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 Health › Re: Pastor Tackles Lagos Hospital For Removing Wife’s Womb (pic) by originbm: 12:16pm On Jan 08, 2017 |
Dimaya:He never said medical doctors...he said doctors.optometrists are doctors.or are they not? |
| Education › Re: 5 Reasons Why You Should Not Study Law In Nigeria by originbm: 1:28pm On Oct 18, 2016 |
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| Health › Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by originbm: 9:14am On Oct 11, 2016 |
skelewu74:And M.Ds are not university made doctors? Maybe u are made by the road side.Optometry in that usa is a 4yr post-graduate program just like Medicine.In the end all your high fallutin claim to the title doctor is because you can diagnose and treat independently...so can an Optometrist. An Optometrist is more than medically competent to handle any ocular condition within his jurisdiction independently.In that United States Optometrists perform surgery.What is illegal is quack general practitioners who know nothing about eye care dabbling into ophthalmic services.What is illegal is nitwits coming to a social media to spread falsehood.AN OPTOMETRIST IS AN EYE DOCTOR. The Optometrist "doctors".He diagnoses and treats both with drugs and non-drug agents.He rehabilitates, refracts and refers when necessary,co-manages and counsels when needed.And all these is done independently. He doesnt need any input from any medical doctor.He can be sued for misdiagnosis and mistakes in his capacity as a doctor.The Optometrist is more medically competent than any medical doctor to handle any ocular condition with the exception of the ophthalmologist.So in the field of eye care all other mbbs holders are not doctors since they are medically incompetent following ur analogy.Or can you yourself "doctor" in the field of Eyecare and Vision care? If you dont know who an optometrist is ask around. |
| Health › Re: Glaucoma Will Cause Blindness In 11.2m People By 2020 – Optometrist by originbm: 1:49pm On Sep 28, 2016 |
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| Health › Re: Glaucoma Will Cause Blindness In 11.2m People By 2020 – Optometrist by originbm: 1:48pm On Sep 28, 2016 |
ACM10:A moronic input again... An optometrist can 1.Independently diagnose 2.indpendently prescribe drugs 3.Independently treat with other modalities 4.Independently prescribe non pharmacological agents 5.Operate a full clinic. Finishes a 6yr course of 275+ credit loads with a minimum of credit pass for all course,inclufing pathology.pharmacology, epidemiology, neuropathology, ocular pathology, public health, paediatric optometry etc. Fail ONE clinical course and repeat a yr. If he is not qualified to be called a doctor who is? The average bsc holder accumulates an average of 160 credits.... Go and do your honework.Then come and talk again.. |
| Health › Re: Glaucoma Will Cause Blindness In 11.2m People By 2020 – Optometrist by originbm: 1:36pm On Sep 28, 2016 |
Cogent:This guy cannot be an ophthalmologist...After 4yrs of residency and he still speaks like this...book then cannot cure ignorance if its true. |
| Health › Re: Glaucoma Will Cause Blindness In 11.2m People By 2020 – Optometrist by originbm: 1:31pm On Sep 28, 2016 |
ACM10:Now ACM or whatever you call yourself who are to come here and seek to compare your ignorant self with an optometrist in eye care.What do you know about eye care.Can u identify or differentiate between type1 or type 2 anomalous retinal correspondence? Can u differentiate btw symyptoms of a neuropathy and maculopathy...glaucoma detection is one of d cheapest diagnosis an optometrist can make...can u interprete a visual field result in a glaucoma work up? u think eye care is the 2 months rotation u do in ur opthalmology posting in ur mbbs final yr.U want to challenge someone who spent 6yrs studying vision and the eyes to a duel in ophthalmic care. Can u even handle a CRAO emergency? Can u detect an abnormal ophthalmic nerve head.Except u r an ophthalmologist, dont even talk about the eye where an optometrist is present.you are simply not qualified to do that.Can u differentiate between a mopic disc and a glauconatous disc using indirect ophthalmoscopy? And u come here to spew thrash...since you are a novice in eye care then maybe I shouldnt call u a doctor until you dpecialize in ophthalmology...keep ur arrogance and bring out wen u deal with other health care practitioners if they take it from you...but when you come to ophthalmic care, keep shut. |
| Health › Re: Glaucoma Will Cause Blindness In 11.2m People By 2020 – Optometrist by originbm: 1:07pm On Sep 28, 2016 |
ACM10:A moronic input from a dense brain. An optometrist cannot diagnose glaucoma?Use google. Or better still ask educated people.An optometrist cannot pontificate on the epidemiology of glaucoma?...It was an optometrist that gave the tv presentation for Glaucoma in edo state for 2016.If you dont know things, go read up in stead of blabbing nonsense.An optometrist is more than competent to diagnose any kind of glaucoma, treat and refer if a referral is needed.Especially in cases where proceedures like trabeculoplasty or iridectomy may save vision. |
| Education › Re: NUC Approves Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree by originbm: 10:26pm On Sep 22, 2016*. Modified: 10:44pm On Sep 22, 2016 |
