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MaxInDHouse:
Your obsession with Jehovah's Witnesses is the problem you have but somehow you haven't realize it.

Can you remember a thread where i began insulting anyone simply because we are chatting!

Well that's where you lied without giving it a second thought:

Here we go again with the name calling.

Why should I be obsessed with a religion that has been proven to be a cult by the BITE model standard?

It's almost like going back to my own vomit.

Your reciept is all over NL

I was just calling you out for feeling offended when you were paid in your own coin.

cornelboy:
Educator

Where is the lie?

MaxInDHouse:
I may get provoked and responded to insults by insulting the person but this particular person started as if he needs to know what i feel about the topic and i told him i'm 100% OK with what the OP said. He later asked another question and i responded friendly but then he ended up calling me "mad"

I don't think there's anything that could have warranted that after all i've answered his questions friendly as he began without insults.

But on many occasions you have insulted people and called them names on this forum without any warrant.

This should be a lesson to you.

Don't do to other people what you wouldn't want another person to do to you.

Cheers!

MaxInDHouse:
Please why can't you chat tactfully without the highlighted?
I RESPECTED you that's why i responded to your post, so must you call me names for chatting with you?

Lol

I amazed seeing you asking for respect.

When you have on multiple threads insulted people and called them names.

I am surprised that you're complaining about been called Mad Max.

Wow!

cornelboy:
Were you a JW too?

Does it matter?

achorladey:
Na to dey give people labels, tags and names not solicited for dem sabi.

Person wey sey e never become Jehovah’s witnesses dey call me FUGITIVE

This their kind of thinking get as e be. The guy don declare me WANTED for im area or the religious organization he belongs don declare me WANTED.

God airpus

Just allow am.

Him think say na by wetin dem de tell am for him book study sessions.

Them no de tell person.

Experience is the best teacher.

achorladey:
I remember I told you I am looking for where to go

Now that you know that I was a JW in time past you crave and long to see my post

fugitive

A fugitive is someone who is running away or hiding, usually in order to avoid being caught by the police.




Na to just type without proofreading.

I never knew I was running away from cornelboy or avoiding being caught by cornelboy

In reality where you never reach I was there before you

Lol.

Comrade no loud am.

Just one spark and that place can catch fire!!

When will people learn?

Modified

Na palm oil oo

Lol.

When they are exposed, they start screaming persecution!!

ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS.

Believe everything you see online at own risk.

AntiChristian:
Is Jehovah witness a cult?

By following the BITE model, the answer is a resounding YES.

They are a cult/high controlled group

cornelboy:
Lol how old is the cuneiform tablets from Mesopotamia and how old is the dead sea scrolls?

The answers to your questions are just a Google search away.

cornelboy:
Lol who wrote those ancient history books and why did you conclude that there's a God that create this earth and Oteneaaron believed there's no God that we humans created God when you read the same atheist books and did the same research

You read, but do not understand.

cornelboy:
Thanks
Which ancient history is legit than the Bible

Don't speak like an ignorant person.

The Bible is very young when compared to the ancient cuneiform tablets from Mesopotamia.

Where do you think the story of Adam and Eve, Nephilim, the flood and Noah's ark were gotten from?

There is soo much you don't know about.

If only you would take the time to study ancient history.

You will understand why many things happening today, are the way they are.

You will understand why religion was started in the first place.

I can share a few books about ancient history with you if you're interested.

Never forget that the future lies in the past.

cornelboy:
So your Bible mentioned shiva and Allah to be the sons of God shey?

What's the first two commandments of the ten commandments the one true GOD gave to Moses?

Hashem for Jews, baba come on stop it na?

Allah that Muslims believe to be their God the creator is now son of god, if they catch you?

The TRUE GOD of Israel is Jehovah (YHWH) and there's literally no other true GOD besides Him.

You don't know God baba, you just blabbering around.
Oteneaaron once gave the same idea and say God didn't exist that we created God.
But you craftily declare that you believe in a God that created the universe.

It shows that both of you read the same atheist book, are you fooling us that you believe in a god?

Lol.

Your definition of GOD is only limited to what you know about the God of the bible.

A simple research into ancient history, and you would have been exposed to his true identity.

He is also known as the DEMIURGE or ENLIL (from ancient Sumeria/Mesopotamia).

