Pelletized feeds are better in the sense that the feeds formulation are consumed as a whole in smaller bits by the birds... Hence an assured balanced diet of the the feed formulation is dispensed properly and consumed by the birds in every pellet eaten... unlike mash where some birds can quickly develop interest in a particular ingredients of the feeds...say maize or soy bean. The birds actually has a lot of option when feeding on mash which can be counter productive. Uniformity of birds on pellet feeds are easy to achieve.
Mash has an advantage in the sense that you can ferment it, and can be produced quickly by feed mill. However, Pelletizing requires certain skills and machine to consistently produce the right size and quality of feeds. Pelletized feeds crumbles easily when in prolong contact with water which can become a serious burden for birds to consume. It however reduce wastage if managed properly.
kay29000: Hello guys, I want to know which is better for optimum growth between pellet feed and mash feed. I was going home yesterday when I overhead a lady in the bus instructing her son to go and buy chicken feed and make sure it is pellet feed type he buys as Christmas is in just three weeks time.
Then I got home, and went to buy my regular Top Feeds Finisher mash when the guy that sells to me told me Top Feeds now make pellets finisher feed. I bought the pellet instead of the regular mash feed I usually buy. When I got home and gave my birds (male Noilers), they ran away from the feeder, and stayed at one and of the cage, like I had introduced an intruder into their midst. They stayed that way till the end of the day. But when I woke up this morning, they had finished the pellet ration I gave them last night. I gave them some more, and they ate. But I noticed thy don't eat as much of it as they used to eat the mash feed.
I just want to know, for the experienced ones out there...for optimum growth, which is better between pellets feed and mash feed. Thanks.
EMMAACHILE TURK Organicfoods Farmafric FarmerGiantpage
Pellets all the way... But it has to be excellent feeds.
Brooding Stage: This is the most crucial stage of pullets raring. It's between 1 week to 8 weeks. It's unusually long for this system because it's the most crucial stage in Organic Layers production. If you miss it here, you will suffer later. The worst part is that this problem becomes a bigger problem as times goes on.
The first two weeks is even the most important. Thankfully we have developed supplements that makes the journey very easy. They will help you grow the birds effectively without heat, vaccinations or antibiotics for 8 weeks
Day 1: BIRDS SOURCE You must be very sure of the birds source before stock. We use the ISA brown pullets. Always patronise trusted birds supplier. If you fail here, the future will be bleak. Because layers are function of their parents stock.
Parent Stock : Pullets will ever take after their parent stock. If parent stocks are bad in laying and performance, the pullets will grow up to be one
Most popular hatchery are popular because they have good parents stocks. Always patronise good hatchery.
Rogue Hatchery and Agents: Many rogue hatchery/Agents has special ways of polluting popular hatchery sometimes... They use popular hatchery cartoon to package their birds for unsuspecting customers.
Remember layers are meant to stay longer... At least 2 years, you don't want to have problems along the line. This usually the pitfall of many poultry farmer Once you have rogue birds, your problem sticks longer and becomes bigger and bigger as your journey continues. Imagine you spending millions on point of Lay from a rogue hatchery.... It's problem for the future that sticks and wreck the farmer.
So for starting a successful eggs production poultry business, you must get birds from a very reliable source... I can not over emphasis this.
How do you recognise rogue birds: They die like die itself. From day one, no peace of mind. You can't sleep and they can't sleep.
Unhealed Navel: Most of their navel are Unhealed, they are fresh and sometimes with fluids. They look very weak from day one.
None uniformity: You will notice several differences in sizes, plenty small weak looking birds.
Sicky Poo: Sticky poo at the vents, with tiny broom like legs that can hardly manage to carry the weight of the birds. Dull and unwilling to move, eat or drink water. They die quickly.
Unmarked Cartoon : Usually they are boxed in unmarked cartoons. Rogue Agents will always lie about their origin and many more... Like original cartoon got destroyed plus plenty of more lies.
If rogue birds survive, they survive for more problems for the farmer. They grow very slowly and takes very long time to lay...most will not lay long or specialises only in laying small eggs. They go into molting quickly and usually die when you were ready to enjoy them
Brooding : Feeds. We consider feeds as medicine in Organic brooding system. You have to see feeds as the first source medicine which must never be polluted in any way. Use feeds without molds at all times for your birds. Feeds with molds are potential flash points for diseases.