Alhaji1970:a Are you at all educated?- At least you can use d net to find out who a DOCTOR OF OPTOMETRY (O.D) is . So medical specialists recommend glasses and optometrists dispense them? No wonder our health system is in shambles; when a supposedly educated medical personnel who should be a reference source to the uninformed is devoid of information.And what is more? Clueless cupboard scientists are hitting the like button, endorsing the absurdly fallacious post. Mr Alhaji for ur info, Doctors of Optometry are independent primary eye care practitioners licenced to diagnose, treat(both with drugs and non pharmacological agents), refract, carry out visual rehabilitation and orthoptics, perform visual training and refer when necessary whether to a neurologist, ophthalmologist or gp. All these involve a battalion of clinical proceedures in case you dont know. Dispensing optical aids is d job of the optician who is trained in dat special field.Ophthalmologists and Optometrists investigate and write the prescriptions which the dispensing optician interpretes and dispense.In fact in the field of refraction, the optometrist reigns supreme. That 'independent' means that the Doctor of Optometry can provide the full spectrum of ophthalmic care from case history, through diagnosis, to case analysis,to treatment and referral without any supervening input i.e. they can do this autonomously.At least u can ask google...or cant u? 3 Likes |
| NYSC › Re: Why Medical Doctor Corpers Are Paid Higher In Service(nysc) by originbm: 10:54pm On Aug 05, 2016 |
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| NYSC › Re: Why Medical Doctor Corpers Are Paid Higher In Service(nysc) by originbm: 10:37pm On Aug 05, 2016 |
Drdonzeez:Ad hominem...u r d half-baked liar always spreading professional lies on nairaland...u feed ur ego with fantastic tales and retreat within a wall of epithet-trading when confronted...making spurious submissions ...chipping off the visage of other professions to bolster your maggot-ridden sense of self worth....peddle ur inane comments in a beer palour....but when in a public forum, act like u know wat being a doctor entails.I am not suprised at ur complexopathy...only someone with low self esteem and an obssessive urge to assert his twisted sense of self-worth will append a 'dr' to his moniker on a social media....like I said before, get over yourself. 5 Likes |
| NYSC › Re: Why Medical Doctor Corpers Are Paid Higher In Service(nysc) by originbm: 10:12pm On Aug 05, 2016 |
Drdonzeez:There they go again....medicine is a 6yr course, same as optometry and pharmacy in uniben...if u spend 8 yrs in ur school , change school.in usa, medicine, optometry, dentistry and pharmacy are graduate programmes of 4yrs each.get over yourself and stop this bigger mercedes syndrome.... 2 Likes |
| NYSC › Re: Why Medical Doctor Corpers Are Paid Higher In Service(nysc) by originbm: 10:04pm On Aug 05, 2016*. Modified: 10:28pm On Aug 05, 2016 |
jubebaister:A moronic input...So u think medicine is as difficult as optometry? I can point people that failed out from optometry school in uniben but topped their class when they entered medicine...I bet u hv never picked up an optometry syllabus...I wonder where these hillybillies get their information from..go to uniben and ask...a failed mefical student is only mad trying to attempt optometry...he want die?...go and ask ur resident ophthalmologist what they passs through...with the exception of microsurgery, (and even that microsurgery is done totally albeit didactically by optometry)their curriculum and optometry curriculum are same...and they dont even delve into physiological optics series... And in case u dont know, optometry us a full six (6) yrs programme with over 280+ solid credit load to be accumulated within that short period.... 2 Likes |
| Career › Re: Most Ridiculed And Rubbished Professions In Nigeria by originbm: 7:52am On Jul 22, 2016 |
Lawyers and pastors are d only professionals who own private jet in Nigeria.And how come most people in house of assembly, national assembly and governors are lawyers?Law is d only profession that has an arm of govt fully dedicated to it.The beginning may be tough but the ceiling is limitless.You cant compare a medical consultant with a SAN. By d way op, did a barrister take ur girlfriend or spouse, jilt you , or oppress you? |
| Politics › Re: US Cancels Three Reps’ Visas Over Sex Scandal, Dogara Orders Probe by originbm: 7:02pm On Jun 17, 2016 |
DrinkWater10:No problems.you can |
| Health › Re: Difference Between Optometry, Opticianry And Ophthalmology In Nigeria by originbm: 7:33am On Jun 03, 2016 |
Nice one. |
| Education › Re: 5 Reasons Girls Avoid Engineering Courses by originbm: 1:54am On Apr 20, 2016 |
Women thrive around situations that nurture relationships.They are not machine organisms like men.Building tall buildings don't matter as much to women as ascertaining how the next person feels.Women are not obsessed with expressing power and achievement through machine-based constructions;they are more attracted by courses that promote human interaction...that's why they own nursing and the communication disciplines. Engineering is an emotionally dry discipline that appeals essentially to the macho in man.It is wrong to conclude that women don't go into it because of a deficiency in intellect.When u r wired in a particular way,some things come easier to you.A woman is not wired to relate to machines like a man,just like men lack the patience to intuit the wants of a new born baby, like a woman would. THEREFORE TO EACH HIS OR HER OWN. |
| Career › Re: How Lucrative Is OPTOMETRY by originbm: 12:40am On Apr 11, 2016 |
Drdonzeez:Like one nairalander said belle no fit worry cow make e slim reach goat... No matter how bad it is an optometry clinic in naija is always more lucrative than a dental clinic of comparable stature. Don't tell me about business.Optometry makes money both from consultation, commodity and procedures.Patient Inflow determines the amount of money u make through consultation and commodity sales.If people don't patronize u how do u sell ur cards?And commodity sale is very low in dental practice.Only in proceedure can u guys make some money.Then tell me how many proceedures the average dental clinic performs aside of tooth extraction and occasional filling?The only one that even had a little level of activity located at Costain area in Benin is in combination with an optometry clinic. By all means pursue the good life.Thats every wise man's dream.To each his or her own. 1 Like |
