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oceandive:
This guy is a confused human being, he is just seeking relevance for his profession which they don't have.. . At least u will know y he is beefing dentistry, is because he knows dentist are better than d glorified opticians.. .please leave him to his ignorance.. ..pained human being

The result is self-evident. When you claim to be educated but cant engage in simple ratiocination. You are giving me the fact that ize-iyamu's wife is a dentist as an evidence that dentistry is lucrative...are you not ashamed of yourself. With the relevance you have you guys still keep chasing optonetrists to open a joint venture so that u can divert their traffic to ur dry clinics. Go and open a dental clinic when you are thru, u will quickly understand life better.

homesteady:
And the entire universe trembles at your level of comprehension. Are you that simple that you couldn't catch the message in that paragraph? My bad.

OK, let me break it down for you - it just means that a dental clinic must not be a gigantic mansion or a popular brand before it can be classified as successful.

I've always known you to be a barefaced liar, and I knew sooner or later, your lies would catch up with you and you'd be exposed. The 40 something year old man(which I know you are lying about his age) left because he failed! He was supposed to repeat but he left. We are few, so we basically know almost everyone in our faculty, so I know the real issue on why he left. Besides it makes no sense to use such an unstable person like hims as a benchmark.

Sometimes I wonder whether you really think before you type. Why should a dentist go and work as a security man? Does it even make any sense? I hope you know that a dentist does not need a masters to become a lecturer? And he starts as lecturer 2 and not as graduate assistant. So why on earth would a dentist become a security man?

Oga you guys are hungry simple. Go to uniben security services and ask this slowpoke. Only a little number of u guys are employed, wat would the rest do. In Benin city, there is no single thriving dental clinics.
They are clinical deserts.You morons that rush to defend ur profession, i ask u:DO U LIVE IN MARS?
You want to decieve younger ones to enter into a profession in which ones u are not salaried in the govt. sector, u r finished. U r uttering arrant nonsense.
The guy I am telling u about is pharmacy. But of course u prefer fiction to truth. DENTISTRY IS A POOR PROFESSION DEPENDING ON GOVT HANDOUTS. QUOTE ME ANYWHERE.
Something as clear as daylight. Finish ur dentistry and get into the labour market, u will soon be disillusioned.

homesteady:
originbm do you know that Eze-Iyamu's wife is a dentist? Do you know the name of her clinic? I also don't even know! Do you how much she earns there? I just dey laugh you!
How many IVF clinics do you know? I'm sure you don't know any! So can you now assume that IVF clinics are not profitable because you don't know any?

Because you did extraction for N5000 or so at UBTH doesn't mean it is so everywhere! It is that cheap in UBTH so that students would be able to meet requirements and of course, it is government subsidized! In some private clinics, extraction costs more than 30K!

Some common cases like Root canal treatment cost more than 350K in slightly above average private clinic, and like 500k or above in top notch dental clinics! Yes it is a very common treatment!

Complete or partial dentures is also very common these days! In UBTH, complete is about 30k, while some moderate private clinics charge as much as 200-300K! And top notch clinics that use elastomeric materials and not alginate to take impressions charge far more than that!

Many people wear gold crowns in the North, do you think it comes cheap? Naaa!

Even scaling and polishing that is done freely by students in UBTH also costs much!

In this Benin you have been making noise about, you and I know that in almost every family they have someone abroad! Using USA as an example, dental treatment is so costly and is not covered by their health scheme, so when Nigerians abroad return home, they try to do their dental treatments here and are willing to pay so much, because they would pay higher when they go back abroad!

These are just but a few treatments done in almost every dental clinic! And most of this treatments are done by about just 2 subspecialties in dentistry and there are about 6-7 subspecialties! Bigger dental clinics have more facilities to carry out more expensive treatments that I wouldn't bother mentioning!

Oral awareness is still rising everyday in Nigeria, people are getting more exposed! You see how Nigerian are imbibing American cultures like Halloween, bridal and baby showers e.t.c, that's how they are also imbibing American and European dental culture! I hope you brush before sleeping and floss regularly? If you don't, then sigh, you are still an old fashioned Nigerian!

Oga,i shudder at u people's sense of logic....how does ize iyamu's wife being a dentist contribute to the lucrativeness of the profession in Nigeria... there are few thriving dental clinics in Nigeria. I hv someone in uniben, a 40 something old man that left 300 level dentistry to enter pharmacy complaining of lack of lucre in dentistry. Go ask of the dentist who works as security personnel in uniben...oga dont tell me what I know. Dentistry is not lucrative in Nigeria.simple

Mandeyy:
I'm happy dat reasonable pple have answered u. No need to argue with u again. U lack common sense.

Pls dont stop. I lack common sense? You hv not advanced a single point to prove that dentistry is lucrative. U r showing me residency placement call ups, bringing issues not in contention. . Everyone knows that while dentistry may enjoy a status close to that of medicine in Nigeria, it is not a lucrative profession. In usa it is lucrative, in Nigeria, it is not.

Mandeyy:
So, oral & facial tumors and malignant tumors (cancers), cleft lips & palates and facial trauma dat kill in droves, are mere tooth diseases? U're blind!!! Who told u dat d death rate from oral cancers is less than dat of kidney diseases? And it's a maxillofacial surgeon dat removes it.

U can rant all u want. Invoke oral cancer...It remains to see you replicating this awesome feats in private practice. U graduate 15 to 20 students in your school and still spend yrs looking for placement. Yet when unemployed by govt you are hungry. Tell your story to the moon. I will never argue with lucrative mefical specualties tgat generate hundreds of millions. Is dentistry in that cadre? NO. Is dentistry even close? NO . Even in Usa where dentistry is undoubtedly lucrative in private oractice, most of their pay cones from drilling, filling, braces...Things that cause cosmetic concern...The bulk of their incones doesnt cone from this pathologies u r rattling. The health scheme covers more of the aforementioned. Maybe one day Nigerians will start caring for a great smile and the dentist will start making some money, but for now, dentistry is far from there.

