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Christianity Etc › Re: The Doctrine Of The Ufos by OtemAtum: 6:35am On Feb 13, 2018

Chapter Twenty-Nine
1. Ugep was a homo sapiens born in a place in the country now called Nigeria. He was born in the 149th year of the homo sapiens era.
2. Ugep was a hunter who went from one place to another to kill animals for food.
3. Now when he had found a cave, he dwelt there and there he found a female whom he mated with.
4. Then Ugep made stone tools of various sizes to hunt.
5. A time came when some cannibals took Yakurr the pregnant wife of Ugep while she was alone in a cave.
6. Then she screamed and her voice echoed through the woods so much that Ugep heard her.
7. Then he left what he was doing and went to seek her.
8. When Ugep reached the cave, he did not find his wife, so he followed the footprints until he had reached a thick bush.
9. Now the cannibals had tied Yakurr to a tree, getting set to eat her for food.
10. When Ugep saw them, he went into their midst and fought with them.
11. Then he rescued his wife and went far away from the place. Now he did not return to the former cave, because he knew that the cannibals will come to seek them again.
12. So he went to a land where the people had never communicated with words before, because they had no one to teach them a language.
13. But Ugep spoke the language which he had learnt from the land of his origin with them.
14. And he taught them all the things which he had heard about Abassi from his ancestors.
15. Now the people worshipped Ugep because he had taught them how to speak with languages.
16. He also taught them proverbs and many wise sayings.
17. Now Ugep died when he was seventy-four years old, but he was remembered from generations to generations, even when the people migrated from that land other other places.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Doctrine Of The Ufos by OtemAtum: 4:50am On Feb 13, 2018*

Chapter Twenty Eight
1. Afrika was the son of Afrit, who was born in the 101st year of the homo sapiens era.
2. Now Afrika was born in the northern side of the continent now called Africa.
3. And the interpretation of his name was 'the soul of Afri'.
4. Now Afrika grew in wisdom and knowledge. And when he was the age of thirty, he slept and awoke with a new language.
5. And the language is that which is now called Berber.
6. And Afrika spoke the language in the hears of the people until they began to learn it.
7. And they wondered how he came about the language. Now the words of the Berber language were seven hundred and fourteen initially.
8. And the people learnt all of them and spoke to each other with the language, such that they soon began to speak it naturally.
9. Now Afrika was worshipped as a god because of his knowledge of poetry, proverbs, deep speeches and songs.
10. And he told the people hundreds of wise words and proverbs.
11. And Afrika said, it is only a people that are without knowledge that will sell the heritage of their land.
12. The son is the continuity of the father upon the earth. A son who has disowned his father has killed his father upon the earth.
13. But a son who tells his children and children's children the histories of his fatherland has preserved the soul of his father on the earth.
14. A generation that do not care to know the history of his ancestors is a failed generation.
15. But a generation which is set to learn and study the history of his fathers is a generation of the blessed people.
16. Love unites the people, but war scatters them. Therefore let all the lands where this language shall be spoken be united as one.
17. This language and this tongue is brought upon us for unity and this unity shall prevail.
18. Afrika went about in those days to speak of peace. And all the lands where he went learnt the language which he spoke to them, being now called the Berber.
19. Now Afrika went to Egypt and became a friend of Khonnum. And Khonnum learnt the language which he brought to them, saying, it is necessary to teach my people this language for the unity of many lands.
20. So the Berber language became the language which was spoken by many lands across the North of Africa in those days.
21. And they had no difficulty trading among themselves all the days of Khonnum and Afrika even till ten centuries after.

Christianity Etc › Re: Homo Sapiens, See Your Histories by OtemAtum(op): 3:57am On Feb 13, 2018

ogyunging:
@ otem
thanks for the info. Bless

U are welcome.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Doctrine Of The Ufos by OtemAtum: 3:50am On Feb 13, 2018

Chapter Twenty-Seven
1. Khonnum was born in the 90th year of the homo sapiens era in a land called Ta-Senet in the modern day Egypt.
2. When Khonnum was born, he was taken to all the rivers of Egypt to be bathed because he was very hairy at birth.
3. When Khonnum began to grow, his parents told him how they had taken him to all the rivers of Egypt to bathe him.
4. Now Khonnum began to love the rivers. Then he went to all the rivers in those days.
5. He reached to the Canopic, the Phatnitic, Sebennytic, Bolbitinic, Mendesian, Pelusiac, Tanitic and to the centre of the Nile river.
6. When Khonnum had observed the water very well, he began to notice the clays and the silts which the water deposited at the banks.
7. Now he bent and touched the clay and the silt and he loved the feel of them in his hands.
8. Then Khonnum sat beside the river of Nile and began to mould a shape like himself.
9. Then he moulded the figure of two female humans. When Khonnum had taken the images into the villages, the people were amazed.
10. And they fell before him and worshipped him because no one had ever moulded anything since the beginning of their existence in the homo sapiens era.
11. Now the homos of the land pressured Khonnum to tell them their actual origin because they had thought that the statues he made were actually alive.
12. Then Khonnum said, indeed these two people were the actual co-creatures of the world with Ra.
13. And when they died, Ra turned them to silt and clay and cast them into the river.
14. And I have gone to fetch them from the riverbanks so that I could remould them.
15. Now Khonnum named one Amunet and the other he named Satet.
16. And he said, Satet is my wife and Amunet is my daughter. And the people came to worship the images alongside Khonnum himself.
17. And they called upon Satet and Amunet as though they were alive.
18. And Khonnum set Amunet permanently at the bank of the river Nile.
19. Now Khonnum continued to observe the environment. Then he found hematites and other ferrous objects.
20. Then he made other objects with the ferrous objects he had found. He made bows, arrows, ankhs, crowns, shapes of heads and many other images with the silts, clays and the ferrous objects which he had discovered.
21. And Khonnum was well respected and worshipped, being the first human in Egypt to make all manner of things.
22. Now his followers began to claim that it was Khonnum, Satet, Amunet and Ra who made the earth together and not Ra alone.
23. And the worship of Khonnum and his images spanned twenty-one centuries after his death.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Atheists Love Bashing Religion? by OtemAtum: 11:19pm On Feb 12, 2018

