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Mandeyy:
It's FRSC; it's FRCS. A retinal surgeon just needs only one (in Nigeria, either FMCopth or FWACS). FICS is not important in Nig. FICS is mostly not awarded by exam. It's still d same in dentistry. U need either of d two (FMCDS or FWACS). FICS is also awarded to dentists but not really by election while FFDRCS, FDSRCS, FDSRCPS (fellow in dental surgery of the royal college of physicians & surgeons) are awarded to dentists by exam. However, a consultant may still want to have all at d same time, but it's just having one of them that qualifies a medical doctor or a dentist as a consultant.

The fact is that you will hardly find a retinal surgeon with just fmcopth. true u need just one to be a consultant, but most have both. You can pick up any osn Magazine and flip through. But then the dichotomy may not be sharp in ophthalmology as in neuro where the neurosurgeons perform surgery and not the neurologist.

Mandeyy:
It's FRSC; it's FRCS. A retinal surgeon just needs only one (in Nigeria, either FMCopth or FWACS). FICS is not important in Nig. FICS is mostly not awarded by exam. It's still d same in dentistry. U need either of d two (FMCDS or FWACS). FICS is also awarded to dentists but not really by election while FFDRCS, FDSRCS, FDSRCPS (fellow in dental surgery of the royal college of physicians & surgeons) are awarded to dentists by exam. However, a consultant may still want to have all at d same time, but it's just having one of them that qualifies a medical doctor or a dentist as a consultant.

I am not going to start arguing. You need either fwcs or frcs to be a proper ophthalmic surgeon. Fmcoph makes u a general ophthalmologist who can perform some surgical procedures like cataract and pyerygium excision. You cannot operate a sphenoid dysplasia without a surgical specialization. West Africa combines it. But most ophthalmic surgeons first aquire fmcopth then go for FWACS.

Mandeyy:
He was not sure; he was just guessing. I've carried out epidemiological surveys in my master's degree in medical microbiology, before going to study dentistry. It was from there that i realized that most of these surveys are not represented of d true prevalence & incidence cases of diseases in Nigeria. He was just guessing. As a researcher, u don't guess to arrive at a report. Where's d proof? He has got no evidence or verifiable data from a survey to prove d point.

Oga don't tell me that bullsh*t. His uncertainty was clearly stated. The sociological factors that gave birth to it was admitted. Even at that, the uncertainty is still on the side of increased prevalence for hydrocephalus.

Mandeyy:
Are u in their pockets that u don't see the inflow? U must be blind if u've not noticed those big private dental centres in Nigeria. Ur points are out of point.

U r a blind bat if u fail to note that thriving dental clinics are very few in Nigeria. How many thriving dental clinics do u know Mr seer. All around is evidence that dentistry is not lucrative and u are asking me about their pocket. Can u cover the moon with your hand. The plight of dentistry is common knowledge.

Mandeyy:
There's nothing like FWCOPTH. We have just FWACS, and it's for an ophthalmologist who is also an ophthalmic surgeon.

Yeah my bad. I meant FRCOPTH different from FRSC. In Nigeria there is FMCoph different from FWACS. they are different colleges. For instance I can't be a retinal surgeon with just fmcoph, u must have a fics or FWACS. West Africa has no separate college for general ophthalmologists.

Mandeyy:
Most researches on disease prevalence in Nigeria are hospital-based. Besides, adult cleft lip and palate sufferers feel shy to come out for community-based where accurate prevalence and incidence rates are determined. Also, d writer wrote "even probably higher" cos he was not sure. Hence, in Africa, no accurate statistics exists regarding prevalence and incidence rates of diseases. It has always been guesswork by researchers in Africa.

Oh. You need to read it again. The only bit uncertainty is that it might be higher in Africa, not lower. The statistic of 1.2/1000 was not an uncertain. The probability of deviation lies on the side of probable higher prevalence in Africa, not less. Read again.

Mandeyy:
U don't read at all. That's why i said earlier that u hate facts. According to that report u put here, d writer said that d prevalence of hydrocephalus in "developed countries" is 1.2/1,000 unlike in Africa. So, u don't know d meaning of a developed country. D writer further stated that its prevalence is uncertain here. Nawa for ur lie o!

You hv started the insult again. If I respond in kind you will start sulking.
Please u r a scientist, or so I actually think. Go back and read that report again. It says the figures may even be higher in Africa. I guess u r d one who cannot read. What is more, you are typically calling me a liar for telling u a truth u don't want to hear. Even a documented truth. Funny you. Read the report and tell me who hates fact now.