| Career › Re: How Lucrative Is OPTOMETRY by originbm: 10:13pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
Drdonzeez:Let's take this bit by bit. The cost of setting up a clinic does not matter provided that the turnover rate is huge. Standard eye clinics are equally capital intensive projects. The problem with setting up dental clinic is not the cost...it is the probability of recouping returns on the investment.With all the awoofs u get from govt,u guys can afford private clinics... Let's put the question hypothetically... If u invest 10 million naira in a dental clinic,and 10 million naira in an optometry clinic in say any Nigerian city ,which do u think will return your investment much faster...do I really need to spell it out? Optometry clinics thrive even in small towns where dentistry will not dream of thriving... The govt is a big spender,a real uncle Sam.The ability to extract money from govt is not a function of input and output. It is a function of politics.Politics decides who gets what, when and how.Other pressure groups in the health care discovered this immutable truth of Harold Lasswell only too late. The public health system in Nigeria is a cesspool of professional inefficiency...it is not a standard to hold to in an argument of this nature... And of course u wouldn't know that optometrists in USA perform surgeries. Are u going to compare the salary of any dental consultant with the income of a high brow optometric entrepreneur? Are u going to compare the grossing of any dentist with that of unique eye care? Ol boy na wao... Again eye care is not dominated by the public sector...The eye care is a unique system of health care unlike other specialties...In most cities over 75% of eye care is provided by private clinics. Like u said no medical course is bad...or put in another way:to each his own. Hw about we start implementing ur wonderful idea by refraining from mudslinging other professions in a public forum? 1 Like |
| Career › Re: How Lucrative Is OPTOMETRY by originbm: 6:49pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
[quote author=3greatnations post=44572617][/quote]So ophthalmology is more lucrative than dentistry but not optometry... Haha...some optician's glazing labs are even busier than a dental clinic not to talk of an optometry clinic... In Benin city for instance,which dental clinic has survived? I ask again which? Don't come here speaking thrash...u think DAT receiving lectures in medical complex will make you an automatic millionaire... In Uniben I guess u don't know how much optometry dept makes for the school every year? U r talking of ophthalmology...with the exception of CE and maybe Pter Exc. which other procedure can an optometrist not perform...And how much comes from those surgical procedures here in Nigeria... Where do u think money in eye care comes from.. This guy go and sleep,face ur teeth and stop saying things that are older than u.... 1 Like |
| Career › Re: How Lucrative Is OPTOMETRY by originbm: 6:34pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
Drdonzeez:Let me give u a little info Mr... Of all the forms of practice in optometry,public practice is the least emphasized all over the world...from Canada to Australia to Britain. I HV told u DAT in presenting ur argument u must differentiate between the fallouts of professional politics and clinical realities. If Nigeria's oil drys up 2moro,dentistry will fade out faster than fake jeans...hw on earth can someone compare optometry with dentistry in lucrativeness in Nigeria... But of course it easier to insult a lady than to reason rationally Dentistry is benefitting from Nigeria's twisted version of health care... Don't ever confuse privilege with value...What they HV in the public system where anything goes is privilege...in the private sector where real value counts,they are the poorest health professionals .. . Even ur board knows DAT.They respect themselves and admit only 25 in a class knowing that they would be creating beggars if they release more dentists than the public service can accommodate. Can u compare mega optometry private eye clinics with those in govt hospitals? My guy go and relax...tnk God for govt awoof... If only dentistry should ever go on strike who will respond to them... Don't mention dentistry and optometry in Nigeria in one breath when the issue is lucrativeness... |
| Education › Re: Complaint On Harrasment Of Students By The Dean Of Uniben Faculty Of Law by originbm: 10:34pm On Apr 04, 2016*. Modified: 8:02am On Jun 03, 2016 |
[quote author=Unibenstudents post=42873720]FACULTY OF LAW, UNIVERSITY OF BENIN BENIN-CITY, NIGERIA. 06 February, 2016. TO: The Council of Legal Education, Nigeria. CC: Nigerian Bar Association. CC: Nigerian University Commission. COMPLAINT ON HARRASMENT OF STUDENTS BY THE DEAN OF UNIBEN FACULTY OF LAW This letter is written out of repressed and long held feelings of frustrations borne by most undergraduate students of the faculty of law of the University of Benin. Our point of substance and straight to the point, that it is a recognized principle of Nigerian jurisprudence as encapsulated by Justice Obaseki in the case of Odi v Osafile that “laws are made for men, and not men for laws…”. In the Faculty of Law of the University of Benin, draconian laws as well as rules that grossly offends the human conscience are being made for undergraduate law students to obey, and the mere perception of an intention to disobey such laws are met with severe sanctions. Ever since July 2014, when Prof. Richard I. Idubor