ChybuzzDD:


Why would I leave an Ophthalmologist and visit an Optometrist who is not trained to treat eye diseases ideally?

The major role of an optometrist is to examine and prescribe optical aids, not to prescribe medications

Forget what you do in Nigeria. The country is one where every anomaly is allowed to thrive.

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He said optoms are not trained to treat eye diseases...
Please at least, you are not too dumb to ask google.

Just a few nuggets...
Their are four hierarchies of care in eye care practice.
They include
Refractive
Rehabilitative
Medical
Surgical.

The only one Nigerian optometrists don't do is surgical which incidentally is just about 7% of eye care.

Nobody asks you to visit an optometrist. But those that do are treated with prescription drugs of all classes.
I cant help laughing. Go to eye clinics and exhibit this your ignorance.

LityB:


I am disappointed in you.An optometrist that can't take vital signs.Ordinary pallor,they can't identify.Optometrist can't run a clinic anywhere except a shop where they cut glasses.Do u knw d meaning of clinic?

Vital signs? Haha...
Can you identify ordinary anisocoria
Can you identify RAPD
Can you differentiate btw cornea and sclera
Can you measure simple iop?
Can you identify even the simplest naevus or distinguish pterygium and pingueculum
Can u even clerk an ordinary prebyope...

Your ignorance is in thinking that you know anything. You only know about teeth. Even your professors cannot perform a simple TBUT.
I laugh.

Froshchuksswart:
Originbm for don go back medical or dental school after this thread

God forbid your mouth.
Na so I like poverty to enter dentistry.
Everybody from 40years and above must visit an optometrist.
Till today no thriving dental clinic in Edo state, not just Benin city.
Everything I said has been confirmed.
If Dentistry is lucrative, take more than 25 students.

Froshchuksswart:
Originbm for don go back medical or dental school after this thread

Me, go back to dental school?
Am I mad.
When everything I have been saying has been verified?
Who is still comparing here...
God forbid

DiazDDS:
@Originbm guy you sphew trash
Dentistry is 100times greater than optometry, where do we start from, salary, autonomy, prestige? Or private practice? How much does a contact lens cost?
bro... Optometry is good but please don't compare it to dentistry Walk into a private dental clinic and find out the cost of an implant, brace, rct, crowning and bridging, veeners and invisalign... Dentists only compete with dentists, but optometrists have to compete with themselves and the other 2

Oga dentistry is the poorest medical practice in Nigeria. Even if optometrists compete with 10 other specialties, they will still outgross dentists.
Go around and compare optometry eye clinics with dental clinics. Like I said before even a busy optician will outgross a dental clinic.
I have been in healthcare and right from the rural to highstreet practice in Nigeria, dentistry and optometry is incomparable. Not comparable. Even in hospitals, will you compare the grossing of optometry unit, not the whole eye clinic, mind you, with that of dental clinic?
What is the use of a prestige that derives its life only from referral to another profession. Dentistry will fade into professional darkness but for the patronage of organized medicine. Tell me how dentistry can sustain any amount of professional activism in Nigeria independent of medicine. A person will complain of ocular pain before dental pain. The average Nigerian will manage a toothache, but how many will manage ocular pain or vision loss? How is dentistry more prestigious than optometry? Only students hold this fallacious view because they think living in medical hostel automatically translates to more money.
What autonomy, are you talking about. An optometrist practices to the fullness of his training and competence. And nobody questions him. The only difference between the optometrist and ophthalmologist remains surgery. What percentage of eye care does surgery represent?
Imagine comparing teeth care and eye care. You are babbling, simple because, you are with NMA. Go to lagos, pick the biggest dental clinics, then compare with eye clinics. Go to rural areas organise a dental care programme, and compare with eye care programme. Please stop comparing sleep and death. There is no single advantage that dentistry has over optometry. Not one. And in grossing, please, don't compare both. Salary is not earnings. I know dentists and I know optometrists.

Jamie1111:
@Originbm

how far na?

Is Optometry still lucrative than dentistry?
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What is the demographics you are showing me for? Are they employing more dentists now than before? The document you uploaded just shew the number of dentists. Are you making more money than before. Oga dont call me out if you dont have point. Marshall out your points.

omogbadebo:
Hi all, am also intending to study law via DE at the university of Lagos. I have a Bsc Psychology 2-1 from OAU; MBA Accounting & Finance from OAU as well, ACA (Chartered Accountant), CFE( Certified Fraud Examiner), and CFrA (Certified Forensic Accountant). I was a science student at O'Levels. What subjects should I sit for in the forthcoming WAEC GCE to qualify for direct entry admissions.