Mandeyy:
I don't talk with an ignoramus. I thank God i've shown u deadly diseases only a dentist has d expertise to treat. U lack evidence to back up ur argument as i've done to u. I hate blind arguments u're engaging in.

You are the ignoramus, sorry to say. How does treating those diseases translate into financial success. Mr man you are a product of warped thinking. Do you pick them up on the street everyday? What does dentists do most in Nigeria in private setting where the power of financial generation is reflected most? Do private dental clinics run on the strength of their patient base in ameloblastomas? Dont tell me nonsense. You see vibrant maternities, hospitals, specialty clinics....how many vibrant dental clinics abound....u r one who cannot sustain a simpke arguement, providing facts that have nothing to do with the arguements.

[quote author=Mandeyy post=56743303][/quote]Simple, optometry in public care setting in Nigeria is a product of professional politics. It is an abberration. You have your own department yet you guys are wretched, hanging on to govt dole outs. In Nigeria, optometrists work in public health care settings as last resort. U want to see eye care practice, go to a private clinic. Many of them are much more equipped than public hospitals. Has there been any talk on eye care in which an optometrist does not appear alongside an ophthalmologist?
As a matter of fact, that clinical refraction gives more money than any proceedure in dentistry cumulatively. Ophthalmologists live on it. What percentage of eye care practice in Nigeria is surgical? I am not about to argue about eye care with you. Dentistry is not lucrative in Nigeria. Simple truth.

Daudu1996:
[b]i cant just stop laughing@originbm, i know u are just trying to whine mandeyy. How on earth will u compare dentistry with optometry. This is like u comparing Optometry with Ophthalmology, or comparing Optometry with Audiologist, or are u trying to compare Optometry with ENT. u quite know that all this specialization are senior to Optometry.

Dentistry is also specialization under medicine as like other specialization. U saying dentist been poor, hahahahaha i laugh in spanish i know u are quite joking, one of my brother is a dentist in Lagos, come to his private clinic, once u go there around 10am, u cant see him again for that day because he will be busy patient with appointment. his lowest dental procedure is #7,000 and there are some procedure with 350k 0r even more than that.

Permonth he record nothing less than #800k. and is more than this at times, but he never record nothing less than that. and yet u said dentist are poor and his clinic is not big.

Some of his medical friends do say it that, if they av the opportunity of going back to study dentistry they will do so. i once ask one of dem dat is dentistry hard in school. they told me dat dentistry in school is like you studying medicine and dentistry together at once. they receive all medical course except obs and gynea, psychia, they study all the medical course along with their dental course.


When i first saw this post my thought was thatyo u want to whynne mandeyy i dont know that u are serious. if assuming u are comparing ophthalmology with dentistry, or ENT with dentistry even audiologist with dentistry i may gree with u, but not optometry with Dentistry. Optometry is a good course on its own but not to the extent of draging dignity with dentistry. Even MBBS cannot argue with Dentistry of which one is better, both are good course.

You mention dentistry is just checking the teeth, ohh am really sorry to say u know nothing about dentistry, audiology deals with the ear, hepatology deals with liver, Also dentistry deals with oral cavity and the facial strucure including the neck region so dentistry is a wide course.

Go to any general hospital or teaching hospital, the most patronize surgeon after gynecologist is dental surgeon. u may go to luth, lasuth or even uniben ur school and see the queue.

Am not siding dentistry nor downgrading opotometry both are good course buh Dentistry is more dan what u think of financially or academically.
dentistist are specialist ooo as ophthalmologist is also specialist.

both optometry and dentistry is good course but stop saying dentistry is j than the teeth, if you say this in a medical school, they will look you as an ignorant and they will take you for granted, thanks for Mandeyy that has time to reply you, most dental or medical student wont reply you because they will take you as an ignorant.

Originbm i know u are whinny him right, [/b]

Appearance is everything. I dont care what u think dentistry is . Do you know what optometry is. Make ur arguement without calling medicibe or medical school to dignify ur poor course. The question is whether Dentistry is lucrative in Nigeria... The answer is capital no. Let them replicate the feat in the private sector.Dont tell me thrash. And what is this audiology u are always calling. Are u trying to make a case for ur profession too? Then be bold to do so. Dont hide under another arguement to project urself. Or better still open up a thread for optometry and audiology.
Funny guy, ur brother is a busy dentist in Lagos.Multiply his takings by 20, if he is the richest dentist, it cant compare to the weekly grossing of thelish or unique.Did I say by 20? There are optometry clinics in Nicon Hilton hotels. YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. His cheapest proceedure is 7k? Funny...An optician...NOT AN OPTOMETRIST MIND YOU.... makes more than that on a single verilux prescription.
Oga dont tell me what I know , I also hv a dentist distant cousin who is always complaining of low patronage and expensive equipment. Where are the dental clinics to compare with optometry clinic.... I laugh....I THINK YOUR BROTHER HAS BEEN WHINNY YOU, to borrow your language.

Daudu1996:
[b]i cant just stop laughing@originbm, i know u are just trying to whine mandeyy. How on earth will u compare dentistry with optometry. This is like u comparing Optometry with Ophthalmology, or comparing Optometry with Audiologist, or are u trying to compare Optometry with ENT. u quite know that all this specialization are senior to Optometry.

Dentistry is also specialization under medicine as like other specialization. U saying dentist been poor, hahahahaha i laugh in spanish i know u are quite joking, one of my brother is a dentist in Lagos, come to his private clinic, once u go there around 10am, u cant see him again for that day because he will be busy patient with appointment. his lowest dental procedure is #7,000 and there are some procedure with 350k 0r even more than that.

