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Cosmode:
This is really funny anyway. Physio and dentistry, u came to seek for advice, I thought is dentistry and medicine. Dentistry is one of d best medical course to study. Note: U will do all wat medics student do couple with ur dental courses.
U dont need anybody to tell u DAT dentistry lyingoose Dentistry over any medical course.

Dentistry is like u studying medicine + specialization.
U do all medical courses except obs and gynea.

Even if u are to choose BTW medicine and dentistry, I will advice you to choose Dentistry. 7

A dentist is a specialize surgeon just like ur Opthalmologist, cardiologist e.t.c they study medicine then specialize. A dentist also study medicine and also specialise at the same time.

My brother don't don't think twice Dentistry is All the way.[/quote]This is your post in another forum. So u really have something to do with dentistry. You are so ashamed of your course that you are pretending to be an ss3 student and denying your course. Is this what dentistry has deteriorated to? How can a student write like you...You are denying denistry in this forum because you are either aware of your incompetence or you are a hypocrite.This is the stupid advice you are giving a hapless student. You god-forsaken cowardly liar. Be a man and marshall out your points. Of course your intellectual development can be equated with that of an ss3 student so I am not surprised if you claim that you are an ss3student. You cant make good sentences, yet u are an undergraduate dental student...I shudder.

Cosmode:
This is really funny anyway. Physio and dentistry, u came to seek for advice, I thought is dentistry and medicine. Dentistry is one of d best medical course to study. Note: U will do all wat medics student do couple with ur dental courses.
U dont need anybody to tell u DAT u should choose Dentistry over any medical course.

Dentistry is like u studying medicine + specialization.
U do all medical courses except obs and gynea.

Even if u are to choose BTW medicine and dentistry, I will advice you to choose Dentistry.

A dentist is a specialize surgeon just like ur Opthalmologist, cardiologist e.t.c they study medicine then specialize. A dentist also study medicine and also specialise at the same time.

My brother don't don't think twice Dentistry is All the way.

So u might really hv something to do with dentistry. You are so ashamed of your erudition that you are calling yourself an ss3 student. Is this what Nigerian education and dentistry in particular has come to. You are a coward who cannot defend his course openly, preferring to hide behind ss3 students, saying nonsense. I am shocked.How can someone like u be involved in a clinical course...I cant believe this

Cosmode:
You can't even maintain a simple argument, you are just jumping from one point to another. None of your Point make complete sense. if you don't av any point or lies to backup your stupid claim again better go sell biscuit and sweet rather than running helter skelter. Mr Wole Soyinka with good grammatical construction. Jumping from optometry to English construction, does that make any sense to you. And yet your grammatical construction is worst than anything, So you want a secondary school student to teach you English language. If that is what you want, I don't av your time now. If truely what you are putting here makes you feel you are genius in English, then am very sure my grade in English is far better than your grade in Waec. Am sure you always walk around with your dictionary, You can't reply with a simple English without consulting your dictionary. What a pity!!!.

I can only discuss with you to the extent of your understanding.Understanding is a function of knowledge acquired. You are therefore severely handicapped. You are neither a dentist, nor a dental student, nor an undergraduate for that matter, so what sort of talk can I hold with you. Where do I start. The only thing you can do is ad hominem...I descended into a slime pit when I replied you thinking you might be a dentist. Arguing with you is an all time low, especially since you are a genuis in ignorance. Your mates are getting admission, you are getting old at home, yet u r trolling on nairaland. You are not even an intelligent jambite at that. Auf Wiedersehn.

Cosmode:
You can't even maintain a simple argument, you are just jumping from one point to another. None of your Point make complete sense. if you don't av any point or lies to backup your stupid claim again better go sell biscuit and sweet rather than running helter skelter. Mr Wole Soyinka with good grammatical construction. Jumping from optometry to English construction, does that make any sense to you. And yet your grammatical construction is worst than anything, So you want a secondary school student to teach you English language. If that is what you want, I don't av your time now. If truely what you are putting here makes you feel you are genius in English, then am very sure my grade in English is far better than your grade in Waec. Am sure you always walk around with your dictionary, You can't reply with a simple English without consulting your dictionary. What a pity!!!.

A dunce is let loose. u r about to fail ur jamb again. Next you start going for prayers saying your parents' enemies are blocking your progress. Why don't you go and prepare for your next attempt.

Cosmode:
You are worst than anything, your English is a disgrace to the entire optometrist students. if my grammatical construction is bad then yours is more than worst.

Are u really this dumb? Look at your usage.You are even too daft to know a censure when you see one.
Of course you are not just a bufoon but obviously just semi-literate. Dentists or dental students are supposed to be intelligent. What has that got to do with lucrativeness of a profession. U can't even string sentences together or merge your thoughts into a coherent whole. Even though their power of logical analysis of issues still leaves a lot to be desired, yours is a case of a completely ignorant troll.
Look at your English-" optometrist students".Are you not ashamed of yourself.
Furthermore you are comparing two entities and you are using a superlative. U r a disgrace to the village secondary school you went to. Cosmos ode, an apt epithet.

Cosmode:
Its Mandey that take his Aunt to an optometrist. What a Quack labour.

Ode Cosmos. A fitting title. Did you really attend a secondary school. Look at your grammatical construction. Y are you bent on disgracing your people over here. At least learn fron the dental students or dentists that have been writing here. Go to a thread where you can contribute your inanities without disgracing yourself. Goodluck when you write your jamb. I hope you do better than the stuff you've been putting out here. Even though I doubt it seriously.

Cosmode:
This origbingbi is such a dumb. How will someone gave her eye to dentist, does that make sense to you, I even wonder how you even gain admission in the first place. very soon you will still come here with a claim that optomerist can perform all eye surgery so far your license covers every thing.
Since all this discussion has start, have never seen anybody supporting you even your fellow colleagues in optometry, this is because everyone knows the truth. Your mates are out there looking for a way to convert to medicine or dentistry because they want people to call them Doctor, you are there wasting ur time on OPTOSLAVE. you are using style to claim the work of an Opthalmologist, don't worry continue, you will soon be arrested none of us here will come for ur rescue. Infact I don't even think this guy even know his job. let me tell you one of your job, if you don't know. One of your job is to follow the order prescribe by your boss(Opthalmologist). Hahahaha that will surprise you that how did I know?

Is because of you OPTOSLAVE that we are having people going blind In the hospital , you will be claiming what you are not, after you spoiling the eye finish, you will now refer them to your boss(Opthalmologist). Dentist are the boss in their field no one to refer to. Av u ever seen a dentist working on the stomach or Ear? No. Because they are specialist in their field and they know their job unlike you optometrist claiming overhype to their boss.
If you people don't behave yourselve well, don't be surprised that they will cancel your council with all the rubbish claim you are claiming, we have Opthalmologist to take over everything without any problem. Dentist are the boss in the field, No one to take up their work, they are master of their own. OPTOSLAVE are slave to their master Opthalmologist. I will rather gain admission to study Biochemistry than Optometry. Optician are even better than you Slaves. 100k for a cataract or wat are u saying, surgery for cataract is the work of an Opthalmologist not optometrist. ur work is to assist, nothing more than that.
Lolzzz. I will tell you more of your work later, buh for better understanding of your job, Go and ask a slave what is her work to his Master, then you will know your job better.

what I av been hearing is medical and dental council of Nigeria and not medical and OPTOSLAVE council of Nigeria.
cos they knew u people are just camouflage in the desk of an Opthalmologist. When a dentist become the CMD of an hospital what will you people be, I guess a senior SLAVE to in the Eye clinic. Am very sure that is not the course you really want to do, is either you have no option or you are given optometry due to your low score during admission process when running after the bus of Medicine or dentistry. Is a pity don't worry, u can try again instead of u just making yourself happy unnecessarily. is never too late.

OPTOSLAVE pls go and change now is too late. don't say I don't tell you ooo.The public already know the truth, Thank God this thread came up, so that people can know more about you SLAVES people spoiling people Eyes claiming to be a Doctor. with this I know I av save some EYES today. Watch ppl you give your eyes oo if not Opthalmologist he can never be an Opthalmologist.
I know some good optometrist will accept what they are while some stubborn among them will claim to steal the work of their Boss.