Most farmers never check the manufacturing dates of their feeds. They just pick them up and use. Always buy feeds that are not more than 2 months old from dates of ex manufacturing. Check the labels. Ones feeds are moldy, return them and don't manage them for the birds. This will compromise their immune system and cause even bigger problems for you.
Chicken feeds must come with very good smell (roasted soy bean). It should never be stale with rancid smell.
Rancid stale smell is a sign of poor quality feeds ingredients or sign of expired feeds... Usually this occurs when full fat soy are parts of the ingredients or any oil based ingredients or even fats.
The training have started. Though not everyone has been able to get their birds and supplements as planned... they we surely join us in due course. You should have the products in the video handy in order to join us in this journey.
Finally, we are about to start off with our maiden free live training on Organic Layer production. This will be done simultaneously on whatsapp and here on Nairaland.
If you are interested, you only need to buy some birds from Turks and Some supplements from us.
We are starting off with 25 birds. This way we can inspire others together by growing these birds real time. With this free training, we should be able to show that it's easy and profitable to grow layers than broilers. Because eggs are cheaper to produce compared to broiler.
Starting Date is 31th August 2018. Make sure you have 25 pullets supplied by Turks, And you have these products ready : 1. LAB 2. Tagiri Super 3. Immune Booster 4. Energy Supplements 5. Eggs Booster
This training will open your eyes to the easiest way to handle pullets from day old throughout their laying years.
If you have someone looking for what to profitably, please tell him to join us here. This training will expose you to a lot of secrets on how to be successful.
1. You will learn the best way to brood pullets to produce good layers that will lay longer. 2. You will learn how to treat the pullets right in order to get the best rewards. 3. You will learn how to produce your own feeds and add herbs to reduce mortality and costs 4.You learn how to use growers mash only for eggs production without compromising eggs size and quality. 5. You will learn many secrets!
@Organicfoods I Know You Very Busy Just Try And Make It Up To Us That Are Waiting To Learn Form You, Most Of What You Are Doing Am Getting It Form Other People That Keep Refering To You Plz Bro Lets Always Here Form You, i Have Ur Product But I Have To Go To Some Of Ur People To Learn How To Use It. We Are Waiting Bro Thanks
Thanks For the message... been every busy on some research lately. I will be sharing it on Nairaland soon. This is the final game changer for everyone. I Will finish up with all my write up as time permit... only I've experienced some real back stabbing...so I kept mute for a while...I paused to see if they have stuff of their own, but they kept reframing and remodelling many of our work.
Here we are again doing the best we can in the agric sector. Over the months, my project had generated a lot of interests, some positive and many negative. My greatest joy is having many following in my foot steps with astonishing success.
Now it's time to crown it with financial smartness. I will show with real time project on how to beat cost on feeds by as much as 50%. You will be reading this for the first time ever.
uchpanila: This is the bird, would have uploaded a video but it's not uploading, I don't know what it's suffering from, something like seizures, making its neck go back and can't control it's movement. Please who can help with what to do to the bird.
Sorry brother, I know you are not the OP but this post is why I decided to make comment here again
There is no way you can achieve positive result without using manure or compost. Sir, the lane you are is where I am too and we are good with it. Why? Every farmer knows the benefits of organic matters. Even inorganic farmers recognise its need. Microbes feed on organic matters, ammonia and nitrites and they convert these to nitrates. Logically, they feed on urea and ammonia salts too and that is what OP has failed to recognise. So, farmers who do not use at least 30 tonnes of compost per hectare are terrible. When you use just one handful of manure per plant, you are wasting your time and destroying your soil as a farmer.
I didn't want to honour you with a reply, but when you started spewing gibberish as facts then I know you lost it totally, now you deserve one. Something obviously is troubling you about my progress here, you seem to be knowledgeable enough only for criticism without full education on the topic called organic. You contradict yourself a lot. Why do you need farm yard manure for Urea not to destroy your field. Common dude, you shouldn't waste your knowledge and energy here starting a debate you will always loss, you can open your own thread and teach people the correct way to use Urea with manure and how to handle and use dangerous chemicals on the farm, I think many conventional farmers will learn a lot from you. I advice you to stop wasting useful time here trying to fix what is not faulty.
