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EducationRe: UNIBEN STUDENTS ADMISSION THREAD, 2015/2016 by originbm: 9:47am On Sep 10, 2015
Fabzgrace:
hi sweets. Im not exactly familar with the active ingredient that could be harmful to one's eye sight.
No,pls im not tryna tell you to ditch your fav food. I enjoy noodles too but one must act with caution.
Im planning on carrying out a research on it tho,but that'll be when im less engaged.
The ingredient is glutamate.It causes optic neuropathy through excitotoxicity of the optic nerve neurons resulting in cellular apoptosis and baring of the lamina cribosa.
You study that in opt 526.Neuropathology.A 500 level course.
EducationRe: UNIBEN STUDENTS ADMISSION THREAD, 2015/2016 by originbm: 9:32am On Sep 10, 2015
Ray360:
True. the course needs time
In any healthcare setting an optometrist is also a doctor like a dentist or medical practitioner.70% of private eye clinics in Nigeria are run by optometrists.I HV a friend in the dept in uniben.If u HV ever been to an eye centre then u HV been treated by an OD.Because they are also designated doctors u may not know that the attending doctor is an optometrist.If u HV not gotten to 500 level in optometry dept u can't know what optometry is about.
As a matter of fact,in private practice optometry is much more lucrative than dentistry.That's y dentistry only takes 25 aspirants per class,so that the public sector can absorb them.
When next you are in Benin city visit a big hospital like Faith medical centre.Go to their eye section,tell them u need to see a doctor.Who u see is an optometrist.
I HV seen terrible comments from even purported students of optometry here...
The issue of optometry being in life science in uniben is a political issue...someone saying that optometry is not in college of medicine because it is not as specialized as ophthalmology or dentistry is so funny...perhaps if he or she had done community health in 300 level,he or she would have at least had a little insight into the relationship between optometrists,opticians and ophthalmologists.
Its best to give infos only within one's intellectual competence.
EducationRe: Share Your 2015 JAMB Result Here by originbm: 7:31pm On Mar 21, 2015
LEGITLAYO:
that's actually nice sir.. I would love to learn alot from you. I'm an aspiring medical student..
Tnks .Whenever u need me am here.Whatever u need to ask.tnks bro.
EducationRe: Share Your 2015 JAMB Result Here by originbm: 8:55am On Mar 21, 2015
LEGITLAYO:
hello sir, sorry to bother you, I just checked up your posts on this forum. Seems you know much about the medical field... I'm nau confused when you're posting something about law in uniben.. Lol I'm just a quiet observer, forgive me if I'm nosing around..
yope.u r right.i have a bit of an interest in both fields.tnks for noticing.
EducationRe: Share Your 2015 JAMB Result Here by originbm: 11:23pm On Mar 20, 2015
brize:
i think na computer dey mark am... Below!!! Chai i don die
Bros u funny ooo.u wan use laugh kill me.no worry sha i go send u ur beer.
EducationRe: Share Your 2015 JAMB Result Here by originbm: 2:16pm On Mar 20, 2015
PRISTINEMUSCLES:
As a proud alumnus of the great university of Benin, i can boldly tell you that you can and will be absorbed into the faculty of law uniben. Just prepare for the post ume very well.
I must really congratulate you for that high jamb score.
Bros tnks so much for the encouragement.i will read harder.
EducationRe: Share Your 2015 JAMB Result Here by originbm: 12:54pm On Mar 20, 2015
pls can 286 make law in uniben?pls someone help
EducationRe: Share Your 2015 JAMB Result Here by originbm: 12:49pm On Mar 20, 2015
brize:
.Okoli Israel Ifeanyi
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you don kill this people o, Aggregate=286,
CRK=74
LITERATURE=74
GOVERNMENT=77
ENGLISH=61
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Oya bring beer.. Lol, cheers
Bros thanks very much.Abeg hw jamb take dey mark their exam?i performed below what i expected
EducationRe: Share Your 2015 JAMB Result Here by originbm: 9:44am On Mar 20, 2015
pls help me check this brize:55939751FJ
thanks.
CareerRe: Human Anatomy Combined With Radiography - Advice On 2nd Degree (medical Field) by originbm: 8:28am On Dec 31, 2014
Lagusta:
Oh shut up!!!

Didn't you see that I was a medical student at that timehuh

Can't you readhuh

Okay ooo Mr radiographer, give us a concise lecture on what a radiographer does.....