Ph.D. assumed the reins of command as the Dean of the Faculty of Law of the University of Benin, students of the faculty have been intimidated, harassed, oppressed and subjugated in the name of keeping the law. Prof. Idubor is a man who loves law and order, and likes everything to be done so orderly. This has led to severe repercussions on innocent students. Firstly, he conceives the mere intention to commit an offence as sufficient proof of commission of that offence. For example, when he sees a student and feels that from mere countenance, the person has the markings of a deviant, such unfortunate student is made to face the music. Hence, situations where students are booked for “looking like someone who is conspiring against the faculty” or “walking like someone who has evil in his heart” or mere “smiling vacantly like a malignant deviant” are rampant in the faculty, and such students are made to pay the same penalty as one who has actually taken positive action to malign the university. Under our criminal laws, mere intention to commit an offence is not sufficient proof of commission of the offence. It is therefore ridiculous that some students suffer grievous penalties such as non-recommendation for law school simply because in the opinion of the dean, they possess some mental attributes of one planning to commit an offence. The very fact that the dean of law wields the power to sign the law school forms of law students and recommend students who are eligible to go to law school is one which has been grossly abused by Professor Richard Idubor in the University of Benin. The special reservation of a book for those persons whom he feels are deviants and his high favoritism for female students as against the males for matters unjustly not needing attention is greatly unbecoming of a dean as he has permanently said and swore over his living body that the said book are for those law students that will never go to law school. We categorically state that confirmed rumours have been making the rounds that the dean is engaged in sale of law school slots for the University of Benin to other schools. This is indeed a shameful act that the mere reportage of such wells up tears of infamous embarrassment in the hearts of these writers. He uses the excuse of deviant behavior to reduce the number of legitimate UNIBEN students qualified to go to law school. The dean is a principal member of the University Senate, this has prevented many lecturers who are aware of this insalubrious and diabolical act of turpitude from protesting and remonstrating, due to fear of either spiritual, physical or financial reprisal. Many students have been coerced into making decisions and taking actions which they ordinarily would not take, because if they do otherwise, they would “not go to law school”. The dean has acerbically abused this power to the extent that he has marginalized student unionism and religious activities within the faculty. He has successfully prevented the Christian Law students Fellowship of Nigeria (CLASFON) from holding religious meetings within the faculty which is a violation of Section 38 of the 1999 Constitution which provides for the right to worship freely. This has greatly reduced the image and activities of CLASFON within the university. Furthermore, Professor Idubor has stringently dealt a heavy blow and clamped down student unionism in the faculty. He has prevented the Law Students Association (LAWSA) of the university from conducting their lawful business, and has interfered with every single activity carried out by the body, including subtle manipulation of elections into the LAWSA executive body. Anybody that dares to oppose his anointed candidate through constructive criticism will immediately be challenged with the threat of not going to law school. Extra-curricular activities within the faculty has come to a standstill simply because the dean does not approve of such. Furthermore, the dean has systematically broken family relationships between parents and their children through his incessant intrusions into family affairs. He has an uncanny habit of calling the parents of any student whom he accuses or suspects of being a deviant. Hence, where a student who for the first time is in a slight violation of the dress code regulation of the faculty, he always request for the phone number of the father of such student and calls to report the student to his father, representing that the student is a very stubborn deviant and a serial law breaker who has lost track of his purpose in school as against who ordinarily is. He does this notwithstanding the fact that the student might be a first time offender. This creates the impression in the mind of such parent that his child is involved in some heinous crime like rape, assault, or cultism. The implication of this is that an elderly father with a weak heart could develop heart attack or cardiac arrest due to the undue stress and worry being placed on him over some frivolous claims. It also unjustly represents the student to be wicked and extremely disobedient and insubordinate whereas he might indeed be otherwise. Furthermore, it cannot be said that the dean is effectively discharging his duty as the leader of the faculty. This can be seen in light of the recent accreditation exercise carried out by the Council of Legal Education and the NUC. Whatever renovations that the accreditation officers saw were mainly representations of eye-service. The renovations were simply carried out in a bid to avoid dis-accreditation. Most of the equipment purchased such as the modern electronic boards were simply displayed to catch the attention of accreditation officials, as they have not yet been put to use. The paintings of the faculty itself was as well done in great eye-service. The faculty management on the instruction of the dean even went as far as bribing the students to give good report of the faculty administration in the event that they were interrogated by the accreditation officers that made many a law student cower to talk and speak their mind on the said days of the accreditation exercise. In light of the excesses and abuse of power being carried out by the megalomaniac dean, we fashion this letter in the hopes of effecting an external investigation into the undue marginalization of some students who are unjustly prevented from going to law school for frivolous reasons. Many innocent final year students are already languishing with the knowledge that they have been book-marked as never to be recommended for law school. Yours Faithfully, A conglomeration of aggrieved law students [/quote . . |