hahn:
And I am sure he never got banned for posting fake news

That's nairaland for you. They will ban you for speaking against an obvious scammer, but they will leave the scammer to keep scamming people.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by OtemAtum: 6:42pm On Feb 12, 2018

greiboy:
1)No one ever said that the encounter with the holy spirit is physical

Encounter with the holy spirit doesn't prove that God exists but it raises the possibility that God exists. It satisfies the christian mind. It give us assurance that we communicate with a supreme entity that we cannot see.

in the Bible, God didn't deceive Ahab, but he allowed a spirit of deceit to deceive him. Ahab was already told by a servant of God (Micaiah) that he will lose the war but he refused. Ahab preferred false prophecies that will confirm what he wanted to hear (1king 22:18)

2) I am not disputing that we are here to argue realities. I am arguing against you dismissing an abstract reality similar to yours. I.e. people question the existence of God, just like people question the existence of spirit and ghost.

Therefore, the believe in spirits just like the believe in God cannot be called a universal reality

3) So if everything came into existence at the same time, why do we have time? You actually believe you have existed before your mom gave birth you ? I don't think science can prove that

Anyways, scientists believe the formation of the earth and other planets was a gradual process. They believed that after the sun was created, smaller particles came together to form the earth and other parts of our solar system as a result of gravity. So in essence, they believed it was a gradual process

Anyways, I have proven that my faith in God is just as good as your believe in spirits, which was my aim

stay blessed

Thanks for your time. I like the way you dole out questions and answer the ones doled at you. Stay blessed too.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Atheists Love Bashing Religion? by OtemAtum: 6:31pm On Feb 12, 2018

danvon:
Lions fight each other, I can't believe you mentioned ants, ants have a military they fight wars exactly like humans they kill one another.
I agree with you but don't compare animals with humans

Lions also protect each other, same as ants too. Let's protect each other.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Atheists Love Bashing Religion? by OtemAtum: 6:29pm On Feb 12, 2018

danvon:
well by what you meant you mean we should care for one another, how exactly? My question is why would you be 'human' first? We're all animals durrh and last time I checked it's not Heaven in the jungle

You care for your species first. It makes sense that way.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Atheists Love Bashing Religion? by OtemAtum: 2:38pm On Feb 12, 2018

hahn:
I was on a 2 month ban for calling one dude that did a fake video of himself disappearing last year a fool. And another fool banned me

Lol, you mean the guy that was playing hide and seek with his camera phone? That video made my day that day aswear grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Atheists Love Bashing Religion? by OtemAtum: 2:37pm On Feb 12, 2018

danvon:
well by what you meant you mean we should care for one another, how exactly? My question is why would you be 'human' first? We're all animals durrh and last time I checked it's not Heaven in the jungle

Like animals of the same species don't care for one another or what huh

Haven't you heard of a pride of lion and a colony of ants before? We humans are animals of the same species, that's why we should care for one another too. We were all humans but religious and irreligious differences seem to be tearing us apart.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Question No One Has Been Able To Answer Me In The Bible by OtemAtum: 2:29pm On Feb 12, 2018

ericlove4all:
Brother
The answer to the question is not in the content of the Bible.

Lemme give u answers
1. Cain had a twin sister named luluwa
2. Abel is younger brother also has a twin sister named akerel

Cain twin sister was more pretty than Abel twin.

Before Abel was kill by Cain. Satan had appeared to Cain in the form of an old man and told Cain about their parents intention to give him Abel twin as his wife and give Abel as wife Cain's twin. Cain was not happy with that Revelation. Cain then ask the old man (Satan) where he came from. The old man reply that there are other people created by God apart from Adam and Eve and the reside far in the east.

So Cain took His own twin sister as wife after the death of Abel
Abel twin sister has to wait for several years and had Seth has her husband.

Hope your questions are answered.
PM me for more info

Christianity Etc › Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by OtemAtum: 2:20pm On Feb 12, 2018

greiboy:
logic is reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity if there is no validity, there is no logic and validity is not opinions or personal encounter, it is factual.

1) ii) You claimed not to have used science to dismiss logic flaws in religion, but you just stated in one of your previous post that assimilation improves grades, not God or religion to dismiss the role the supernatural can play in any exam

okay, maybe

[quote author= ]iii) What makes you think I haven't encounter holy spirit, why should anyone take your personal stories that cannot be independently verified as the truth, at least more than one person have ascertained the encounter with holy spirit[/quote]I have never said that people can't encounter whatever is called the holy spirit, but having encounter with it cannot be a physical encounter whereby it appears to you physically on earth. Maybe you encountered it through emotion, etc. However, having an encounter with the so-called holy spirit does not still prove that the god you worship is the universal one because the holy spirit itself could be telling you a big lie. For example, this holy spirit was said to tell all the prophets in the bible a lie in the days of Ahab. So I don't see a reason why the holy spirit can't be equated to a lying spirit though.