Mandeyy:
All we're saying is that hydrocephalus cases are rare compared to ameloblastoma in Nigeria. Google also d cleft lip and palate and ameloblastoma surgeries done by oral & maxillofacial surgeons in Lagos University Teaching Hospital (LUTH) from where u picked d hydrocephalus case. I know Profs Mobolanle Ogunlewe. Godwin Arotiba, Wasiu Lanre Adeyeemo (all oral & maxillofacial surgeons) have done countless cases of ameloblastoma, cleft lip and palate surgeries at LUTH.

I left you to studies to compare. The comparison he was making was BTW cleft lip and palate and hydrocephalus. So I sent a study to the effect. I also made other points. But you conveniently ignored that.

homesteady:
You have been so specific concerning Optometry and Dentistry and Neurology and Dentistry. So I want you to be more specific between Neurology and Optometry, which is more lucrative.

Oga I hv given u my answer. Both are lucrative. Both are more lucrative than dentistry.

Mandeyy:
Who told u that lie. Cleft lip and palate surgery is sponsored by an NGO called smile train from America, cos d people mostly suffering from it are poor and cannot affort it. Smile Train works through our oral & maxillofacial surgeons, plastic surgeons and orthodontists in Nigeria. There're two other NGOs set up by our own Drs Seidu Bello and Ngutor (oral & maxillofacial surgeons) who render free surgeries sponsored by philantropic Nigerians. It's a major surgery that cannot be done in a private dental clinic in Nigeria.

If u like jump out of ur screen, if you can't make money from your profession don't disturb people. The fact is that ur defense is centered only around surgery in your field as being lucrative. Then I look around and see no sign of the inflow. Yet u r yapping. I ask again, where are the flourishing dental clinics.

Mandeyy:
If u bring up d dental cases of d USA to explain d dental disease burden in Nigeria, he'll call u a liar, but at d same time he was playing smart by bringing up hydrocephalus case statistics of America to explain its disease burden in Nigeria. What a hypocrisy!

He made the point, I sent another study. Look it up before shouting hypocrisy.

homesteady:
Mr Man, can't you just be straightforward? Reply me based on what I said and not what you feel like saying!

So u now have a remote in your pocket with which to alter my thoughts to fit your purpose. Is my answer not comprehensive enough. Look at it again, the answer you want is there. U dey find transition point abi.

Mandeyy:
I'm every surprised u don't know d difference b/w neurosurgery and neurology. Separation of siamese twins is d work of a neurosurgeon, and most of these cases (hydrocephalus, siamese twin's separation, etc) are rare compared to dental diseases.

Y are u always correcting inconsequential things. I purposely lumped them together because that's not the point am making. Neurology is a medical subspecialty, neurosurgery is a surgical specialty. Just like a cardiologist and a cardiac surgeon, or an ophthalmologist and an ophthalmic surgeon. For e.g, to qualify as an ophthalmologist u need a fwcopth, but to qualify as an ophthalmic surgeon, u need an fwcs. I dunno y u keep giving childish corrections. Do I look like ur junior colleague in dentistry? Na wao

homesteady:
If you see the way most of this optometry graduates run away from working under private clinics, you'd think that they placed a curse on private clinic jobs

Of course. Why will I work in private as an intern. The workload na die plus they won't pay an intern as well as federal government. It's not because there is no money, it's a private sector things:maximize profit. An intern can make what the govt pays interns in a week. The average pay for a post nysc optometry doc in private is 120k. In three months it's increased. Plus ur Outreach programmes. And most don't stay in one employment for long. Opportunities are always there for u. U can refuse to work in one place and yet net up to 200k minimum a month. Ask optometry corpers hw e dey be.

homesteady:
Did you become rich by stalking UNIBEN dental and medical students everyday?
Do you know the girl with the biggest Nyash and boobs in clinical hostel? I'm sure you know, you have also been taking records of it.

If you can not prove to me you have money, then there is no need arguing about your wealth. If I ask my parents for any reasonable amount right now, I'm 100% sure they'd send it, can you do the same?

You are poor so any amount you ask from your parents is poverty-motivated. As for nyash and boobs I know say Dat one na ur specialty. Unfortunately u never get money to fit do anything. Face ur book o. This one u r telling me about sending money, I hope say u no dey codedly ask me to send u money... No try am o.

homesteady:
Okay, let me pretend to agree.
Optometry has more patient base than Neurology/Neurosurgry.
Optometry has more lucrative commodities than Neurology/Neurosurgry
Let me just assume that Neurology has more lucrative procedures than Optometry.

Since Optometry has 2 and Neurology has one, it simply means that Optometry is more lucrative.

What is the fate of Neurosurgeons/Neurosurgery in private practice?