| Career › Re: How Lucrative Is OPTOMETRY by originbm: 8:09am On Mar 05, 2016 |
Drdonzeez:Go to the dept of ophthalmology un ubth and ask for access to the gazzettes documenting optonetry's estabkishment.Orior to 2001,it was a rule that odorbn,the council governing optonetry, must have an ophthalmologist and gmp on its board.They were approached to join tge faculty of medicine but with the option not to give out OD.This is a community health course aspect in optometry.The first batch of Optometric educators were whites from America.They advised against it.They pointed out that optometry's prospect would be better independently. In many countries of the world,dentists are not under medical schools.In usa for e.g dental schools are different just lije optonetry schools.What u hv under medical school is Doctor of medicine,and Doctor of Osteopathy. There is nothing special about dentistry performing surgery.In usa,optometrists perform surgery,same as chiropractors. Talking about Ghana and Kenya Medical association,those guys take their clue from Nigeria just as Nigeria take their clue from Usa. Nigeria set up the Ghana optometry school.One of our lectures was a former head of dept there. So what we do is what they would do. Politics deal with who gets what,when and how.If only ophthalmologists were to go on strike in nigeria,no one would hear of them.Thats y they use residents to press home their demands. 2 Likes |
| Career › Re: How Lucrative Is OPTOMETRY by originbm: 3:33am On Jan 20, 2016 |
Drdonzeez:Am i mad to go for dentistry...i know what dentistry is quite well...and in nigeria it is not lucrative...abroad,i will have to concede that it is...in nigeria teeth care is virtually non existent... |
| Career › Re: How Lucrative Is OPTOMETRY by originbm: 9:38pm On Jan 10, 2016 |
homesteady:If u r blind enough to compare optometry with dentistry,then u r blind enough not see an optometry clinic when u see one... I dont know ur guy...thats his issue...u love inductive reasoning... Nothing touches the fact that an optician lab in new benin is busier than most dental clinics in Benin city. |
| Career › Re: How Lucrative Is OPTOMETRY by originbm: 9:24pm On Jan 10, 2016 |
Drdonzeez:Speak for dentistry not optometry...Many optometrists are rich...Eye clinic is a money spinner...Dentistry is impoverished in Nigeria....Abroad they make very good money in private practice,but in Nigeria,nothing...an optician lab will even make mord money than them not to dpeak of an eye cljnic.... And the last time I check you cant be given Dentistry as a subtitute for medicine.. but 90% of those that are in optometry actually went for medicine...[\quote] Dentistry is a substitute for medicine...If optometry takes 150 in a class,about 100 put in for medicine and 50 put in for optometry. Dentistry takes only 25 and u r here spewing thrash....If optometry were to take only 25 like dentistry,no one who didnt put optometry would be given the course...The day dentistry takes 100 students,90% will be from medicine...Dentistry is under the same board as medicine,yet while medicine has 7000+ applicants in jamb,dentistry has only 303...despite the fact that u are basking under the glory of the most predigious course in sciences,yet u are invisible...what if u were not under them?You guys would have been extinct by now...dentistry would have been studied only in polytechnics in nigeria.... Thank God dentists easily secure place for internship. [\quote] Thank God that medicine made that possible for you parasites.... thank God they have a solid residency program which makes them consultants ..[\quote] Again thank God that medicine gave u that...Forget about "solid" The only difference between ur residency programme is that for now,optometry consultants are not allowed to consult in govt tertiary institutions because of professional politics... Optometry has its own residency programmes that lead to FAAO, and FNCO. Thank God they are #1 in their trade'No one can displace them'.thank God they earn from conmess which makes their salary and allowances higher. thank God they are surgeons hence members of NMA 'the bosses in the health sector'.the prestige and fame are enough.Life is not all about money!money!Thank God they can be CMDs.Not everyone can be cmds but anybody can be a vice Chancellor.. thank God!![/quote]Go through,everything u listed...dentistry is like child jumping on medicine's back....dentistry is just a proof of meficine's power to give any profession leverage if she so wishes... Let the market speak for itself....u guys are wasting nigeria's tax on a profession that is unappreciated...u are alpha and onega yet your practices are like deserts The structure of Nigerian politics is benefitting ur profession in the public sector...but thats where urs end. U r useless outside that area,while medicine pulls their weight in both sectors... Life is not all about money yet in 2008 when optometry was earning exactly same as medicine they went back to negotiate a conmess/conhess salary structure.... Keep decieving yourself.... My friend dentistry is a cosmetically dressed profession financially dry like a pressing iron... |