Now I understand y ur aunty nearly went blind. If your aunty is as ignorant as you why wont she give her eyes to a dentist.Listen to yourself:are you not the most ignorant person you have ever met? Have you sincerely met anyone more foolish than you are?The same reason will make you wallow in poverty. Ignorance and illogicality . You are not even worth a reply. If ur aunty who is an elder can stand by while a dentist ruins her eyes, I dont expect much intelligence from the nephew. I am sure u hv written jamb like 7 times because ur bitterness is what we usually see in jamb veterans. Probably highered a few mercenaries yet u still failed. Pour your frustration into your studies. Who knows you may score up to 190 this time. You hv the effrontery to even interject in matters which you shouldnt, and look at the outcome. You hv effectively disgraced ur lineage.
With your syntax, I am sure u are still owing Waec English language. Study harder, if your admission works out, then talk again.
Sorry that I called you a dental student. That is an insult to dentistry.

Cosmode:
Now I see how deaf and dumb this origbim abi wetian be your name. I thought you call urself an optometry student and you can't treat yourself from your internal blindness. I now see u are lacking ability to see, read, assimilate and interprete.

For your information am neither a Dentist or dental student I just finish my sec school this year. I will be a jambite next year, so In Sha Allah I will be writing jamb next year. U think if am a dental student, I will come here discussing a stupid topic with an ignorant guy like you. u don't know, instead of you to calm down and learn you are here disgracing yourself with your stupid thought.
You are here abusing someone sister, this has plainly show how immature you are, I even think u are a responsible guy not knowing u are such an ignorant guy. All your fact are Lies, u are just here piling up series of lies just to backup your stupid thought. Am here waiting for your next episode of Lie.
Even if u are to backup ur ironic fact, u don't av right to abuse someone Aunt.
Upon all your ranting I don't even see a point to hold upto than Lies. I will rather choose Medical lab than optometry in my jamb, if jamb say I can choose my 6th choice may be I can now choose optometry as my 6th choice in jamb.
Get my fact well optometry is nothing than technicians working under Opthalmologist. Dentist are boss on their own. Am very sure you are still a student, and you are trying to make urself happy, for not gaining admission into medicine or dentistry unfortunately u are lucky u are given optometry. Thanks your star at least u are still a technician to your boss (Opthalmologist).
This boy can lie ooo, If truely your course worth the pride u trying to buy for yourself, you will not need so much stress to defend it with that much with lie. people around you will defend it for u. Dental technician are slave boy to dentist, as well optometrist are slave boy to Opthalmologist take it or leave. don't worry wen u finish your study you will know the truth then, my advice for you is to start selling biscuits and sweets by now may be by the time u finish your study, u might av make it with the biscuit and sweet rather than been a slave to your boss(Opthalmologist).
Am still a jambite and am very sure it seem i even know more in your field than you yourself. Well I like your courage, u were trying to make yourself happy, keep it up. But next time do it in a polite way and not immature way.
Let me remind you this, Medical Doctor and Dentist are the only medical practitioner that can make diagnosis and make prescription, Only both of them can claim to be call Dr. and not the slave optometry.

Am waiting for your next episode of lie or Abusive words.

Haha..the ignoramus is angry ...the 10kobo propagandist is inflamed
So you have not even passed your jamb and you are here peddling your ignorant aunt for 10kobo. If your aunty were educated and not as dumb as you who cannot even pass his jamb, or if u were well trained and could refrain from butting into issues well beyond your understanding you wouldnt have given your aunty's eyes to a dentist.
If your illiterate aunty were educated she would hv understood the difference btw a dentist and an optometrist.
You are not even a student yet, so what do I tell u...
If u can read and write u go online to at least see who can diagnose and prescribe before disgracing your family on social media.
You call me ignorant....thats y ur aunt nearly lost her sight...because instead of reading your books so that you can advise her properly you are here trolling like a social media vagrant...
My advice is this: Please go into dentistry, and may u not get residency.

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You bufoon, your stupid aunty gave her eyes to a dentist who nearly got her blind. You as an educated person, y didnt you report to the police or take it up. Despite the rivalry btw optometrists and ophthalmologists, u will never hear any malpractice case against any optometrist in Nigeria. And this is because of their training. With the hatred u guys hv for ODs you should have put on the newspapers. Go and check out your archives, no single malpractice suit or sexual harrassment suit has ever been brought against any optometrist like in some other medical specialties. Even ophthalmologists can botch a cataract surgery leading to complications like infective endophthalmitis. U cant do anything because their license covers the proceedure, unless u can proove negligence.
Why would an optometrist want to perform cataract surgery when he is not done with the gazillion of proceedures weighing him down in his own part.A cataract extraction cost about 50-100k for one eye, is that money? Hahaha...u guys are funny sha. That is money for one Oct scan, or for 3 normal lens prescriptions or 2 verilux prescriptions.The optometrist does the pre- op and post-op management of the cataract px. Only a dentist can think up this lunatic story, because they think surgery=money.
Go and tell your aunty to give her eyes to couching experts again or dentists again, because with their know-it-all syndrome I am sure they can try it.

[quote author=Mandeyy post=62441505][/quote]You bufoon, your stupid aunty gave her eyes to a dentist who nearly got her blind. You as an educated person, y didnt you report to the police or take it up. Despite the rivalry btw optometrists and ophthalmologists, u will never hear any malpractice case against any optometrist in Nigeria. And this is because of their training. With the hatred u guys hv for ODs you should have put on the newspapers. Go and check out your archives, no single malpractice suit or sexual harrassment suit has ever been brought against any optometrist like in some other medical specialties. Even ophthalmologists can botch a cataract surgery leading to complications like infective endophthalmitis. U cant do anything because their license covers the proceedure, unless u can proove negligence.
Why would an optometrist want to perform cataract surgery when he is not done with the gazillion of proceedures weighing him down in his own part.A cataract extraction cost about 50-100k for one eye, is that money? Hahaha...u guys are funny sha. That is money for one Oct scan, or for 3 normal lens prescriptions or 2 verilux prescriptions.The optometrist does the pre- op and post-op management of the cataract px. Only a dentist can think up this lunatic story, because they think surgery=money.
Go and tell your aunty to give her eyes to couching experts again or dentists again, because with their know-it-all syndrome I am sure they can try it.

[quote author=Mandeyy post=62441505][/quote]You bufoon, your aunty gave her eyes to a dentist who nearly got her blind.Since you are educated why didnt you report to the police or take it up?Despite the rivalry between opthalmologists and optometrists no oneYou bufoon, your stupid aunty gave her eyes to a dentist who nearly got her blind. You as an educated person, y didnt you report to the police or take it up. Despite the rivalry btw optometrists and ophthalmologists, u will never hear any malpractice case against any optometrist in Nigeria. And this is because of their training. With the hatred u guys hv for ODs you should have put on the newspapers. Go and check out your archives, no single malpractice suit or sexual harrassment suit has ever been brought against any optometrist like in some other medical specialties. Even ophthalmologists can botch a cataract surgery leading to complications like infective endophthalmitis. U cant do anything because their license covers the proceedure, unless u can proove negligence.
Why would an optometrist want to perform cataract surgery when he is not done with the gazillion of proceedures weighing him down in his own part.A cataract extraction cost about 50-100k for one eye, is that money? Hahaha...u guys are funny sha. That is money for one Oct scan, or for 3 normal lens prescriptions or 2 verilux prescriptions.The optometrist does the pre- op and post-op management of the cataract px. Only a dentist can think up this lunatic story, because they think surgery=money.
Go and tell your aunty to give her eyes to couching experts again or dentists again, because with their know-it-all syndrome I am sure they can try it.