Did you later study the law? You should be called to the bar now if you did. Nice one sir.

Mandeyy:
Chai! You won't learn. Go to the general Nairaland section and throw this open and get people's comments. As of 17 years ago, a lecturer would be appointed as professor without Ph.D but it has been stopped now. Those optometry professors who obtained Ph.D after being professor a long time ago, know that it's very essential for their academic excellence. Prof. Ajayi got her master's a long time ago. No lecturer is appointed lecturer 2 with doctor of optometry, even an MBBS graduate. A minimum of two years will elapse for promotion to lecturer 2 from the post of assistant lecturer, and the person must present his or her master's, whether he's an MBBS, BDS, DVM, LL.B or OD. NUC gave the guideline. Throw it open in the education section. I hate blind argument. I'll be posting it on education section to get other people's views.

Lol. You are talking nonsense. There is no other course where you can become a professor without phd in the whole faculty of life sciences except in optometry. So it has never been the norm to become a professor without phd except you are a consultant. No other department in the faculty of life or physical science starts from lecturer 2 except optometry.
Prof Kio till today has no PHD. Go back and read the requirement for being a professor in the directory of NUC. they said they may stop it for ALL medical sciences which includes medical consultants.
I will subsequently get the senior staff list of other departments in life science. Only optometry starts from lecturer2. There is no assistant lecturer cadre. Except you are saying the the faculty handbook designed by the faculty , (not even the department), and approved by the university senate is also lying.
17 years ago, no one could be a prof without PHD, without having a recognized fellowship. What does Prof Ajayi having masters have to do with anything? Is having masters a prerequisite for being a professor?
All old professors in life science had phds. No exceptions. It has always beem a criteria. Optometry's FNCO and FAAO exempted them.
Didn't you see lecturer 1 with only OD. Of all those in lecturer 2, only one has an MPH which is even a terminal degree, not an MSC. Did you see any fellow less than a senior lecturer? Immediately you have FNCO you are promoted to a senior lecturer, irrespective of your prior level.
Look at the list again. Dr Omokhua is far senior to Dr Ebeigbe, but her FNCO pushed her to a senior lecturer immediately. By the way she is a professor now.
Like I said, i will upload the full list of departments for comparison. It is only optometry that does not have the assistant lecturer cadre.
Every body goes for PHD when they want. Prof Osime of surgery in UBTH has a PHD. Many medical doctors jave PHDs.
People are motivated by different things. PhD is intensely research oriented, so it is good and also looks good on a cv.
It was even my anatomy lecturer Dr Ajeneh, an anatomist,
that first told us about the cadres in optometry when i was in 200level. It is common knowledge in uniben and all schools offering optometry. So your arguements here don't change anything. You have been operating on assumptions that feed ur ego through the denigration of others.
I am not interesting in getting more lopsided, uninformed and ignorant input from dentists who are deluded like you. So i am not interested in opening any general section.
Since you have a PHD in doubting the obvious in order to save face, go to uniben, go to the department of optometry and enquire. Ask about this in the university of Ilorin or Bayero university Kano. It is the same. Or ask anyone to investigate for you. Uniben is not that far from Ogun state. But I know you prefer telling stories than verifying the truth.
With your two eyes, you are seeing people in lecturer 2 on the senior staff list and you are still arguing. That list is an instrument of the faculty approved by the university senate. Did optometry department prepare it? You are seeing a person with only OD on lecturer 1 and you are still arguing.
Something is plain and you are arguing. Lecturing is the least lucrative aspect of optometry.
Like I said i will upload that of other departments so we compare.
When you argue with documented evidence, then you cant be helped again. Your delusion is voluntary.

Mandeyy:
I don't want to engage in unnecessary argument. Prof. O.B. Ajayi got her Ph.D in 2015 from Uniben (according to list of full professors in Nigeria published by NUC). She is on page 131. Also. Prof. Eki Oghre bagged a Ph.D in pharmacology too. Google it. As regards those optometry lecturers, you don't even know when they were employed. Some of them might have got their master's now and even Ph.D. So, they were not employed as lecturer 2. When UNN published her faculty of basic medical science manual, some of the lecturers who are medical doctors were in lecturer 2 cadre, but these are medical doctors who started as assistant lecturers four or five years before the publication. Even though MBBS was the only qualification written in the manual as their qualifications, almost all of them have completed their master's but have not been issued their certificates. So, stop saying what you're ignorant of. Those lecturers you posted didn't start from lecturer 2 or you should show me their individual curriculum vitae. Even medical doctors with only MBBS degree don't start from lecturer 2 let alone an optometrist. Go back and gather more information about them, and you'll realize they didn't start from lecturer 2. It's only Ph.D holders, medical and dental consultants that start from lecturer 2 or lecturer 1. Again, those professors of yours you posted their profiles that they became professors with FNCO all had Ph.D even though it was not written on the one you posted. Go to NUC publication, page 131 and see professors of life science, and you'll discover that Prof. Olajire Bosede Ajayi got her Ph.D in 2015.

