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seunlayi:
Op is high

I'm the most high geng

fairfora:
An atheist like this OP would probably be one of those belonging to the wasted generations in the end.

Wait a minute, do you read the bible at all?

Never mind, the end is not here yet. It's one epidemic the whole world experienced and things began to fall apart. With this, it would be difficult to face the tribulations coming to the heads of the unbelievers like you, except you repent. It has never been this worse globally. This is just the sign of the end time and unless people like you repent, you shall likewise perish...it not me who said so, neither is it a curse. It's in the bible. The era of grace is drawing to an end gradually but deaf-eared people like you would never listen as it was in the day of Noah.

In China where the Corona virus was first detected, how many of them believe in God? I met a chinese who said openly he didn't believe in God. In Italy you mentioned, which used to be the seat of religion, how many of them acknowledge God in their way of life nowadays? The world headquarters of prostitution is Italy...you expect God to stay happy with a country where prostitution is legalised, where dogs have sex with human beings?

What of western countries where porn is legalised and innocent girls are being lured into sex-modeling , where scientists who don't believe on the existence of God thrive? Those who belong to God, even if they contract the disease, would survive it. When a sinner serves punishment, the upright would also have a share of it.

Nigeria is a country so loved by God. He knows we do not have a helper but Him. People have criticised Nigeria all over the world as the only country where there are a large number of churches. Now is the time God is paying His people back for acknowledging Him. Since last December, Nigeria has been witnessing an intensely hot weather. It had rained in Lagos 3 times heavily recently yet, the heat has remained unabated. Researchers have come up with their findings on the Coronavirus that, it cannot thrive under a hot weather and that's why gagging is recommended and use of hot water by the west. If you walk a 100 meters in lagos for instance, same with other parts of Nigeria, the heat that would greet you is huge. People are sweating profusely under their roofs...God had made this happen ahead, knowing fully well we are a helpless people. I've lived in lagos and Nigeria most of my life. I'm in my 40s and the heat since last December has been unprecedented. I wouldn't know if such was experienced before i was born.

This is the time an atheist like you the OP, the scientists whose knowledge and claims have failed them and those who never believe the end could come to this world to think twice. This is just an example of one of the many plagues that would hit the earth at the imminent end time.

I'm not an atheist oga Ade. I'm the knower of God Almighty which created Jehovah your god and Allah the muslim god.
Do you know history at all? Even before Audio Jesus was created into the new testament by Paul, there had been great diseases killing millions of people, yet the world didn't end? Corona Virus is only killing humans and not animals, so how will the world end when even if all humans dies, there will still be billions of animals and plants on Earth? Assuming the world is breaking apart into pieces by an unknown force now, that's when you can be talking about end of the world, just diseases alone and you are bringing end of the world. What should the chickens say during Christmas when more than 500 millions of them die every December 25? Should they also call it end of the world? Or what should mosquitoes say when you fleet the hell out of them in multitudes? When humans kill other organisms, we won't hear end of the world o, but when other organisms like viruses and bacteria kills humans, suddenly we have end of the world. Abeg let's hear world. All we need to do is to take revenge on the COVID19 and make sure they don't get to kill us again. In the past, mosquitoes, smallpox, etc have killed humans in millions before the antidotes came and the world did not end. Let's only hope the scientists quickly get cure and vaccines for this COVID19, lobatan.

kingxsamz:
U no well.

Audio brotherly love...

kingxsamz:
It's like assuring your kid bro that you'll always have his back and be there for him whenever he needs you. Only for you to bail on him the moment he's faced with little challenges.
That's pure audio love...

I need Jesus to help me go to the market and buy foodstuffs for me right now as I want to quarantine myself for sometimes, but he is nowhere to be found, yet they say that he loves me. What kind of wayo love is that one na?

flyingdutchman:
Does the word prophecy ring a bell to your head?

Prophecy that disease will emerge? That's audio prophecy already trashed out by me long time ago. Before the new testament was written by con men, diseases had been occuring, during the new testament era diseases kept occuring, so the probability of diseases to occur after the new testament era is 100% so that's not prophecy. And to let you know, there will still be outbreak of diseases in the future. It's part of natural processes. Read the book of Niklatians to see how this so called prophecy was countered by the Niklatians in those days.