Mandeyy:
Did i ever tell u that dentists are medical doctors? I didn't. Dentists are dental surgeons or can as well be called dental doctors. That is what they are. I don't lie like u. Dentists also need a pass in primaries just like medical specialties to pursue residency training in dentistry. I believe u're highly ignorant. I've showed links of Dr Mabel Etetafia who led other dentists who are consultant oral & maxillofacial surgeons to operate on a 12-yr old boy with facial tumor in Delta State who would have died of suffocation or blindness. I also gave links to Dr Gary Parker, the chief medical officer of Africa Mercy Ships Hospital who is doing wonders. I like telling the truth, but as for u, it has always been lies u revel in peddling. Come up with facts. Be reasonable for once. I'm done with u. Nobody can dispute everything i said here about dentistry, but people can dispute 90% of what u said here about optometry.

Oga, this thread is about lucrativeness and nothing else. I peddle lies, yet you cant name a successful dental clinic in Edo state. You guys are the peddlers of lies seeking to reap where you did not so. We are talking about lucrativenes and you are telling me story of how Mabel saved a life. Just last week we sent a px who thought he had asthenopic headache for a ct scan only to discover she had a cerebral adenoma. We had to refer to Luth for surgery. Everyone does there part in health care to save lives. But that is not the point here. An optometrist is a doctor in the field of eye and vision care. What can you dispute about my assertions. It is clear as air that optometry is more lucrative than dentistry. Dentistry merely vollects more salary in the public sector. The proof is everywhere, res ipsar loquitor.
U ask for facts...In Benin city name a dental clinic as big as prime opticals, mayos or Daniel and Davids. Learn to gollow the points in dispute in an arguement. You raising issues not in bearing or related at all to the point in question.

Mandeyy:
Who told u it's just teeth that a dentist treats? Even in d private sector in Nigeria, i must tell u dentistry is more lucrative than optometry. Trtment of oral & dental diseases is very expensive, and so, patients tend to go to govt hospital. If u go to d rural areas in Africa (Nigeria isn't an exception), oral tumor called ameloblastoma, jaw & oral cancers, cleft lip & palate, facial accidents due to tribal war, theft and RTA abound, and it's a dentist that treats them, particularly branches of dentistry called oral & maxillofacial surgery, oral medicine as well as oral pathology. There is an American dentist (Dr Gary Parker) doing free facial surgeries on Mercyships in Africa. He's d chief medical officer of that mercyships' hospital. Google it.

Oga you are dreaming...dentistry is not as lucrative as opticianry not to mention optometry. Your general practitioners are hungry. If you cant get a residency, you are sunk in dentistry. I know dentists, so dont spill thrash. How does dentistry make money in private practice. ..unlike optometry or opthalmology or pharmacy, ur practice is not commodity based to any extent. You are shouting oral chancre as if u perform it everyday. Your consultant's pay is not equatable to that of the ceo of an eye clinic. Are you now saying that dentists are richer than ophthalmologists, since some optometrists are richer than ophthalmologists? Oga what are u even arguing...Do u know what an eye clinic is? How many non-surgical proceedures does dentistry have...Oga pack well. Cutting is not equal to money. A young optometric doctor can make 170k in a week from outreach...oga are u guys even normal comparing optometry with dentistry in earning power? na wao. Go to Thelish in Abuja, then come and speak again. Many optometrists have clinics worth hundreds of millions, and u r yapping here. Go and check out both profesdions before seaking.

zippopo:
Every body just dey give his or her course relevance, it's how relevant you are that makes your course relevant, dentistry and optometry has its good and bad sides, but I think optometrists has a little disadvantage because of ophthalmologists. And dentistry..........people don't really treat teeth or dental problems in Nigeria.... But if I were to advice you to choose, I will say go for dentistry.... Optometry is OK, buh ophthalmologists already taking their space... And they are like technicians to the ophthalmologist... But dentist are their own boss... If it's in terms of lucrativeness, in private sector... I give to optometrist buh if it's the government sector.... I give it to the dentist... So it's left for you to decide which you prefer

You are rational. And u said it well. But let me just add that the dominance of ophthalmology is only in the public sector and has not prevented some optometrists from outperforming then in the private sector. Amd then, the only svoring point of ophthlmology which is surgery tepresents less than 10% of curative and 0.005% of diagnostic proceedure in ocular health care. So what surgery is in dental care may not be what it is in eye care.For instance the eye is d only site in which you can view blood vessels and internal structures without any need for invasive proceedure as is obtainable in laparascopy, thnks to the invention of the ophthalmoscope and slit lamp biomicroscope. So there is enuff clinical proceedures to keep u extremely busy without surgery. You go into eye care and you see proceedures till u weak. All the same, tnks 4 ur input.

Mandeyy:
Go to d North of this country, cancrum oris (noma) is a flesh eating disease that eats away oral & facial flesh, thereby exposing d bony parts of d face & mouth, and it's a multidisciplinary team made up of a maxillofacial surgeon (a dentist) & a plastic surgeon (a medical dr) that treats it. That's why there's a NOMA hospital in Sokoto for d disease. Even in Rivers State, Amaechi built a specialist dental & maxillofacial hospital, purely for oral & dental diseases. So, it's not only teeth that a dentist caters for. Even sb talked of Dr Seidu Bello who has a foundation thro. which he treats oral, dental & facial diseases free of charge, and u see patients trooping out in droves. Is he not a dentist? Every course is good, but u have to gather facts abt dentistry 1st, b4 talking. Even last yr, in Imo State, Dr Chikwendu Ejike (a dentist) operated on a patient with huge oral tumor, moving in to obstruct breathing. Google it, pls.

Of course he did. You guys do those. North have even far more sight problems than tooth or oral. The north is a veritable clinical garden but also a poor region, so making money there is a no-go. most works done there are done pro bono. You guys are the ones to gather facts about optometry b4 speaking. Last yr october (Vosh- Volunteer Optometric Help to Humanity) took optometrists, even optometry students from Nigeria through 7 African countries providing ocular treatment to host communities. The programme continues. To each his own. You learn more about optometry b4 commenting.

mendelian:
I'm not always on the arguing side sha.
CODEH is the name given to the outreach organise by dental student. The last CODEH we went to at Amagba and Ugbo Even in Useh, made me conclude that dental disease /infections are common as common but people tend to live with it.... Even same also applies to opt...most persons who go to opt clinic are either student or the civil servant.... Have u seen a trader or market woman with lens or visiting an opt clinic...
same u will hardly see a market woman with a brace ....
Conclusively;;
In developed countries dentist make more than opt in both private and public practise
In Nigeria dentist make more than opt in public practise but in private practise it sure depends on the location
assuming u have 50 opt clinic in a city and 5 dental clinic which do u think will make more money


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sorry I am seeingn this now. You wish. Dentistry cannot be compared with optometry in Nigeria in terms of lucrativenes. How many successful dental clinics are in Nigeria. Start from Benin. How many dental clinics are successful there. Dont ever compare both. The earning power of the optometrist in private surpasses what a dentist can earn in both public and private together.Go and adk sbout the Lagos sees outreach held in Ikotun ldc last week. We saw over 2000 patients. We had to stop clocking in px due to fatigue. I hv gone on mission outreach together with dentists. no patient load. They end up helping medical doctors in their own screening. Again many optometrists earn more than ophthalmologists with bigger eye centres, so dont ever compare both. Dentistry makes money mainly through proceedures. Optometry make both through proceedure and commodity. Som surfacing labs make millions in 1 week. Some average clinics in Lagos are angry if they make 3 million in a month. A standard glaucoma work up using only tonometry and vf can cost 20k, oct cost 50k.these tests take an average of 5 mins in all. Some days everyone who works through ur clinic is a glaucoma suspect. Multiply that number by 10pxs and see. U know hw much fundus photography which is a routine proceedure costs? Refraction alone beats anything dentistry has to offer. Dont compare dentistry and optometry. A tradomedical practitioner can give a remedy to tooth ache, tell me the remedy for myopia or hyperopia or strabismic diplopia. ...Even an optical lab will make much more money than a dental clinic. Do u know hw much lens importation makes...Do you know the profit margin of each prescription you make. ..The money in eye care is in refraction not surgery. That is why an optometrist can be richer and h ave a larger clinic than an ophthalmologist.
And again maybe u dont know that most persons above 40 must need a lens for reading at least. Both are not comparable.