Mtscheeeeeew.. grin angry
You see that's the problem with Nigeria.How can you give an advice to someone on an issue u are uninformed about with such certainty.An issue that involves the person's life.I would think that as a medical student you would have internalized the practice of researching before counselling.What if the guy forms a far-reaching judgement based on your clearly uninformed and prejudiced input.At least next time when speaking of issues you are not sure of add a caveat that will enable the person know that you are not sure.That's the stuff that maturity is made of.
As for my giving you a "concise lecture on what a radiographer does",i think you can google it up.
And they are more appropriately called Imaging Scientists.
CareerRe: Human Anatomy Combined With Radiography - Advice On 2nd Degree (medical Field) by originbm: 2:16pm On Dec 17, 2014
Lagusta:
Hello,
its good to hav a 2nd degree in radiography, but here in nigeria, ur 1st degree must be MBBS, then pass primaries in radiology and apply as a resident in the dept. That is when u can practise as a radiographer.
I dont kno if u r naija based or not, but here ooo, nearly all radiologists and sonologists are doctors. They only employ B.Sc radiography to develop x ray films and maintain their equipment
How can someone in the medical field make this kind of egregiously inane comment.Is this the calibre of doctors that our teaching hospitals now produce...i am short of words.
RomanceRe: Ladies, Would You Date A Guy Who Won't Have Sex Until Marriage? by originbm: 9:19am On Dec 16, 2014
But the truth be say there must be a way for person to know what he or she is getting into...wat if the girl has a terrible odour down there,or some strange....abeg me no fit shout...or wat if the guy na closet queen...many factors gat be considered sha....
EducationRe: Uniben Direct Entry 2014/2015 by originbm: 8:25pm On Nov 15, 2014
Samlo88:
"But then if the ophthalmologists confine themselves to surgical care and specialist care they wont make enough money..." hmmm dis is serious bro! But don't u see dat dis kind of shoddy malpractise profession been exhibited by dis our estrange colleagues is caused by d lacklustre of our NOA from their own part? Becoz according to what bro chidarlus pointed out about d 25years of underperforming of existence of dis body maybe have contributed immensely to dis daylight robbery. What's bro chidar. was saying is bitter truth. We only hear them when it's time for any world anniversary concerning sight & etc is fast approaching, and after dat no any meaningful show again. They will just went into silence ghost mode. Have a nice weekend!
My brother,u doubt when i tell u dat without refraction ophthalmologists wont make half the money they make now?
1.Every body above the age of 45 must wear a prescription lens for at least presbyopia,wen doing near work like reading.
2.Look into a newspaper or magazine and tell me the most popular object aside of clothes....its lenses.
3.Not to talk of myopic,astigmatic,binocular issues....
If not for the presence of quacks in the eye care profession,no specialty would be as lucrative as it is...visit any eye clinic owned by an optometrist or opthalmologist and u would confirm wat i tell you....
4.Wen u start going for outreach,check out for the section with the longest line,its always the eye section....

like i said ,visit ,ask questions,observe....you will confirm wat i say....

Thank you sir.
EducationRe: Uniben Direct Entry 2014/2015 by originbm: 8:08pm On Nov 15, 2014
Samlo88:
"But then if the ophthalmologists confine themselves to surgical care and specialist care they wont make enough money..." hmmm dis is serious bro! But don't u see dat dis kind of shoddy malpractise profession been exhibited by dis our estrange colleagues is caused by d lacklustre of our NOA from their own part? Becoz according to what bro chidarlus pointed out about d 25years of underperforming of existence of dis body maybe have contributed immensely to dis daylight robbery. What's bro chidar. was saying is bitter truth. We only hear them when it's time for any world anniversary concerning sight & etc is fast approaching, and after dat no any meaningful show again. They will just went into silence ghost mode. Have a nice weekend!
My brother you are very correct.But then whoever pays the piper dictates the tune.The leading members of NOA are private consultants,consulted even by ophthalmologists for complex refraction problems...So they never realized the need for a strong public service policy until recently.As a matter of fact NOA joined JOHESSU for the first time just last 2 weeks.Many of the Bsc optometrists were content to work as appendages for ophthalmologists in Teaching hospitals and so our past continues to haunt us as ophthalmologist refuse to give up any franchise they have been enjoying before.They cant just wake up and give optometrists a chunk of their income because they upgraded their careers.Granted we may be capable,but freedom is never won by reason...freedom comes through struggle....and when it comes to struggle,medical lab scientists are indisputably the giants of the sector.The optometry profession has a lot to learn from them...I respect them immensely for that....
The optometry profession has to work of the flabs on the body of their association which is as a result of indolence and complacency thru feeding from private practice....
What incentive will the body have to push for improved public practice presence when the leaders have private practice and their primary goal is attracting cheap labour?Wont improved welfare for young doctors be at the detriment of their private practices....
Add this to the insecurity of the bsc optometrists who tried to go for the three years upgrade to doctor but failed after repeated attempts...such people will clutch to any straw thrown to them by ophthalmologists,and they dont care,because the first law is survival...
I know one that works in nnpc in a state in nigeria who is afraid to let doctors extern there because he is afraid they would replace him with one of them...the ophthalmologist would beg him to get externs for the nnpc clinic but the bsc optometrist employed there would outrightly refuse...
So there are many points to the issue....If the bulk of the practitioners in a proffession are private practitioners,and they are the ons who pay the association dues,then the association's policies must be biased in their favour....
But things are changings,younger doctors are coming to the helm of affairs,the need for public practice presence is now being felt keenly...
Nigeria has less than 2600 ODs in the countries,so they are not that much...absorption is not the problem...the policy of the NOA is....but i cant say everything here....like i said things are changing ,and its for the better...
Thank you sir.
EducationRe: Uniben Direct Entry 2014/2015 by originbm: 8:08pm On Nov 15, 2014
Samlo88:
"But then if the ophthalmologists confine themselves to surgical care and specialist care they wont make enough money..." hmmm dis is serious bro! But don't u see dat dis kind of shoddy malpractise profession been exhibited by dis our estrange colleagues is caused by d lacklustre of our NOA from their own part? Becoz according to what bro chidarlus pointed out about d 25years of underperforming of existence of dis body maybe have contributed immensely to dis daylight robbery. What's bro chidar. was saying is bitter truth. We only hear them when it's time for any world anniversary concerning sight & etc is fast approaching, and after dat no any meaningful show again. They will just went into silence ghost mode. Have a nice weekend!
My brother you are very correct.But then whoever pays the piper dictates the tune.The leading members of NOA are private consultants,consulted even by ophthalmologists for complex refraction problems...So they never realized the need for a strong public service policy until recently.As a matter of fact NOA joined JOHESSU for the first time just last 2 weeks.Many of the Bsc optometrists were content to work as appendages for ophthalmologists in Teaching hospitals and so our history continues to hunt us as ophthalmologist refuse to give up any franchise they have been enjoying before.They cant just wake up and give optometrists a chunk of their income because they upgraded their careers.Granted we may be capable,but freedom is never won by reason...freedom comes through struggle....and when it comes to struggle,medical lab scientists are indisputably the giants of the sector.The optometry profession has a lot to learn from them...I respect them immensely for that....
The optometry profession has to work of the flabs on the body of their association which is as a result of indolence and complacency thru feeding from private practice....
What incentive will the body have to push for improved public practice presence when the leaders have private practice and their primary goal is attracting cheap labour?Wont improved welfare for young doctors be at the detriment of their private practices....
Add this to the insecurity of the bsc optometrists who tried to go for the three years upgrade to doctor but failed after repeated attempts...such people will clutch to any straw thrown to them by ophthalmologists,and they dont care,because the first law is survival...
I know one that works in nnpc in a state in nigeria who is afraid to let doctors extern there because he is afraid they would replace him with one of them...the ophthalmologist would beg him to get externs for the nnpc clinic but the bsc optometrist employed there would outrightly refuse...
So there are many points to the issue....If the bulk of the practitioners in a proffession are private practitioners,and they are the ons who pay the association dues,then the association's policies must be biased in their favour....
But things are changings,younger doctors are coming to the helm of affairs,the need for public practice presence is now being felt keenly...
Nigeria has less than 2600 ODs in the countries,so they are not that much...absorption is not the problem...the policy of the NOA is....but i cant say everything here....like i said things are changing ,and its for the better...
Thank you sir.
EducationRe: Uniben Direct Entry 2014/2015 by originbm: 7:21pm On Nov 14, 2014
Samlo88:
@ boss originbm., I dey ur side joor excellent job u've done. I myself will devote d next 6 academic section to come out as d best for dis noble course I chosed to praticed. So help me God! Med. Lab. Sc. also has been an important profession in our national health sector becoz d origin of any problem regards to living being on earth can be identify by our men & women in dis field of profession. No matter how d professional conspiracy by d so-called pples dat presume themselves as Oga-at-the-TOP in our Govt. hospitals with their motives to hinder d progress of all other health professions will not work.