Permonth he record nothing less than #800k. and is more than this at times, but he never record nothing less than that. and yet u said dentist are poor and his clinic is not big.

Some of his medical friends do say it that, if they av the opportunity of going back to study dentistry they will do so. i once ask one of dem dat is dentistry hard in school. they told me dat dentistry in school is like you studying medicine and dentistry together at once. they receive all medical course except obs and gynea, psychia, they study all the medical course along with their dental course.


When i first saw this post my thought was thatyo u want to whynne mandeyy i dont know that u are serious. if assuming u are comparing ophthalmology with dentistry, or ENT with dentistry even audiologist with dentistry i may gree with u, but not optometry with Dentistry. Optometry is a good course on its own but not to the extent of draging dignity with dentistry. Even MBBS cannot argue with Dentistry of which one is better, both are good course.

You mention dentistry is just checking the teeth, ohh am really sorry to say u know nothing about dentistry, audiology deals with the ear, hepatology deals with liver, Also dentistry deals with oral cavity and the facial strucure including the neck region so dentistry is a wide course.

Go to any general hospital or teaching hospital, the most patronize surgeon after gynecologist is dental surgeon. u may go to luth, lasuth or even uniben ur school and see the queue.

Am not siding dentistry nor downgrading opotometry both are good course buh Dentistry is more dan what u think of financially or academically.
dentistist are specialist ooo as ophthalmologist is also specialist.

both optometry and dentistry is good course but stop saying dentistry is nothing than the teeth, if you say this in a medical school, they will look you as an ignorant and they will take you for granted, thanks for Mandeyy that has time to reply you, most dental or medical student wont reply you because they will take you as an ignorant.

Originbm i know u are whinny him right, [/b]

1.There are private eye clinics that earn 400k a day, even in Benin many earn 200k a day. So 800k a day is chicken feed. Many clinics make it in a week.Before u tell me about wat dentists do , pls go back and look at the arguement. We know what they do, I dont need the lecture. If uvr coming here to tell me that dentistry is lucrative because their consultants earn 800k a month then I dont know wat to say. And again audiology?
Oga dont give me thrash. Many optometry eye clinics employ ophthalmologists for cataract extraction which is what they do mostly in Nigeria. So dont feed me thrash.The biggest eye clinics in Nigeria are owned by optonetrists not ophthalmologists. Ask around. Thelish is owned by a Nigerian optometrist and an Indian ophthalmologist.Are audiologists even known in Nigeria? Dont give me thrash. We are talking abt the Nigerian business environment. Even in Usa the audiology programme ia a bsc and msc programme, so what are u saying. Dr of Audiology just started in 2007 in usa and u r comparing it with optometry. My friend relax. In canada it is still bsc.In Nigeria u dont hear of any audiology clinic.
I hv challenged u guys physically to name one vibrant dental clinic ib Edo state and you cant. I can name 15 vibrant optonetry clinics.
Pls dobt tell me what dentistry does. They derogate peopke's profession so I hv the right to pay in kind. One of them said that optonetry is a 5yr course in Nigeria.
And at least when you want to take sides be honest about it. YOU cant be approbating and reprobating at the same time.

[quote author=Mandeyy post=56654574][/quote]Which queue!!! Your dentists create artificial scarcity by refusing to see patients. Mr man go and rest! Pls go and sample private hospitals for the reality. Dental clinics having a queue? Dont kill me with laugh...U think I hv not researched b4 writing? Dont worry your eye will soon be clear.

[quote author=Mandeyy post=56654574][/quote]My friend shut up. Not all Nigerians are as poor as dentists. What is 500 000 naira. People do kidney transplant in India and spend millions. Nobody spends money on teeth. Nobody takes teeth seriously enough to spend that much. Philantropists will not cough out that amt of money when serious isdues abound. Teeth is not top priority. Deal with it.
Another moronic input. So dentistry takes few students because of inadequate training facilities.Your board stipulates d amount of intake based on economic factors. So with all your noise u only hv equipment to cater for 25. Nonsense. Its a self preservation technique.U guys can take up to 70 at least. Try it and see whether u wont turn to beggars.

Mandeyy:
@ Originbm, let me tell u why medicine and dentistry belong to d same body in most parts of d world, or have equal rights and privileges: it's 'cos dentistry is a branch of medicine. Optometry is not a branch of medicine, just like med lab, med radiography, med rehabilitation, etc are not branches of medicine. Optometry, like d ones i mentioned above, is an allied health science trained to be a support staff to doctors. Dental students do d same courses (pathology & pharmacology) with d medical students in 400 level. It's called 3rd MBBS/BDS. Even if u do these two courses in optometry, it's not well detailed. Both will sit 4 d same exam, with d same marking. After dat, dental students will also do their courses and still take anoda 3rd BDS. Then in 500 level, they will do medicine & surgery with 600 level medical students. This involves clinical rotations through the medical and surgical depts except obst & gynaecology, paediatrics & psychiatry. Thereafter, u will be tested clinically as part of d exam.

You are imputing facts that are irrelevant. Optometry has never been a branch of medicine. Optometry is an INDEPENDENT healthcare profession that developed along its own lines. Not every profession has to hug or invoke the name of medicine to get relevance. I dont have to study nedicine to study pathology and pharmacology in details.Optometrists not only study pathology, they study ocular pathology which dentistry will never dream of doing. With all your pathology and pharmacology can u handle the simplest ocular presentation....even simple hyperopia. Can u differentiate between type1and type 2 optic discs? What do u know about ocular biochemistry. Can u understand the simplest ophthalmic prescription...mr doctor can u even do one ocular diagnostic proceedure... can u interprete a phoria graph....can u do an ophthalmic work-up or even measure ophthalmic vitals? Are u even sane....Go and do your nonsense in teeth extraction, you are only a "doctor" in teeth. In eyes you are not a doctor, u know next to nothing. You are proud in ignorance. An optometry doctor writes not 1 but 3 kinds of prescription
1.drugs
2.ophthalmic prescription
2.Low vision prescriptions.
You are rattling nonsense. You did pathology, so . Do u know anything in neuropathology? Even an mbbs holder cannot challenge an OD in opthalmic practice, how much less a dentist. Even your teeth consultants cannot challenge an ordinary OD not to talk of an optometry consultant. An optometrist is trained in the diagnosis and treatment of ocular conditions. Undergo a training not identical but which might even be more gruelling than that of dentistry. So dont tell me thrash.