Don't even talk of neuro surgery. Their procedures come regularly. Optometrists and ophthalmologists make referrals majorly to neuros. If obgyn, endocrinology, pediatricz, rheumatologist, cardios are all referring to them, can u imagine hw lucrative it is? Neuro surgery in private practice is also massive. For e.g cerebral adenomas are common. Brain surgeries to contain seizures, epileptic fits, are common. Cerebral hemorrhage, cortical blindness... Most subspecialty have convergence with neuros. And they r extremely few. Neurosurgeons earn a lot. Their procedures are lucrative and patient base is large.

homesteady:
Ermmm, I hope you remember where I stated that both cleft palate and ameloblastoma are not even among the frequent cases seen by Maxillofacial surgeons? Motor Accident patients are always around, or would you also want to say that motor accidents are very rare?

I only picked Hydrocephalus because it was comical and also surprising.

You fool u r calling accidents. Why are ur private clinics not over spilling with trauma pxs. My friend get out from here u r a slowpoke. U r talking like a blind person. I hv visited places in Nigeria. Tell me that place where your patient load is large. U r looking for Lee ways. Procedures and inter specialty referrals give neurology money. Every specialty refer to them. Who refers to u. Imagine your nerve mentioning neurology in the same breath as dentistry.

homesteady:
The only person here that should be put on a suicide watch is definitely you! Your mates are looking for ways to make more cash, and you are sitting and watching out and tracking UNIBEN students.
Let me be careful with what I say to you oh, because you might even know me. I don't want anybody to come and stab me on the road. Yes, you are that psychotic!!

I am richer than ur parents combined. U r a slowpoke. U r talking about money with me,? Go and discuss that with your financially decrepit family and elder brothers. You idiot without respect none of ur useless uncles and lecturers is as well off as I am. I know that u r a product of a man's uncontrollable libido. U slowpoke hv u even seen money. U hv seen money and u r arguing that your impoverished profession is lucrative. Much.

homesteady:
Originbm are you going to pretend that you didn't see this?

I said
1. Optometry has more patient base than dentistry
2. Optometry has a more lucrative commodity base than dentistry.
3.optometry has more lucrative procedures than dentistry.
Minus commodity, neurology has the other two much more than dentistry.
You want me to make a comparison between optometry and neurology.
Ur inference is faulty because optometry is more lucrative than dentistry not just due to patient which is a principal factor , but due to commoditisation and procedures. The sure thing is that both optometry and neurology are far more lucrative than dentistry.

homesteady:
It seems you didn't look at those images I posted, they were sourced from University of Ibadan College of Medicine, which is the research heaven in Nigeria.

I can't engage in some useless argument that won't be Fruitful because someone wants to classify hydrocephalus as common and ameloblastoma as rare.

I showed u my own documented evidence. Again, u r picking only a facet of my submission. But that is what u guys always do. I mentioned many indices and you started orgasming on only one of them. Who is the real mc ignorant now?

homesteady:
Nigga is going Salty!!
But Bros you to, reason it now. How would somebody claim to have a career path and he is stalking the activities of UNIBEN students? This must be some form of a very potent generational curse that you would not progress in life. It's just like after leaving secondary school, you'd still be monitoring the affairs of your juniors.

If you really have a career path like you said, then honestly, you need to go for serious prayers. This is an emergency case.

[quote author= post=64638274]Imagine an important trying to understand what he cannot understand. You can't understand because dentistry has caged ur mind. And I am afraid that people like u become suicidal when they start seeing life outside school for what it is. you start blaming ur village people. Like I said b4 cannot even be dreamt by you.

homesteady:
Nigga is going Salty!!
But Bros you to, reason it now. How would somebody claim to have a career path and he is stalking the activities of UNIBEN students? This must be some form of a very potent generational curse that you would not progress in life. It's just like after leaving secondary school, you'd still be monitoring the affairs of your juniors.

If you really have a career path like you said, then honestly, you need to go for serious prayers. This is an emergency case.

Imagine an important trying to understand what he cannot understand. You can't understand because dentistry has caged ur mind. And I am afraid that people like u become suicidal when they start seeing life outside school for what it is. you start blaming ur village people. Like I said b4 cannot even be dreamt by you.

homesteady:
If you were Serbian your name would have been Brainlessav Morronovich.

Do you even know how to use Google? The images I posted are easily gotten from Google and it is streamlined to Nigeria.