Pls, what is ur view about dis Tom & Jerry relationship with our opthalmologist colleagues dat is continously rampart in our health institution when dis pple are alreading parading themselves as primary contact when it comes to vision system to d patient which is illegal according to d ethics of dis field, despite d fact dat OD's refers complicated cases dat involve surgery to them. My question was borne out 4rm one eye doctor dat was granted an interview on tv dat anything concerning eye should be consulted by medical doc which she obviously known dat she wasn't in a position as primary contact & I later confirm dat she was an ophthamologist. Thanks!
The issue my brother is dat whoever is in control of primary eye care is the first point of entry in the eye care profession.This means that the person is d first person the patient will meet if he or she has eye problems.He now can refer to the appropriate practitioner if the case is beyond his competence.That person is the optometrist.The optometrist should now refer to the opthalmologist if there is surgical care or specialised care,or refer to the general practitioner if a systemic disease is diagnosed.But then if the ophthalmologists confine themselves to surgical care and specialist care they wont make enough money...so they want to be primary care provided instead of the tertiary care providers that they are meant to be.They want to collect money for refraction also.Because the fact is that refraction-based proceedures are the money making machine of eye care.
They are asking the public to bypass the optometrist who is an eye doctor and go to a general medical practitioner who knows next to nothing about the eyes.This is because the medical doctor will refer the patients to them since they are in the same association,nma.Since the general practitioner knows next to nothing about eye care practice,they will refer even the most simple proceedures to the ophthalmologist thereby making the ophthalmologist richer.But the optometrist knows knows most of the things an ophthalmologist knows and is in a position to diagnose,treat and refer.And so takes money off the table of the ophthalmologists,so they hate optometrists.Optometrists fight for eye care rights with them.So its not a surprise if she comes on air to say that.
During the world sight day,optometrists gave a talk show and told the public that every eye problem should be brought to the optometrist who is the primary eye doctor.The optometrist will now refer if the need be.
Which is how it should be....With the exception of the brain,the eye is the most complex organ in the human body and it is not just the anatomy of the eye that makes it so,but the interplay between eye and light energy to bring about vision.That's one of the most complex sciences to learn.And of course the eye is an extension of the brain...
So how can a general practitioner who did eye only as a special sense course in their final yr even get to touch a patient with eye problem,not to talk of diagnosing and refering.
Any general practitioner doing that should actually be arrested.The early optometrists who did bsc optometry has no right to diagnose,or take clinical decision even after 4 yrs in the course how much less general medical practitioners.
The ophthalmologist is asking the public to bypass the optometrist and consult with a quack.Of course any general practitioner dabbling into eye care whether as a front for the ophthalmologists or as a real practitioner is practising quackery,just like an ophthalmologist who wants to perform neurosurgery is a quack.That nma states otherwise is immaterial.....my brother politics will be d doom of healthcare in nigeria...
EducationRe: Uniben Direct Entry 2014/2015 by originbm: 7:21pm On Nov 14, 2014
Samlo88:
@ boss originbm., I dey ur side joor excellent job u've done. I myself will devote d next 6 academic section to come out as d best for dis noble course I chosed to praticed. So help me God! Med. Lab. Sc. also has been an important profession in our national health sector becoz d origin of any problem regards to living being on earth can be identify by our men & women in dis field of profession. No matter how d professional conspiracy by d so-called pples dat presume themselves as Oga-at-the-TOP in our Govt. hospitals with their motives to hinder d progress of all other health professions will not work.

