist admit and claim there is no god. We can also ask them to prove there is NO god.

I can also ask you to prove pigs dont fly.

FOLYKAZE:
actually not energy, the god. Cannot be destroyed. . . .omnipotent God.

There is no god.

FOLYKAZE:

red herring!!!!!!!

My oxford dictionary says football is a religion.

I cants see how atheism isnt.

Read your dictionary again. I am sure it didnt say "football is a religion" as you said it, but that it can be a religion depending on the fan.

Atheism is a lack, football is an involvement. So both follows different path, you cannot therefore compare both.

If not believing that pigs can fly is not a religion, not believing that a god exist is not either.

Hiswordxray:

Well it seem you are not ready.
Keep missing out while I enjoy the truth, love from the God who is love himself, supernatural powers always working for me and a hope of a glorious eternity.

Have fun with your logical reasoning and I hope it will help you in your time of trouble.

I will and it does.

You are the one living in deception.

Hiswordxray:

Is that what you tell yourself?

yea

esere826:


You are a free agent
free to make your choices

I do not condemn anyone that chooses to step back and do some thinking
God or nature gave us brains for a reason

Better peace without the knowledge of God
than strife, bitterness and hatred with the convoluted Knowledge of a God

My own knowledge gives me more peace than I have ever had
.....bless you or something like that

Thanks...

esere826:


hell?
i am not into that line of gist when it comes to my relationship with God

But if there is indeed a God different from the one I connect with, and he feels i deserve hell
well, we go plenty naw

Jokes aside, I am not bothered about hell
that fear was long ago killed in me
maybe that's why I am able to chat with you guys like this

Perhaps you can have a glimpse of how I feel about your god. He died in me long ago too.

Hiswordxray:

4). You are deceiving yourself by saying God does not exist.
5). You are in nairaland religion section because you are hoping someone would help you with your heartache which is as a result of lack of Jesus.
6). You have a lot of doubt about your stand.

So tell me, are you ready to come to the light?

Am I ready?

You take your assumptions for fact. That is a fallacy.

But I will play along, just to get to the bottom of this.

What is this light and how do I come into it?

Hiswordxray:

1). You know God exist.
2). You long for him.
3). Your life will be empty without him.

Care to know more?

Yes pls..

Hiswordxray:

The God who created you is my friend and he tells me things (though not everything).
So there are things about you that you don't know but I can tell you.

Ok, tell me pls...I want to know.

Hiswordxray:

And you believe this?

Of course not, but its is true simply because its true. It doesn't mater whether I believe it or not.

Hiswordxray:

No but I know you more than you know yourself.

You got me laughing....

How can you be so deluded? People should actually pray for you.

This is pathetic. You know me more than I know myself?

Good comedy though, I like it.

Hiswordxray:

This is true because it is true.

You know what else is true because its true? That the Flying Pig actually created the universe.

Hiswordxray:

Because you know in your heart that the God I preach is the only true God.

Oh, so you can read mind now? How do you know what I know?

Hiswordxray:

What Jesus did is so great that anybody that ignores it deserves the worse punishment.

and this is true because?

Hiswordxray:

Judging by faith in Jesus is the only true justice.

and this is true because?

Hiswordxray:

Am totally HONEST.

You know, any one can make claims of extra-ordinary events.

I could say the Flying Pig saved from anything, and I just can't explain how it happened.

In fact, all religions claim miracle, so tell me why I should take your testimony any seriously than I would take that of Osun worshiper?

Hiswordxray:

My believe that something should had made many impossible happen in my life.
I have seen things the people considered impossible because I foolishly believed in God. I am seeing incredible result that that you would never see in your life time.

So tell me which is better? Foolishly believing in God and seeing incredible and supernatural result or being wise enough not to believe in God and seeing natural result or even no result.
All you have are argument but I have more.
You are seriously LACKING.

Guy, be honest with yourself now, will you?