It is funny that all your claim for greatness is because u r in the same faculty with medicine. Will medicine claim greatness because they are in the same faculty with dentistry? Impossible. U guys a poor, poor spongers.
Use ur wikipedia. OPTOMETRISTS A DOCTORS. IN NIGERIA THEY ARE DOCTORS. IN HEALTH CARE DATABASE THEY ARE DOCTORS. THEY DIAGNOSE, TREAT, REHABILITATE OCULAR CONDITIONS, PLUS SYSTEMIC CONDITIONS WITH OCULAR PRESENTATION. DO CLINICAL ANALYSIS, INTERPRETE RESULTS AND REFER WHEN NECESSARY AND USE A BATTALION OF OCULAR PROCEEDURES. Like you are mere teeth doctors, they are eye doctors. Everything you can do in teeth they can do on eye, with the only exception of surgery. In A merica and Canada optometrists perform surgery. And surgery makes up only 5% of treatment modules in Nigeria. Go and look up optometry and stop speaking thrash. IF U WANT TO SEE OPTOMETRY DONT GO TO PUBLIC HOSPITALS WHERE POLITICS DETERMINES WHO DOES WHAT, GO TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR. OPTOMETISTS OWN THE LARGEST EYE CLINICS IN NIGERIA. DENTISTRY IS POOR SIMPLE.

Mandeyy:
A public hospital dat a dentist can be d CMD of? U lack sense. Google oral and facial cancers dat Nigerian maxillofacial surgeons have removed over d yrs. In an accident and emergency dept of any hospital, be it Nigeria or abroad, it's an oral surgeon dat surgically and medically treats accident victim with facial trauma. I've given u a list of dentists who are achievers; at least, Dr T.A.B. Sanusi (a dentist) is still d registrar of Medical & dental council. Just google oral & maxillofacial surgery in Nigeria. Stop blind arguments. Dentistry and surgery as a whole started from barber surgeons. Google it.

Mr man for the record, and I am sorry to say it u sound dumb...since a dentist being a cmd amounts to lucrativeness of dentistry, tell ur peopke to take 100 dentistal students in one year per school. You brag that you are the owners of teeth, no problems. Optometrists and ophthalmologists both treat eye diseases but the eye care professions whether optometry or ophthalmology are still far more lucrative than dentistry. I'ld rather be a medical radiographer than a dentist.
You guys still trudge around looking for space for residency. Pls stop speakibg thrash.

Mandeyy:
A public hospital dat a dentist can be d CMD of? U lack sense. Google oral and facial cancers dat Nigerian maxillofacial surgeons have removed over d yrs. In an accident and emergency dept of any hospital, be it Nigeria or abroad, it's an oral surgeon dat surgically and medically treats accident victim with facial trauma. I've given u a list of dentists who are achievers; at least, Dr T.A.B. Sanusi (a dentist) is still d registrar of Medical & dental council. Just google oral & maxillofacial surgery in Nigeria. Stop blind arguments. Dentistry and surgery as a whole started from barber surgeons. Google it.

You lack the capacity for decent arguement. Perhaps thats y u ended up with dentistry.
There are few thriving dental clinics in Nigeria. Rattling names is a moot point in all ramifications. We are talking lucrativenes and you talking nonsense. Optometry in Uniben remits about 7.5 million every quarter to Uniben. Dentistry will never dream of that. You are rattling nonsense. If a dentist is the registrar of mcdn, what is my concern. Is that not your regulatory council? Is the registrar of ODORBN not an optometrist? Will a dentist become a registrar of ODORBN. You cant even maintain a simple line of arguement.
In your delusion u are positing that dentistry started at the middle age. Did you read also that prior to the middle ages tooth drilling was done with bow drills used by skilled bead crafters I.e those that craft and sell beads. In the middle ages ONLY tooth extraction was handled by barbers. This is suggestive of the level of chirugery permissible in dentistry then. Physicians handled other tooth issues. Don't give me thrash. Dentistry as a profession was regulated for the first time in uk in 1921.
But of course all these are orbiter. Dentistry is a poor profession in Nigeria. You cant compare it with optometry in lucre.Optometry and dentistry are not on the same level in grossings. Dentistry cannot exist independently, simple. Telling me that the registrar of a board to which dentistry belongs is a dentist is pathetic.It is called medical and dental council, should it be an achievement for a dentist to be its registrar? It is suggestive of the fact that u see it as a priviledge that u head a council to which u belong. It exposes the underlying slave mentality of ur profession.
If you want to guage the real relevance of any profession, look to the private sector. Like I said before, even optical labs gross more than many dental clinics.
Go and get a loan, then open a dental clinic. You will learn from experience.