[quote author= ]Iv) I believe it is double standards because we as humans have different realities, You can't tell me your reality is more real than mine[/quote]Some realities are abstract, some are universally real. We are here to argue realities. If not, you guys won't be arguing the reality of the atheists with them, so don't take offence for challenging and criticising your reality. It is good for the brain.

[quote author= ]2) You have confused evolution and big bang theory with birth of a new born child.

if evolution means everything started existing at the same time and it only became visible when big enough to see?

Are you saying everything in the universe started existing at the same time?

Should that not mean that you existed before your mom conceived you?

Shouldn't that mean your existence is as old as your parents?

Why do we have time, age to separate us then?

What about other scientific evidence you deliberately omitted?

For example, the earth only came into existence some 4.54 billion years ago, while the universe came into existence some 13.7 billion years ago, Never mind some scientists theory of a multivesrse

So perhaps maybe a God or a absolute super power came into existence before the earth ?[/quote]Yes, everything in the universe started existing at the same time. As a consciousness, I actually existed before I was born by my parent into this world. Take Yeshua( whom I call Faulkin) as an example; before he was born into the earth, he is already existing. Same goes for everyone else and it validates the concept of reincarnation.
Time, age, etc becomes meaningless in some higher realms. It is here we see it as something meaningful. I will refer you to NDE's that were recorded. If you are in the Mercury, our age cannot be the same. There is even something called time dilation, it's deep.
Yes, the universe, according to the scientists, is 13.7billion years, is the same as saying that the time when the physical universe came about is 13.7billion years ago. Yes, the deeper universes (which I call the inner universes) are older than this physical universe you and I relate with. What we call 'the beginning' is not actually a finite beginning that started 6000years ago. It rather has no beginning and no end, same as energy(Existence, God, Matter) which was never created nor can be destroyed(science).

[quote author= ]3) Everything you wrote about spirits and ghost can be simply dismissed as illogical facts because nothing has been proven by science, the same reason why God or gods have been dismissed by atheist.[/quote]okay

[quote author= ]4) No, we are not equally as powerful as one another, that is why we have ranks and hierarchy like you have rightly stated In your post. I am not saying we don't all have powers of our own but they are definitely not equal, even among humans.[/quote]Well...I didn't say that we are more powerful or we are equal in power, but I actually said that we cannot tell. For example, to you, Yahweh could be seen as more powerful than myself, but I see myself as more powerful than him. Same way a Christian would say that he is more powerful than anything Islamic, because he sees Islam as the religion of the devil. So as I said earlier, power equality or inequality is subjective.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by OtemAtum: 11:20am On Feb 12, 2018

Mbcastrol:
Is like saying there's no voodoo

You don't really know what his definition of witches and wizards are.
As far as I am concerned, witches and wizards exist in quote and do not exist as well.

If your definition of witches and wizards are a set of people who can kill me and drink my blood spiritually, then such people don't exist. Dem no born them well.

But if the definition of witches and wizards are people who can psychologically make others around them fear them by rearing cats, collecting beads and cowries, keeping calabashes, dirty gourds, sleeping in an awkward posture, making incntations like one nairaland babalawos, etc and also make them dream fearful dreams by scaring them with threats which could lead to death, then I will go with you that such witches and wizards exist and anybody can do that.

So which of the witches and wizards do you think exist?

As for voodoo, it is just a kind of religion with false and exaggerated testimonies to make others fear them, same as Christianity with millions of invisible highly exaggerated testimonies without evidences. Same as traditional religions with exaggerated lies and testimonies.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by OtemAtum: 11:09am On Feb 12, 2018

greiboy:
1)if your believe in spirits is backed by mere possibility not probability, then your faith is just as good as mine. I.e. my belief is as good as your believe in spirits. otherwise science and logic can simply dismiss your stories as pure hallucinations. Why do you choose to use hard scientific evidence to dismiss the logical flaws in my religion? Isn't that double standards.

I don't do the belief stuffs, I only talk about what I know and I ave been a part of. I am not talking about probability here. Yes, science will dismiss my stories, but logic won't dismiss it, because everything I brought from the spiritual realm is logical. I don't remember using hard sciences to reveal the flaws in your religion, rather, I used commonsense and reality and it is not double standard because I am not into religion but into reality(reality is the sum total of logical, natural, supernatural and abstract experiences). So I can talk in the light of any or combinations of these elements since it is a component of reality.

[quote author= ]3) if God is everything including a person, like you claimed. Why can't I use the word "who" to classify God and more importantly, have you seen God in flesh before? or do you believe we are gods?[/quote]Well...personally, I think that when something is complicated, we use the word 'it' as a pronoun for it, then 'what' should go along with it. Anyway, that's my own opinion though and I use 'What is God?' rather than 'Who is God?' as soon as I realised that God is not just something that could be housed in any element of Existence but it is that EXISTENCE itself. There was a time I was viewing God as 'he' as well, but I have gone past that time due to my increase in the knowledge of God(Existence).

[quote author= ]I didn't say something existed before existence, I merely asked you what was the first thing to exist after the universe and realms was created? or do you believe everything in the universe came into existence at the same time, which will be going against scientific accounts of evolution.[/quote]Evolution only means 'change' so it does not invalidate the claim that everything existed at once. For example, a baby in the womb was first a mixture of a sperm and an egg. No matter how large the microscope you use to view that fertilized mixture in the womb, you will never see a distinct human-like eye, leg, nose, head, buttock etc from that mixture, yet everything was already there from the instance fertilization take place. Then by development, you begin to see the bodyparts physically with time till the time the baby is born. Same way is existence.
Existence(God) has always been. Then evolution beginning from the big bangs make it to expand and develop into the things which could be seen, yet all these things had been right there from beginning, but we only see them as a vacuum. So, it is not a wrong assertion to say that I, you, Allah, Yahweh, animals, rivers, our thoughts and this moment in time all existed together, then evolution or development brings us to the state of being known.