Look at this one one arguing like a fool. Hahaha. Did prof Ajayi become a Professor in 2015? You argue blindly. Professor Ajayi became a professor more than 17years ago. She merely had PHD in microbiology 4years ago.She became a professor more than 13years before she had her PHD. she has a Consultant in Paediatric Optometry and had been a professor long before going for her PHD. She had a phd AFTER becoming a professor. As a matter of fact Dr George Atuanya's father was her supervisor. she had a phd after the last review of that prospectus which was in 2014. so it was not listed in her qualifications.Those are the list of lecturers and their qualifications.
I should go and gather more information? Lol. Till today Professor KIO has no PHD, why dont you check that. You are a bare-faced jealous and envious liar. I gave you irrefutable evidence and you are arguing stupidly.
Dr George Atuanya, was in 600 level while i was in 100 level. He was employed as a lecturer in 2014 while i was in school. That prospectus was reviewed the year he was employed. Look there he is on Lecturer 2.
Professor Oghre became a professor before having a PHD. She a PHD about a few years ago.
Odjimogho has been made a professor and he has no PHD. Whoever amongst them is going for a PHD is doing that for personal reasons That reason has nothing to do with their professorship. Being a consultant in Optometry qualifies you to become a Professor. No PHD is needed.
Please can you bring any publication or prospectus in which an optometrist has been designated as assistant lecturer not to speak of graduate assistant. Even if you are employed today as an optometrist, you start from lecturer 2.
I was there when Atuanya and Garba where employed. Even the last employment including Dr Okukpon and 4 other lecturers in 2016, i wtnessed it. They all started from lecturer 2. You do not need masters to be employed as a lecturer in optometry.
Dr Omokhua Paul there was a lecturer1 with only OD. he got his masters a few years ago around 2017.
Please stop advertising your ignorance here.
In the same way, being a consultant, you can head the department without a phd. This Prof Ajayi did in 2001-2002 because FNCO is deemed higher than a PHD. like I said before stop advertising your ignorance here.

This is the front page of Uniben Optometry Prospectus.
1. Note that some are professors with only fellowship.
2. Note that the list stops in lecturer 2.
3. Note that those with lecturer 2 have only OD meaning that it is the entry point.
And of course Optometry Consultants start from Lecturer one
If you have an FNCO you start from lecturer one. Even in Kenya, South Africa, its the same thing.
Emina and Asonye actually became profs before getting their PHDs.

You are already labelling me a liar for telling you a truth that burst your bubble. You are arrogant and dissmissive in your ignorance. Obviously you have never left your alma mater, so you dont know about optometry yet you are blabbing thrash. I am in Yenagoa. I have surveyed here. Get in contact with any of your colleagues here, lets go snap pictures and paste here. As if i don't have corp dentists here as friends. I will soon be returning to Edo state. Get in contact with your colleague there lets survey and send pictures here. Lets bury this issue once and for all. Since you are determined to deny glaring truths. Which dentistry are we talking about? The one that had 303 ume applicants in 2016 for Uniben. Oga shut up. Thank God for NMA. Everyday you guys should be lying down for them to march over you in gratitude for their carrying you along. I dare your association to mention any battle you fought and won independent of NMA. You would have been eating sand if not for them. You can also get a Uniben Life Science Prospectus yourself.
The same way i told you that the head of eye clinic in both Bonny Camp and 68 headquarters Yaba, are optometrists and you were arguing.
I hope you know that optometrists and medical doctors have identical entry scales in the military and paramilitary. Soon your jealousy and envy will excite you into useless arguements again.
Your disease is what i call the 'only me, only me syndrome'. " Only dentists are doctors, only dentists did path and pharm, only dentists did clinical psychology, only dentists start from lecturer 2, only dental consultants start from lecturer one " Bunch of attention huggers. Like I said thank God for NMA.