Niklatians 11:5-18
5. Now the arguments of the Krishtens of Petra and the Niklatans became a public thing. And Petra said, have you not seen the sign of the return of Yeshua our Lord? 6. And the Niklatans said, what are the signs of the return of your Lord? And Petra said, did you not hear of earthquake which occurred in Mezan and in Macedon? 7. For our Lord has said to us that before his coming shall earthquake occur in many places. 8. Now Galio who was the head of the Niklatans said, I have gathered much evidence from record books about earthquakes. And I have read that earthquakes happen in different places before the coming of Yeshua. 9. And the things which happen before his coming must continue to happen. How then did your lord give such thing as the sign of his coming? For it is like saying, Niklas shall return to destroy the world. And the sign of his coming would be that the earth shall become dark and there shall be heavy rain in different places. 10. Does the earth not become dark occasionally before? And does heavy rain not fall in different places before? How then is this a prophecy? 11. Now hear this: for this is a true prophecy: the homos of the world shall go from one nation to another through the air. And they shall ride in metals made with engines. And the use of horses and camels shall be made uncommon. 12. And I say that the use of fire for seeing shall become uncommon, for lights shall be made by a thinker to replace the use of fire in seeing. 13. And the homos of the future shall see afar off with great devices which they shall make. 14. Now O Petra, did your lord see any of these things? Did he prophesy any of these future occurrences? For these are real prophecies which shall happen. But the prophecy of diseases and earthquakes happening in different places are not prophecies because all these have happened before your lord came to the earth, and they shall continue to happen. 15. Now Petra said, all these things you mention are the things to laugh about, because even none of the gods could do them, how much then shall the homos do them? 16. And Galio said, the organs of the heads of the future homos shall be made bigger and they shall be able to think deep with their heads and not with their hearts. 17. And the knowledge which the gods of findings have gathered shall those homos tap into unaware. And they shall by their findings make all these things which I have mentioned. 18. Now Petra and his followers made a laughingstock of the Niklatans. And they said, you are the antiKrist. And this also is a sign of the return of Yeshua our Lord. For he did say that antikrist shall arise.

Koginaija:
as if you don't know what i'm talking about.meanwhile continue to harden ur heart,it's ur choice.you know what is right and you know who JESUS is but pride,arrogance and guilt will not allow u to acknowledge him.humble urself man and accept the truth. waiting for your reply.

Sincerely I don't understand that kind of love again o. Love wey person love me yet no fit help me at all for anything. That's called Audio Love from Audio Jesus.

Koginaija:
ok since you are what you claim to be,clothe yourself with majesty,deck yourself with power and dominion,look upon a proud man strech forth your hand and bring him low.do you know when the foundation of this earth was set?can you number the stars in the sky?do you know how the world was created? where were you when HE created the firmament and the morning stars shouted for joy?

I don't bring proud people low. I am not a wicked god that should be concerned with how people live their life to such an extent of plotting their downfall. As for the rest of your questions, including the ones you have not asked, they are well recorded in the BOOK OF UNIVERSAL HISTORY. There you will even see how Jehovah your god was created by GOD ALMIGHTY
.https://www.nairaland.com/2938907/doctrine-ufos/92

Koginaija:
as if you don't know what i'm talking about.meanwhile continue to harden ur heart,it's ur choice.you know what is right and you know who JESUS is but pride,arrogance and guilt will not allow u to acknowledge him.humble urself man and accept the truth. waiting for your reply.

I am a real god myself, Jesus is a mere fictitious character. I am Otem, sent to the world to conquer Jehovah your God, Allah the Muslim gods and every other gods of religion and to set minds free from mind slavery brought to humanity by various religions of the world. Read the book of Otem Erectus 226 and also the book of Dibnim 2:10

Dibnim 2:10
10. There is no god in the universe who has been robed with a great glory as me, therefore Allah, Yahweh, Moloch, El, Enlil and their likes cannot withstand me in strength.

Koginaija:
Jesus is ur lord and only saviour believe it or not.he loves u and gave himself for u.

I'm a man o. You're trying to portray this god as a gay with your statements. Or is he gay?

rottable:
the religious guys are coming for you big time, better run

Japa, Japa, Mo Japa lo si Japan (Abeg ah no be Marlian o).

gensteejay:
The same thing applies to Muslims. Imagine someone bearing the same name as an infamous pedophile, terrorist, and warmonger, who founded one of the most violent religions in human history.