[quote author= ]I also will like to know if you believe all the entities in all our universe and realms are equal or have the same powers?[/quote]Power is the rate at which work is being done. The equality of power is what I may not know how to explain in the sense that I can't tell which of this two is more powerful; one was able to supply a vast amount of energy to the earth within six hours but it could not supply 13 billion years true history of the universe within a split second, but the other can do the latter but cannot do the former. Which of them can you term as the more powerful?
Or is it someone that can sing and make the whole world weep emotionally or the other that can deceive the whole world with illusions? Which of them is more powerful? I think the topic of power equality is subjective, however, I believe in rank and hierarchy, but anything can make itself as 'powerful' as the one above it in rank.

[quote author= ]Finally, do you believe in ghosts?[/quote]Nollywood ghosts that appear physically to you in our physical world is not real, but the ghosts you see in dreams or when your state of consciousness has been altered are real, because we don't die. We live forever.
We are ghosts to those who are no more here on earth and they are ghosts to us as well because of the differences in the realm where we operate. But the only way to see each other is when we are dreaming, meditating or when we deliberately or accidentally lose consciousness of our presence realms of operation.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Where Exactly Is Garden Of Eden??? by OtemAtum: 10:02am On Feb 12, 2018

OkaiCorne:
Definitely, Science has been extremely helpful in solving a lot of issues that might have been left in the realm of mysteries and I doff my hat for that... however, it's still a rapidly growing body of knowledge... and currently doesn't have answers to all of life's questions.

Science can never have answers to all of life's questions. If it has, then it means God(Existence) has been totally studied and there wouldn't be any more need to learn further. Existence is unlimited and infinite, so science will never get to know a significant explanation to existence forever and ever, yet what science have explained about Existence in a century is a billion times more than what all the religions of the world have been able to explain about existence in a billion years. Science is still the way forward.

Christianity Etc › Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by OtemAtum: 9:40am On Feb 12, 2018

greiboy:
1) So if the religions kept the truth about spirits away from humanity and it is only where we can find any empirical evidence on sprits, where have you find this your new revelations on spirits? How did you find the "truth" according you?

The day I saw into the spirit world through meditation was the day I ceased being a religious person.

[quote author= ]3) Meditation is scientifically proven, but it scientifically proven no to guide us into the spirit world. I believe it is used to remember events about our past and clear our minds. The only set of people who believed meditation can be used to enter the spirit world are religious Hindu or other religion from the east. There is no scientific evidence of astral projection, the claims of a scientific evidence of astral projection are pseudo scientific[/quote]Yes, they are called pseudoscience for now because they haven't been recognised or accepted by the mainstream science yet because their claims haven't been probed sufficiently yet to accept it. However, some scientists are already checking through it, for example, doctors and psychologists are already becoming interested in Near Death Experience studies, though all these still count as pseudoscientific to the mainstream science. It is a matter of time anyway. Nowadays, millions of people do spirituality without religion or even without talking about any god, I hope you know that.

[quote author= ]3) If religious God is a made up accident concept who lives in sky according to you, spirits can just be a made concept of our imagination too, since both spirits and God are supernatural. in fact, most religion believe God to be a spirit too. Christians call him the" holy" spirit[/quote]Who told you that God is limited to a supernatural being? You have been conditioned to believe so, but it is not so. If God is supernatural alone, then it cannot be THE GREATEST at the same time. Rather, GOD is both Natural, Supernatural, Physical, Material, Psychological, Cosmical(just name it). God is EXISTENCE itself and anything short of that is a limitation or reduction of the massiveness of God.

[quote author= ]if God is everything, then who is the leader of everything? Who was the first creature or entity to exist? Could the entity or being be God ?[/quote]By saying WHO, you are bringing in the notion that God should be like a human with eyes, nose, legs, mouth and anus, just like humans. In this way, you have reduced God to human. The first cause of Existence is EXISTENCE itself. Nothing could have existed without Existence. If you think that Odin or Allah, or Yahweh or Vishnu or Mazda, Olorun, Atum or Ra or any of these gods who are like us in appearance is the first cause, then we can as well go on to say that WHO CREATED THEM? If you say that any of these human-like gods I mention are not created(which is false) you can as well agree that EXISTENCE was not created(which is true).

I should have gone with the explanation of Atum on this issue, but I won't do that here.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by OtemAtum: 1:25am On Feb 12, 2018

greiboy:
hmm

1)Religion is a pseudo spirit stuff , yet religion was the first school of thought to acknowledge spirits. Jesus called them demon, prophet Mohammed ( peace be upon him)called them the Djinn and so on. The only set of written empirical paper on spirituality are religious books. Thus,the earliest sets of people who interacted with spirits do so with religion, So what changed?

What religion actaully did was to mutilate spirituality and give you a false version of the truth. The religious founders know the actual truth but they created a lie for you so that it could keep you away from accessing the actual truth while they alone have access to the actual truth. That's exactly what the founders of Christianity, Islam, etc did to you guys.