Mandeyy:
@ Originbm, those dat studied dentistry after a medical degree: http://www.geneeskundeboek.nl/oxford-handbook-of-oral-and-maxillofacial-surgery In Nigeria, Dr Chikwendu Ejike (a dentist and consultant oral and maxillofacial surgeon) and his dental team removed this oral tumor known as ameloblastoma in a surgery called "hemimaxillectomy" in Owerri, Imo State: http://www.nationalhelm.net/2016/12/see-what-doctors-removed-from-mouth-of.html?m=1 and Dr Seidu Bello (a dentist): http://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/03/group-renders-free-services-maxillofacial-patients-minna/ Also see dat of Dr Sunday Obimakinde (a dentist and chairman, Nigeria Medical Associatio, Ekiti State) did: https://www.medicalworldnigeria.com/201/5/11/free-surgeries-for-tumour-patients-in-ekiti and http://ekitistate.gov.ng/2012/08/fasuba-charges-nma-on-capacity-building/ This is just to tell dat oral and maxillofacial diseases abound in Nig but d trtments are costly. It has to be subsidized by govt and well-meaning Nigerians.

My brother, Chikwendu Ejike did well to advertise in vanguard, Sunday Obimakande also did well. That's not my headache. If they like let them remove a lion's teeth from a spider's anus, that is their 10 kobo. Maxillo facial surgery is an occult specialty, as far as Nigeria is concerned, not to talk of its profitability. How many profitable locums does a dental surgeon run in a yr? That's y u guys fight for federal jobs as if its ur lifeline. Goodluck on removing ameloblastomas in vanguard in the future. Just make sure a public hidpital gat ur back.

Mandeyy:
@ Originbm, d former provost, college of health sciences, obafemi awolowo univesity and d new vice chancellor of d same university, Prof. Eyitope Ogunbodede, is a dentist. See d links: http://dailypost.ng/2017/05/08/eyitope-ogunbodede-emerges-new-oau-vc/ and https://www.nairaland.com/3786746/eyitope-ogunbodede-obafemi-awolowo-universitys They are numerous but just a few were mentioned here. D fmr NMA, Edo State, Dr Philip Ugbodaga, is a dentist, Dr Gbujie Daniel, associate member, world medical association and fmr secretary general, national association of resident doctors, is a dentist; Dr Linda Iheme who broke d highest record in d college of medicine and scored 6 distinctions in d overall result of medical and dental students at UNIBEN, is a dentist; Prof. Ogunlewe, d past CMAC, LUTH, is a dentist. Every time, indigent Nigerians suffering from oral and maxillofacial diseases, esp. oral and facial benign and malignant tumors (cancers), cleft lips and palates, facial trauma, are begging for free surgery.

The first rule of arguement is understanding the bones in contention.
You are giving me evidence that a dentist scored 6 distinction in college of medicine I.e a distinction doctor. What is my concern with that. Thats her faculty. The best student in IMSU overall in 2016 was an optometry student.That's not my contention. Optometry doesnt write mb so that's a moot point. Academic excellence in their individual faculties is an individual thing.
You r telling me about dentist being a v.c, so what? The V.C of Plateau State University, Prof Sheni is an optometrist.
Look over everything you wrote, they are all product of dentistry's professional association with medicine. If you guys are so needed, doing cleft lips and paaate surgeries left and right, doing oral surgeries everywhere, why don't you replicate this feat in the private sectors?
If you guys are so precious that poor people line up begging for surgical hand-outs, y are your practitioners always sleeping on their desks in hospitals?
Like I hv said b4, u guys are mere beneficiaries of Nigeria's warped health care system. Because the govt is still able to hand out endowments to political health officers and jobbers. U cant survive outside govt dole, shikena.Or can you?

Mandeyy:
Even in Pakistan, there is one body 4 d two: Pakistan medical and dental council. It's just in Nigeria alone. I have told u why a dentist is addressed as a mr, mr or miss and u're doubting. U're irredeemable. All surgeons in Britain (weda u're a dental surgeon or medical surgeon) are called misters. Dentistry and surgery as a whole started from barber surgeons. I don't know y u hate d truth. Or does optometry also belong to royal college of surgeons as dentists?

My friend stop quixoting. A dentist is called mr in uk, and a medical doctor is called dr in uk. U r speaking thrash. A surgeon in uk is adressed as mr, that is a different issue. Stop speaking nonsense. Never will a dentist be called dr in uk.Dentistry never started from barber surgeon, stop speaking thrash, go and read ur community health. You are stupid for not knowing the truth when you see it. The question was whether a dentist is a doctor in uk? The answer is a pretty straightforward no.
Optometry never has been in the same professional body with medicine. It is amazing that the only claim that dentistry has to prestige is their membership of the same body with medicine. Dentists are not doctors in uk, case closed. Dont explain what u don't know, u dont know anything about professional jurisdictional politics. In Nigeria dentistry has no presence, simple.

Mandeyy:
@ Originbm, as i was saying, Prof. Chima Oji 1st studied medicine b4 obtaining anoda degree in dentistry (cos he loves dentistry). Have u ever seen a medical doctor studying optometry? Tell me. Optometry comes from optics (eye-related refraction of lens) and metron (measurement) in physics. British Dentists wanting to bear d title "dr" always state dat their patients do think dat an American dentist who bears d title "dr" and is practising in d UK is more qualified dan they (without realizing dat it's almost d same training). It has nothing to do with denigration. In Britain (Scotland is part of it), only doctors and dentists have d rights and privileges to admit, treat, manage and discharge a patient and not an optometrist. They even belong to d same Royal College of Surgeons (RCS) as their medical surgeon colleague, which is called FFDRCS (fellow, faculty of dentistry of d royal college of surgeons). This fellowship is got after a number of years of residency as their medical colleagues. Ignorance is bad.