Mandeyy:
Name the head of eye clinic at Nigerian army hospital who is an optometrist. I like facts. That a dentist did not get or has grown tired of life cos they couldn't get residency placement, is not peculiar to dentistry. It's applicable to both medical doctors and dentists. Nigeria can kill dreams. Medical doctors also lament about this. So, tell me something reasonable. This one is a non-issue at all! Besides, u were lying. I know u very well. U can lie like satan ur master.

His name is Lt (Dr) Nwankwo.Head of Nigerian Army Reference Hospital 68 Eye Clinic Department Every staff of ministry of defence working there are optometrists. Go verify, then eat your stinking words.
Dentists are worse of than medical doctors by far. No comparison. A medical doctor may settle as a gp and still earn tonnes of money while a general dentist will most certainly go hungry.
I dont have to kill ur dreams, hunger will if u dont get a residency.
Obviously satan is your father, so u know his servants so easily.

Mandeyy:
Stop lying. Just give out the name of the optometrist heading the military eye hospital so that i can verify. I like facts. if that's not done by u, then u're the biggest liar. Besides there has never been a dept of optometry in any private or public hospital in Nigeria. what exits is dept of ophthalmology in which u now have an optometrist doing the work of a technologist to an ophthalmologist who directs him on what to do. in that military hospital u mentioned, there is nothing like dept of optometry let alone an optometrist heading the eye hospital. I've checked it. Stop peddling lies here, biko!

you r the bigger fool. Since you can verify, why dont u ask for the head of the 68 army reference head of the eye clinic at yaba. His name is LT (Dr)Nwankwo . Go and verify and come and spin thrash again.If you hv colleagues there ask them.
And you loghead, there is no dept of ophthalmology or optometrist there. It is called the Eye Clinic department.

Cosmode:
Am neither a dentist or optometrist. since av been following this thread origbim as Neva provide a link or prove for all his point. u were just saying dentist has no place to work or u say they are poor

I laff in Spanish go to Ajah or Ojo dat u want to see a dentist. the queue u will see there is like.... and the way they charge was like hell. u av no option than to wait and then pay.
mind u av experience a lot with them. At times they are so busy that they won't attend to u. so u av to see them on appointment.

Dentist is a great proffesion, take it or leave it. my Uncle is a medical Doctor. wen his dentist friend and his mate came to visit him on Sunday atimes, I do listen to their discussion, I heard my brother saying if he has chance again, he will prefer dentistry than any medical proffesion, he say though their workload is really much compare to medicine when in school. buh the reward after it really worth it. I once ask him wat he meant by dis?
he said in Nigeria Dentistry is like u studying medicine + dental course except Obs and Gyn. though I dont know the meaning of Obs and Gyn.
whenever they are saying their medical terms, the dentist also contributed to their discussion buh once the dentist start his own they will be asking him wat he meant by dat.
that were I now believe that is true a dentistry is both medicine+dental courses

My uncle friend works in 3 hospitals. he works with government hospital as his normal job also he work with other two private hospital on appointment. so saying they have no job to do. is a very very big fat lie. now can u imagine how much will be his monthly salary altogether. so saying they are poor is a wrong info.

though I avnt seen an optometrist before buh with d view I see a dentist, dentist is a great proffesion.

mind u am not saying optometrist is not a great course buh I was given my little view on dentist, depending on wat I av seen.
forgive my ignorance.

haha, a dentist or dental student is talking in codes. This busy dentists where are they. In army refernce hospitals, dental depts close earliest from lack of pxs. oga where in ur beffudled imagination can u compare a medical doctor in a specialty like obygyn to a dentist. The dentist runs locum in three hospitals abi...clap 4 urself. I have dentist friends also.z I have shadowed dental profession, so I am speaking out of experience. Dentistry IS NOT LUCRATIVE HERE. once in a while you can perform those cerebrally stimulaying chirugeries they so much love to tout. And again performing oral surgery, granted is difficult due to the enhanced need for eye-hand coordination. But the problem is, it is not lucrative.
I guess u r a dental student, trying to one-up an arguement by claiming neutrality. I am in Lagos, I can rattle 10 mega eye clinics to one dental u can call.
Suprisingly u know about dental clinics but not eye clinics. You are laughing in spanish, might that be the language of professional starvation? One dental clinic I know , after jibowu, is just like a barber's shop. Few dental clinics(and I mean few) may be busy in Lagos, because it is Lagos but they are no where comparable to an eye clinic.
Medical programme is not that rigorous, so you can add a few courses along side it. It is nothing heroic. The rigour of medicine is embedded in their specialties. simple. the next be sincere enough to stand by your profession in a forum like this. nobody will eat you for defending your course.

Mandeyy:
Stop lying. Just give out the name of the optometrist heading the military eye hospital so that i can verify. I like facts. if that's not done by u, then u're the biggest liar. Besides there has never been a dept of optometry in any private or public hospital in Nigeria. what exits is dept of ophthalmology in which u now have an optometrist doing the work of a technologist to an ophthalmologist who directs him on what to do. in that military hospital u mentioned, there is nothing like dept of optometry let alone an optometrist heading the eye hospital. I've checked it. Stop peddling lies here, biko!

you r the bigger fool. Since you can verify, why dont u ask for the head of the 68 army reference head of the eye clinic at yaba. His name is LT (Dr)Nwankwo . Go and verify and come and spin thrash again.If you hv colleagues there ask them.

Mandeyy:
A direct entry student of dentistry at University of Nigeria, Enugu Campus (UNEC) is a graduate of optometry. I know him personally. Optometry is good, but in the Nigeria's context, they're ophthalmologists' technologists. in our dept of ophthalmology here, they're called technologists. But dentistry is a faculty having dental therapists and dental technologists as technologists. just recently in delta state, this surgery was performed by dentists who are consultants in oral and maxillofacial surgery and the bill was footed by the governor. here is the link: https://independent.ng/okowa-restores-hope-to-12-year-old-boy-with-tumour/ http://teemdental.org/about.html http://teemdental.org/services.html it's this same woman that owns this dental clinic at Warri, Dr Etetafia Mabel that led the surgery. stop arguing foolishly. A nairalander once mentioned here that it's a lie to say that dentistry is not lucrative in Nigeria. he said it after he was charged N90,000 for the removal of two teeth in which one was impacted. he also paid N15,000 and N5,000 for x-ray and consultation respectively. he advised newly graduated dentists to form an alliance of two or more dentists to set up a dental clinic that, unknown to people, it's lucrative in Nigeria. he said his dental treatment was done in Ilorin, that the least charge for a dental treatment in the smallest dental clinic among all of them he visited was N7,000, and that the patients were up to 20 in that smallest dental clinic. he further said he visited govt hospital for the surgery and was charged N60,000, but he was afraid he might die since a nerve passed thro the teeth. Hence he needed a safe hand who could do the surgery well to avoid complications, and that was when he visited different private dental clinics in Ilorin to look for d best among them. i have never heard that somebody switched from dentistry to optometry except he failed 2nd MBBS/BDS exam.