Mandeyy:
I've told you before that you're a liar! You lie a lot. Do you know what's lecturer 2? No discipline starts from lecturer 2 position even medicine and dentistry, let alone optometry. Optometry and other disciplines start from graduate assistantship while medicine and dentistry start from the post of assistant lecturer. NHIS only needs ophthalmologists as heads so as to certify the eye care in that hospital or clinic, not optometrists. Besides, I didn't mention the VC of OAU Ile-Ife in order to show you the number of VCs dentistry has produced. I wanted to let you know that the position of VC is open to every professor from every discipline but the post of provost is for medical doctors and dentists. An optometrist can only be a deputy provost just like anatomists, biochemists, physiologists, etc, but not a Provost. You like turning truth upside down. Nigeria Dental Association is fully functional. A BDS graduate even gets a residency placement easier than an MBBS graduate because more medical doctors are being churned out every year than can be absorbed by the system. I'm in the system. So, I know better. Moreover, I've never seen an optometry lecturer being promoted to professorship with FNCO. All of them I've seen have Ph.D. So, stop lying. Or just show me the resume of an optometry professor with only FNCO, and I'll believe you. Even in America, optometry lecturers must have Ph.D for them to be professors, but it's not the same for medicine and dentistry. Medical and dental lecturers only need to be certified as consultants for them to be professors. Residency for dentistry is recognized all over the world but the reverse is the case for optometry. In fact, in France, optometrists are being trained by opthalmologists, but that same France has dental residency.
I see no reason why you should be lying. Even in America, residents in ENT rotate through oral and maxillofacial surgery, a branch of dentistry. An oral and maxillofacial surgeon also has a rich knowledge of neurology and ophthalmology since he rotates through them in residency and in dental training. Dental students do neurology which the optometry students don't do. What then do you know about neuroscience? Or do you want to tell me that dental students who also do junior and senior postings in neurology together with medical students don't know anything about neuroscience, while optometry students who don't do posting in neurology do know more than dental students in the area of neuroscience. You're just funny! All I see about you is lies. First, you lied that optometry lecturers start lecturing at lecturer 2 level. That one has given you out as a liar. So, all other things you wrote are just lies. Now, you've shifted from Benin city to Bayelsa, because someone just countered your lies with evidence that there are a lot of thriving dental clinics in Edo State. My answer to you about Bayelsa is this: if Kwara that doesn't have Europeans can be so much in need of dentists (according to a Nairalander), how then will it be for Bayelsa where there are foreign multinational companies? Of course, that's where dentistry will be in high demand. Even the neighboring Rivers State is in high need of dentists. That's why Amaechi built a state-of-the-art dental and maxillofacial hospital. So, you're lying.

Not only are you incorrigible, you argue blindly...
OPTOMETRISTS START LECTURING FROM LECTURER 2.GO AND ASK IN UNIBEN. THERE IS NO ASSISTANT LECTURER CADRE IN OPTOMETRY. SO SHUT UP. Graduate assistant in optometryYou are a slowpoke for calling me a liar.Not everbody is a liar like you. Obtain the prospectus for Life Sciences in Uniben and go through it. Even a daft like you can lay your hand on one!
You are not only a liar but a megalomaniac. Only few profs in optometry have phd. Most are professors with fellowship. Everything you say here shows me that you know nothing and yet you want to claim dominance! Its not difficult to get a life science Uniben prospectus. These things are there. So shut your fat mouth!
You do posting in neurology...wow... Clap for yourself.... Just like medical students do rotation in ophthalmology and yet cant do a simple glaucoma work up. My friend shut up. Medical students do posting in ophthalmology and yet cannot manage a patient with unilateral aphakia. Who are you deceiving with your posting. What percentage of your training period as a dentist was spent on neurosciences. As if you know anything in neuroanatomy or neuropathology. Come and explain why unilateral optic nerve atrophy will lead to an contralateral efferent defect or why a spheningioma will lead to an external and internal ophthalmoplegia.You can spew thrash because this is a faceless network. What is giving you the pride of knowledge to confront an optometrist who spent 6+ years on the eye and vision. Do you know what vision is at all? Because you do Surgery? There are non physician eye surgeons recognized by the WHO. So surgery is not the be all of health care. Those non-physician surgeons are still classified lower than optometrists according to WHO. If you need reference i will provide it. Not to talk of dentistry. If i give you an ophthalmic case file, you wont even understand anything there. So what is the source of your arguement? Your profession is not viable in private practice.
Oga, i dont believe in conjectures. You are a liar. I am in Yenagoa. Ask your colleagues to name one. I have named one eye clinic owned by a relatively young optometrist. Maybe we will start taking pictures cause i hate liars and obviously you are one.
Which thriving dental clinic is in Edo state? Which is it? Tell your lie let me see. When I was in Edo state I challenged you to name one. You couldn't. Edo is concluded. There is none there. I am in Yenogoa now. I have been here for a year. I challenge you to name one. Even your corpers here are dying from lack of avenue for private practice. Without salary they are on their own. They know this truth.
You are now referencing foreign countries. You are calling France. Every country wih their particularities. Not quite long ago i sent you a link for the fact that in Ireland, a dentist was improsoned for holding himself out as a doctor. In Pakistan, dentistry is a 4yr course. You called France. Why don't you talk of Canada, Newzealand, USA, Australia. Lol. Dentistry... Oga go and thank NMA. Who knows Nigerian Dental Association, outside taking money to put their name on toothpaste. Please keep quiet. The poorest medical course is dentistry.