| Career › Re: How Lucrative Is OPTOMETRY by originbm: 8:18pm On Jan 10, 2016 |
[quote author=homesteady post=41809397]You don't have optometry figures?  Or you did not put it because you know the number is also very few? Apart from those 3 you mentioned and maybe Med Lab, all other medical related courses get few applicants! [\quote]Cant u follow a line of arguement...or is it too much for your head? You started mudslinging optometry and i pulled up statistics to show you that dentistry is not competitive at all and u r yapping...good to know that u understand that dentistry is not competitive and the fact that it is under the the same regulatory board as medicine has not made it so... U know what they say....if you live in a glass house dont throw stones. You have been cooking up lies to back your arguments, so I'm no longer surprised! Your Phantom friends spent 3 years? lol! It takes less than 2 years, either 18 or 20 months! The guy is my friend so shut the fk up....He wanted to do cardiology...so he spent three yrs plus 6yrs in cardiology residency making it 9 yrs...u want to tell me wat i know? Unnecessary rant. So Dentistry students go about with dentistry tags written all over their body? You are a pathetic liar. [\quote] You are the conceited mor*on ....we introduced ourselves (they were 4 of them)and from that day the guy goes out of his way to say hi whenever we meet...not everyone is a proud ignoramus like you....i have noticed that those with empty heads make the greatest noise..... So you don't only formulate fake figures and statistics, you also change meaning of words from the worldwide definition to yours? Wow! Originbm has given Holiday a new meaning. Why are you not answering my request for your level? are you afraid I'll burst all this your claims?[\quote] U think everyone on everyone is a hungry dental student like urself....because internet has made us faceless and equals...u want me to dignify ur inanities and endless fallacies by getting personal? I am not impressed by ur method of ratiocination...till u improve we'll keep it the way it is... After 300 level,optometry students no more go on holidays till they graduate....its a known fact... There is a 400L girl in my compound, when I go back to school, I would ask her if she won't go on holiday I know all my brother friends go sha![\quote]Do that.....by the way sometimes u speak like someone mature ,sometimes u talk like a toddler....are u sure its the same person typing all these things... I know you reason like a never-do-well thug, but C'mon, this is an all time low on your reasoning faculty. Who goes to a clinic to ask for their register? Am I a policeman? do I have a search warrant from a judge? Or better still, help me to do it.[\quote] Another example of kid talk....I have done it....if u desire the truth,u can go check...get their ,the register is at the front desk...u xan tell them u r working on a project etc...even a dullard like u should be able to that....no be ur mate dey cia and kgb? Na wa oh! Oga, even in dentistry, it is done! If you don't do it how would you reach your target of about 15 or so patients? You think I don't know that they even pay for some of their patient's card?See, we are not into any competition, you don't need to lie to me.[\quote] I never paid 10 kobo for any patient...most people pay because they want to control every parameters in their clinical practice....they dont want suprises...many guys dodge pxs....some may solicit to make up but most do it to avoid complex cases that may present...for e.g only few students will agree to handle a paediatric or geriatric case....y spend time on one px that u can spend on three...so the solution is,go out find a px with simple myopia and run away from troubles..... Of course we are not into competition.....i used to respect dental students till i met u....maybe u r not even in dentistry... |
| Career › Re: How Lucrative Is OPTOMETRY by originbm: 8:32am On Jan 09, 2016*. Modified: 8:51am On Jan 09, 2016 |
homesteady:Useless surmising.I hv two friends in ibadan that did it.It takes three years.Most people in dentistry put in for it because medicine is very competitive.so stop yapping. Dentistry is not competitive.Last jamb only 303 people put in for dentistry in uniben ,medicine was 7000+,nursing 2000+,pharmacy 2000+... U hv always wanted to be a dentist,i hv always wanted to be an optometrist...so keep shut.... Yea Yea... even Agric students don't like changing when they enter 400L..[/quote]As if dentistry is better than Agriculture..... O finally! You have finally admitted that they go on break. So why did you lie initially? And mind you, we spend 2 sessions doing it and not 1 year, if only we do projects and seminars, we would graduate with Bachelor's in the 3 of them! That would start next or next 2 sets. I would ask you again, which level are you, so that I can tell you someone I know in your class who goes for holiday during those 2 weeks, because I know my brother and his friends go home [/quote]If you like spend 2yrs chewing gum thats your own headache...In my time we finished Ramalingam and guyton in one session...half first semester with practicals,half second semester with practicals...thats y in 2013,i met a "scholar" from your dept @ library extension explaining to his fellow colleagues that the reason for optical inversion at retina is due to papillary decussation at the optic chiasmata..."a friend with me called ur scholar and started removing the log from his eyes....Are you at all a reasoning person?Optometry students dont go on holidays after 400 level till they graduate... You have holidays after sessions not in between sessions.... Lectures remain in school,clinic remains open,assessment for cases continues.its not even like chtistmas break,becsuse during christmas break every office,clinics included are closed. 