If you listen carefully, you will hear my laughter as I read your comment. Alright.
1. Recently an outreach was conducted in Lagos. It was called LAGOS SEES. It was held at Ikotun-Ikotun lga. Another will be held in two weeks, I suggest you attend to see what optometrists do in Nigeria. There were gps there, but only the optometrist handled any vision problem presented by the pxs. The gps only handled cases of high bp which were referred to them. Over 1500 pxs came there and clerking in pxs stopped as early as 1p.m because the optometric doctors on ground couldnt handle the load. Every examination required in such screening was carried out by the optometrists. This was an unpublicised outreach. Till the end pxs were trooping in begging to be attended to even when the doctors where already leaving.
Optometrists are technologists, hw come they own and run the biggest eye clinics in Nigeria?
How come they treat, diagnose, prescribe drugs, plus non-invasive interventions of all type, assuming we call gonioscopy and other such proceedures like corneal fb removal non-invasive.
In best low vision consultants in Nigeria are optometrists. Prof. Akpalaba in Uniben routinely get low bision refferals from hospitals in Nigeria.
They are technologists, yet a graduate doctor of optometry starts lecturing from lecturer 2 just like a medical doctor.
Perhaps dental technologists and therapists run dental clinics. Well it may be possible because they may know all you know.
Well optometrists have opticians and optical technologists. Optical technology is a full bsc degree in Imsu. Dispensing optics is a 3yr diploma programme in ubth and other schools. Unlike dentistry we dont denigrate our people and we don't give ourselves ego simply because we have non-doctors in our midst.
Optometrists are technologists, yet any programme on visual health held in Nigeria must feature an optometrist. Army 68 reference eye hospital is headed and run by an optometrist.
A general dentist has no single advantage over the general optometrist in a clinical setting. None whatsoever. Whether in clinical training or otherwise. The apparent dichotomy in the public sector
appears at the consultant level because dentistry is in bed with nma. A general dentist has no business in a tertiary institution. Everybody must not be a consultant. What other option is open to a dentist who cannot get a residency slot. Herein is optometry much more rewarding than dentistry. A general practice optometrist has much more options than the dentist. This is the reason why you admit only 25 in your department.
In private practice mamy ophthalmologists visit eye clinics run by optometrists to perform cataract surgery when needed.They may consult 2 days in a week and get paid for that.
I laugh when you start citing ur reasons for comparing dentistry to optometry financially...
Px load determines the lucrativeness of any specialty. Proceedures in a standard optometry are many and expensive. Just fundus photography, tomometry, slb , perimetry etc to mention a few are money spinners which every px who walks into the clinic will likely perform.Tonometry at 10k for a proceedure lasting less than 20 seconds, which is cumpulsory for any glaucoma suspect, meams that 200k can acctue in 3 or 4 days only from one proceedure.Oct cost 50k. A proceedure not lasting more than 5 mins. Oga you domt know what optometry is. Sit there and continue talking. Go and ask your honest senior colleagues. They should know. Some optical labs in Benin (run by opticians and optical technologists) net an verage of 40 - 60k daily, just from glazing and prescription filling. What of surfacing and importing of lenses and contact lenses ...
Some lenses cost upward of 50k with a profit margin of..............if u r smart you will understand. Not to talk of drug prescription. Consultation is 5k in medium eye clinics. Bigger ones charge 10k for individual card and more for family card.
In an eye clinic a doctor can make 80k in 30 minutes just from refraction. Proceedures amd consultation fee is not added ooo.
Even illegal outreaches mounted by unscrupulous elements who are not even doctors can net 200k a week in consultation only without adding the bigger income from prescription of lenses.
If you are wise, take the advice of the man who adviced you to team up with another dentist. But I will add this, dont team up with another dentist, look for an optometrist who can help you with px load.But the idea is not very original. Smart dentists have been hooking up with optometrists in times past.

MrEgghead:
Its not competitive and the cut off this year in Uniben is 72 only second to medicine which is 77...And you think Uniben will admit 300 candidates for Dentistry?If you don't know, Dentistry doesn't take more than 25..And your optometry which is more competitive is 60.....It's high time you remove this hatred for BDS from your heart because it's damaging your reputation slowly.

oga you are not wise.
1. ur cut off mark is artificially inflated to match up with medicine. In 2015 despite the fact that only 300 people put in for dentistry in jamb for uniben (as against nursing 3150, and mcb 1135), u guys managed to have a higher cut off than these two departments. Go and check out how many people put in for dentistry this yr.
This yr dentistr's cutoff is also higher than that of pharmacy and even nursing. You mean to tell me that dentistry is more competitive than pharmacy. Your cut off mark is more political and ego-boosting than anything. Even microbiology is more competitive than dentistry.
Competitiveness should be a ratio of the number of applicants to the number of intakes. Anything else is politics. Medicine recieves about 7000+ applicants and will take about 80, therefore their cutoff is fully justifiable. What is the justification for dentistry with an application of about 300+ and an intake of 25 having higher cutoff than pharmacy with an application of 3000+ and a an intake of 120. or nursing which may even be slightly higher?
Dentistry takes only about 25 students and yet they want to compare with those that take up to 120. If denistry should take up to 120, I assure u that the bulk of their intakes will be those who couldnt get medicine.
Dentistry is not competitive. Ur cut off is a political statement. Despite the fact that pharmacy is much more competitive, yet u manage to hv higher cut off. And that is hw everything about dentistry is in Nigeria:always dressed up to mimic medicine.
As for hating dentistry, I dont. But like I said, the record must be set straight, and the myth separated from the realities.
And then you are telling me that dentistry takes only 25 as if that is a product of dentistry's desirability. Their board only takes 25 because anything above that will create hungry dentists. No future in the private practice in case they dont get govt employment, so where will they earn a living? think again.
As for my reputation, suffice it to say that truth is forever a defence to defamation. A reputation is only worth its ounce of honesty.

[quote author=Mandeyy post=56733535][/quote]You ignorant slowpoke, is there nothing like pediatric optometry? Who are the highest beneficiaries of orthoptics? Who is at the highest risk of embedded supression and amblyopia ex anopsia. Oga swerve away from here. you know nothing. Do u know the number of proceedure you hv for paediatric ophthalmic px. How can you diagnose refractive error in an infant? How would you prescribe to prevent developmental and functional deficit....y dont you face ur teeth and hammer and leave ophthalmics alone since you are so ignorant....visual learning disorders are most common in what age group...is the paediatric eye merely a smaller version of adult eye or are there unique developmental issues with them which make them distinctly different...you are talking to a doctor...do think again.try not to mske a fool of yourself.

Mandeyy:
It's a big lie for u to say that eye clinics in military hospitals are run by optometrists. They're run by ophthalmologists. Stop peddling lies. What amazes me is that u know what dentistry is all about and yet u decided to lie. Dr Gary Parker is a dentist and consultant oral & maxillofacial surgeon, and also the chief medical officer of Africa Mercy ships Hospital that performs free surgeries for indigent Africans with facial tumours, cleft lips and palate, orthopaedic surgery, plastic surgery, and the rest. There're medical doctors in the hospital, yet he is the chief medical officer while an orthopedic surgeon (a medical doctor) is the assistant chief medical officer. I'm not talking of chief Executive Officer which anybody can be. chief medical officer abroad is the same as chairman, medical advisory committee (CMAC) or head of clinical services. So, it's not peculiar to Nigeria. I want to ask u: can an optometrist be a chief medical officer where there's a medical doctor as in the case above? An optometrist can never be a medical officer in an international hospital like the one above. Even in America and London u quoted, a general dentist in private practice earns higher than a family doctor let alone an optometrist. Even in Cambodia, there is a shortage of dentists called maxillofacial surgeons. See d link: https://juliemasis./2013/10/03/phnom-penh-post-nil-by-mouth-how-cambodia-is-desperate-for-oral-surgeons-operations-on-the-face-and-neck-are-extremely-delicate-and-if-done-incorrectly-the-results-can-be-disastrous-cambodia/ For african mercy chief medical officer who is a dentist, see d links: http://www.prweb.com/releases/mercy_ships_scholarship/aaoms_sfomk/prweb9905874.htm http://newsroom.ucla.edu/stories/school-of-dentistry-alumnus-honored-as-miracle-worker-at-sea http://www.nationalgeographic.com.au/people/dr-gary-parker.aspx

What amazes me is your ignorant denial of facts. I gave you an example of NARHY 68 hospital yaba. I am not here to argue about healthcare politics with you. You are ignorantly ranting because dentistry is a beneficiary of nma's avid politicking.
Like I said before, that is where it ends.You guys have no independent bargaining power from medicine. IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR WHICH IS THE ULTIMATE ARBITER OF PROFESSIOBAL RELEVANCE, YOU GUYS ARE THE HUNGRIEST GROUP OF PROFESSIONALS. Oga I know dentists that hv grown tired of life because they cant get residency placement. Without the placement u guys are finished and gone. Why do you think ur department takes few students? TO AVOID PRODUCING HUNGRY TEETH PROFESSIONALS.Yet even the little they produce is too much. Only few people actually go for dentistry. There is no alternative to refraction, traditional or otherwise. Traditional medicine is a valid and viable alternative for teeth issues.
oga my advice is that you should also go into other things like spritual ministry. Since you can legally bear the title 'doctor'(even though you are not a medical doctor), people may trust you enough to believe your message. Hoping to make money through residency can be very frustrating, especially in dentistry where the option of private practice is almost non-existent.
You said I know what dentistry is, trust me I do.And that's why I want to set the record straight.