Pls, what is ur view about dis Tom & Jerry relationship with our opthalmologist colleagues dat is continously rampart in our health institution when dis pple are alreading parading themselves as primary contact when it comes to vision system to d patient which is illegal according to d ethics of dis field, despite d fact dat OD's refers complicated cases dat involve surgery to them. My question was borne out 4rm one eye doctor dat was granted an interview on tv dat anything concerning eye should be consulted by medical doc which she obviously known dat she wasn't in a position as primary contact & I later confirm dat she was an ophthamologist. Thanks!
The issue my brother is dat whoever is in control of primary eye care is the first point of entry in the eye care profession.This means that the person is d first person the patient will meet if he or she has eye problems.He now can refer to the appropriate practitioner if the case is beyond his competence.That person is the optometrist.The optometrist should now refer to the opthalmologist if there is surgical care or specialised care,or refer to the general practitioner if a systemic disease is diagnosed.But then if the ophthalmologists confine themselves to surgical care and specialist care they wont make enough money...so they want to be primary care provider instead of the tertiary care providers that they are meant to be.They want to collect money for refraction also.Because the fact is that refraction-based proceedures are the money making machine of eye care.
They are asking the public to bypass the optometrist who is an eye doctor and go to a general medical practitioner who knows next to nothing about the eyes.This is because the medical doctor will refer the patients to them since they are in the same association,nma.Since the general practitioner knows next to nothing about eye care practice,they will refer even the most simple proceedures to the ophthalmologist thereby making the ophthalmologist richer.But the optometrist knows knows most of the things an ophthalmologist knows and is in a position to diagnose,treat and refer.And so takes money off the table of the ophthalmologists,so they hate optometrists.Optometrists fight for eye care rights with them.So its not a surprise if she comes on air to say that.
During the world sight day,optometrists gave a talk show and told the public that every eye problem should be brought to the optometrist who is the primary eye doctor.The optometrist will now refer if the need be.
Which is how it should be....With the exception of the brain,the eye is the most complex organ in the human body and it is not just the anatomy of the eye that makes it so,but the interplay between eye and light energy to bring about vision.That's one of the most complex sciences to learn.And of course the eye is an extension of the brain...
So how can a general practitioner who did eye only as a special sense course in their final yr even get to touch a patient with eye problem,not to talk of diagnosing and refering.
Any general practitioner doing that should actually be arrested.The early optometrists who did bsc optometry has no right to diagnose,or take clinical decision even after 4 yrs in the course how much less general medical practitioners.
The ophthalmologist is asking the public to bypass the optometrist and consult with a quack.Of course any general practitioner dabbling into eye care whether as a front for the ophthalmologists or as a real practitioner is practising quackery,just like an ophthalmologist who wants to perform neurosurgery is a quack.That nma states otherwise is immaterial.....my brother politics will be d doom of healthcare in nigeria...