It takes just 3ys or less for the medical doctor to study dentistry. Optometry will take 5yrs. I wouldnt know y a medical doctor would opt for dentistry even if it is one month. It would be the easiest extra professional degree to get for the medical dr. Dentistry means thre study of the teeth yet u r shouting that teeth is not ur only jurisdiction. Of course the first optometrists were jewellers while the first surgeons were barbers, simply because they had the equipment suitable for the purpose. Thats the reason why surgeons in uk drop the dr title after they complete their residency . They take up the mr title in acknowledgement of their humble backgrounds.Did dentistry start as ubth dentists? They started as peddlers. Optometry even had the least humble beginning. So dont tell me about humble beginnings. In case u dont know, vision is an interplay of light and the visual system. Light is more intimately related to the eyes than blood is to the blood vessels. Sight is a product of the interplay of light and biological systems. So underplaying the efunction of light shows how ignorant u are. Remove a cataractous lens and miscqlculat ur intraocular lens specification, and you are back to square one.so dont talk wat u dont know.
You are arguing nonsense... Are dentists doctors in uk? Nooooooooooooooooo. Simple. Optometry hv their own residency in the usa...FAAO. Simple.Dentistry is not lucrative and yet have a dependence and non-harmonization issue. Dont spew thrash....

Mandeyy:
@ Originbm, as i was saying, Prof. Chima Oji 1st studied medicine b4 obtaining anoda degree in dentistry (cos he loves dentistry). Have u ever seen a medical doctor studying optometry? Tell me. Optometry comes from optics (eye-related refraction of lens) and metron (measurement) in physics. British Dentists wanting to bear d title "dr" always state dat their patients do think dat an American dentist who bears d title "dr" and is practising in d UK is more qualified dan they (without realizing dat it's almost d same training). It has nothing to do with denigration. In Britain (Scotland is part of it), only doctors and dentists have d rights and privileges to admit, treat, manage and discharge a patient and not an optometrist. They even belong to d same Royal College of Surgeons (RCS) as their medical surgeon colleague, which is called FFDRCS (fellow, faculty of dentistry of d royal college of surgeons). This fellowship is got after a number of years of residency as their medical colleagues. Ignorance is bad.

It takes just 3ys or less for the medical doctor to study dentistry. Optometry will take 5yrs. I wouldnt know y a medical doctor would opt for dentistry even if it is one month. It would be the easiest extra professional degree to get for the medical dr. Dentistry means thre study of the teeth yet u r shouting that teeth is not ur only jurisdiction. Of course the first optometrists were jewellers while the first surgeons were barbers, simply because they had the equipment suitable for the purpose. Thats the reason why surgeons in uk drop the dr title after they complete their residency . They take up the mr title in acknowledgement of their humble backgrounds.Did dentistry start as ubth dentists? They started as peddlers. Optometry even had the least humble beginning. So dont tell me about humble beginnings. In case u dont know, vision is an interplay of light and the visual system. Light is more intimately related to the eyes than blood is to the blood vessels. Sight is a product of the interplay of light and biological systems. So underplaying the efunction of light shows how ignorant u are. Remove a cataractous lens and miscalculate ur intraocular lens specification, and you are back to square one.Which do u think is easier:to handle a possner-schlossman or glaucomatocylitic patient or to handle a patient with accomodative infacility? so dont talk wat u dont know.
You are arguing nonsense... Are dentists doctors in uk? Nooooooooooooooooo. Syour title is subject to jurisdictional politics just like optometry's.Simple. Never mind that your profession is older than optometry. What a shame.Optometry hv their own residency in the usa...FAAO. Plus FNCO in Nigeria.Simple.Dentistry is not lucrative and yet have a dependence and non-harmonization issue. Dont spew thrash

Wizydom144:
Mandeyy......keep educating him....just educate him wella...
Also tell him that dental surgeons study medicine, surgery (including anastesiology, opthalmolgy, cadiothoracic, pediatric surgery, etc), pharmacology and therapeutics, pathology, basic Med sci, and also have to study restorative dentistry,peadiatrics, preventive and community dentistry, and oral and maxillofacial surgery (including its diagnoses, radiology, medicine and its pathology).........
Tell him that all this are studied simultaneously in 6yrs, such that a dental surgeon is not just a doctor but a special type of doctor.....a dentist!! Or dental surgeon as it is fondly called....
Tell him that a medical doctor studies medicine and surgery, but a dental surgeon studies medicine, surgery and dentistry at same time.....
Tell him that dentistry is not just teeth but the specialty that deals with the medicine, pathology, diagnoses, radiology and surgery of the oral cavity, that maxillo and facial region, the head and some part of the neck.....
Tell him that apart from the dental clinic and an oral maxillofacial units, that in every plastic surgery unit of any standard hospital like uch for instance, that we have a dentist who specialized in oral maxillo facial surgery being among the frontiers of plastic and aesthetic team.....
Tell him that some specialties in dentistry is part of emedicine( emmergency med) ask him how many emmergencies hv been encountered in optometry...
Tell him that there's a field called forensic dentistry for criminal cases and identification during mass accident and fire outbreak like bombing and plane crash....it was one of the measures taken by luth in identification of corpses after dana plane crash.......
Tell him that dentistry re not in the clinic to count teeth...

Just nine dental schools in nigeria, and u say there's no prospect for a country with billions of pple....ah! Oga think nah.....
They re special type of doctors......a doctor and a surgeon at same time
All dentists are doctors but not all doctors are dentists......