Urea is just the same as urine. Even human urine can make plants grow excellently and it why people use rabbit urine. Excellent source of ammonia. The irritsting smell and harshness is what drive away pests. The same way urine burns is the way urea burns. If you use the right dose, the right way, you will not have problems at all. [s] In the paper i shared, I am sure OP is just bent on making baseless points. [/s][s]By the way let him expose bacilus to 36C Nigerian sun for 90 days and see what happens. It is not a rocket science, they will die and not a single one will remain so what is he talking about?[/s]
Obviously you demonstrated your all roud ignorance here, You know nothing about microbes and never assume a position of authority on this, UV resistant Bacillus subtilis will out live your condition of 90 days. Don't say what you don't know. I pardon you because you are knowledgeable enough for criticism and not for objectivity. [s]I will move further just to tell this OP that not everyone is stupid.[/s]
Your link contradicts what you appear to stand for. Do you even read all, I am afraid you made no point with this article. http://scialert.net/fulltext/?doi=ja.2010.102.110&org=11 [s]www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/all/faq7758[/s] This one leads nowhere, where you sleeping or in a haste to be relevant here. See I read and make use of what I positively, and also share my results with many to explore, I don't copy miserable links like this to belittle others.
These links do not support 100% inorganic urea increaes microbes. You will see the positive and negative sides. Do not just see one point and jump to conclusion; rather, think deeply with the materials. I deliberately chose balanced links and papers.
If you really want to know that urea promotes microbes, use fertigation and inject urea daily with very small dose. I mean very small and come see the difference. Do not use side dressing, use fertigation
You appear to be good in this, why can't stick to it, or better still show how many others can benefits benefit, why waste your time been pained over my progress
[s]Please read those links. If possible download the pdf file there. OP does not know what he is talking about by saying urea kills microbes seriously. If you read the links, you will see it is very safe to use manure + urea + NPK. [/s]
Why are you using manure, have you ever trained anyone with this methods, or you just pull this out to discredit me, we are talking of Urea and here you are adding manure to it, this is a fruitless effort...besides the manure can be used alone with excellent results has provided by your article, why do you need urea? papers are just papers until you use it on the field and prove it...this is what I have been doing with whatever I found fascinating about organic. You have proved nothing until you can replicate it yourself with excellent result. I score 0 over 100 for making references to other people work that you can easily provide evidence yourself, until then, it remains on paper. Yet you lost that again
The above link is a balanced debate but you will see traces of organic promoters dancing to inorganic tunes unconsciously. Of course, I prefer organic food too.
You are driven only by commercial purpose and not care. You want organic foods and you are promoting chemicals, are you ok? You kept contradicting yourself shamefully
[s]OP says he invented adding fruits to his so called concoction when all those fruits have been used. The person who has the patent lives in Japan and he is still alive till date. If you want me go down the lane of this arguement, this OP will not like it at all. Using fruits and herbs are called: Fermented Fruit Juice, and Fermented Fruit Herbs respectively. What kind of invention is this man talking about here? I see no invention at all. It is only people who do not know these things OP can make such claim to. So then, OP should go get the patent if he invented them. Since the date OP posted his so caled invention cannot be changed on nairaland, let him use it as a proof. OP, I challenge you, kindly register your patent. If OP needs fund to register it, let him post it here and I will campaign for him. If he cannot do this, please stay silent OP and do not come here to brag you invented anything. You invented absolutely nothing OP. [/s]
I can see where your problems is...you are sorely pained. Well I have invented a system of brooding chicken from day old without heat using this invention that's throwing you off balance. Black people are with black brains, when they are half educated, they destroy their own, when they are not educated they feel cheated, and when the are educated they see others as their problem for no reason. You know all these about Fermented Fruit Juice and your so called fermented fruit Herbs and you haven't explore it, What are you waiting for? I have studied my traditional farming system ranging from South Korean organic farming system to Japanese and Chinese method, I have blended it with African roots and herbs to produce a unique product that can be used to brood chicken from day old without heat and you come here to spew trash. You can order my product and verify my claim instead of giving yourself heart attack over another man's progress... I know why you are like this, again you lost it.
I do not expect OP to still accept the fact that fertilizers are not evil but using them wrongly is evil.