He is NOT the INFINITE MIND behind the universe.

He gets angry, has sponsored countless genocides, is jealous, is backing a CULT, picks sides, prefers his adherents to be gullible and indoctrinated.

And just like I have said before, he is just a creation of our minds, to explain away the things we don't understand.

But there is an INFINITE MIND behind every single thing.

It is neither a he nor she, and dwells deep inside every single person no matter your religion nor race - we are all equal.

So if you are calling someone an Atheist because they don't believe in the literal God of the Bible, then the joke is on you.

Go and read about these ancient cuneiform tablets from ancient Mesopotamia :

1. The Enuma Elish and

2. The Attrahasis.

Until you do this research, you never understand what I have said so far.

Cheers.

RussellRutherfo:


So what you want us to do is leave the compassionate and high moral person of Jesus Christ whose teachings far exceeded the cultural and knowledge of any age and time.

Who is asking you forgo your beliefs?

Do even know what MYTH and ALEGORIES truly connotate in the context of this debate?

You still haven't given me any evidence that proves he(Jesus) was an actual figure in history.

I am still waiting.

RussellRutherfo:


So what you want us to do is leave the compassionate and high moral person of Jesus Christ whose teachings far exceeded the cultural and knowledge of any age and time for your non-existent Emerald tablets and nonsensical "Egyptian/Greek/Islamic Arabic"(no one actually knows the authenticity).

You see how cults, heretical, paganistic conspiracy religions like Islam, Jehovah witness(Russelities) are formed?!!

MaxInDHouse, you and oteneaaron are from the same camp of Satan.

Lol.

Say what you must.

He even claims I am from the camp of "Satan"

You are obviously not a student of Ancient History.

Do even know the true identity of the "Satan" you speak about?

Hahahahaha

I am still waiting for your debunking of my other points.

1. Show me Archeological evidence,

2. An explanation of why the Gospels contradict each other, and

3. Evidence to prove that the Gospels are "eye witness" accounts.

Thanks.

RussellRutherfo:
Take many of the fictional points you raised and apply them to Hermes Trismegistus that you are a student of and you will see in contrast to Jesus. You believe in a fictional character while the historicty of Jesus Christ is a sure fact.

In 1614, Isaac Casaubon, a Swiss philologist, analyzed the Greek Hermetic texts for linguistic style. He concluded that the writings attributed to Hermes Trismegistus were not the work of an ancient Egyptian priest but in fact dated to the second and third centuries CE.[27][28]

If you were truly a student of ancient history, you would have known that "Hermes Trismegistus" is only a Greek recreation/reincarnation of Thoth/Tehuti who was the Egyptian god of wisdom and language.

According to ancient history Thoth/Tehuti was an Atlantean priest King who arrived at ancient Khem/Egypt after Atlantis sunk.

According to the Emerald Tablets, it was he who built the Great Pyramid of Giza and not Pharoah Kufre.

The same Toth/Tehuti/Hermes Trismegistus is also a reincarnation of Quetzalcoatl (mind my spelling) of the ancient Mayan and Aztec ultures of the Americas.

Go Figure!

MaxInDHouse:
I shouldn't be the one to answer for you that's my own conclusion regarding this argument of no practical benefits.
I have nothing against you that's why i said it's just how you and i feel about Jesus' historicity.
But since you've refused to make yourself clear on the matter it's obvious you're looking for supporting team and there's none for you because everyone here claims they believe in God even though you're saying you created yours and only 22jumpsteeet felt Jesus never existed.
I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses, a million liars and hypocrites aren't enough to stop me from speaking boldly and confidently about Jesus of Nazareth the world's most wonderful counselor, the greatest man who ever lived!
So keep your research where it belongs: in your empty skull!

Lol.

You still didn't show me undeniable proof that Jesus was a real figure in history who actually existed.

You still didn't show me archeological evidence to show he existed.

You still didn't explain why the Gospels contradict each other, when they are supposed to be "eye - witness" accounts.

MaxInDHouse:
Well OP said you guys created God.
So Jesus' case has been settled now because it's Max's feelings against oteneaaron's and nothing more!

You finally answered your question by yourself!

Congratulations!

You made it!

RussellRutherfo:
What's the source of where you copied these questions from?

I didn't "copy the questions" from anywhere.

These are conclusions from the extensive research I have done.