Mandeyy:
U optometrists are quacks!

Optometrists are quack yet you cannot identify an accomodative esophore.
They are quack yet cannot even identify an optic disc
They are quack yet you cannot even assess simple tear fxn
they quack yet u cannot diagnose even simple hyperopia
yet u cannot assess a simple kcs, or differentiate btw pterygium and pingueculum
you cannot assess even simple pupillary function not to talk of assessing the pupillary manifestation of neurosyphilis...in fact regarding ocular sciences you r an illiterate.
they r quack yet u have never heard of a bagollini test or keratometer
they are quack yet u cannot distinguish between a type 1and type 2 cupping...you are hopelessly deluded
you probably know nothing in neuropathology or orthoptics.not to talk of clinical optics or visual rehabilitation or ocular pathology.
You sure cannot distinguish between a retinopathy and optic neuropathy. neither can u intetprete a v.f chart or retinogram.are u not a buffon? insulting a doctor in a field you know next to nothing about.
u think clinical practice is all about carrying hammer and chisel. can you clerk an ophthalmic px.
can u interprete an ophthalmic case note.
This slowpoke that has never heard of maddox test, or fusional amplitude, or duction reserve tests, or von graffe, or contrast sensitivity test, or isihara or functional tests along with their interpretation etc amongst hundreds others is vomiting thrash...oga the only thing you know is teeth. stick to teeth. Even a general medical practitioner cannot start comparing himself to an optometrist in ocular issued, hw much less a dentist.
That being said, even if an optometrist is cleaning floors, the indisputable fact is that he is richer than s dentist. In lucrativeness dentists are comparable to opticians.
You r opening up your ignorant mouth to call dentistry a subspecialty. are you ignorant or merely being argumentative? Dentistry is a different proffesdion from medicine. It is not a specialty in medicine. you doubt need mbbs to become a dentist, u only need ur waec and jamb. U loon y r u trying to decieve people. Obstetrics and gynaecology, like other specialties in medicine require an mbbs, and a pass in the primaries. u fobt enter into neurology or internal medicine with jamb. In usa their schools are different with different exams. The inability of your comatose association to have a bargaining power independently has pushed them into obscurity.
this is the inferiority complex we talk about...DENTISTS ARE NOT MEDICAL DOCTORS.OR ARE YOU MEDICAL DOCTORS?
Ask the average dental dtudent his course of study and he will say "medicine". Are you studying medicine?
Now you are telling a useless lie, that dentistry is like obygyn as a medical specialty.
BUNCH OF HUNGRY WANABEES.

Mandeyy:
No optometrist has ever been a provost of college of medicine in Nigeria. Give me the name. He can be a VC but not a provost of college of medicine. This post is for medical doctors and dentists. Also, an ophthalmologist can also head an optometry dept, cos an optometrist is just a technologist to him. Optometry is not even lucrative in the private sector in Nigeria. I know many of them angling for govt jobs. Ur problem is that u don't know ur master. An optometrist claimed to be an ophthalmologist and operated on my aunty; she nearly died. Now she can't see with that left eye except the right eye that an ophthalmologist later operated on. U optometrists are quacks! Which medicine marginalizes dentistry? Liar!!! The President of the National Postgraduate Medical College of Nigeria that is in charge of residency programme for medical doctors and dentists is a dentist - Prof Abayomi Olaitan, the Ag. Registrar of Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria (MDCN), Dr T.A.B. Sanusi is a dentist. Residency training for dentists is recognized all over the world. However, this is not true for optometry except in the USA. I guess it's inferiority complex that is disturbing u. Which whole world does an optometrist have a job? An optometrist who can be employed as a marketer of eye glasses in London, is that one a noble profession? But in the western world, a general dentist makes more than his family doctor counterpart in private practice. Go and ask people if i'm lying. Nigeria Dental Association is the same as Association of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists of Nigeria, or Nigeria Paediatric Association all under Nigeria Medical Association. Who ever hears of these organizations separately? Nobody does! A dentist can be the president or chairman of Nigeria Medical Association (NMA). How do i know? Dr Paul Ugbodaga is a dentist but he became the chairman of NMA, Edo State branch; Drs Obimakinde and Chris Edeh became chairmen of NMA, Ekiti and Nassarawa Branches respectively. The dentist who died on his way to NMA meeting in Kano State (with medical doctors) was the president of Association of Resident Doctors, Ekiti State Teaching Hospital branch.

Mandeyy:
No optometrist has ever been a provost of college of medicine in Nigeria. Give me the name. He can be a VC but not a provost of college of medicine. This post is for medical doctors and dentists. Also, an ophthalmologist can also head an optometry dept, cos an optometrist is just a technologist to him. Optometry is not even lucrative in the private sector in Nigeria. I know many of them angling for govt jobs. Ur problem is that u don't know ur master. An optometrist claimed to be an ophthalmologist and operated on my aunty; she nearly died. Now she can't see with that left eye except the right eye that an ophthalmologist later operated on. U optometrists are quacks! Which medicine marginalizes dentistry? Liar!!! The President of the National Postgraduate Medical College of Nigeria that is in charge of residency programme for medical doctors and dentists is a dentist - Prof Abayomi Olaitan, the Ag. Registrar of Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria (MDCN), Dr T.A.B. Sanusi is a dentist. Residency training for dentists is recognized all over the world. However, this is not true for optometry except in the USA. I guess it's inferiority complex that is disturbing u. Which whole world does an optometrist have a job? An optometrist who can be employed as a marketer of eye glasses in London, is that one a noble profession? But in the western world, a general dentist makes more than his family doctor counterpart in private practice. Go and ask people if i'm lying. Nigeria Dental Association is the same as Association of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists of Nigeria, or Nigeria Paediatric Association all under Nigeria Medical Association. Who ever hears of these organizations separately? Nobody does! A dentist can be the president or chairman of Nigeria Medical Association (NMA). How do i know? Dr Paul Ugbodaga is a dentist but he became the chairman of NMA, Edo State branch; Drs Obimakinde and Chris Edeh became chairmen of NMA, Ekiti and Nassarawa Branches respectively. The dentist who died on his way to NMA meeting in Kano State (with medical doctors) was the president of Association of Resident Doctors, Ekiti State Teaching Hospital branch.

oga I am not arguing blindly with you. The former deputy provost of the absu college of medicine who is d current v.c is an optometrist. the current provost is an optometrist. check it out b4 parroting.
Then again ranting is sweet till I confront u with facts. General dentists make more money than genral physicians. oga you must be high!! Where are your buoyant dental clinics located, in heaven? Please with all your money, name obe successful dental clinic in Edo state. you are a compound liar.
The only hope a dentist hascof making any money is during your govt. sponsored residency. Dentistry is the poorest medical profession in Nigeria. How many people set out to actually pursue a course in dentistry?
If an optometrist in Nigeria performed surgery on your aunty's eye, report him to the police. You ignorant buffoon, even a general practitioner cannot touch the eye talk less of performing surgery on the eyes, you pathetic liar.
whenever we mention eye care you start ranting surgery like a besotted and befuddled chanter, sonI am asking uou a question:WHAT PERCENTAGE OF EYE CARE DOES SURGERY REPRESENT IN NIGERIA...less than 10%.
U r so ignorant, so let me ask you again how many proceedure u can perform as a general dentist...you hungry wannabees. You are now comparing yourself with medical doctors...pls replicatevur prowess in the private sector...
Read your write-up, your only claim to success is because u r able to head the association to which you belong...you proud that u belong to the same association with medicine. ..I laugh and ask again...how does that translate yo lucrativeness...
u guys trudge around in stupor and hunger crying for lack of residency placement and you are here yapping nonsense..
NOW THE SHOCKER: THE BIGGEST EYE CLINICS IN NIGERIA ARE OWNED BY OPTOMETRISTS. THELISH is owned by a Nigerian optometrist and Indian ophthalmologist. Dont ever compare dentistry with optometry in returns. Mention one successful dental clinic in Ekpoma your village. How many dental stand-alone clinics are successful. Dont give me thrash. Even radiography is much more lucrative than dentistry. Medicine is a super-lucrative profession, dentistry is not. Being a member of nma may give you certain priviledges in the public sector but it doesnt teanslate to money. You guys have your own dental association which nobody hears about because you have no bargaining power, and you parrot after medicine for left-overs. You are shouting that a dentist is the president of nma, which is an association to which you belong, do I brag that the president of noa is an optometrist. of course you guys gave inferiority complex. it is evident from your write-up.
Again to correct your ignorant mind, an ophthalmologist cannot head an optometry department.It has never happened and will never happen. The military eye hospital in NARHY 68 is headed by a doctor of optometry. Ask ur senior colleagues. How many locum jobs are available for the average dentist. Oga you guys are hungry. I wont advise my worst enemy to go into dentistry. Even a succesful optician's glazing lab is much more profitable than ur teeth clinic. no worry u will feed on gingival hypoplasia pxs after ur training.