And to think that people lionised Usman Dan Fodio and praised him beats my imagination. Imagine, the first BOKO HARAM EVER LIVETH. Even Shekau is learning where that guy is.

Bacteriologist:
The typical Christian has their life centered around fear.

FEAR of god, FEAR of satan, FEAR of demons, FEAR of spirits, FEAR of the supernatural. FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR!!

No wonder they cannot think for themselves. Religion kept them in the bondage of FEAR.

You go fear fear na

I have always called this Bible character fictitious, but I see it even better to call him audio, because audio and fake go hand in hand, but fictitious doesn't mean fake.

This is the period of time humanity needs this Jesus they've been noising about to quickly wipe off this COVID19 and cure those who are already infected, but sorry, all the temples leading to this audio saviour has been shut down.

Churches, Vatican City, Jerusalem and everywhere people go to worship this audio saviour has been shut down by Corona Virus. And then Corona Virus has become the king of audio Jesus.

The long and short is that human beings should wake up, support science and tackle this virus. This is not the end of the world, THIS IS ONLY JUST THE BEGINNING. Audio Jesus is not a living soul, his powers end in the book called the New Testament from where he has originated.

So human beings should help themselves by complying to the rules of their governments and the injunctions of the doctors and nurses worldwide and we shall defeat this virus.

Be it known that Jehovah, Allah and other God's of religion cannot help anyone, so refrain from believing that they can prevent the disease for getting to you. As a matter of fact, currently Jehovah, Allah and the rest of them are currently in a spiritual cage where they shall remain till the 1000th year when humanity would have been 100% free from mind slavery brought to them by religion.
#StaySafe
#StayClean
#SayNoToAudioSaviours

spartan117:
Any life lived without Jesus is wasted.

If Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Steve Jobs, Pythagoras, Thomas Edison and millions of philosophers and scientists who lived their lives without Jesus and invented all the useful things of the world right now hear you say this, they will burst into "tears of laughter" in their various "heavens". So the person who invented Light Bulb and the one who invented Pythagoras Theorem have lived a wasted life while you who is not known for any great invention have lived a productive life abi? Clap for yasef ;

This is the reason why Jehovah must remain in his spiritual cage, for humanity to speedily become liberated from mind slavery. Peace.

Many people just bear names without checking properly for the history of the first person who bore that name. I'm not saying that you should apply for a change of name though, but it is good for you to be aware of it. There are very good indigenous names we could choose from, but many of our country people chose to give names of Murderers to their children, even after discovering this truth.

1. Moses- Moses murdered many people, but the one that stood out was that of a particular man who was working on a Saturday. Imagine, because someone was working on a Saturday, he deserved death. Numbers 15: 32-36

Imagine, their god is so senseless to have commanded that that gentle man should be killed. SMH for Jehovah and his crews

2. Samuel- This one beats my imagination. According to their story, Saul was sent by Jehovah their foolish god to go and kill people of another land including their children and animals (just how Boko Haram does these days). Saul didn't kill all, he kept Agag the king alive and some animals. Samuel the Psycho was angry for this and he killed Agag immediately. Cruel guy with wicked acts, yet majority of christian people in our country bear that name and even called him a good child. Read 1st Samuel 15

3. David- A man after foolish Jehovah's heart, yet full of wickedness. Just because someone didn't give him food he almost killed him. He also went to kill and cut the penis of 200 Philistines, according to their story. Let's assume someone does that these days, how would it sound in the ears. That person would have been labelled a terrorist, isn't it?

4. Solomon- Another foolish follower of Jehovah. He killed Adonijah his own blood brother, among many others.

5. Peter- Full of wickedness. According to their story, someone died in his church, he felt no remorse, rather the same question that killed the husband, he continued to ask the wife and even declared that the wife will die too. Go and read the story of Ananias and Sapphira. So pls don't give your child the name Peter. He's a wicked follower of the prisoner called Jehovah.

6. Elijah- That one and killing people like bursting pure water are like 5 and 6. He will send fictitious fire to kill fictitious captain and his army of fifty. Not on one occasion. He will always kill the prophets of other religions of those days. He should be tagged a great terrorist, but Nigerians will rather name their children after such a murderer. Hmm.