thank you sir
EducationRe: Uniben Direct Entry 2014/2015 by originbm: 8:38pm On Nov 13, 2014
chidarlus:
gud morning sir, all d websites u listed above showed advertisement of jobs of 3years ago(then mls was only 9years old).mls have been on conhess 8 since more than 2years now and early dis year d salary was pushed to conhess 9 starting,am currently on conhess 9,if u doubt me come to ucth and see for urself nd I go pay ur transport to nd fro(effective in all teaching hospitals but some state hospitals are yet to implement it and from d first site NOA listed dia problem and d include 1) optometrist are not allowed to carry out primary eye care by d ophthamologists 2) dia is rivalry between optometrists and ophthamologists 3) optometrists are relegated to doing REFRACTION ALONE(hw do u now differentiate optometry from opticians if u have same job description?) as d are not allowed to consult and mind u dat optometrist in private sector consulting are commenting a criminal offence just like mls scientist that also consult in dia private laboratories 4) creation of optometry department as d don't have department in any hospital across nigeria(after 25years of existence) 5) creation. Of scheme of service(after 25yrs of existence)....I can't keep on exchanging words with you(i hate arguments)...u have won,mls are on conhess 1 step 1, mbbs are on conmess 1 step 0 while optometry is on conmess 30 step 20 and optometry earn 5million naira evry day in d private sector,d are even highly paid more than nigerian senators..but the fact still dey say an OD get admission enter mbbs both tru utme and DE....and d guy is very good and sound academically...pls for the love of GOD let's end dis...dis is a DIRECT ENTRY trend,open Optometrist vs mls trend,invite me and I will be happy and willing to throw in some words(I will be sure to invite some mls friends dat knows how to argue).....have a nice day sir and I admire and respect u Zeal/love for what u do(profession)
Haha,my bro,this is just fun and informative...there is no rancour,believe me i actually admire u...maybe one day we'll really meet...
1.2 of the links i gave u are for 2014,including the one for edo state.
2.If u r on conhess 9,then u have been promoted,mls dont start on conhess 9.give me a link that has ever advertised mls on conhess 9.
3.U said optometrists dont consult in private cinics....hahaha....i will advice u to at least read up b4 u write...Optometrists are the only health care professionals(aside of medical doctors and dentists) dat are LEGALLY permitted to diagnose,integrate clinically,prescribe both topical and systemic drugs whether therapeutically or diagnostically,prescribe aids and lenses,and prove the full spectrum of clinical care...do u need a link to optometrist enablement act?
4.Refracting in itself is a specialty.Its one of richest proceedure in eye care....ophthalmologists make the bulk of their cash from refraction....how many ocular surgeries do u think is performed by the average ophthalmologist in a yr?
5.The only proceedure that an optometrist is not permitted to perform in nigeria is surgery.That is the precint of the ophthalmologist just like refaction is the precint of the optometrist.
6.Optometrist refer not only to ophthalmologists when necessary,but to neurologist or pcp...
7.Opticians are better called dispensing optics professionals.They dispense prescriptions written by the optometrist or ophthalmologist.And they are trained to interprete prescriptions and dispense the prescriptions just like a pharmacist dispenses drugs.They dont refract.Only optometrists and ophthalmologists refract,even though ophthalmologists are not very good in it.
8.Have u ever been to an eye clinic?u think in a private eye clinic u can differentiate between the optometrist and ophthalmologist?
9.Ophthalmologist only come in when some serious situations that may require general anaesthesia presents.In many optometry clinics,opthalmologists are only called when surgical services are needed...look up optometric eye clinics...u should.
10.Optometrists are primary eye care practitioners.Find out what it means.
11.Am sorry,wat do u mean by medical lab consulting?do u carry out diagnosis and institute treatment?dont make me laugh....medical rehabilitation comes b4 mls...sorry,but thats the truth....
12.I have told u the reason for the apparent disinterest of optometry in public service..its wat it is...
13.The apparent trouble u guys have is dat u have not seen mega eye clinics...get to abuja,port or Lagos...
14.How can a medical lab scientist consult when he is not legally permitted to open a clinic?do u now consult in a lab?This is wonderful...Optometrists own eye clinics,a medical lab scientist cannot own a clinic,and a lab is not meant for consultation,or do u buy cards for lab test now?
15.Optometry ,has always been an independent profession...they hv not shown any willingness to enter into public service,but things are starting to change now...as some are now interested in public service...they hv achieved more than any other health care professions in areas in which they are genuinely interested...
17.It seems like u didnt understand noa's comment....Optometrists are not begging to be primary eye care professionals.They are already primary eye care practitioners legally.They are complaining that the rivalry btw them and ophthalmologist is preventing them from playing their roles in TEACHING HOSPITALS.In other settings they perform their functions of primary eye care practitioner,both in private and state hospitals...Ophthalmologists dont want to start sharing consulting powers with them in the teaching hospitals.
18.Even our student doctors go on outreach in their 500 level to communities where they treat ocular disorders of both refractive and pathological origin...
so....
19.My brother we r just gisting...we are all in the same game...but sha check out facts and no dey make me repeat points i hv already made...
we aint fighting,we just gisting...in fact take one bottle of star,i go pay.....
EducationRe: Uniben Direct Entry 2014/2015 by originbm: 8:25pm On Nov 13, 2014
chidarlus:
gud morning sir, all d websites u listed above showed advertisement of jobs of 3years ago(then mls was only 9years old).mls have been on conhess 8 since more than 2years now and early dis year d salary was pushed to conhess 9 starting,am currently on conhess 9,if u doubt me come to ucth and see for urself nd I go pay ur transport to nd fro(effective in all teaching hospitals but some state hospitals are yet to implement it and from d first site NOA listed dia problem and d include 1) optometrist are not allowed to carry out primary eye care by d ophthamologists 2) dia is rivalry between optometrists and ophthamologists 3) optometrists are relegated to doing REFRACTION ALONE(hw do u now differentiate optometry from opticians if u have same job description?) as d are not allowed to consult and mind u dat optometrist in private sector consulting are commenting a criminal offence just like mls scientist that also consult in dia private laboratories 4) creation of optometry department as d don't have department in any hospital across nigeria(after 25years of existence) 5) creation. Of scheme of service(after 25yrs of existence)....I can't keep on exchanging words with you(i hate arguments)...u have won,mls are on conhess 1 step 1, mbbs are on conmess 1 step 0 while optometry is on conmess 30 step 20 and optometry earn 5million naira evry day in d private sector,d are even highly paid more than nigerian senators..but the fact still dey say an OD get admission enter mbbs both tru utme and DE....and d guy is very good and sound academically...pls for the love of GOD let's end dis...dis is a DIRECT ENTRY trend,open Optometrist vs mls trend,invite me and I will be happy and willing to throw in some words(I will be sure to invite some mls friends dat knows how to argue).....have a nice day sir and I admire and respect u Zeal/love for what u do(profession)
Haha,my bro,this is just fun and informative...there is no rancour,believe me i actually admire u...maybe one day we'll really meet...
1.2 of the links i gave u are for 2014,including the one for edo state.
2.If u r on conhess 9,then u have been promoted,mls dont start on conhess 9.give me a link that has ever advertised mls on conhess 9.
3.U said optometrists dont consult in private cinics....hahaha....i will advice u to at least read up b4 u write...Optometrists are the only health care professionals(aside of medical doctors and dentists) dat are LEGALLY permitted to diagnose,integrate clinically,prescribe both topical and systemic drugs whether therapeutically or diagnostically,prescribe aids and lenses,and prove the full spectrum of clinical care...do u need a link to optometrist enablement act?
4.Refracting in itself is a specialty.Its one of richest proceedure in eye care....ophthalmologists make the bulk of their cash from refraction....how many ocular surgeries do u think is performed by the average ophthalmologist in a yr?
5.The only proceedure that an optometrist is not permitted to perform in nigeria is surgery.That is the precint of the ophthalmologist just like refaction is the precint of the optometrist.
6.Optometrist refer not only to ophthalmologists when necessary,but to neurologist or pcp...
7.Opticians are better called dispensing optics professionals.They dispense prescriptions written by the optometrist or ophthalmologist.And they are trained to interprete prescriptions and dispense the prescriptions just like a pharmacist dispenses drugs.They dont refract.Only optometrists and ophthalmologists refract,even though ophthalmologists are not very good in it.
8.Have u ever been to an eye clinic?u think in a private eye clinic u can differentiate between the optometrist and ophthalmologist?
9.Ophthalmologist only come in when some serious situations that may require general anaesthesia presents.In many optometry clinics,opthalmologists are only called when surgical services are needed...look up optometric eye clinics...u should.
10.Optometrists are primary eye care practitioners.Find out what it means.
11.Am sorry,wat do u mean by medical lab consulting?do u carry out diagnosis and institute treatment?dont make me laugh....medical rehabilitation comes b4 mls...sorry,but thats the truth....
12.I have told u the reason for the apparent disinterest of optometry in public service..its wat it is...
13.The apparent trouble u guys have is dat u have not seen mega eye clinics...get to abuja,port or Lagos...
14.How can a medical lab scientist consult when he is not legally permitted to open a clinic?do u now consult in a lab?This is wonderful...Optometrists own eye clinics,a medical lab scientist cannot own a clinic,and a lab is not meant for consultation,or do u buy cards for lab test now?
15.Optometry ,has always been an independent profession...they hv not shown any willingness to enter into public service,but things are starting to change now...as some are now interested in public service...they hv achieved more than any other health care professions in areas in which they are genuinely interested...
16.My brother we r just gisting...we are all in the same game...but sha check out facts and no dey make me repeat points i hv already made...
we aint fighting,we just gisting...in fact take one bottle of star,i go pay.....
EducationRe: Uniben Direct Entry 2014/2015 by originbm: 12:42am On Nov 11, 2014
chidarlus:
gud day sir....thnk u sir for your critics but if u re really in the medical profession,please kindly list the federal hospitals that employ optometry interns/optometrists nd kindly list how many universities(both state and federal) awarding dr of optometry in nigeria ,I work at ucth,and I can confidently say dat d don't take optometry interns/optometrist(d make use of dia optomologist(specialist mbbs holders in optometry) in fact in ALMOST all of the fmc(s) in nigeria I don't fink d absorb opt interns and ,med lab scientists are paid call duty allowance(too) as we take calls....hazard allowance(same amount for all health workers ,5000naira) and until recently teaching allowance(same for all health workers around 8000 sumfin naira)....and abeg no de lie oooo......opt interns are on LESS than conhess 8 step 2 not to sure abt dia starting salary though...but d issue be say which /hw many federal/govt hopitals de absorb opt interns. dia interns end up mostly in private hospitals/clinics( I have opt colleagues that graduated alongside wit me and d only health workers dia interns are on cohess 9 is pharmacy(apart from mbbs interns as house officers are not on cohess salary scale) ....so I have more than FACTS sire.....have a wonderful day
Bro this is a simple issue,just type this on google"Optometry vs pharmacy vs mls salary scale on conhess"Just type it.
1.One thing is that southern CMDs have this resentment for optometrists which make them not take them for internship.thats just professional rivalry.
2.I think their governing body dont care because the situation gives them cheap source of labour.
3.But make no mistake about it,optometry internship,and pharmacy internship are the only ones fully recognised in nigeria among health care professionals excluding medicine and dentistry.
4.If u doubt me ,dial up the requirements for nysc service on the net and u would see that only four profession's internship schemes are made prerequisite for youth service and those are:medicine,dentistry,optometry and pharmacy.U can check it out.
5.That CMDs dont absorb them is because of spite.And it is illegal.Hospitals in the north and middlebelt do,probably because eye diseases are more endemic there.
6.Military establishments do and pay them exactly like medical doctors and more than pharmacists.