500 level clinics run throughout the yr...their is no first semester exam for it...The exam is done at the end of the session! Clinical students remain in school seein pxts,for the one week or so after first semester exams because optomrtry exams take about 1 week or more of the two weeks....Thats one of the reasons why they dont lock hostels after first semester!Many times 400 level students write their second semester child psychology exams in their 500 level because of exigiency in time and the need to start clinical posting! Only ur btother closes from posting b4 4pm Only ur brother arranges patients Only your brother is a clinical optonetry student that goes on holiday after first semester....(except ur home is at uselu market or GRA in Benin,afterall people go to school from home) Only ur brother is an optometry student who couldnt teach his younger one what his dept entails.... I salute ur brother.... One of your loquacious claims again! When did health center start taking such statistics? So were did you get your information from? My brother has only gone their once to see a doctor, I have 2 other optometry student in my compound and I've never noticed anyone that was very sick (though one is in 100, but the other in 400L) Since you are incapable of reasoning let me break it down for u like abc.... Go to health centre On the reception there is a long note where students enter their names and department before seeing clinicians... Pick it up and go through the pages. Check for the dept with the highest number of entries....its not that difficult to do... Y is simple write up so difficult for you to follow? Ermmm... is it a crime to look for student patients? who doesn't do it? You? What's the difference between a walk-in patient and a student patient you brought in?[\quote] In that single statement u have commited both the fallacy of complex question and two wrongs...thats wat u always do... 1.Its a clinical offence...Some lecturers will punish for that...Except its a clear pathological case and u want the lecturer to handle it specifically... 2.I thought the reason dhould be obvious to you...Spot on diagnosis is different from a diagnosis u start from outside the clinic...wen u bring in a patient,there is every possibility that you are already acquainted with the patient's chief complaint,problems and mannerisms that might give you a hard time during patient assessment.... 3.For a walk-in,you are not acquainted with him or her...Everything is on the spot...so its much harder... 4.Some students start dodging wen some kind of cases present especially when some lecturers are their supervisors....they prefer to go look for simpke cases outside... 5.I dont have to answer your question whether i do it or not... Stop writing unnecessary speech, how am I not supposed to know? am I not staying in the same house with my brother?[/quote]You know and yet u r asking me who the clinical students see during the break...U see your life? |
| Career › Re: How Lucrative Is OPTOMETRY by originbm: 11:06pm On Jan 08, 2016 |
[quote author=awolam post=41797058]A few points to note here 1. Optometry is recognized as a noble profession especially in the western hemisphere which can take up to 8 yrs to complete. (3-4 yrs Bachelors + 4yrs Optometry School). Pre-graduation for Optometrists theses are often considered Doctorate level. Most often than not, they bypass Masters degree and earn a PhD degree. 2. Dentists typically earn more salary than Optometrists in a hospital/clinical setting...but not by much really. Outside the west, Optometrists are not considered doctors...a myth... but they really are. See: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optometry [/url] 3. In Nigeria, and the Middle-East, Dentists earn more salary than Optometrists because they are considered doctors and Optometrists (not considered as docs.) Dentistry belong to the same association with Medical Doctors and will thus benefit from the political and lobbying power of the latter. For the record, the NMA approach the Optometry board to join, but were turned down for fear of suppression. Dental association agreed to join thus enjoying the largess that normally accrue to Medical doctors. 4. In a private clinic setting, Optometrists earn far more than Dentists due to the sheer volume and lucrativeness of eyecare. It is for this reason you often see optical retail chain behemoths in United States, Canada, Australia, U.K and the middle-east. The one my brother works in (Middle-East has about 100 branches and rakes in minimum N10b annually). Dentists will rely on occasional big-hitters which is often beyond the scope of most private dental practices (most surgical cases are treated in tertiary hospitals. 5. As far as course content is concerned, the Optometry curriculum closely mirrors that of their Medical Doctor counterparts. I won't dwell much on this here. A simple google search would suffice. 6. The failure rate within and outside Nigeria is huge. In Nigeria, you fail ONE clinical course, you repeat a YEAR! Fail two courses, you repeat TWO years...you get my drift. My brother currently earns about $4,931/month in the middle-east in a private setting. Tax free. A dentist (non-consultant) will earns between $5,480 - $7,670/month in the middle-east in private setups. Tax free. Closing thoughts: Optometrists earn a bit lower than Dentists overall albeit enjoying a "cleaner" work environment devoid of mouth odor, blood spills, and sundry discharges. Both Optometry and Dentistry are noble professions in their own right and the success of individuals in each profession depends on how you go about your career (Salary earner vs Private clinic entrepreneur). Hope this settles the unnecessary fight. Thank you. |