Your evasion of some of my points only points in one direction....

http://www.panafrican-med-journal.com/content/article/2/5/full/

Here the epidemiology of cleft palate was pegged at 0.3/1000 patients.

https://guardian.ng/features/hydrocephalus-ailment-in-children-deadly-but-curable/?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C5078104104

Here the epidemiology of hydrocephalus is 1.2/1000 and probably even higher in Africa.
Please this academic albino, tell me about prevalence again.

homesteady:
Why are you reasoning like an Education in gender studies student? Do you know anything about epidemiology? Don't you know diseases have different spread? I am giving you Statistics for Nigeria and you are countering it with statistics for US. You can as well say Malaria is common in US because it is very common in Nigeria.

http://www.njcponline.com/article.asp?issn=1119-3077;year=2015;volume=18;issue=3;spage=318;epage=322;aulast=Ojo

Read this. U r giving me a spurious write up. U guys are doing cleft palate up and down, yet no one patronized ur practice.

homesteady:
My friend would you keep shut already? So someone that has a career path would be stalking the activities of UNIBEN dental and medical students?
You know of someone that failed out from dentistry and went to pharmacy. You know what UNIBEN students saw in neurology posting last year..... And you have a career path I should dream of? I can only dream for my enemy to have this type of career path....

If u r not a fool u will know that not everyone is ur mate simply because we r on a faceless network. U r stupid if from my writings u do not know already that u r a fool. U think everyone on nairaland is at ur level. U must link dental students with medical to give urself satisfaction. You are a mere dental student, u don't even know the facets of Healthcare, or how to build ur demand. You are a fool who cannot learn till its too late.
I also know about law students and accounting students. If you don't understand you are a dunce.

Mandeyy:
Guy, by ur utterances, it proves to me that u're not cultured and well mannered. Do u just want to tell me that getting a locum job is hard for a dental supernumerary resident (suppose it exists)? Dentistry has nine (9) subspecialties recognized in Nigeria. Residency training depends on facilities for training. Even in medicine, 2 or 3 persons can be taken in a specialty for residency based on training facilities on ground. It's govt's fault that training facilities are not adequate for residency training in both medicine and dentistry.

Dental subspecialties are as follows:
Oral & Maxillofacial Pathology
Oral Medicine
Oral Radiology (But it is not done in Nigeria; It's done abroad; May begin soon here)
Oral & Maxillofacial Surgery
Periodontology (Periodontics)
Paediatric Dentistry (Child Dental Health)
Orthodontics
Prosthodontics
Endodontics
Dental Anesthesiology (But it is not done in Nigeria; It's done abroad; May begin soon here)
General Dentistry


Besides Dentistry is a branch of medicine just like Cardiology, Plastic Surgery, Endocrinology and the rest. That's why i mentioned them as subspecialties. The difference is that Dentistry is studied as a separate course. Moreover, in West African College of Surgeons and National Postgraduate Medical College of Nigeria (NPMCN), it's a faculty just like Cardiology, Plastic Surgery, Endocrinology and the rest. In NPMCN, there is even a faculty of General Dentistry. Wikipedia said Dentistry is the oldest branch of medicine.


Pls, i'm done with u. Enough of this name calling. If u can't respect urself while commenting, pls i'm done with u. I believe u're a kid; otherwise u wouldn't be writing insulting comments here.

I insulted me first, so I responded in kind. I thought you were thick-skinned. You hv been calling me a liar since hv I complained. U hv also returned the favor by calling me a kid. Kk no vex.
To return to your point. How many of those specialties are functional in private practice. How many are lucrative or command patient load. You are not getting something : patient load plus frequency of lucrative procedures plus commodity sales determine the lucrativeness of a profession. If neurology where to depend only on Sismese twin separation, no matter how laudable the procedure, volume of px will render it an unprofitable specialty. So the point is how lucrative are those specialties. They are ordinary dead ends.

homesteady:
If you were Serbian your name would have been Brainlessav Morronovich.

Do you even know how to use Google? The images I posted are easily gotten from Google and it is streamlined to Nigeria.

Your evasion of some of my points only points in one direction....

Please slowpoke, which ur point have I invaded. Your link categorized hydrocephalus as uncommon. I showed u a link saying it's extremely common. Pls have sense. I gave gazillion points y u can't compare dentistry with neurology. I told u that both have more patient base than dentistry. I wouldn't understand ur point. Does dentistry hv the same patient base as optometry? Are you high?

homesteady:
Look, this is 2018, you shouldn't crossover this your Agbero-styled argument pattern into this year. Debate logically with facts and you wouldn't have to be screaming at the top of your voice.

How would you classify Hydrocephalus as a common disease and classify Ameloblastoma as a rare case? Are you freaking kidding me? I haven't even seen anyone with hydrocephalus, except on TV, but I have seen many cases of Ameloblastoma which is quite common in the North. What of Cleft Palate and lip? This are not even among the most frequent cases Maxillofacial surgeons treat.