[s]1. OP uses inorganic Epsom salt but he claims he uses small dose so it is ok. Lol.[/s]
When there is no suitable organic materials to achieve the desire results, inorganic can be used, we only don't depend on it. The organic aim is to make sure we have permissible level of certain chemical residue in the final product. You appear to be on a factory default, you hardly learn
[s]2. OP criticized the man using urea which is the same salt like Epsom he uses. The man tells him that small dose like Epsom is needed but he blindly continues arguing baselessly. Is it not funny? Those who kill microbes use over dose. Funny he disregarded the over dose theory but insisted that urea is evil because he wants to promote his so called "fake 100% organic" [/s]
Why use Urea and manure when manure will serve you, when combined with effective microbes you get better results. You have problem understanding the fact about organic because you are coming from a confused background. I don't blame you, let me simplify, where organic alternatives exist, the organic farmer will avoid using Urea and NPK. I think you should be able to understand it.
[s]3. OP has colleagues who use many evil salts. OP and his colleagues accepted Calcium Cabornate which is used by painters, calcium hydroxide, potassium hydroxide, potassium carbonate, boron, etc in aquaponics, yet they criticized urea and NPK which are in the same category.[/s]
How can they be in the same category, we have food grade chemicals with varying concentration and industrial chemicals, You are mixing them up and messing up your claims...You know nothing about chemicals. [s]4. OP and his colleagues turned blind eyes to usage of NPK and Urea in fish farming, yet they critized using it in crops.[/s]
I have never recommended Urea and NPK in fish farming. Please get your facts right. I don't know why you have to lie here, anyway this is what critics are good at.
[s]5. OP in his comments supported using [b] plastic mulch . Very funny he has forgotten that no matter how excellent it is made, chemicals residue which kill microbes will be left in the soil. Plastic mulch kills some mirobes because they leave residue. It is the plain truth.[/s][/b]
What are the residues that will kill microbes? You take half truth and in your mind assume it's the truth
[s]6. WHAT works for OP and his colleagues are good like mulch plastic, Epsom salt, bicarbonates etc. Tell OP to use natural materials like straw and fill 1,000 hectares with them. He has got no answer to this.[/s]
Nobody is in a competition with you, you see impossibilities, we see possibilities, when we are advance enough organically, we will show your lost how possible to farm without them, at least we don't use herbicides, pesticides and NPK, our chemical load is so low and we are providing better clean food for our society. This is enough satisfaction as a farmer and a scientist. You can continue with your chemical use, nobody is stopping you
[b]7. OP will not tell his readers that culturing bacteria and fungi in the name of making microbes can send farmers to hospital. And doctors will assist them by prescribing antibiotics they criticize. Tell OP to use ginger and garlic to fight those cases. [/b] You are really pained bro...sorry, I can't help you
[b]AND MANY MORE.....Seriously, I hate this debate because organic people are very naive.
But guess what? They have assisted inorganic to improve tremendously. Gone are the days when plastic mulch is tagged evil because inorganic promoters had to come up with good chemicals. Gone are the days of saying only manure is good as inorganic has shown them Epsom Salts and other Bicarbonates are useful and not dangerous when used rightly.
Copper is deadlier than Mancozeb. Does OP not know? Yet, they accepted Copper and keep saying Mancozeb is evil. What kind of world are we in? Hyprocrites everwhere. Do you want me to give you research papers where copper is used for inorganic before you accept it? Why spoil what has produced food? Why spoil what has made even your so called organic easier? Why?
[s]Tell IP to stop parading 100% organic. Let him stop that nonsense. It is irritating and mischievious. I like him for sharing freely the secrets in organic farming but I got pissed off when he said he invented them. Seriously, I lost my respect at that point.[/s] [/b] I am Sorry you are not happy with my progress, I can't help you. I have never claimed 100% organic, but I am making progress to achieve it, You have no idea what I have invented, let me tell you again. Many are now brooding chicks from day old without using, heat, synthetic drugs, synthetic antibiotics and multivitamins, You have only invented hatred and animosity out of my work. Black man destroys their own
The only prayer I have for inorganic is that there should be better ways to handle pests. Pesticides kills. Fungicides kills too. I do not support it. It is why I also try to use neem or safe pesticides. I am trying to start rabbit rearing on my farms too. But during vegetative when there is no fruit, it is almost 100% safe (I learned never to use 100%) to use any kind of pesticide if used correctly. Like I said, it is purely errors in using chemicals that kills.