1. All dentists are not doctors. Certainly not in uk and many other countries.They are doctors onlyvat the pleasure of medical doctors.
2. My brother you can spew whatever you want. If dentistry is so lucrative, name one thriving one in edo state. U cabt name it.
Go to any hospital and enquire, dental clinics are clinical deserts. Which investor will invest in dentistry.You talk of forensic medicine, there is forensic optometry.
Optometrists in us perform surgical proceedures. Its the politics that is stopping that in Nigeria. Even at that they cover the didactic modalities for every ophthalmic surgery so as to counsel px effectively.
You are asking me whether optometrists encounter emergency....are u not ignorant?
Crvo, crao and retinal detachment arevnot an ocular emergencies? Do u even know wat an ocular emergency is?
Corneal fb is not an ocular emergency?
Go and make ur research b4 talking.
From anat to physio, to pathology to pharmacology, to paediatrics, to neuropathology, to clinical proceedres numbering more than 70 in both specialties and general pratcice, to clinical Psychology and clinical optics, plus community health and biostatitics, plus ocular pathology and pharmacology.....just a few...the optometrist does all this in 6yrs. So dont spew thrash, u dont study harder than the optometrist.
Even if there were only one school of dentistry, it will still be too much. Dental care is not a priority in Nigeria.During case history taking for patient, we usually ask them for their last dental exam date....most hv never visited a dentist. A few hv only gone to remove a tooth. Have u never gone for an outreach? How many dental px did you encounter....compare it with eye pxs.
My dear, go and speak to ur honest senior colleagues....dentistry sucks financially. After the tagging behind medicine inthe university, enter the real world then come back and talk.
May 6ou be absorbed by public hospital, if not u r finished.

Mandeyy:
@ Originbm, since u mentioned Pakistan, see what i got there about optometry. In Pakistan, it's said dat if u scored low in entrance exam, and cannot be admitted to study MBBS or BDS, u should think of optometry. See d link: http://www.studysolutions.pk/career-scope-oflig-od-in-pakistan-eligibility-tips-nature-of-work and http://www.optometrystudents.com/optometry-in-pakistan-a-students-message-of-hope-for-the-future-of-his-profession/

I gave established facts and you are giving me opinion of people. Is dentistry not 4 yrs in pakistan? Are dentists doctors in uk? Answer the questions. There are many countries where dentists are not recognized as doctors. Professional harmonization is lacking in dentistry so stop yakking. U guys are doctorsonly where medicine's politics has favoured you. With Medicine's support u r still poor and insignificant. If medicine withdraws their support from u, even lab technicians will do better than you.

Mandeyy:
@ Originbm, ignorance is d biggest disease u have 4 comparing optometry with dentistry. Go to Kenya and see dat optometry is not even recognized. It's even diploma and B.Sc dat it's called in Kenya. They're hardly employed. In America and Britain, they are marketers 4 companies selling eye glasses. In private practice, they're not making it in America and Britain, let alone Nigeria. Google and see. One of u dat even said d truth, Ezebuiroh, said dat even a functional slit biomicroscope 4 ur training in Absu is lacking, dat he doesn't blame d doctors 4 maltreating optometrists. U're just ignorant!

Moronic input. Different professional bodies in different countries stipulate the minimum benchmark for qualification. In india dentistry is a 4yr course with one yr internship.In pakistan it is a 4yr degree.Even in uk its a 5yrs course. Even in scotland they are not calked doctors.They are begging for recognition as doctors. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/3329907/Dentists-claim-the-right-to-be-called-Dr.html Check out that link.
Harmonisation of professional standard is an issue in dentistry just like optometry.so dont speak nonsense. Australia awards bachelor of dental science.In 2009, a dentist in uk called John Stowell was investigated and sanctioned for using the title "doctor" in a magazine. He is still currently under sanction from ASA in uk. In America they are not under medical schools. They hv their own college just like optometry. The same number of years just like optometry. U said optometrists dont make it in uk or britain hahaha... U guys are claiming a right to be called doctors in many countries because u are given dds, yet you come here to spew thrash.
Dentistry will never compare with optometry in grossings in Nigeria. Please name one thriving dental clinic in Benin city. How much is tooth extraction-2000 naira. Thats what you want to become rich by. Just last month one of my doctor friends left for quatar for practice. He graduated in 2014. He is paid in dollars.q I hv friends in saudi, what is more, u r given 2yrs contract on the spot with an option of increasing it if u so wish. In that Kenya offers a bsc in optometry but only doctors of optometry lecture there. Most of them are Nigerian doctors. One of them is the owner of Our Lady's Eye Hospital in Benin city located at First East Circular rd. Ask around.Ghana offers doctor of optometry. Ezebuiroh is a critic and he is on point. The fact that one of the schools of optometry is not up and doing doesn't mean the profession is suffering. Even America with all her powers and immense wealth and development is still criticized by her citizens. That is called freedom of expression.The board can close down the school if truly they are incompetent. Will you now posit that because the accreditation of uniben to offer medicine was withdrawn in 2009, or pharmacy's in 2016, or because uniabuja has been perpetually disaccredited from operating law program their professions are dead or no longer profitable? Last two yrs, the medical students in anambra state university were protesting due to lack of facilities, they had no cadaver for their anatomy lectures. Last month medical doctor graduates were crawling the streets of Lagos bearing placards and asking for increased spobsorship for their residency programmes complaining that itcwas becoming impossible to get placement for residency training. Some cmds were even lambasted for short handed practices. So dont come here to spew rubbish. Every proffession has their own thorns. But even at that Optometry still waxes strong.Optometry clinic in Uniben is bigger and more equipped than the ophthalmology dept in ubth. And uniben optometry has two clinics, one in ugbowo and the other in ekenwa, both fully equiped. A critic is essential for the continued development of every organisation, and as psycholgical puncture for any abccess induced by complacency in the professional body. I wonder u were not taught that. Even an optical lab will do better than a dental clinic in Nigeria. Everbody knows that dentistry is not lucrative, so wat is the point of ur arguement.