[quote author= ]2) That your rationalization still doesn't prove anything, if spirits are supposedly on other universe, how do humans manage to interact with them? why haven't science been able to tap into the link to lead humanity forward? That beats logic ?[/quote]Meditation is the key to interacting with spirit beings and meditation is scientific. Check online for scientific explanation of meditation, ASC, etc. Whoever meditates deeply, religious person or not, you tend to access the spiritual realms. Check astral projection, etc. So, religion is not a criteria to accessing the spiritual realms, it is simply by meditation and I do.

[quote author= ]In addition, it I were to accept your arguments on realms and universe, doesn't that mean God (a leader of realms or just the leader of most advanced realm) can exist? or at least raises the possibility?[/quote]What you call God is not what GOD is. What you call God is one primitive, anthropomorphic being in the name Yahweh who lives in the cloud, or the sky. But that is not GOD. Rather, God is EXISTENCE and EXISTENCE IS THE SUM TOTAL OF EVERYTHING THAT IS.

You, I, Yahweh, Allah, Moloch, Vishnu, Mazda, etc are just a very little fragment of EXISTENCE (God) and none of us can claim the wholesomeness of God.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Doctrine Of The Ufos by OtemAtum: 1:09am On Feb 12, 2018

Twenty-Six
1. Eshu was a homo sapiens born in Ile-Ife-si, which is in a country now named Nigeria.
2. He was born in the 90th year of the homo sapiens era. Now the name of his father was Beleke.
3. When Eshu was five years old, he dreamt and saw himself in another form performing many unspeakable tricks and deceptions.
4. Now Eshu awoke and began to do according to the things which he had seen in his dreams.
5. Sango was a friend of Eshu. He loved to play with fire and make the people fear him.
6. Sango made a pipe from a hollow stick and set fire at its mouth. Then he puffed in smoke.
7. Now when Sango had taken the hollow stick away from his mouth, he puffed out smoke from both his mouth and his nostrils.
8. Then the people were amazed such that they began to worship him, because they marvelled how the smoke came out of his nostrils.
9. Now Eshu and Sango were both tricksters and illusionists in those days, but Eshu was more deceptive.
10. In those days, it was forbidden for anyone to touch the coconut tree, because it was being worshipped as a god and the coconuts on it were believed to be poisonous.
11. But Eshu went and climbed secretly upon it fearlessly. Then when he was on top of it, he listened to the gossip of the people about him.
12. Then he cast the coconuts at those who spoke evil of him. But the people did not know that anyone was upon the tree.
13. And they brought sacrifices before the coconut tree, but Eshu took the sacrifices away to feed on them.
14. Then he went to the houses of those who brought the sacrifices, saying, your sacrifices have been accepted, worship me as from now and I will protect you.
15. Now Eshu presented himself as the spirit within the coconut tree and the people believed him.
16. Now when he had begun to secretly eat a coconut, he noticed oil coming out of it.
17. Then he extracted the oil, for he knew what to do with the oil.
18. It was Sango who found Eshu eating coconuts. And he said, I will report you, Eshu the son of Beleke, to Oduduwa and Obatala our ancestors.
19. Have they not commanded us not to go near the sacred coconut tree? But you did not only go near it, but you did climb the tree and ate the coconuts upon it.
20. Now Eshu said, I have extracted oil from the coconuts, take it and keep my secret.
21. So Sango took the pure coconut oil and began to rub it upon his hair. Then he collected ten coconuts from Eshu so that he could extract the oils from them.
22. Now Eshu said to himself, I will put Sango to shame quickly. So he went to their ancestors who were still alive and told them that Sango had broken the rules.
23. Then Oduduwa and Obatala sent five homos to follow Eshu to the house of Sango. When they had found the house, they saw Sango as he broke the coconuts.
24. Then Sango was taken to the hill of Oduduwa to be judged. Now Sango was sent out of the land for disobeying the elderly people who commanded that there should not be anyone going near a coconut tree.
25. So Sango went far away from the land of Ile-Ife-si and began to live in a place which he named after himself.
26. There he ate coconuts and rubbed the oil of the coconuts on his hair such that his hair soon began to become soft and long.
27. Then he began to plait his hair. And Sango was the first person to plait his hair in the whole land of the Yoruba people of modern day Nigeria.
28. Now after the death of Oduduwa and Obatala, Eshu said to the people, I have power over all the coconuts on the tree.
29. I cannot die by eating the nuts because I am the spirit behind the coconut tree.
30. When they heard what Esu had said, they gathered to watch him as he would pluck the coconuts.
31. Now Eshu plucked nine coconuts and broke them, then he ate them before the people.
32. Now when he did not die by eating the coconuts, the people began to worship him as a god. Then they called him Oro-igi.
33. So the worship of Eshu went far into many centuries after.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Doctrine Of The Ufos by OtemAtum: 11:40pm On Feb 11, 2018