I wish you well, you are can concentrate more efforts on these things you mentioned, instead of coming to my thread to spew nonsense that bothers on pure hatred and perhaps jealous. I wish you well
If you still ask me today to choose between organic and inorganic. Seriously, I will choose organic. I want to eat it, I love it, I cherish it. It is safer for health, no doubt about it because the way they use chemical is what I tag responsible methods. But saying they are 100% organic is mischievious. And they should not criticise inorganic as evil but should identify chemicals they should ask government to ban or revise the laws guiding their usage. Inorganic is not 100% evil and organic is not 100% excellent.
This is where you should concentrate your efforts, you appear to know the truths but keen to drag yourself on a long thing about my progress. Nobody is claiming 100% organic, but we have made progress, not even when no certifying body has verified it, stop telling a lie I never told. This your energy can be channeled to help inorganic farmers to help handle chemicals, I am sure you will have some good followers
Good morning and Bye Bye to this thread
NOTE: This topic is a big debate which will never end soon. Many papers which show fertilizers destroy soil here and there AND many counter papers which proved otherwise. This is science, it will continue. And I have included links which might even look like shooting me at the legs. Really, my intention is not to surport inorganic that it is better than organic, but to show that inorganic is not as evil as we think. What beats my imagination is that organic farmers have accepted many chemicals too yet they will not tell their followers. This is a personal decision issue. Do you want to eat inorganic or you want to stay with only organic? Why is this farmer promoting organic and denting the image of the other farmer yet he is using chemicals too? This is what beats my imagination. I am out of this debate as I let readers make decisions for themselves.
fluentinfor: I am going to step out of your thread so we do not turn it to a debate. Organic promoters will always be same but I do not know why you always spoil or damage your competitors in order to prove your points.
Please, do not mention the word invention. You did not invent everything you have written as I took my time to quickly read most of your posts. Since you mentioned just Calcium Phosphate here, I will just prove it that you learned it somewhere. These organic techniques are already used in Asia many hundreds years ago. You invent absolutely nothing sir. I have used everything. Is it the so called Effective Microorganism that Shonghai Farms is promoting? We that know how they make it know it. I will bring it out in just one week. What is new there? And they make it like a top secret to farmers. But i like you. You are sharing them but do not make it look like they are your inventions. It is wrong. Is it one of the following:
Fish Amino Acid Lactic Acid Bacteria Water-Soluble Potassium Water-Soluble Phosphoric Acid Water-Soluble Calcium Water-Soluble Calcium Phosphate Brown Rice Vinegar and many many more (just to mention a few)
Which one is new and you can come out to say you invented? Which one we do not know how to prepare? Which one have we not used? They have been used in Japan for many hundred years. Which one is invention here?
Can you all read the comments are as far back as 2013? So, what do you exactly mean by saying you invented it? How? Where is your patent? When did you invent it? Over a hundred years ago?
The phrase quick fix is exactly how professional, responsible inorganic producers use urea and other fertilizers. There are doses. When you use the right dose, you will have no problem. And I will show you. Anyway, I appreciate the fact that you have stylishly accepted that Epsom Salt is inorganic.
You raised the point that Urea can barely be handled with bare hands. Interesting. But can you handle Calcium Carbonate and Potassium carbonate or hydroxide with bare hands for long? Is it safe? Now listen, if you put urea in the right quantity in fish tank, your fish will not die. So, it is about dose and I will have to correct you again. Fish farmers put fertilizer in ponds every time. Did that little quantity pollute the environment? Did that quantity kill the microbes in the ponds?
Sir, that you cannot handle urea with bare hands means you need to dilute it very well. It is poisonous in its concentrated stage. It is why it is easy for farmers to use fertilizers as they need to dilute it well. The only issue is that they must not use over dose.
Thank God you accepted here that Epsom Salt is not organic and I pray you do not only find alternatives to Epsom Salt but to all Bicarbonates and Carbonates you all use. And then, you all must stay away from so called deadly copper.
You have not just condemned but you have attacked inorganic farmers labelling them as conventional farmers but the truth is you use inorganic products too. You call your style 100% organic but it is not. So who is deceiving who? You say what you are not as organic farmers and then condemn inorganic.
You talked about using garlic and ginger. Of course, I use it too. However, they are less potent. Very very less potent. There are periods one will enjoy them but not when the disease on the plants are serious even when inorganic products cannot stop them.