Mandeyy:
An optometrist licensing a general physician before he can open an eye clinic? You're just a liar! Anybody can open a hospital let alone an eye clinic. And it's even the job of the Department of Hospital Services, Ministry of Health. And that department must be headed either by a medical doctor or a dentist and not even an optometrist. The post of a Vice Chancellor is for every professor in every discipline. The highest position an optometrist can attain in the college of medicine is the post of a deputy provost, but a dentist can be the provost. The current Vice Chancellor of OAU, Ile-Ife was once the Provost of College of Medicine, OAU, before he became the VC. His name is Prof. Eyitope Ogunbodede, a professor of public health dentistry.

Residency in optometry is just a waste of time. It makes no sense. But in dentistry, a dentist will undergo a residency of minimum of 6 years to become an oral and maxillofacial surgeon who is highly needed for emergency surgical operations of the orofacial region during accident. This saves life. A lawyer was praising Prof. Ozoemene Obuekwe on Facebook on how God used him to save her life when she had an accident and injured her skull, face and jaw, and that she was in coma too. Prof. Obuekwe is a maxillofacial surgeon at Uniben teaching hospital. Also, a minimum of six years is needed in residency to be an oral pathologist whose job is to diagnose cancers in the oral and maxillofacial region, a very important branch of dentistry that saves cancer patients if diagnosed on time. Also, a minimum of 6 years is needed to specialize in orthodontics, periodontology, oral and maxillofacial radiology, prosthodontics, etc. All these areas are very complex. That America and other European countries have different bodies is a non-issue. We practise presidential, while some countries practise parliamentary system. Does that make us less of a country? Every country chooses the system that suits it.

Even in practice, you don't make more than a dentist. Ophthalmologists are there to take some of your jobs. They don't do surgery alone. They do your job too. Na Naija we dey. And people feel comfortable with opthalmologists more than optometrists. But dentistry is for dentists alone. Even in America, dentists make more than optometrists and are highly respected more than optometrists because some dentists can do surgical operations such as maxillofacial surgeries that are life-saving. Every course is good, but dentistry is higher in medical hierarchy than optometry the world over.