Chapter Twenty-Five
1. Mama-Brasil was a female born at the border of the land now called Peru and Brazil in the 115th year of the homo sapiens era.
2. Now she was the person who discovered the Brasil nut. She was a hunter and a gatherer of fruits.
3. She hunted at the appearance of the full moon and then when the moon had become like a crescent, she went to gather fruits.
4. When Mama-Brasil had gathered many fruits, she saw among them a strong one which she had picked from the floor.
5. Now when she had broken it and ate it, she loved the taste of it. Then she said, from which tree did this fruit fall?
6. When she had found out, she knew that it was from a very tall tree.
7. Now the tree had been declared sacred by her ancestors because no one had been able to climb it to pluck its fruit before.
8. For five strong men in five different periods had tried to climb it, but the fruits on it fell on their heads and killed them.
9. Now Mama-Brasil set her eyes at the top of the tree. Then she began to climb it.
10. When she was halfway the tree, some people saw her and were amazed.
11. Now she climbed to the top and shook the tree such that many of the fruits fell off.
12. Then she descended the tree and everyone who saw her bowed their heads before her abd worshipped her.
13. Now she broke the nuts and fed them with the edible parts. Then the people loved the taste of it.
14. Now they said, only Mama-Brasil has authority over the tree, so she alone will be the climber of that tree.
15. Then they named the tree Brasil, after her name. And she was worshipped by the people of the land and neighboring lands who came to trade their skins and horns with the fruits.
16. Now a day came when Mama-Brasil went to the foot of the tree to take air, a fruit fell on the centre of her head and she died.
17. Then a law was made, saying, let no one go close to the tree henceforth, for it is the tree of the gods.
18. Now only the priests were allowed access to the Brasil nut trees in those days.
19. However, Mama-Brasil was worshipped for eleven centuries after, because she was the first person to taste the fruit and climb the tree.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by OtemAtum: 11:23pm On Feb 11, 2018

greiboy:
On the other hand, humans constantly interact with spirits, and there is no empirical evidence to suggest that humans evolved from spirits. Except religion which you don't believe in

Thus, your logic doesn't track

You should have seen that I said that I HAVE SEEN INTO THE SPIRIT WORLD several times, yet I am not religious. Religion is a pseudo spiritual stuff, not the spirituality itself. That's why we have thousands of religion today, trying to play hide and seek with our lives. I don't need religion to see or interact with the spirit world. All I need is SCIENCE.

[quote author= ]3) I brought up the spirituality because I wanted you to use logic and science to explain its existence, since you have countered another possible supernatural phenomenon with logic.[/quote]Now see how I will rationalise the spirituality for you; EXISTENCE(GOD) came with diverse realms and universes. One of the numerous universes is where the earth where we are is located. There are other realms in the universes where other beings like us or unlike us are. There are afterlives we go when we cease living on earth.

Read the DOCTUFOS OF TRUTH which I brought back from my spiritual journey for more details:

https://www.nairaland.com/2938907/doctrine-ufos/66#62568678

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Christianity Etc › Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by OtemAtum: 11:12pm On Feb 11, 2018

awesomeJ:
Now you pass brilliantly, and you attribute it to your nature and reading pattern which I don't dispute at all.

But since I actually was that brother a couple of years ago, I am saying, the reason for my good success that semester was God's influence. Do you think you need to dispute that?

I didn't state the experience to demonstrate a Christian formula for success. I only wanted to counter your argument of saying success has nothing to do with spirituality. So that experience of mine confirms to at least myself that your argument doesn't hold.

However like I said, it's not a success formula, so it won't work at all times for every one. if it would, I would have had that same excellence all through. But it's an experience that has well demonstrated to me that a spiritual influence can pretty much effect success.

Do you know how many times scientists carry out experiments before they establish it as a fact? That thing had to have happen to you for at least six times before it can be established as a fact. As a matter of fact, whether spirit influences success or not, I won't advocate such ideology because it breeds laziness. Let the spirits be helping themselves to succeed in their spiritual realms, we will succeed if we follow our own principles of success.
Pls don't teach your children to fast and pray for academic success o. Tell them to read their books and be in a good psychological frame of mind instead. Peace.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by OtemAtum: 10:33pm On Feb 11, 2018*

awesomeJ:
Oh, great.
How about for a course in engineering which stopped about 16 out of about 90 students from graduating in the session before your final year.
Now, it's your own final year, you are to take the course, you're aware of how challenging it can be, you see those 16 students taking some lectures with you now, and you're aware what the course did to them in the prior year. Throughout the semester you made efforts at attending some of the lectures, and you went through a few portions of the course material and past questions. One day to the exam it was very clear to you that you weren't prepared to even scale 20% of the exam. So you spoke with some of the brightest folks in the class to have a tutorial organized for it the night before the exam. the exam would be for 8:30 the following morning.
Now that evening before the tutorial, you had to be in church for finance convention, and against your projection, pastor taught for quite long. so by the time you got to the tutorial venue, you were surprised to see that quite a number of folks made it but you could only be there for 30minutes, as they were already rounding up. The next morning, before the exam, you had to be in church for early morning worship. And owing to how late you left church and a little early morning traffic, you got to the exam hall about 20minutes into the exam.

In the end, you made an A despite your poor preparations, please tell me what factors made you score an A.
Also note that in that very semester when you chose to pay the most attention to church stuffs, you actually had As in 7out of the 8courses graded, giving you thee best GPA in the class.

And just before you think it's smartness or a lenient grading system, note that there had been semesters when you had 3.85/5.00, 3.27/5.00, 3.43/5.00, and at a time only about 10 students out of 85 in the class had a CGPA of 3.50 or higher.

If this happened to 1 out of 20 spiricoco in my church, it is called coincidence, but if it happened to all the 20 spiricoco in the church, then I can start having a rethink.

As a matter of fact, that brother whom you describe above is someone like me. Even when I had A's I had it when I was least prepared. I dont read for the whole semester. I read only very close to exam period and i still get A's in some subjects. It is my way of doing things. If i read from the beginning of the semester, I will forget what I av read before writing any test or exam.

Now someone will see me and start thinking that I got my A's because of one thing, one thing. I pity the person. It's only I who know myself that I KNOW HOW TO ASSIMILATE UNDER PRESSURE WHEN EXAM IS CLOSE.