You cannot still feed the whole world with organic farming. If I give you statistics of organic food produced yearly in the world, you will be surprised. That Ope Farm you showed, is he cultivating 100 hectares? What kind of large scale farming is that? Please, do not go there at all
I just started laughing when I saw that the farm uses plastic mulch. Hahaahahhahahahha! Organic farmers are so funny ooooo. Why can he not get straw to cover 100 hectares? Lol! And he knows he needs mulch to sustain microbes in the soil. The farm uses plastic mulch made from chemicals which are toxic to our health. What about that?
Please, do not give false information. Organic people are fond of doing this. Like I told you, using the right dose is the key. Let me take you to this pdf paper attached below. Please, download it, read it, and digest it well.
Look at the screenshot. S = Control without fertilizer FYM = Soil + Farm Yard Manure S + UP = Soil + Urea Phosphate S + UP + FYM = Soil + Urea Phosphate + Farm Yard Manure
Result= soil + Urea Phosphate + Farm Yard Manure has the highest microbes on day 7 and 90.
Conclusion: amend your soil with compost/dried manure every time you prepare your beds. To get more yield, add Urea, NPK, BiCarbonates, Carbonates using the correct dose based on soil test. Then, use plastic mulch and your yield will be extremely high.
Who says Urea kill microbes? Who says potassium Carbonate or hydroxides or Calcium hydroxides kill microbes? Ask the aquaponics guy. He is going to tell you that it is a big lie. Microbes love them when used in the right dose. The worms in aquaponics love them and they grow very big. Microbes even get activated in millions and they quickly convert fish waste ammonia from nitrite to nitrates.
When next you hear an organic farmer say inorganic kills, tell him NO. Tell him that he should advocate for proper training of inorganic farmers. Microbes die because there is no mulch. Let me prove it. Worms live in covered, dark area. No matter the amount of manure used, immediately you expose it to sun, microbes and worms start dying. But try to mulch your farm, give them little urea and npk, add manure, use fish water waste and you see super high yield. Super, hyper high yield. Microbes live in dark, cool places.
Tell all of them I say so. I am confident of what I have written here and I can defend it anywhere, anyday.
Lastly, i am getting out of this thread so that it does not turn to arguement.
Blessings
Well may be you didn't read the unconventional site properly, the use of vinegar was used to produce CalpHos for me I use seven fruits for certain reasons. No where in the site my kind of method were used with what I call the seven alive fruits. Perhaps you didn't read my work properly as well or you were merely been mischievous. Unconventional site has done wonderfully well for the organic world so also for many other sites and individual like Fukuoka.
Use of plastic mulch on the farm can not kill microbes and no false information here, what you are struggling to understand is that they are toxic chemicals that shouldn't come close to our food chain, while some are mild that can be handled without leaving dangerous residue behind for long. ...your PDF file happens to talk about only bacillus, this can not conclusively apply to billions of other microbes that drives the ecosystem of the soil. Bacillus itself has many other strains. The study you posted is never a conclusive study to agree that Urea do not affect the soil negatively. If you are a real farmer you will understand what I am talking about. You busy telling yourself lies with one sided study of only one microbe out of billions of them. LAB are very tough bacterial and can survive very harsh conditions.
Inorganic kills, may be you have never witnessed anyone close to you having cancer or induced tuberculosis as a results of compromised health arising from the use of dangerous and adulterated chemicals in farm crops production. I have traveled far and wide, living among some of the poorest farmers deep in Nigeria forest in Oyo state, Kogi and Benue, where chemicals has been ravaging them like a plague. Many attributes many of their mysterious diseases to the gods while in fact it's as a results of herbicides and pesticides causing untold hardship.
Obviously from your submission, you have never been on the other sides of how farmers suffers greatly the use of chemicals, or perhaps you have never been a farmer to know. You read unconventional sites and other sites and never put it to use but came here to promote something contrary, you came here challenging someone who dare to help solve many of the organic farmers problem. I challenge you to open a thread and promote your own inorganic farming system and let's compare results. I can assure you that many of my system will outlive your inorganic approach. Until you open a thread to proof your many inorganic submission, I will no longer acknowledge you with a response. I rest my case.
Salt is Salt but I agree that the mentioned properties are safe.
We have chemically synthesized salts and salt that occurs in nature. You cannot compare how they degrade.