7. Elisha- That bald man(Abeg that his bone that's still active after his death should not come and choke me to death o ). Ordinary audio children are playing, he sent audio deer to them to consume them. Na wa o. How will the audio parents of these audio children feel seeing the audio bones of their audio children lying lifeless?

Let me not mention Samson, Phillip, and the rest. So check and think twice before you get baptised and acquire these names of murderers or before you give your children such names.


May Jehovah continue to be in his spiritual cage until the 1000th year as revealed by the thummim of the Light of God Almighty his father. Aseeee!!!

Even Jehovah your God who is currently in a spiritual cage cannot stand to declare these lies, only in the false books of religion you can spot it. May Jehovah continue to languish in his spiritual cage as the course of science continue to progress among humanity.

jolyment:
You don't know the power in the blood of Jesus.

There's no power in that fictitious blood. The faster you come to reckon with reality, the better for you.

ogene007:
May God have mercy on your soul.

He has not said any lie here. The name of fictitious Jesus had never cured anyone from the beginning of the existence of humanity. Same way Superman has never saved anyone in human reality. It's all in the books and movies.

shadeyinka:
You've done religion without a relationship: it can be disappointing!

Lol. I've said this before too. When we are losing our religions but still loving fictitious Jesus, this is what we say. But eventually, we let go fictitious Jesus and face the reality of life squarely. That time is coming.

TooMuchStuff:
Your weed suppliers are doing a great job !!!
Na market go host you Las Las!

Kwantinu your blasphemy!!

Define blasphemy? Or how does revealing God Almighty, the creator of Jehovah your god amount to blasphemy? Read the book of MCC 1: 14

MCC 1: 14
14 . Now the names of some of these beings (created by God Almighty) are Knoliud, Miklas, Urim, Chimides, Chaleb, Eartum who is also called Atum, Largas, who is also called Allah, ..., Yahweh, Wanyioyi,... Abassi, Nzame, Nyame;

shadeyinka:
I've been delivered from the shackles of religion a long time ago!

Religion is whatever men do as their attempts to please the Divine Creator/gods
I do NOT subscribe to Religion and Jesus was against religionists.

I preach the message of Christ: you need to have a relationship with the SOURCE and He will wipe off the VIRUS that has Contaminated you so that you could be His Perfect Creation

You never free finish
Na small small sha

I'VE BEEN THERE, I'VE DONE THAT

dazzlingd:
drop one chapter here and the fight is over

Hahahaha

Inteltower:
standing afar and looking at you with pity
I could only wonder your morality ...
your understanding has no spiritual root at all.

I could only wonder the morality of the man uttering these things

and to where you plan to take deceitful teaching to

I pardon your ignorance. it's because you don't know me, Otem, the saviour of the world from mind slavery. But I'm glad you've known me today. I am he whom the higher beings have ordained to keep the key of the spiritual cage of Jehovah and Allah until the days when the whole world would have been delivered from mind slavery. Jehovah, Allah, Moloch and many other gods of religion hear my name and tremble. May the light of God which created Jehovah and Allah your gods reveal the truth of the universe to you soonest. Peace

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dazzlingd:
You mo try at all oo, just disappeared like that....welcome back though

No vex my brother. Nothing is lost anyway. I'm back now.

Fear not in this COVID19 period. It's part of natural occurrences as we have read about a lot of such occurrences in this Book of UNIVERSAL HISTORY. In the end, human beings will not be wiped out of the earth. We will still be here and the world will not end.

I think I should resume the Histories especially in this COVID19 period when a lockdown has already been declared over different forms of social gatherings. Now Champions League, EPL etc won't take my time anymore

When I started declaring my mission and also the mission of nature to fizzle out religion and make it appear microscopic back in 2016, some people were thinking that I was mad. But now I can tell you without exaggerations that this Corona Virus occurrence has helped millions of people lose their faith already. When I Otem began this Otemic journey, a friend of mine laugh at me and believe the pastors and Reverend fathers of Nigeria above the truth I was fishing out raw. But now, fast forward to four years later, he is the one now criticizing religion more than myself. He has even gone abroad to see it more for himself. It's a matter of time, Shadeyinka himself will be delivered from the shackles of religion

Ladylite:
Pls who put them in cage?