| Career › Re: How Lucrative Is OPTOMETRY by originbm: 10:40pm On Jan 08, 2016*. Modified: 11:28pm On Jan 08, 2016 |
homesteady:People that put in for dentistry only want to get near to medicine and change later.They go through dentistry as a short cut so whats ur point....Many people who wanted medicine were given optometry....who is denying that....I told u before-but u probably have amnedia-that optometry starts from 400 level....so a 300 level student of optometry is not yet technically an optometry student...he doesnt even know majority of the lecturers...they are still at the level of pathology and pharmacology ...they dont even know what optometry entails...the dept is structured like that...so it is understandable that if the motivation is not there they leave...200 level is heavily optics oriented....not everyone has the aptitude for that....so it is understandable...but from 400 level they start clinicals and posting and then discover that optometry is not what they thought...they go on posting and see that its incomparable with dentistry in financial remuneration...the only exception are those that have elder siblings in the clinical classes.... This whole issue stems from your ignorance and bad comprehension. Medical School does not follow School Calendar, so other students on holiday does not affect our program. So during The solo practice and the other one, the session is still on? Do they receive classes? My brother always went by past 9 and came back before 4pm![/quote]I used to think scientists were capable of logical analysis...u seem to be an exception When you are stuck u start distracting from the points by making irrelevant analogies... Are u sure u r even a dental student or are u just daft? So clinical training in a hospital with instructions,reports ,vivres and sometimes written tests is not a continuation of the academic session...What is classes?What is the difference between a didactic and a clinical training? Of course for an optometry student,the session is still on.Its even tougher.Go and find out how ophthalmology residency is run.Stop asking me childish questions. Govt hospitals close by 4pm,privates close by 5 or 6.If your brother comes home before 4p.m,ask him the beer palour he went to... Is it a holiday? Yes or No? besides who spends only 2 weeks at home?[/quote]You must be drunk...has any first semester break been more than 2 weeks... Y should we not go on break...u spend 1 yr doing anatomy and physiology and biochem....we spend 6 months covering the same thing with the exception of some parts of anatomy....plus optics,psychology,ocular anatomy, biostatistics,computers and calculus(for 200 level)...and u begrudge them 2 weeks..which most optometry students even spend in school trying to cover ....Optometry gives lectures and materials even a day before exam...Everyobe in uniben knows that optometry starts exams first and finish last...sometimes exams take more than a week out of the 2 weeks holidays... Go to health care centre tomorrow,pick up their register and check the department with the highest number of breakdowns....its optometry.... Really? Are they treating Lizards and rats? because students forms the bulk of the patients, and they are on holiday [/quote]Maybe your brother is one of those that arrange student patients because he is afraid of seeing a walk-in patient.Of course u wouldnt know that even the Vice Chancellor of uniben visits the clinic....no to talk of staff and their dependents and geriatric and paediatric cases from outside and referrals from the health centre for staff....ask ur brother how many times he has run away from paediatric cases....And then u dont know that there is a second uniben optometry clinic at ekehuan withe 90% patronage from outside...but how would you know? And in case you dont know,the dept which gives uniben the highest revenue is optometry...5-7 million naira every quarter....no other dept can try that...the next is Agric and engineering....forget abt dentistry wen we are talking lucrativeness.... One last joinder:If u hv the time lets physically survey and compare dental and optometry clinics in Benin as a case study...all expenses is on me...i hv amazed people before with the result we got....its your turn... Please quote each reply and answer, it makes it easier to read, because your typos are not helping matters. This is how to do it - pick out each of my replies and add[/quote] 2 Likes |
| Career › Re: How Lucrative Is OPTOMETRY by originbm: 4:43am On Jan 08, 2016 |
HighIQ:Haha.... U cant even argue in favor of dentistry for just 2 seconds without calling medicine....thats my point.... Dentistry is not a stand alone profession... I like dentistry....the fact is that it is not as lucrative in the private sector as optometry.... Talk from today till tomorrow....a dentist is a novice in eye care....give him the clinical case note and work-up data of a patient with a problem as little as accomodative esotropia,and watch him become an illiterate....so wat has the dentist to say against optometry with the exception of medical fall out of professional politics? In lecturing optometry lecturers start from lecturer 2 just like medicine...We have dedicated doctors in the optometry clinic who dont lecture...whose job is purely clinical..... In ur thinking,dentistry is great because it is under the same board with medicine... Will a medical student also say:" Medicine is great because it is under the same board with dentistry"? No medical student will ever say that.... Concludion.... Dentistry is priviledged in public sector not due to merit,but by virtue of its association... Cry from today till tomorrow....Medicine merely tolerates dentistry.... WORD UP. 3 Likes |