People like you just come on line to blab nonsense. Obviously you don't know the difference between venture and licensing. An eye clinic will not function without the operating license of either an optometrist or an ophthalmologist.
1. No Nhis carrier will reimburse any clinic operating an eye department without an optometrist or ophthalmologist. You are simply failing to recognize that mbbs is not a doctor of all. The host of proceedures under eye care can only be done only by either an optometrist or ophthalmologist. And surgey makes up only a little aspectof eye care.
I interned in FMC yenagoa. The eye department is on top of the dental clinic. The patient turn out was so low that sometimes we would wonder how much igr they made for the hospital.
You are giving me the name of a vice chancellor. I gave you two for optometry. Prof Nnadozie is the current vc of Abia state university. He is an optometrist. Prof Sheni Sheni is the present vc of plateau staye univetsity. He is an optometrist. The current chairman of house committee on health is an optometrist.
Every sparse entitlement you enjoy in the medical professionis simply because you are with NMA.
You speaking of a lawyer praising a dentist for saving his life... How low can you get. He did something he was trained for. Did he do something out of the ordinary. When i diagnose a patient with hypertensive retinopathy or DED, do i start looking for nairaland to broadcast it. People do their jobs and keep shut. If he is a genuis let him come and assess or diagnose a patient with accomodative infacility or differentiate between the microvascular presentation in AION and PION. In my field he is a novice, so what's my concern. If he had developed a system for assessing corneal surface abnormalities, i would be clapping for him. If he gets his kick from clinician-worshipping,thats his own. I have had patients kneel down to thank me for the success of an intervention. Especially in outreaches. Some very elderly people. That is the nature of health care. Clinician-worshipping is obviously your thing. Optometrists routinely diagnose vision and life threatening conditions. You are obviously ignorant of the fact that varous systemic conditions like hyperlipidemias,neuropathologies,vasculopathies, hiv etc and pharmacotoxic pathologies likr chloroquine retinopathy etc manifest in the eyes first and so the optometrist first detects them. Go and check again. I gave a link in a prior chat of an optometrist in uk imprisoned for failure to detect retrobulbar markers of an incipient neuroglioma. Oga face your teeth. Stop saying what you don't know.
Optometrists with OD start from lecturer 2 in lecturing job just like MBBS holders. In optometry, a residency is higher than a Phd just like in medicine. So you can be a professor with FNCO.
Even an optician lab will gross more income than a dental clinic. In Bayelsa here, i have gone around. No single reputable thriving dental clinic.When the dentists in
the Fmc are doing nothing how will the private survive. The turn out is so low that they dont take dentistry internship applicants there.
Haha, you say ophthalmologists do my jobs too. Our areas of influence overlap. And again how many are they, to compare with the patients needing eye care. Many Optometrists are still richer. Go and survey. Everyone above 40 will need a presbyopic correction, except he is a prior wearer of lenses. Refraction is the money machine in eye practice. And optometrists reign supreme there. The two largest eye clinics in Yenagoa are owned by optometrists. You said patients feel more comfortable with ophthalmologists... and yet optometrists keep having larger eye care centers and patient base...
FNCO is a 5-6yr residency programme depending on the specialty. Dont call ophthalmologists here. Many optometrists are richer than optometrists. The largest eye clinics in Nigeria are owned by optometrists. How do u make money in dentistry? Your patient base is low, u have no commodity. You make money from consultation and proceedure. Same with optometry. Name one thriving dental clinic here in Yenagoa. Forget about Benin City. The only one with even the semblance of a life is in a multispecialty setting.
Look at the person who cannot differentiate between esotropia and exotropia telling me that residency in optometry makes no sense. You think medical practice is all about invasive procedures. Are you the one who assesses paediatric binocular visual anomalies,or does contact lens proceedures for patients with corneal ecstasias like keratoconus. Perhaps you are the one who assesses patients with macular problems for visual rehabilitation proceedures. Your ignorance is amazing. What percentage of eye care does surgical proceedures represent. Go to any dental clinic in Yenagoa, then go and check out Jamiks Eye clinic at Ekeki. Even an optician will do better than a dentist.
What is the medical hierarchy. In Usa, they are different bodies with exact same years for the programmes.So dont talk thrash. Separate from medicine and lets see what will happen to your profession.The only bargaining power you have is being in Nma. Your producing a provost or being on conmess. If you fail to get a residency placement after your BDS, then you will know what you got yourself into. Why dont we hear of Nigerian Dental Association? You have lost your voice, always hiding behind Nma.
You cannot differentiate between cornea and sclera, i am sure of that, and yet you are asking the reason for optometry residency.
Lol. "You practice presidential, others practice parliamentary..." Yet you are the first to reference the fact that in some climes optometry is unregulated. Thank God you have answered yourself.
Throughout your training you wont do quarter of what an optometrist does in Neurosciences. Talk about cleaning the teeth.Thats your area. Dont dabble into eye care.
If it comes to income, please dont compare optometry and dentistry.

Izzykid:
wow!!!! so cool
I've gone through this thread from 1 to this present 10
one particular origbim cracked me up real bad ���
Optometry �. all his arguments were based on how lucrative and how popular....Baba Google 360smiles dental clinic
You say its only surgery that we can boast of
you don't know about Orthodontist
Madeyy, homesteady �����. I respect you guys mehn your points were solid and not fuelled by hatred
at some point origbim went personal

Colleagues shielding themselves from an uncomfortable truth. The things i said are not too far off to be determined. Organise a multi-disciplinary outreach, then compare the patient base of both. Don't twist something glaringly transparent.

LityB:
Whoever must have compared optometry with dentistry, that person must be a novice,a joker and nonentity.

First, any insult you pass on dentist,same goes to general physician.Medicine and Dentistry are the same.There is no seniority in both hence they earn the same salary,they belong to the same body and council, they sit for the same MB exams except one or two courses excluded for general Medicine.Am a part three Dentistry student and l still wonder and surprised that some will have to say dentistry is cheap and irrelevant.
honestly, not all specialties are hot cakes in medicine.opthalmology, ent,plastic surgery, git are also in category of dentistry. looking at these specialties,they are not as hot as o and g,general surgery,internal medicine, orthopedics etc.
Optometry is not in any way compared to Dentistry including physiotherapy. They are also professional courses.If you insult Dentistry, you have insulted Medicine.Why would someone now come and say Dentistry is cheap? Optometrist is technology degree,not even pure health science. Physiotherapy is an allied health science.Once you are in medical and dental school,you are automatically a medical doctor immediately you graduate.For instance,the former HOD clinical science in Oau was a dentist and presently he is the VC of Oau.Can an optometrist or physiotherapist rise to that level?