7.There is no situation in which a pharmacist can be paid more than an optometrist in hospitals...and in eye hospitals and military hospitals ODs are paid more.
8.The internet is there,check these things out...Check out the issues that led to the creation of conmess/conhess scheme.Check out optometry grade in 2008.it was exactly same as dat of medical doctors.In nma's 14 point secular,the fact that optometry was recieving exacly same salary as themselves was one of thier grouse...check these facts out...
EducationRe: Uniben Direct Entry 2014/2015 by originbm: 12:22am On Nov 11, 2014
chidarlus:
well spoken sire.....mls are not on cohess 7 but was formerly on cohess 8 step 2,bt currently mls starting salary is currently on cohess 9 step 2 and wit due respect I shud be asking you wada you re actually working at all and so optometrists are not bin paid call duty allowances?...hahaha(too bad for 'em ooo)and abeg which hospital pay radiologist higher than mls and u can't for the love of God jump from graduate assistance to lecturer without u msc...U get ur FACTS right
EducationRe: Uniben Direct Entry 2014/2015 by originbm: 12:21am On Nov 11, 2014
chidarlus:
well spoken sire.....mls are not on cohess 7 but was formerly on cohess 8 step 2,bt currently mls starting salary is currently on cohess 9 step 2 and wit due respect I shud be asking you wada you re actually working at all and so optometrists are not bin paid call duty allowances?...hahaha(too bad for 'em ooo)and abeg which hospital pay radiologist higher than mls and u can't for the love of God jump from graduate assistance to lecturer without u msc...U get ur FACTS right
My brother ,one problem i hv with people is that they wont like to verify issues even when every available info is at their disposal...
1.An holder of OD does not need a masters degree to lecture...In d department of optometry there is nothing like graduate assistant or assistant lecturer.
2.An OD together with 2 fellowships is enough to make u a senior lecturer and even professor...a fellowship(e.g FAAO,FNCO etc)is bigger than a phd .
3.In uniben ,only four depts have this modus operandi and they are medicine and surgery,dentistry,pharm d,and optometry.And for these four depts,the pass mark for any of thier courses is 50%.
4.The implication is that an OD,MBBS,BDS or PHARMD(at least until it was suspended) is bigger than any masters degree from all other depts...
5.And of course u know that OD is unclassified...they dont offer first class,second class etc like other depts.An OD is an OD.Just like mbbs and bds.
6.Check around,mls and optometry cant earn the same thing...i never said radiologists,i said radiographers...radiologists are medical doctors specializing in radiological treatment proceedures...radiographers are imaging scientists that take radiographic images and other systematics like ultrasound,ct etc.
7.See,my bro,i can tell u d truth since u r now studying medicine,MLS is d least paid in health professions...they start at conhess 7.Optometrists just stopped earning exactly same amount as medical doctors with the introduction of conmes,conhess system around 2009 or 2010.
9.The call duty was suspended in delta state after tussle with nma.Then optometrists were the only health care professionalscaside of medicine and dentistry being paid call duty.
10.I dont know how the situation over there is now,but on no occassion has mls recievedcsame amount as optometrists...the only guys that come close are pharmacists.....But the problem with pharmacists is that the hospitals started employing pharmacy technicians instead of pharmacists,which lead psn to scrap pharmacy technician course in ubth.
EducationRe: Uniben Direct Entry 2014/2015 by originbm: 12:21am On Nov 11, 2014
chidarlus:
well spoken sire.....mls are not on cohess 7 but was formerly on cohess 8 step 2,bt currently mls starting salary is currently on cohess 9 step 2 and wit due respect I shud be asking you wada you re actually working at all and so optometrists are not bin paid call duty allowances?...hahaha(too bad for 'em ooo)and abeg which hospital pay radiologist higher than mls and u can't for the love of God jump from graduate assistance to lecturer without u msc...U get ur FACTS right
EducationRe: Uniben Direct Entry 2014/2015 by originbm: 12:19am On Nov 11, 2014
chidarlus:
well spoken sire.....mls are not on cohess 7 but was formerly on cohess 8 step 2,bt currently mls starting salary is currently on cohess 9 step 2 and wit due respect I shud be asking you wada you re actually working at all and so optometrists are not bin paid call duty allowances?...hahaha(too bad for 'em ooo)and abeg which hospital pay radiologist higher than mls and u can't for the love of God jump from graduate assistance to lecturer without u msc...U get ur FACTS right
My brother ,one problem i hv with people is that they wont like to verify issues even when every available info is at their disposal...
1.An holder of OD does not need a masters degree to lecture...In d department of optometry there is nothing like graduate assistant or assistant lecturer.
2.An OD together with 2 fellowships is enough to make u a senior lecturer and even professor...a fellowship(e.g FAAO,FNCO etc)is bigger than a phd .
3.In uniben ,only four depts have this modus operandi and they are medicine and surgery,dentistry,pharm d,and optometry.And for these four depts,the pass mark for any of thier courses is 50%.
4.The implication is that an OD,MBBS,BDS or PHARMD(at least until it was suspended) is bigger than any masters degree from all other depts...
5.And of course u know that OD is unclassified...they dont offer first class,second class etc like other depts.An OD is an OD.Just like mbbs and bds.
6.Check around,mls and optometry cant earn the same thing...i never said radiologists,i said radiographers...radiologists are medical doctors specializing in radiological treatment proceedures...radiographers are imaging scientists that take radiographic images and other systematics like ultrasound,ct etc.
7.See,my bro,i can tell u d truth since u r now studying medicine,MLS is d least paid in health professions...they start at conhess 7.Optometrists just stopped earning exactly same amount as medical doctors with the introduction of conmes,conhess system around 2009 or 2010.
9.The call duty was suspended in delta state after tussle with nma.Then optometrists were the only health care professionalscaside of medicine and dentistry being paid call duty.
10.I dont know how the situation over there is now,but on no occassion has mls recievedcsame amount as optometrists...the only guys that come close are pharmacists.....But the problem with pharmacists is that the hospitals started employing pharmacy technicians instead of pharmacists,which lead psn to scrap pharmacy technician course in ubth.
HealthRe: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by originbm: 12:31am On Nov 10, 2014
armadeo:
Dead issue.