Chemical compund is chemical compound. Why did you tag epsom salt safe but urea dangerous. Because you use epsom salt? Do you realise there are organic ways of making phosphate too? I can start the lecture if you want (however, I will not) and these are things I have practised but when you draw out the chemical compounds, they have same structure as those you called "organo phosphate chemical". Also, are you saying leaching of epsom salt is not dangerous to health if it is used incorrectly like urea? What I am saying is organic farmers use chemicals and salts too and they should not criticise unreasonably inorganic. You use chemical as an organic person. It is simple. If you use them too much, they become unsafe too. Epsom salt is salt just like how urea is salt and nothing will change it. I can come up with dangers of epsom salt if you want. If you use manure and fill the whole farm with huge manure, it is not harmful. But fill your farm with epsom salt and see the result and if people will not get cancer. The error in inorganic farming is using chemicals wrongly, most of the time, over dose.
The use of Epsom salt I recommended is for folia spray to help tomatoes access magnesium as a quick fix for the organic farmers. It's a safe practice because Epsom is consumed by humans and has low toxicity. You can not compare this with urea that you cannot even handle safely with your bare hands.
In one of my write up here on Nairaland, I described how farmers can make organic calcium phosphate by harnessing acetic acids, lactic acids and ascorbic acids from certain fruits together roasted egg shell or bones. These are formulations I invented myself and the organic world are enjoying this to devastating effects on the farm both for crops and animals.
When organic alternatives for Epsom salts are available, trust me we will use it. The truth here is that we allow old habits to continue, we hardly believe change is possible. Yes it's possible. The errors in inorganic farming is not only using chemicals incorrectly, it's using dangerous chemicals correctly for cheap commercial gains that degrades our health and compromises the safety of our society. Nobody is attacking conventional farmers, the major stake here is that this dangerous pastime of wreck less farming with chemicals is killing us, an alternative safer method must be sort and used efficiently, this is what we are working on. Organic is not perfect but it's fixing many of our problems.
Your food crop is not 100% organic sir. You can NEVER get 100%. If you use epsom salt, baking soda, aspirin etc, they have nulified it. Also, I do not think you can have 100% organic poultry. Food nutrients which you buy still contain chemical. There is absolutely no way you can get 100%. In this our world, no way.
Very true sir, but we are reducing the chemical overload that can potentially cause problem. Not acting and not trying to fix it, is the problem. Let me shock, do you know the amount of antibiotics in conventional eggs production contributes to major cause of bacteria resistance we witness today.
We unknowingly consume antibiotics when we eat eggs. The average farmers uses several doses of antibiotics weekly on their laying birds to keep them alive, lay more and maintain their health. The birds are living store house of all manners of synthetic drugs. When you can achieve the same results using ginger and garlic.
But I still think your method is safe because we do not need to worry about chemicals in it as they are insignificant. What I am saying is that instead of advocating that inorganic is responsible for cancer and other diseases, advocate for proper training of inorganic farmers so they do not kill us.
Mark my words, you can never feed the whole world with organic. So, what is the gain in destroying what has helped in feeding us. Or can you beat your chest and say organic farming can feed the whole world? Why do you want hunger kill us? You cannot help us, so do not kill us rapidly with hunger.
This is not true, we can feed the world with organic farming, if the demand increases, opportunities will arise to meet the demand... We are only comfortable with commercial farming with short cut that chemical offers without weighing the quality of produce
All the same, I respect your works here. Keep it up.
Seun: My preferred approach is to read the scientific research about every chemical available, and pick the one that is highly effective and at the same time not so toxic to other living things. Or, if I dont have time, I will just check google to find out if the chemical has been banned in any western country, and why. Organic and environmentally friendly aren’t the same thing.
Naaah you cannot do organic and not cater for the environment, it's a partnership that the farmers strive to work on all the time. Most times, there are no safe chemicals that can get the job done effectively and efficiently. It's always getting into more problems by solving one. It's either pest are building up resistance or it's destroying all other beneficial microbes, and insects in the case of pesticides. No matter how hard you fertilize a soil with synthetic chemicals, you can never farm on the same farm for three years with the same results... You can do with organic farm with resounding results for decades.
The reason is that the so called urea and other chemical nutrients destroys soil microbes 'ecosystem' and leave the soil impotent. Many micro organism play several roles in nutrients up take and performance for the plants. When you comprise this by destroying with synthetic fertilizer, you end up having soil rich in nutrients that can't be used.
fluentinfor: OP, I really like your work. God bless you. I have a wide experience with organic and inorganic.
What do I like eating? Of course organic; however, I know it is a scarce commodity.
As a food producer, what do I want to produce? Of course, it is what gives me maximum profit.