The best thing is to discover yourself and follow it. Don't go and be thinking that doing church things is the reason why one bro somewhere did very well and you want to try it too. What if bro is just like me, who can assimilate within few hours to exams but can't assimilate when exams are still far away? I pity person wey wan copy me. He or she go just 'larimo' grin

note: I have heard the lamentations of many church people who said that they did as the bro above did when they were in school, but they failed woefully and are regretting it today.

In summary, we are different in the manner we assimilate. Some can grab within few hours while some have to attend all lectures, tutorials and still read overnight before they can pass. Some even can pass by mere attending lectures and listening to the lecturers without going back to their notes.

IF ALL THE WORKERS, SAY ABOUT 50 OF THEM, IN A PARTICULAR CAMPUS FELLOWSHIP CAN MAKE SUCH GOOD RESULT AS YOU DESCRIBE ABOVE AFTER SPENDING TIME IN CHURCH ACTIVITIES, THEN I WILL HAVE NO REASON NOT BELIEVING THAT IT IS THE WORK OF A god(Yahweh).

But if it is 2 or 3 out of the fifty of them, then it has nothing to do with any god, but the capability and the personalities of those people.
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Christianity Etc › Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by OtemAtum: 10:14pm On Feb 11, 2018

greiboy:
I have never really being to this section before, but I find your arguments intriguing

So in essence, you believe there is no spiritual entity in the world,? you believe everything can be explained with logic and science?

Are you a Nigerian?

Do you believe there is a jungle? If yes, do you believe that the lions and tigers in the jungle are the ones controlling the life outside the jungle.

That a spiritual world exist does not mean that this physical world is solely controlled by the species who live there. As a matter of fact, our own actions here have more impact on the spiritual world than how theirs affect ours. How about that?

I have seen the spiritual world several times and I won't hype them, they are minding their own business most of the time. They are way more advanced than pokenosing into petty issues of our earthly life such as education, examination, sexual life, etc. It's we here on earth that need to wisen up and accept responsibilities.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by OtemAtum: 9:06pm On Feb 11, 2018

iamgenius:
@awesomeJ, You have no proof up there. I'm a Muslim. Atheists are materialistic people, they only believe in Material things of this world. You can't convince them with miracles only. They don't know that every success and failure of this world can be achieved by WORLDY means.

Like if you want to pass an exam you have to read for that. If you don't write the exam well, you may fail. That's what atheists believe in. They forgot that even if you read very well to pass the exam, you may even fail. Anything can hinder your progress or success.

Here are the lists of what can cause one's failure even after reading very well for tests:

1. Psychological imbalance- she read well, understood well, got to the exam hall and began to remember the fight her father fought with her mum that morning, or the divorce suit her parents would go through same day, etc.
2. Bad luck- Got to the exam hall, did it well but his paper got missing physically by falling off unnoticed by the class rep or lecturer.
3. Loss of memory- he read well but exam tension took away what he as already stored in his memory.
4. Bad lecturer/Teacher: he asked her out, she turned him down. He failed her. She was rewriting another course. He told his friend to also fail her because she turned him down. She kept on failing.

...and the list goes on...

No god, be it Yahweh or Allah, can make anybody fail or pass his or her exams, but human beings can make you either pass or fail. #FACT

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Forces Of Yahweh Against Mother Earth Millions Of Years Back by OtemAtum(op): 7:43pm On Feb 11, 2018*

solite3:
come out of darkness

I am the Light of God Almighty, sent into darkness to bring everlasting illumination and no god, be it Allah, Yahweh....no god can stop me from shinning. May the light of God shine on you, Ase!

Christianity Etc › Re: If You Asked To Spend A Day With One Person In Bible Who Will You Choose? by OtemAtum: 3:48pm On Feb 11, 2018

patrickkkk:
I didn't frame him up!!! It is from a research I made about him. One of d materials I made d research from about Nicolas is book of REVELATION in d bible ...Rev 2:6 and Rev 2:15-16 I also researched from other materials aside d bible.

False researches everywhere. Anyway, the truth has come to stay.

Christianity Etc › Re: If You Asked To Spend A Day With One Person In Bible Who Will You Choose? by OtemAtum: 2:43pm On Feb 11, 2018

patrickkkk:
So Jesus didn't prophesized technology? I believe Nicolas was rejected because he preached and admonished people to act like animal...where one female will be for all men and other way round. It means a man can have sexual intercouse with other people's wives and a woman is free to have sexual intercourse with other people's husbands.

This is falsehood. Nicolas never said all these. why do you delight in framing him up? Read the Doctufos of truth for the truth about Nicolas and stop peddling lies. cool

Christianity Etc › Re: If You Asked To Spend A Day With One Person In Bible Who Will You Choose? by OtemAtum: 2:03pm On Feb 11, 2018

godisgood200:
You certainly wrote that didn't you. Anyways, to whom you yield yourself to, you become a servant to obey.

The choice is yours, you shall enjoy your outcome.

Pls don't quote me again. I observe people avoid you.

Here is actually the history book where I got it from. https://www.nairaland.com/2938907/doctrine-ufos
Yes some people are scared of the truth and they avoid the truth but it has come to stay. Peace.