Dentistry is 7years and same to medicine.They earn the same salaries and belong to the same BMA ,mdcn,fwacs etc.lf you guys say dentistry is not as prolific or marketable as medicine,l agree and that goes to other specialties in medicine (ENT,oncology, neurosurgery, plastic )

l think only a joker as l earlier said would read this and still argue or compare a technologist and therapist with dentist.

And there they go.
First off in case you dont know, the Vice chancellor of Abia state university is an optometrist. Before becoming the Vice Chancellor he was the deputy provost of the College of Medicine. .The Vice chancellor of Plateau state university is an optometrist. Every thing u hv mentioned here is simply because you are in bed with NMA. Are you a medical doctor? You are not! Stop hugging degrees. Be proud of what you are. You are just a dentist. Only a fool will leave optometry programme for dentistry.
Of course you wouldnt know that Optometry have their own residency programmes leading to the award of FNCO with specialties in Visual Rehabilitation, Contact Lens,Pediatrics.
You are blabbing that optometry is a technological course. Yet i know u obviously cannot differentiate between the surgical and anatomical limbus of the cornea. With your degree you cannot differentiate between hyperemia from ACG and that from Anterior uveitis.
Look up the Benchmark Academic standard for optometry and stop saying what you dont know. Its on net.
The last time i checked medicine is yr and 9months in Ilorin and 6yrs in most schools.
I won't go back to arguements i hv done here before. In public practice the advantage dentistry enjoys because of Medicine's support is more than wiped out by optometry's dominance in private practice. In the USA dentistry and medicine are not under same bodies. Can you please substantiate your claims without mentioning medicine. A 300 level student leaving for dentistry is a big fool. What is dentistry's cut off mark in schools. Is dentistry a competitive course? U keep jumping on Medicine's back to prove any little point. If you are truly relevant, leave nma and see whether you wont die from hunger.
Medicine and dentistry are not the same.They are not equivalent degrees. They only happen to be politically under the same association in Nigeria. In America they are not.
Even a general physician cannot operate an eye clinic without the license of an optometrist or ophthalmologist. In case its difficult, check google and see who an optometrist is.

GalaticHorde:
well, you just made my point, optometry had a more superior and academic origin, that was the only point i was trying to make there, and that origin isn't something to downplay rather something to celebrate, though not in my Nigeria of misinformation and miseducation, only in a backward country like ours would we rate a mostly professional discipline (medicine) over a mostly research discipline (physics)

Kk.

GalaticHorde:
he's right in one sense, the progenitors of optometry were physicists

Lol... And the progenitors of surgery were barbers. Whats the relationship? Or do we still define surgery with reference to barbing? Context, my dear,context.

clefstone:
This is not exactly true. Optometrist diagnose and manage refractive error. They are more like physicist than biologists

What's this one saying... Use google at least.

BlackPantherCri:


Walahi, it's unbelievable.

He had one make shift office with all the glasses and letters and mirror and stuff . He was changing lenses samples and asking me to read the letters and I kept saying it wasn't clear. then he brought out cylindrical lenses and added to the lenses on my face and voila! Life became clearer. He now said madam, you have astigmatism in one eye, so your lenses will not be the same then wrote on paper and gave another mallam to take inside Lagos island for them to cut the lenses.

He charged me 300 naira back then .

Everything is possible. Mallams even extract cataract better than ophthalmologists in many cases.

The lady looks older in the 2016 pic than the guy. The guy looks younger.

ultron12345:
be deceiving yourself....... there's nothing an optometrist knows that an ophthalmologist doesn't. Better direct your energy at the road-side aboki who is gradually replacing you eye glass cutters. In many European countries, optometry is an unregulated profession, it is learnt by apprenticeship under an ophthalmologist, example is in Italy. It's not doctors fault your childhood dreams to become a medical doctor were crushed by jamb. If you don't like the fact that you as an optometrist is and will always be inferior to the ophthalmologist, then go and jump into the lagoon..