I agree with the two comments above me that organic farming cannot be practiced on large hectares or land. However, it can be practised on commercial scale. How? Organic farmers should learn how to grow vertically and they should use greenhouses. If they do this, they can easily use acceptable organic fungicides and pesticides.
Note that I wrote acceptable fungicides and pesticides. Why did I use the word "acceptable"? Now, let us read again the first post in this thread:
Of course baking soda is salt. It is Sodium Bicarbonate. Is it natural? Black soap is not 100% natural too. There are chemicals in it.
Look at this again.
Are we saying Aspirin does not contain any chemical?
Also, organic farmers use Epsom Salt which is Magnesium Sulphate. Is it natural?
In another post I wrote about usage of salts (chemicals) in aquaponics to adjust PH - potassium hydroxide, calcium hydroxide, calcium carbonate, and also supplement iron, boron, and maybe any deficient nutrient. What do these tell us? There are salts or chemicals which are accepted edible (used in food).
Seriously, you might need very strong fungicides at times and it is why copper based fungicides are accepted in organic farming. I can give you examples of such which are commonly used. So, is copper edible?
I like to point you to mushroom cultivation. Here we see that urea, calcium based fertilizer, magnesium fertilizer etc are mixed with sawdust as the media. Waooooo! And mushroom is considered organic food with vitamin. But tell an organic farmer to use urea to plant tomato, hell will be loosed on earth. Anyway, I do not like to get involved with organic vs inorganic debate.
The issue with inorganic is not usage of fertilizers in my own opinion but usage of pesticides, fungicides and herbicides. Anyway, I have proved that organic fungicides are not 100% natural. Well, the issue is plants wash these chemicals naturally from their system if used correctly. It is why certain percentage of chemicals are allowed which cannot harm us since all the chemicals cannot be washed away. Most Nigerian farmers do not know how to use these chemicals as the residues are always super high.
One other issue, organic farmers grow bacteria and fungi to ammend bad soil. You must be careful with it; else, you are on your way to the hospital. EColi is deadly, Staph is terrible. So, be smart.
In conclusion, organic is good. It is lovely but there is nothing like 100% organic. I hate hearing it. I do not want to hear it. And if anyone feels he can handle inorganic, he or she must be responsible with it. Do not spray chemical a day to harvest. If you do, you are evil.
OP, i appreciate you. May God bless your work. This thread is loaded with info. You have my respect.
Thanks for this. The organic idea is to partner nature and not do things too risky to the environment, the farmer and consumer. Native Black soap is 100% organic because it's salt produced from potash sourced from plants like banana leaves and PKO only. Some substances are either consider dangerous or their residue are life threatening directly or indirectly.
All the foods we consume are all chemical compounds that are beneficial. Epsom salt in this case is beneficial with hardly little residue that can be harmful. Urea and other organo phosphate chemicals used in agriculture can be very harmful directly to human health and the environment. Urea leached from farms and eroded into rivers will leave the water ways full of nutrients that can significantly change it's biodiversity which will affect the ecosystem.
Organ phosphate chemicals and its heavy metal brothers used in agriculture are usually found to be the trigger spot for many rampant diseases like cancer. We can not do all necessary work to clean the world and make our food crops and poultry 100% organic... But we will still try to jettison the use of dangerous chemicals in food crops production. Fortunate for us we are now growing poultry without vaccines and other dangerous antibiotics with astonishing results.
maxjames: @organicfoods I have a fish fish and am planning of trying out ur sack formular in planting cucumber soonest. My intention is to link water from the fish pond to d cucumber farm. What will be the outcome, please?
.. I think so too. I'm yet to see where organic farming is practiced on a large scale. I think it will be risky to rely solely on organic. I prefer combining both.
Have you heard about @tinworthorganic farm or OPE Farm, They are very big organic farm doing great in Nigeria. I am also developing mine... When it's done, it will be open for many to replicate. Agreed you have to be special to achieve results.
The biggest mistake a poultry farmer can do is to buy point of Lay from untested untrusted source for eggs production. It may amount to inheriting a problem that may never be solved. Conventionally raised birds has a lot of issues that may surface in later stage of their lives. If you buy point of lay from a source that has history of poorly treated diseases, be assured to have big issues with diseases when the birds are in their prime of laying.
Organically raised birds from day old gives the farmer a lot of leverage. As you can see in the video below
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