Mandeyy:
No optometrist has ever been a provost of college of medicine in Nigeria. Give me the name. He can be a VC but not a provost of college of medicine. This post is for medical doctors and dentists. Also, an ophthalmologist can also head an optometry dept, cos an optometrist is just a technologist to him. Optometry is not even lucrative in the private sector in Nigeria. I know many of them angling for govt jobs. Ur problem is that u don't know ur master. An optometrist claimed to be an ophthalmologist and operated on my aunty; she nearly died. Now she can't see with that left eye except the right eye that an ophthalmologist later operated on. U optometrists are quacks! Which medicine marginalizes dentistry? Liar!!! The President of the National Postgraduate Medical College of Nigeria that is in charge of residency programme for medical doctors and dentists is a dentist - Prof Abayomi Olaitan, the Ag. Registrar of Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria (MDCN), Dr T.A.B. Sanusi is a dentist. Residency training for dentists is recognized all over the world. However, this is not true for optometry except in the USA. I guess it's inferiority complex that is disturbing u. Which whole world does an optometrist have a job? An optometrist who can be employed as a marketer of eye glasses in London, is that one a noble profession? But in the western world, a general dentist makes more than his family doctor counterpart in private practice. Go and ask people if i'm lying. Nigeria Dental Association is the same as Association of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists of Nigeria, or Nigeria Paediatric Association all under Nigeria Medical Association. Who ever hears of these organizations separately? Nobody does! A dentist can be the president or chairman of Nigeria Medical Association (NMA). How do i know? Dr Paul Ugbodaga is a dentist but he became the chairman of NMA, Edo State branch; Drs Obimakinde and Chris Edeh became chairmen of NMA, Ekiti and Nassarawa Branches respectively. The dentist who died on his way to NMA meeting in Kano State (with medical doctors) was the president of Association of Resident Doctors, Ekiti State Teaching Hospital branch.

oga I am not arguing blindly with you. The former deputy provost of the absu college of medicine who is d current v.c is an optometrist. the current provost is an optometrist. check it out b4 parroting.
Then again ranting is sweet till I confront u with facts. General dentists make more money than genral physicians. oga you must be high!! Where are your buoyant dental clinics located, in heaven? Please with all your money, name obe successful dental clinic in Edo state. you are a compound liar.
The only hope a dentist hascof making any money is during your govt. sponsored residency. Dentistry is the poorest medical profession in Nigeria. How many people set out to actually pursue a course in dentistry?
If an optometrist in Nigeria performed surgery on your aunty's eye, report him to the police. You ignorant buffoon, even a general practitioner cannot touch the eye talk less of performing surgery on the eyes, you pathetic liar.
whenever we mention eye care you start ranting surgery like a besotted and befuddled chanter, sonI am asking uou a question:WHAT PERCENTAGE OF EYE CARE DOES SURGERY REPRESENT IN NIGERIA...less than 10%.
U r so ignorant, so let me ask you again how many proceedure u can perform as a general dentist...you hungry wannabees. You are now comparing yourself with medical doctors...pls replicatevur prowess in the private sector...
Read your write-up, your only claim to success is because u r able to head the association to which you belong...you proud that u belong to the same association with medicine. ..I laugh and ask again...how does that translate yo lucrativeness...
u guys trudge around in stupor and hunger crying for lack of residency placement and you are here yapping nonsense..
NOW THE SHOCKER: THE BIGGEST EYE CLINICS IN NIGERIA ARE OWNED BY OPTOMETRISTS. THELISH is owned by a Nigerian optometrist and Indian ophthalmologist. Dont ever compare dentistry with optometry in returns. Mention one successful dental clinic in Ekpoma your village. How many dental stand-alone clinics are successful. Dont give me thrash. Even radiography is much more lucrative than dentistry. Medicine is a super-lucrative profession, dentistry is not. Being a member of nma may give you certain priviledges in the public sector but it doesnt teanslate to money. You guys have your own dental association which nobody hears about because you have no bargaining power, and you parrot after medicine for left-overs. You are shouting that a dentist is the president of nma, which is an association to which you belong, do I brag that the president of noa is an optometrist. of course you guys gave inferiority complex. it is evident from your write-up.
Again to correct your ignorant mind, an ophthalmologist cannot head an optometry department.It has never happened and will never happen. The military eye hospital in NARHY 68 is headed by a doctor of optometry. Ask ur senior colleagues. How many locum jobs are available for the average dentist. Oga you guys are hungry. I wont advise my worst enemy to go into dentistry. Even a succesful optician's glazing lab is much more profitable than ur teeth clinic. no worry u will feed on gingival hypoplasia pxs after ur training.
U r now stupidly saying that nigerian dental association is same as subspecialty association medicine. You lying stoways. Politics brought you into the same association with medicine, but you are two different and distinct bodies. In usa, dentistry and medicine are very different schools just like medicine and optometry. Professional parasitism arising from a low dental px base has made u incapable of standing alone. U r not a medical specialty, you are dentistry. A hungry group of professionals.

Mandeyy:
Even in d U.S., d surgery an optometrist performs is a minor surgery. Besides, it's not every country dat recognizes it. For instance, Italy and France (where they are trained by an ophthalmologist as his assistant, hence no formal training). But it's still a good profession if u can't get admission into medicine or dentistry.

what dentistry...oga speak of what u know...nobody goes into dentistry as a substitute for optometry in Nigeria. In that Italy and France, they dont have ods or any optometrists for that matter. They have just opticians. The mode of eye care practice is different from that obtainable in other places. Opthalmplogists dont train optometrists anywhere in the world...are they going to teach an optometrist clinical refraction or what? Only a fool will choose dentistry over optometry....am yet to see one person do that...Again, b4 u start ranting surgery, how many ocular surgeries are performed in Nigeria...Non-invasive proceedures are much more higher than the invasive proceedures in ocular care...in case u dont know, the eye is the only part of the body in which u can see nerves and blood vessels performibg diagnosis thereon without the need for cutting into the body...that is d reason that surgery is not as critical in ocular treatment as in other specialties.
pls dont mention optometry as a substitute for failure to get dentistry. only few people actually go for dentistry in Nigeria. 2015 had only 300 people putting for dentistry for jamb in uniben, so its not competitive at all. peace.

MrEgghead:
I won't waste my time arguing with young..I used to be like you before but I've found that your course of study doesn't determine how successful you'll be but Your ability to do what others don't do;creativity.
All these points you've been typing are assumptions but my points are not assumptions;they are very obvious at least in Nigeria.
I don't want to know who make more money because for the fact that we're in the same trade doesn't mean we'd make the same amount I mean in private setting;Numerous factors come to play..
But It's no assumption that you're behind in Nigeria's healthcare..I've never come across department of optometry in any Nigerian hospital or have you?
It has always been department of Opthalmology in which you guys play second fiddle.
saying you guys are not recognized is not far fetched.
Atleast in the govt setting,Optometrist earn below a dentist.
Residency plays a dentist beyond reach oncemore.
A dentist can always become a CMD of any public hospital and some other juicy positions.
An optometry can not head the department of Opthalmology. Sometimes,these potentials make you fulfilled even if you don't have much..So,it's not all about money,money!
Atleast these are not assumptions.
All those points you've given on private setting are based on the clinics you've been or your general perspective..
You can't use those ones as yardstick because not every businessman is successful.
Bottomline:saying your points are assumptions is not far fetched.