Christianity Etc › Re: Did You Know: The History Of Christianity Can Be Traced To Only Roman Catholic? by OtemAtum: 12:40pm On Feb 11, 2018

See disagreement in the body of Christ. cool

Christianity Etc › Re: Homo Sapiens, See Your Histories by OtemAtum(op): 12:38pm On Feb 11, 2018

Chapter Twenty-Six
1. A homo sapiens of Greece who descended a hill was Pan.
2. Now Pan was very hairy from the top of his head to the top of his feet.
3. Now Pan found a mountain goat and took it with him. When the homo sapiens of the valley saw him with a mountain goat, they worshipped him.
4. Now Pan became their god and taught them languages and also how to hunt.
5. Now Pan said, spare the goats and do not kill them whenever you go hunting.
6. So Pan domesticated the goats and so did the homo sapiens of Greece.
7. Pan also domesticated the sheep, chickens and all manner of weak animals which were found in the wild.
8. Now Pan cultivated a field and grazed animals upon it. And he was the father of all shepherds in Greece.
9. Now a lowlands dwelling homo sapiens named Echo, who was taught how to sing by Pan became his wife.
10. Now the voice of Echo was great and sweet. And many homo sapiens were lured by her songs such that they had sex with her.
11. And Pan said to her, I gave you voice, but you have begun to use it against me. I shall take back this voice which I have given to you if you continue to go after the men. When Echo did not cease, Pan went and took in female goats. And he mated with them. Then Echo lost her voice when she saw how she had been replaced by goats.
12. In those days, Apollo, another hill-dwelling homo sapiens, became the friend of Pan.
13. And in those days, Apollo was a great singer himself. And he had told the people to do good.
14. Now he had observed that Pan often predicted the future correctly. So he went to him and demanded to know the secret.
15. And Pan said, look into the past through the eyes of the stars. Go and ponder and meditate, so shall you see both the past and the future.
16. Now Pan died when he was eighty-two years, for he had obtained a disease from the goats which he mated with. And Apollo wept bitterly.
17. And Apollo married Echo who was very aged. And she had no child for Apollo but she had ten children for Pan.
18. Now Apollo taught the people about the sun, moon and stars. And the people worshipped him because of his great knowledge.

Christianity Etc › Re: Homo Sapiens, See Your Histories by OtemAtum(op): 12:34pm On Feb 11, 2018

Chapter Twenty-Five
1. Freya was a reincarnated homo sapiens who discovered herself upon a hill.
2. Now when she had climbed down the hill, she found a homo sapiens around the foot of the hill.
3. Now Freya was very beautiful and had a sweet voice. Then she sang and the male homo sapiens whom she found at the foot of the tree bowed to worship her.
4. Then Freya spoke and taught the male homo sapiens some languages.
5. Now the name of the lowland-dwelling homo sapiens was Jirden.
6. Now Jirden loved her and made her pregnant. Then Freya had four babies at once.
7. Now more homos began to come towards the land. And Jirden took them to his wife.
8. And all they who gathered fruits began to make offerings of fruits to her. And the hunters went also to hunt animals and bring them to her feet to be blessed by her.
9. And they gave her portions of the meat which they had brought before her.
10. Now when Odin met Freya, she loved him because he was handsome and tall.
11. And they spoke with one another and began to mate together.
12. Now Freya left her husband and went away with Odin to his land where he was being worshipped.
13. And Odin said, this is my wife from the sky. Worship her even as you worship me.
14. Pray to her when you are barren and she will give you children.
15. So the people worshipped her and sang songs in her honour.
16. Now Freya took care of the women who were in labour. And she mixed the herbs together and gave them to drink.
17. And many hunters were wooed by Freya such that they mated. And Odin kept her in a cave and rolled a stone to block the entrance, saying, I shall not share my wife with anyone.
18. Now Odin died, leaving Freya shut up in the cage. And she sang songs.
19. Then two homo sapiens named Gerd and Rudh heard her voice and rolled the stone away.
20. Then she offered them sex for their help. Now Freya had many children.
21. She had twelve for Jirden, eighteen while she was with Odin(for she had quadruplet twice).
22. She also had two children each for Gerd and Rudh. And she died in the one hundred and seventeenth year.

Christianity Etc › Re: Deep Knowledge Of Eartum, The Civilized Brother Of Yahweh by OtemAtum(op): 12:32pm On Feb 11, 2018

Chapter Thirteen
1. I asked Zugi saying, how do you keep the homos which you made here in check? How do they keep on digging out minerals for the construction of the large mass even while none of you gods is with them physically?
2. He said, we have ordained priests among them to control them and to threaten them with destruction.
3. Enlil and Anu said to them through one of the priests, if you homos of Nobru cease to dig the minerals in the day and in the night and cease to worship us, then shall the earth, which is a very large mass, come upon your planet and strike it and grind it to pieces.
4. They have also told them that they are the First Cause who created the planet and the sky.
5. They did not let the homos know that there are other planets apart from this Nobru, because they know that if the homos know this, they shall begin to think of how to explore such planets.
6. Therefore they did tell the homos that there are only two places, namely the Nobru below and the Anunenku above.
7. When Zugi said this, I said, this portion of the Nobru which you name the Anunenku is where we are at this time, but it is not above the Nobru but you say that it is above the Nobru. Is this not deceit?
8. Zugi said, if we let the homos know that we dwell on the same Nobru with them, they shall not respect us.
9. When Zugi said this, I remembered how some of my brothers on earth also lived upon the mountains and on the hilly places while they said to the homos that they lived in paradises in the sky.
10. For so was Eden the place of Yahweh and Elon the place of El, which they told the people about as if they were located in the skies above the earth.
11. I asked Zugi saying, what name do the people call God? He said, they call God by the same name Anunenku which is the combinations of our names.
12. When he said so, I understood him, because I knew so well how the gods did form quartets, trinities and dualities to rule a set of homos together as one god.
13. For at this moment on earth, it is El who has taken over many places and has made the people see God as Elohim after his own name.
14. For he and Faulkin united together in one and they go about with the name Elohim.

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