Hiswordxray:

If you die without believing in Jesus and you find out that Jesus is real. All your good works is a waste and you would go straight to Hell.
It is only by believing in Jesus that you can participate in his glory.

This gospel of yours, that treats a good man to hell, and an evil villain to heaven - all because of faith - is the biggest lie of all time in human history.

It betrays logic, it betrays justice, it betrays morality, it betrays goodness, it betrays conscience, it betrays simple common sense.

It can never be real.

If there is a creator of the universe, he sure knows better than to judge by faith.

esere826:


What if God exists?
What if God does not exist?

I think those two questions are relevant

Our beliefs cannot change whether God exists or does not
but it can affect how we approach our world and those around us

Perhaps, but then, your whole life would have been based on mere assumptions. It would have been a total waste.

If I die to find out there is a god, then my work shall be used in my judgement. I will be judged fairly because I did not subscribe to any god while on earth, but open to the possibility of any god.

If you die to find out Yahweh is not the true god, its a straight to hell for you. Because you already lost the bet.

Your beliefs make you a gambler.

esere826:


I said belief not FACT
This has no negative influence on me ...it probably has on others
If I want to cross the sea, I'd take a boat and not try walking
if I am in plane that is going to crash
and there is no scientific method available to stop the crash
what worse harm would it do me to believe that it can be averted by the mighty harm of God?

You are still not getting it. There could be no harm done, but belief is only a belief.
Its a lie, a delusion, an abstract. Its a temporary feel-good drug that you are probably addicted to.

Believing that a god can avert the crash does not mean it will happen. Why not spend your last minute thinking about the love of your life than wasting it on a delusion called faith?

esere826:


This just like the belief in God does not address the question "what was before this?"

What was before god? Whatever your answer is, is your answer to that question.

esere826:


What you've said is true alright
i.e that proof can not rest on mere belief

Although It was not me you were responding to, but considering that I can be reluctantly bunched into the 'superstitious' crew ...reluctant because even me dey tire for my co travellers
while you thankfully belong to the logical camp but on the other side
let me intervene a little to explain what you call our self delusion for the incredulous.


we (and I guess other religions) believe that the start of everything was initiated by a being
Lets call that initiation point, point O

We believe that this being created a logical process that drives from 0 through 10 all the way to infinity or the end.
We believe that that this being is able to and does intervene in points in the system journey after point 0.

Now, if we've believed the beings intervention in point 0, we are not swayed when you guys tell us that he did not or is not able to intervene in other points after point 0. We do have different narratives/views of how the being is able to intervene in the journey through time.

Since we believe he can intervene, we find it credible to believe stories we were told of his intervention even if we did not witness it. We call this miracles, signs and wonders.

Now, your goal on the other side should not be to concentrate on points after point 0 except you want to credibly show us how we are being deceived by men that say that they are able to cause the being to intervene. If you do show us this, it weakens our trust on these men, but we still seek the being.

What you should concentrate your efforts on is to prove to us that point 0 never occurred with the beings input in the first place. If the being did not do it, then he is powerless in the process thereafter.
For now, all we have from you guys is the big bang theory.
This just like the belief in God does not address the question "what was before this?"

We on our side can even better argue that God being spiritually infinite, was always.
The same cannot be said of matter which produced the big bang

So we do have a logic to our madness for now
So strike the root and only then will our edifice crumble

Do you know how many times you mentioned "believe"? I could not even count.

@Bold - Since its all belief, you can argue anything...

But be advised that belief is not reality. You are therefore only wasting your time.

musKeeto:

Indeed, beyond the limitation of biology and into the realms of fantasy and magic, where all good lies breed.

PastorKun:


It most definitely is not biology, it's way beyond the limitations of biology.

See self-delusion. Why do you people just enjoy to lie to yourself all in the name of belief?

By faith, you believe that a virgin was pregnant, and this is proof that a virgin was actually pregnant. SMH

lordmayor2013:
Pls which of the rat killer did u use??

You can use any