Read both your responses. I am very sure you are still an optometry student. Read your books .

You have no idea what internship in your faculty entails not to talk about post graduate medical exams.

Don't quote me again. Thanks.
U tell me not to quote u again,sorry i had to quote u...U r wrong on both counts...I know exactly wat ur ophthalmology residency training entails.Believe me...They are our people so we know...But I will be very glad if u will tell me wat ''internship in my faculty" entails....tnks.
HealthRe: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by originbm: 12:30am On Nov 10, 2014
armadeo:
Dead issue.

Read both your responses. I am very sure you are still an optometry student. Read your books .

You have no idea what internship in your faculty entails not to talk about post graduate medical exams.

Don't quote me again. Thanks.
U tell me not to quote u again...U r wrong on both counts...I know exactly wat ur ophthalmology residency training entails.Believe me...They are our people so we know...But I will be very glad if u will tell me wat ''internship in my faculty" entails....tnks.
EducationRe: Uniben Direct Entry 2014/2015 by originbm:
Nigeria is actually a very good place to practice optometry....if u doubt me check out good eye clinics around you...the money is unbelievable....thats why optometrists dont care much about hospital politics...not even dentistry can compare with optometry in private practice...ask around.

I once visited a hospital in benin city,Faith hospital to be exact.I went around the whole sections.I went to their dental session no one was there.I went to their outpatient section,just a handfull of geriatric patients.Then i went to their eye section...i couldnt believe the queue i saw there...
Visit eye clinics and judge for yourself...infact optometry is one of the few health care professions in which u can becone a millionaire within a short time of establishing a GOOD practice...It may take funds to open a good one,but ur return is more than guaranteed,unlike a medical lab.
And have this at the back of your mind,u dont need a medical doctor to tell u to visit an optometrist...like the mls,or to interprete a diagnostic report...the optometrist does everything from beginning to end,from diagnosis to clinical integration,to assessment,to plan, without any input from any other person,and only refers when referral is needed...so i think u should start seeing the great difference btw an OD and a medical lab scientist....
EducationRe: Uniben Direct Entry 2014/2015 by originbm: 12:01am On Nov 10, 2014
chidarlus:
mr boss man I hate arguing....d person in question have already commented on this trend abt his DE admission into medicine and as for his utme admission,I saw his admission letter with my eyes....am a medical laboratory scientist(practising) in a federal teaching hospital but I still went for DE just to read mbbs(u and I know that a medical laboratory scientist starting salary is slightly higher than an optometrist ,dia professional body is d weakest in medical field) ..so mr boss, mbbs and optometry aiint same and if you are truely an optometrist u probably would know that Nigeria is d worst place to practise optometry(I mean no disrespect boss),how much do de pay dia interns(optometry)?....broda when u go to to hospitals(federal) u see optomologist(mbbs graduates dat became specialist in optometry dpt) so me no blame d guy for opting for mbbs after optometry and I don't doubt him,cos I saw his admission letter into year 1 and in his PUDE screening photocard I saw course studied: optometry...happy sunday boss
Hahahah....u say dat the starting salary for a medical lab scientist is wat?Medical lab scientists are the least paid in nigerian health profession.they start from conhess 7.Are u really working at all?Perhaps u dont know that it was only recently dat they stopped paying optometrists call duty?Just type up conhess salaries....Optometry is the highest paid health profession aside of medicine.Only pharmacy compares with them....They pay radiographers much more than mls not to talk of optometry.....
Optometry body is tepid because most practitioners make money from independent practice....In independent practice can u compare mls with optometry?Mls no join at all...even physiotherapy is better than them....
Eye hospitals and military establishments pay optometry interns exactly wat they pay medical doctors...its just that majority of the hospitals are in the north and middle belt...Many ODs are in private practice,and they make hell..,even more than the average regular hospitals...mls is not in the equation at all....dats y they are carrying johesu on their head,because if federal govt no pay them,no level for them...
And to tell u ,guys that interned in national eye hospital last year were paid 171k per month.So u know say no be beans....
Do u know dat most ophthalmologists are in independent practice?Only few work in govt hospitals?And i tell u dat the highest paid health workers mibus medical doctor are optometrists.go check it up.
Not only that ,when mls graduate want to lecture they start from graduate assistant,when optometrists wants to lecture he starts from lecturer 2 just like medical doctors...i.e he jumps graduate assistant,assistant lecturer and goes straight to lecturer 2....get ur facts right.
HealthRe: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by originbm: 1:06pm On Nov 09, 2014
And after the ophthalmologists have done their maximum damage thru surgery they start knocking down the door of optometrists referring for low vision services...Do u know wat it takes to make one low vision assessment and treatment?You think ocular diagnosis is the same with making diagnosis in gynaecology...If an optometrist is not a doctor,then a resident medical practitioner is also not a doctor....Or perhaps u dont know the amount of patients OD refer to opthalmologist for surgical proceedure after full diagnosis?Not to talk of thevfact that an optometrist is trained to fully treat some systemic conditions like diabetes,but simply refer them to pcp to avoid looking greedy...
Just know this,invasive proceedures which is the bone of ophthalmology account for only a few percentage of ophthalmic proceedures...And in america optometrists perform surgery...we will soon follow suit here,perhaps then,medicine can really cry...
EducationRe: UNIBEN 2014/2015 Admission Guide Thread by originbm: 12:46pm On Nov 09, 2014
efedua:
okay, but I am still thinking SLT is nothing compare to MLS so don't you think it will be just 4years. even medical biochemistry is just 4year and is also one of the labs dealing courses that it graduates are ground in lab technics and scientific methods. tho part time maybe 6years in the faculty of life science as even management science is.
Yeah,you are be probably right.
EducationRe: UNIBEN 2014/2015 Admission Guide Thread by originbm: 12:45pm On Nov 09, 2014
efedua:
okay, but I am still thinking SLT is nothing compare to MLS so don't you think it will be just 4years. even medical biochemistry is just 4year and is also one of the labs dealing courses that it graduates are ground in lab technics and scientific methods. tho part time maybe 6years in the faculty of life science as even management science is.
Yeah,you may be right.

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