There are two things that will happen to you when you realize that dentistry scammed you after your housejob money is finished and you are borrowing money from ur optometrist friend to patch up ur 70k salary till month ending, when hunger starts knocking on your door as a general dental practitioner:
1. You either become a motivational speaker like you are trying to do in your post here,
2. You start hating everybody and everything like ur colleague homesteady.

I dont understand what you mean by optometry not being recognized...The current provost of the college of the college of , medicine absu, together with the v.c is an optometrist.
I think you r trying to say that optometrists dont enjoy the status that medical doctors enjoy in the public service. That is true. But then here it is, whatever medicine enjoys (and dentistry as a result of parasitic apposition to medicine) is a result of professional politics which optometry has never been a part of until fairly recently. The public service has never had an enormous attraction for optometrists who have always been well off in the private practice. Health care activism started fairly recently in optometry.
Then again it is in the realm of private practice that the actual value of a profession is weighed. There are medical specialties and even general practitioners that are stupendously successful. They prove that they are doing the govt a favour and not the other way round. Unfortunately dentistry is not one of them. Can dentistry please replicate all her self-acclaimed clinical prowess in the private sector. Of course they cannot. Govt feeds you for being close to medicine.
A govt dentist can earn a higher salary than the optometrist because the country is built for rent sharing. But that is where it ends.
The optometry earns a much higher income than the dentist. The optomettist is a citizen of the whole world, with employment waiting for him outside Nigerian whenever he wants it, which cannot be said of dentistry.
I better read medical radiography than dentistry. Your hope of measuring up to the successful optometrist is to become a cmd and start looting hospital funds...I just hope it pays you...
I am waiting for the day dental clinics start becoming busy, then we can talk.
Again, an optometrist cannot head a department of ophthalmology, neither can an ophthalmologist head a department of optometry. But both can head an EYE CLINIC. Go and check out military hospitals . Optometry have their own residency training just like dentistry. The only difference is that urs is sponsored by the federal govt. Like I said before, politics made it so. Thats why NMA pours huge funds into politics. Dentistry has their own association, yet nobody hears of you. Yet you guys have the temerity to complain about medicine's marginalization. If u guys complain they should throw you into the street to fend for yourselves, then lets see the real value of your services...
u said I am talking on assumption...be patient, the dead will soon sleep to his satisfaction...ur philosophy on money making not being a function of ur degree is okay. guard it.you will need it, especially as a dentist.

homesteady:
LWKMD. You are just a psychotic donkey-stubborn charlatan..
Okay, there are many optometrist who have dumped their 2nd class D.O degree and are now full-fledged prostitutes in Oluku. Go there and ask.
How about that?

Only few dentists are employed? You have always been reminding us that the admission quota allocated to dentistry is very low, which is true! I'm not sure there are up to 15 dental schools in Nigeria, and the school with the highest quota has about 40 slots and the rest schools around 20 something or even less. So about a maximum of 500 dentists graduate every year. There are about 82 recognised government owned hospitals, which comprises of Teaching hospitals and specialist or general hospitals. All these hospitals have a dental department, no matter how big or small. So do the maths, have you seen how foolish you are? Well, I won't be surprised if you say the 82 hospitals can't absorb the 500 dentists. Mind you, I didn't include private dental clinics oh.
Honestly, saying there are no job opportunities for dentists is one of the most idiotic opinion that can ever be spoken out. Don't try it again.

Nigga, I just told you about Eze Iyamu's wife dental clinic, and you still don't understand that Dental clinics can be run covertly and still produce good money.

BTW, why do optometry students keep running away from private clinics to do their internship and would rather wait years to get a spot in government owned hospitals? I hope you also do your internship in a private clinic Since you abhor government hospital job, I hope you don't get it.

Are you really arguing with me about that guy? bïtch, he failed, take it or take it. Besides how did you even know the guy? Are you this insecure that you are now stalking dental students? Wow! Get over the hatred, it won't take you anywhere. Jealous much.

hahaha...
why all these cry, did u enter into dentistry with the hope of making money...
all over nigetia the fact is established that private practice will not pay as high a salary as govetnment hospitals, even though a few pay considerably equal remuneration. but that is a function of the capitalist nature of the business environment which seeks to maximize profit. That says nothing about its lucrativenes especially since an optometrist with enough capital can open his.
Eye clinics in military hospitals are run by optometrists, army 68 at yaba a case in point. The dental clinic here for instance is a desert, if not for govt subsidy dental depts in many hospitals will close down.
the question I ask u again is this: BY WHAT STRETCH OF UR BENUMBED IMAGINATION CAN YOU COMPARE DENTISTRY WITH OPTOMETRY IN GENERATING PROFITS...WHO VISITS A DENTIST HERE, or are you comparing scaling and polishing with refraction...
why are you playing dumb...I know a dentist who out of frustration from seeking for residency had to travel to kaduna to take a job of 80k and u are hear yapping nonsense.
an optometric outreach can net an intetn up to 150k within 2 days. even an optician earns higher than a general dentist.
The federal govt and NMA politics is the saviour of dentistry in Nigeria. Everday you guys should go and prostrate b4 them thanking them. you are resident in Benin, abeg tell us one dental clinic comparable to daniel and davids or mayos or prime opticals. These are even too much; u r out of ur wits making this comparison. Go to the dental dept in Faith mediplex and other hospitals and see for urself. They are just clinical decorations. How can you compare px flow in an eye clinic to that of teeth...na wao.
Surfacing labs make millions on weekly basis...this guy hv u ever gone on a dental outreach? Can a dental department go on outreach independently and make any money? your lines are the shortest in any outreach.
Also, a Nigerian optometrist has a further advantage which a dentist doesn't. ..he can go to middle east and get rich...not to talk of america and canada... Dont worry, wen u look for residency and dont see, let me know the options u have as a dentist.
You guys are simply a product of entitlement. Your remuneration in govt establishment is a product of professional politics not your clinical output.
U come up here to decieve young ones to enter into dentistry when you know that you guys are hungry..In Warri, name a thriving dental clinic...u guys beg optometrists to open clinics together so as to divert px flow and u are hear talking nonsense...I guess u still in school, get ready for shock.

And of course you made my day: a clinic is run covertly, making money covertly...U r officially certified a comedian...covert practice, Cia abi Mossad style... Ize iyamu's wife runs a dental clinic covertly, my friend pray that u get a residency after ur service or else u go know say hunger no dey wire person covertly but openly for everybody to witness.

MrEgghead:
What will you gain from these arguments? You're talking as if you're in there purse....your hatred and contempt for Dentistry has beclouded your logical reasoning ability.
The optometry you're blabbing about is still far behind in health sector... If optometrists are so relevant there shouldn't be ophthalmologists.
Abeg swerve...Your department is not even recognized;Playing second fiddle to ophthalmologists.
Don't mention any financial issh because you don't live in their pockets.
Like you've visited all the clinics in Nigeria..
Assumptions is not cool for your intelligence.

My brother, this case scenario is very simple...throughout this country, the optometrist will always outgross a dentist. No matter how small the optometry clinic, oga a dentist will not contend. The private sector has giving us their judgement of the relevance of the professions. Even a busy optician will outgross a dental clinic. Let me not even mention the non-clinical technical aspect of optometry busines involving blank surfacing and contact lens. Some surfacing labs make an average of 5m a week. Go to agbor and ask about.
U guys r delusional to compare an optometric grossing with that of dentistry.
Do u even go for outreach? You guys are few because ur board knows that if they increase intake u guys will beg for a living. Without any support, optometry still by far outgrosses ur department which eats from medicine's laps.
You want change what is clear to everyone...you are trying to prove what is as clear as daylight.
Put ur money where ur mouth is. When u finish go and open a dental clinic in Benin, then u will know that hunger is not a text book concept.it is real.