Mandeyy:
in UNIBEN, optometry is under d faculty of science and is even part of d dept of physics while dentistry is a faculty of its own, under a college of medicine. Dental trtments are costly and unaffordable by most Nigerians. That doesn't mean dat many Nigerians are suffering from oral and maxillofacial diseases. Tooth infections are d least of what a dentist treats. Tooth infections can even lead to blindness, orbital and brain abscesses and kill d patient. Compare ur optometry with dental therapy/, dental technology or dental nursing. The three are under d headship of a dentist.

if you go back and read my former posts I hv tacled these issues b4. Uniben optometry refused to come under medical sciences and assume the position of a basic medical science like nursing and other allied health sciences are grouped. In Abia State University, optometry is under college of medical sciences and is quoted as such in jamb. Infact the immediate past deputy provost of Abia State College of medical sciences (who is the recent vice-chancellor) is an optometrist-Prof. Uche Ikonne.
Uniben nma fought the introduction of O.D and threatened that optometry will never benefit from medicine's struggle if they introduced the degree. Tney chose independence. Today they are the living proof that one can suceed outside the goodwill of insitutional medicine. Optometry is million times more lucrative than dentistry even with all the persecution. Dentistry is not as rich as physiotherapy or radiography talk more of pharmacy. Yet u only take 25 students a yr.An optician in Benin will do better than a dentist in private practice , how much more an optometrist.... dont tell me what tooth disease is.....ur profession is poor simple.

Mandeyy:
As i was saying, dental nursing, dental therapy and dental technology are under d headship of a dentist just as optometry is under d headship of an ophthalmologist. Even these three have separate boards while optometry and optics are under one body. If support staff in dentistry have separate boards, while optometry and optics are just under one body (ODORBN), dat shows u shld stop a foolish argument about dentistry. Why shld i even go to an optometrist when there's an ophthalmologist who knows all about eyes just as a dentist knows all about oral and maxillofacial diseases and not just about teeth

You dont know anything about health care politics...Opticians are on the same board with optometry. That was the making of optometrists. There being on a different board is not a biggy. Not everyone has an elitist mentality.If we wanted we will seperate from them, but we dont want. We still train them in every aspect of their education, including in ubth. We are in charge. It is a testimony to the acumen of optometry as a profession that u cannever hear wrangling between optometrists and opticians like u hear that between dentists and dental therapists and technicians.The fact that the dental therapists and technologists have their own board means that they fought and defeated u. The only advantage dentists have is that which medicine has given them. And yet you guys still cry about opression from medicine, all be it secretly. An optometrist knows more of clinical refraction than any ophthalmologist can ever hope to know. Ophthalmologists used to be on the board of odorbn till optometry kicked them out.One day if opticians become politically tough enough they will get their own board.For now it is a testimony to optometry's political will that they dont.

Mandeyy:
who told u dat teeth is what a dentist cares for. I've read all ur lies. Even in private dental practice in Nigeria, dentistry is way ahead of optometry. It's just dat dental treatment is costly. Have u searched about oral and maxillofacial surgery, oral pathology and oral medicine (all branches of dentistry, to name a few)? I've seen a lot of oral and maxillofacial diseases in Nig. It's just dat poor pple lack money 4 those trtments, hence govt shld subsidize them. In d hospital setting, it's only med. Drs and dentists have rights and privilege to admit, treat and manage a patients. So, they're d only doctors in hospital. U shld only bear OD outside a hospital. Optometry is a branch of physics, and is under d headship of an ophthalmologist.

Good, they lack money for it, so u remain hungry. Teeth care is not high on the health care needs of the average nigerian. Call anything you want to satisfy ur ego, the fact is dat dentistry in nigeria is limited to tooth extraction. If not for public health care that pays u for politics rather than ur work input,dentists would be beggars. How many successful dental clinics have survived in edo state? You guys keep on begging to open dental clinics together with optometrists so as to divert the high patient load that an eye clinic commands.If ur profession is so lucrative take up to 100 students in one academic year for 6yrs and see if yiur profession will not crumble naturally. Your eyes will be opened when u cant get a federal govt job, then you will know the definition of hunger. An optometrist can always find employment outside nigeria. Dentistry cannot boast of that.
You lied. Optometrists diagnose and treat in primary and secondary health care settings. Eye care is 75% private practice. How many ophthalmologists practice in govt hospitals ? Ophthalmologists routinely go to private practices owned by optometrists sharing flyers and asking for referral and offering rebate for each referral. Cry from today till tomorow, I'ld better read medical radiography than dentistry. At least those once can survive without govt.Despite the fact that u r "doctors" and are few, yet u spend yrs looking for internship placement space. Dentistry is a hungry profession , simple.
Have u never gone for an outreach? The line for eye care patients would be so long while that for dental care will be empty.In the end the dental students start assisting the medical students in the care of patients because they have nothing to do. Like I said before, a hungry optometry clinic is busier than a the average dental clinic.

evansvenus:
you are already in your specialty...yes you can perform surgeries....eye surgeries only!

An optometrist can't perform ocular surgery in Nigeria, though they can in USA.

sagaciousblog:
in which country bro?? MBBS/BDS are paid under CONMESS while optometry ,pharm et all are paid under COHESS... @Op NMA and JOHESU na mate??

The question remains does a dentist earn more,(not just govt salary) than an optometrist.Is it even possible ?Are they even comparable?It is pitiable that whenever earning power is mentioned people start shouting conmess/conhess dichotomy.Is that all there is to earning power? Can u compare the earning power of an average optometrist to that of a dentist?You can't.

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phantom:
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The science or practice of the diagnosis, treatment, and prevention of disease (in technical use often taken to exclude surgery)

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Medicine (UK English Listeni/ˈmɛdsɨn/, US English Listeni/ˈmɛdɨsɨn/) is the science or practice of the diagnosis, treatment, and prevention of disease.

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OP,the keywords are in black and its only one professional who does all three.

No sir, it is not only one profession that does the three.Optometry does the three fully and to the very extent of their competence independently.

martineinstein:
i know....my broda is both an optometrist and an opthalmologist...he spent almost 15yrs b4 he got to dat level

You were right anyway.You don't have to qualify ur input.Optometrists are DOCTORS. Full practicing doctors of optometry recognized all over the world as such.They are not MDS but ODs.