Is it you?

Some of you just talk yet you can't solve any human problem.

The early beings who favoured science over religion have put the early beings who favour religion over science in a spiritual cage.
Go and read the BOOK OF UNIVERSAL HISTORY and you will understand fully. Read the excerpt below to get insight. Peace.

Otem Erectus 227: 1,2
1. Now after this did Otem begin to say, Yahweh, Allah, Moloch, Mazda and all gods of the books are now encaged in a spiritual vacuum. And those who heard him said, keep quiet, for you are mad.
2. And Otem said, why can you not open your inner eyes and see this truth? Where are the illusions of fearful fire? Where are the illusions of demons? They are all conquered.

Well, it's a simple answer. None of these god's, whether in their free state or in their imprisoned state, can do anything profitable to humanity. Everything about them ends in their religious books. It's only the humans who feel that they are being helped by these God's anytime something good come their way. But what actually play out in everyday affair are things of nature.

As I have always made us know, science and science alone is the way to the truth and for problem-solving and only the knowledgeable ones are found in it. Religion on the other hand is for the people of low mentality. So we have to be careful not to mingle our health with religion. We should avoid gatherings of large crowd.

Pls note that there is no healing in churches. Yahweh, Allah, Moloch, Mazda and the rest of the gods worshipped by humanity don't have power to cure any sickness and more particularly, they are currently in a SPIRITUAL CAGE. Therefore follow scientific advice and I can assure you, the world is here to stay. IT IS NOT COMING TO ANY END.

You can read the BOOK OF UNIVERSAL HISTORY to see more of the truth of the universes there.
Peace to the WORLD!!!

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helinues:
Nigerians want to go heaven but not ready to die

That's the characteristics of fearful people

MrNipplesLover:
@ Lawly


bro, that dream I narrated up there is true. it looked so real in my dream like it was happening in real life

the reason why it looks irrelevant to me is because I ain't a Christian. so, why Jesus was chasing me up and down in the dream, I no know.

secondly, it looks stupid to me na because I no remember where I committed any blasphemy to the Christianity religion, or its people.


thirdly, I can't remember me engaging in any fvcking rituals or anything related to it at all. who does rituals?



fourthly, the name Atum and Otem that the Dream Jesus showed me, I no know wetin I get to do with those names. na only on nairaland I dey see that kind names for this religion section so, wetin come concern me wey Jesus go dey show me those name?


fifthly, I think na normal dream stuff sha, cos sometimes, u go dream and u go wake up dey ask yourself how this dream take concern u, and wetin the dream they show u self, u no go understand.



lastly, u thought I was joking when u saw DOP, Producer and location manager, right?
I just put am there cos the thing looked so real and that's how movies look.

Well Op, dreams are very funny. Data from here and there are collected to make dreams for us in many cases. The fact that you have seen the words Otem and Atum before on nairaland and the fact that you have heard the fictitious name Jesus before is enough for your brain to generate a dream for you to showcase them both. That's how dreams work!
However there are dreams that are true and revealing, but this particular one is just a mind-play.
However, I OtemAtum am here on earth to render the works of the inventors of fictitious Jesus useless and the brains of everyone knows this, only that these brain-owners may not know it. Read the Book of Danyal from the BOOK OF UNIVERSAL HISTORY and you will see that all brains have all information concerning existence, both past and present with future information in them. Continue to explore the wonders of the brain as this period when Yahweh and Allah are being confined to a spiritual cage is the time of the brain-users.

You can learn about how the brain of Salang played similar game with him below:


3. And salang wondered until he had fallen asleep. And his emotion followed him into his dream immediately. 4. And
salang saw himself in his dream, saying, Zeusus come right now, for I want to ask you some questions. 5. And an image appeared before salang like a shadow. And salang said, if indeed you are real, tell me what I shall do tomorrow and next tomorrow. 6. And from the shadow came a voice, saying, you shall definitely go and kill Jerre with your own hands because he blasphemed against me. 7. And you shall flee the kingdom. And
salang said, indeed you are my lord Zeusus, for that is what I shall do tomorrow. And you have said exactly what is in my thought to do. 8. And
salang asked further, shall I do so, O Zeusus Krista? Is this not against your will? 9. And the image said, it is not wrong if you do so. Did Paneas the son of Aron not kill some homos for the sake of Yahweh? 10. And when the little children mocked Eliash, did he not send bears after them, to slaughter them all? 11. And salang said to the image, but I thought that you have come to stop all forms of violence. How now do you support the things in the old covenant? 12. And the image said, did Petra not cut off the ear of one of those who came to take me by force? 13. Now go and do to Jerre what he deserved by blaspheming me. For you shall definitely do so to him and nothing can stop you from doing so. 14. Now when salang awoke, he was surprised that the image whom he had supposed to be Zeusus Krista would suggest such evil to him.
15. And salang went to tell Jerre what he had seen. And Jerre said, that image which you see is not Zeusus but the idea of him. 16. And it is called the Word. For by the Word you have read and have believed upon shall you live. And the conglomeration of all the scriptures which you have read is what has appeared to you as a single matrix, which is the image you saw. 17. And by meditating always on the scriptures did the image come. And whatever the words in the scriptures which you have read when you are conscious are the things you will hear from the mouth of the image in your dreams . 18. Now my servant, take these books which I have not shown you before, read them and you shall know more about the falsehood of this idea of a real Zeusus Krista coming to your dreams. 19. Now salang read deeply into the books which he was given. And he thought deeply into his sleep. 20. And a dream came to him. For the image which he had supposed as Zeusus Krista appeared to him again and said, salang, why have you not killed this Jerre for his continual blasphemy? 21. Why do you delay to do so to him? And
salang said, is it right to kill anyone? 22. And the image said, did I not say to you in the scriptures that I have not actually come to the world to bring peace, but rather, division and sword have I brought? 23. And salang said, why do you speak only the things which I know already to me again? Can you not tell me some things which I do not know? 24. And the image said, I am an embodiment of the Holy Spirit and the son of god. And I have come to bring all things back to your remembrance as I have promised. 25. That is why I make you remember things which you must have forgotten. 26. Now O salang , go now and kill Jerre, for so did Nephi and it became holiness to him before the father. 27. And so did Paneas also, who killed those who sacrificed strange fire to the father. 28. And salang said, it is true. I shall go and kill him tomorrow morning. And his blood shall be upon his own head for blaspheming you. 29. And
salang awoke immediately and wondered, saying, how come the image of Zeusus in my dream spoke about Nephi for the first time ever? 30. For this Nephi was not known by me until this afternoon when I read the history books given to me by Jerre. 31. And salang said, I know what I shall do. Therefore
salang went and sort after a history book about Murhamid. 32. And salang readit deeply with great meditations upon its texts. And he slept while reading it. 33. And in his sleep, he saw the image again? And the image said, why did you not kill Jerre whom I have commanded you to kill? 34. And salang said, who exactly are you, O great figure? Are you Murhamid? 35. And the image said, yes I am Murhamid. And salang said, how then do you say to me before that you were Zeusus. 36. And the image said, did I deny that I am Zeusus? And salang said, how can you be both Zeusus and Murhamid at the same time? 37. And the image said, I was reincarnated as Murhamid. 38. And salang said, how come in the past dreams I had, I was told by a voice which I supposed was yours, that Murhamid was an antikrista? 39. And salang awoke in confusion. And he said, surely the words of the books I read are the things which become the image I saw in my dream. 40. And my opinions about these books are the reply I hear from the image. For in the days when I believed Murhamid as a false prophet, I heard a voice saying that it was so. 41. And now when I changed my opinion about him because of the books I just read, the image supposed to be that of Krista have said to me that Murhamid is his reincarnation. 42. And
salang became very said when he had known that Jerre was right. 43. And
salang went to Jerre and took him to Chelang, saying, treat him with the herbs so that he would be cured. 44. And Jerre was cured of his sickness. But when he came to the house of salang, he found that he had killed himself. 45. For salang drove a knife into his own belly because he was overwhelmed with depression after he had known that all the things which he defended with his life for twenty years were nothing but falsehood and illusion. 46. And Jerre wept for him and buried him in the courtyard of the church. But Jerre did not cease from practising Krishtanite, because it was his religion.

Welfed:
All die na die..... what matters is give your life to Jesus Christ so as to be saved from eternal condemnation where there would be gnashing of teeth....

You are a human being, but here you are, canvassing for people to give their lives to Jesus, a fictitious character.