if you r not stupid you will know that ophthalmologists can't compare to optometrists when it comes to refraction. Diagnosis and treatment, the doctor of optometry also does that, plus the host of eye care procedures in ophthalmic care. You are obviously an ignorant student who may not even know the difference between cornea and sclera, coming here to vomit thrash.That's how one of you was querying retinal detachment for a patient with 6/6 vision. Don't even talk when an optometrist is talking in eye care if it's just MBBS u HV. u r not an eye doctor, u r a malaria and typhoid doctor. I r too stupid to notice the obvious fact that as far as ophthalmic practice is concerned, with ur MBBS, u r undereducated and underqualifief to handle any ophthalmic case . Ask ur colleagues who go for outreach who the eye doctor is. they can't even diagnose simple astigmatism or hyperopia. Mumu. U r coming here to vomit thrash.

ultron12345:
it is you and your fellow eye glass cutters that are fools. How dare you call MBBS ordinary, is it doctors fault you could not pass jamb well? so it's only cataract surgery ophthamologists perform, that shows how daft you are. Visit any teaching hospital and see ophthalmologists work wonders.

you idiotic swollen fool, visit an optometry clinic and see what an optometrist does. you fool what did your MBBS teach u about the eyes. y don't u start treating ophthalmic patients with your malaria -treating license. what do u know about the eyes to come here and vomit thrash, you slowpoke. wait till u go to school for another 6 yes before talking to an optometrist. Without fwcs, what is ur Mbbs worth...u r a doctor of everything, besotted slowpoke...u idiot what do u know an optometrists does...visit an eye clinic...your MBBS is not ordinary abi, in the field of eye care it is very ordinary, or can u handle an ophthalmic patient? slowpoke...if it is not ordinary, go and use it to cover any eye clinic...fool

sotall:
My brilliant friend who read Optometry in the University couldn't get a job anywhere, he now hawks eye glasses on the street. He has been doing this for like 10 years now and can't remember anything Opto not talk talk about metry again

Dangote of ignorance... clap for yourself. now go and apologize to ur family whom you have thoroughly disgraced here.

Kelamma:
Thunder fire you there! Why will people not be getting blind anyhow when people no dey chop better food wey get nutrients?
The condition you and your Oga has reduced Nigerians to! Even blindness has increased...no be me talk this one...na you take your mouth talk am.

The painful thing is that good things like electricity,good roads, affordable housing, well equipped hospitals aren't increasing o.

It is hunger,death,hatred,division, hardship, religious intolerance, lying and now blindness that have increased since the government of change came on-board.

LOL omo y u dey vex nah

ultron12345:
why won't there be high rate of blindness when optometrists refuse to do what they were trained for, rather, they want to do the work of opthamologists. Only in Nigeria you'll see optometrist carrying out surgery. Silly people, it shall not be well with JOHESU.

Are u not daft? what percentage of eye care does surgery represent. Do u know how many procedures you have in eye care...How many surgical procedures aside of cataract and pterygium excision do ophthalmologists perform in Nigeria? Who provides the bulk of ocular treatment in Nigeria. Can an ordinary MBBS holder touch an eye...bunch of fools

lightparadox:
Are the Optometrists properly trained and equipped to tackle the problem?

properly trained? u must be better trained then I suppose

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I hv replied. U can check it. Cheers

dame134:


Thanks bro. However, I sent you a PM already, but I guess your yet to open the message in your mail box.

Can u inbox me in Originbm2016@gmail.com. My inbox here is giving me a hard time trying to assess it.

dame134:


Hello Bro, how you doing today? Just by Going through posts, I can see you have a vast knowledge on the subject topic as a student, and perhaps by now, you could be already inducted into the optometrists and dispensing optician regulation Board of Nigeria. Well, there's a vital detail that caught my attention in your post - it appears you have conducted a comprehensive survey on private eye clinics in Benin City, and if by extension, Edo State as a whole. So this brings me to how I think you can help me out of a little dilemma I am in, right now. I am trying to help a final year optometry student who was asked to get a cross-sectional survey of optometric practices in Edo State. As a result, the person in question needs to get a detailed list of the number of registered private eye clinics in Edo State. This has proved difficult, because the list I have been able to extract from ODORBN and other online sources do not exceed 23. And the said supervisor wants a detailed list totaling about 200. Can you give any credible advise on how to get the said list? Thank You

No problem at all. Just inbox let's chat.

Mandeyy:
Neurology needs either FMCP or FWACP or both.

Yes. College of physicians. So they don't manage surgically. Neurosurgeons do so.

Mandeyy:
Even neurosurgeons need either of d two in Nigeria (FMCS or FWACS).

Yeah but the point is that while neurologists manage medically, neurosurgeons manage with surgery. These are asides by the way.