I guess you have realised your folly, that's why you refused to answer my question on who gets to see more patients between Optometrists and Neurosurgeons.

Are u not foolish. U have never seen hydrocephalus. Ask any uniben student who did neurology rotation in September last year. There were two cases of babies with the condition. I am not turning the thread into a submission for neurology. Neurology cuts across other specialties. Dentistry does not. Dentistry is a struggling profession in the private sector.

homesteady:
Look, this is 2018, you shouldn't crossover this your Agbero-styled argument pattern into this year. Debate logically with facts and you wouldn't have to be screaming at the top of your voice.

How would you classify Hydrocephalus as a common disease and classify Ameloblastoma as a rare case? Are you freaking kidding me? I haven't even seen anyone with hydrocephalus, except on TV, but I have seen many cases of Ameloblastoma which is quite common in the North. What of Cleft Palate and lip? This are not even among the most frequent cases Maxillofacial surgeons treat.

I guess you have realised your folly, that's why you refused to answer my question on who gets to see more patients between Optometrists and Neurosurgeons.

Boy u hv one problem. U think you are smart. You are only smart by half. Optometry has far more patient base than dentistry. Neurology has far more patient base than dentistry. You picked on one disease for ur comparison. Even your comparison is flawed. Look at the link I sent you. How many specialties routinely send pxs to u. U r confused.

homesteady:
Originbm Did you miss this question?

I am not about to give u personal info about myself. U should know that. I hv a career path u can only dream of. So don't get personal.

homesteady:
Originbm Did you miss this question?

Facts aboutHydrocephalus|Hydrocephalusstatistics ...

http://nhfonline.org/facts-about-hydrocephalus.htm

Before pasting nonsense, check out the statistics on hydrocephalus. I don't get my info from Twitter, I get it from professional websites

Mandeyy:
Dentists are even few that one of them will be a supernumerary resident. Supra and supernumerary are not related. Continue with ur stupid jargon. Meanwhile, no medical doctor or dentist who is a supernumerary resident will be allowed to do any work during the working days. Besides, before one becomes a supernumerary resident u must bring a financial evidence that u're financially Ok that it will not disrupt ur residency. Let me tell u: no resident ever has time to do other work except may be after work or on weekends (which is rare). Besides, If there were to be a dental supernumerary resident (although there is none 'cos they are few), a dentist can still do locum jobs in private dental clinics. Even medical doctors that do locum jobs are not supernumerary residents. They are mainly medical officers and the ones that finished NYSC newly, hence they're looking for jobs.

In our colleges of medicine, it's mostly medical doctors that run a master's degree programme and thereafter become lecturers there. Dental lecturers in basic medical science are few cos dentists are few in Nigeria.

I still maintain that no dentist requires a senator's letter to become a resident. It's mostly medical doctors that don't get residency placements now because the slots are few while there are many medical graduates churned out every year. Some still stay up to 3-4 years after primaries to get residency placements. I know cos they (medical doctors) complain about it online. That's why there's a brain drain in Nigeria cos medical doctors are leaving the shores of Nigeria to climes favourable to them. So, residency training is nothing to write home about in Nigeria generally (it's not peculiar to dentistry), but then my point is that dentists are few for the available residency slots for them. However, a time is coming when it'll be saturated just like in medicine, and by then u'll begin to see few slots for many dental graduates. But at the same time, i still doubt such a time will come in the near future cos more hospitals not accredited for dental residency are being accredited for dental residency in Nigeria.

Learn to be cultured in ur analysis. Truth is desirable while falsehood is evil and unsightly.

My friend supra is a colloquial term for supernumerary. Don't tell me nonsense. Don't give me stupid childish corrections again. You are stupendous liar. Of course I know that u not only falsify facts, u choose the truth which favors u most. Dentistry that takes just two resident per specialty. How many specialties do u hv.
This befuddled fellow, weekend locum sustains many doctors. If u were to go supra in Benin where would u cover. Omo go and relax. Supernumerary means that you must show evidence of ability to pay available fees. Must your sponsor feed you? Getting financial statement is nothing. Anybody can give you his. It's like what you do when you are traveling abroad. It's just like getting a guarantor. U can get statement through any means. So don't tell me nonsense. Some just get statement of account purporting to sponsor. The prospective resident tender it as evidence of financial competent but sponsors himself. A dentist will never try that. Where will he cover. Which clinics. Which patient load.
You are the deluded liar. Telling shameless lies and arguing what you know nothing about.