Are you in essence asking for references to my research material?

I am expecting a debunk of each of the points I raised.

Thanks.

cornelboy:
Ọnà story story story no de end. Horus ko horror ni.

Oteneaaron Present the full myths on Horus written on the stone and let's compare it to the gospels.

How did Matthew Luke John and mark get access to the stone and decode what was written on it?

I thought I have asked you find this out for yourself.

You got access the internet don't ya?

A simple Google and YouTube would help.

Or do you want me point you to some research material you can go study yourself?

RussellRutherfo:
I don't know who you are but your Horus fables and tales have been debunked severally. You are not stating anything relevant. Individuals like Michael of Inspiring Philosophy has many videos on these subjects debunking these lies plus even Atheist Scholars like Dr. Bart Erhman that the Muslims love to quote agree on the historicty of Jesus Christ. Only foolish Kemets and the likes who love to deny historical facts like the Holocaust deniers deny that Jesus Christ never came in flesh.

You have no point. Even though, I think MaxDHouse belongs to the JW Cult. This is not for debates. Even Secular scholars do not dispute the historicty of Jesus Christ.

It's good to know your own POV on this issue.

Just like I did with Max, can you kindly debunk any of the points I've laid bare earlier on this debate?

Here is summary of the points I made earlier:

Here is my own summary. - you can pick each point and prove me wrong.

Did Jesus really exist or is he just a myth?


My answer was NO - he never existed and is just a myth and these were my reasons:

1. The earliest text in the new testament was the letters of Paul, which was written a few decades after the "death" of Jesus.

But when studying the words of Paul, he never made mention to an actual literal Jesus.

He only referred to Christ-in-you, a spiritual Christ and not a physical man.

Why would he do that if Jesus actually did exist and he only died a few decades before Paul wrote his letters?

2. The first recorded Gospel, was that of Mark - and he throughout his work, he never spoke about the birth of Jesus.

More so, there is no record to show that Mark was an actual eye witness to the life and times of Jesus.

Another major problem was that the other Gospels of Mathew and Luke are basically plagarised copies of Mark.

Why would Mathew and Luke who were supposed to be eye witnesses copy almost word for word from Mark who himself was not even an eye witness?

It is also on record that the authors of the Gospel of Mathew and Luke were not really the disciples of Jesus.

So who really wrote these Gospels?

3. Why do the Gospels contradict each other if they were all eye witnesses to the life and times of Jesus?

For one, these guys saw Jesus with their own eyes and still, their stories cannot correlate - why?

A careful study of the Gospels features a different type of Jesus for every account.

If he really did exist, and these writers were eye witnesses, then surely their stories should NEVER contradict each other in the first place.

Did Jesus really exist based on archeological findings?

This is another resounding NO - till date there is no reliable archeological finding that proves Jesus actually existed.

MaxinDhouse mentioned that Josephus Flavius spoke about Jesus in the Antiquities of the Jews.

But that was debunked as well.

We found out that is was just a forgery worked on by the dubious Bishop Eusebius of Caeserra 300 years after the actual Antiquities were first written.

But Max made a u-turn and said Josephus spoke about John the baptist.

I still ask, does the mention of John Baptist now prove that Jesus actually did exist?

Another resounding NO.

So this means that there is NO actual archeological proof to show that Jesus actually did exist.

I also spoke of a Major event mentioned in the Gospels, that happened the day Jesus died - we learn that there was an eclipse, dead people were littered the streets, there was an earthquake, and the curtain in the holy of holes was ripped apart.

Till date, there is NO actual record in history that mentions the above event, even though we know that millions of people were alive at that time.

So does this also prove that Jesus existed?

Another resounding NO.


Is the life and teachings of Jesus original or are they copied from HORUS of ancient Egypt?

The answer is another resounding NO.

The story of Jesus is not unique, neither is it original.

I spoke about the Rosetta Stone that was found in the early 1800s by an officer in Napoleons army.

This Rosetta Stone has been the tool many historians and archeologists have been able to use to translate the hieroglyphics on the walls and texts from ancient Egypt.

And a careful study of the temple of Luxor in Egypt has shown that HORUS who predates the Bible and Jesus by over 2000 years, has a very uncanny life and story similar to Jesus.

Just like HORUS, Jesus was born of a virgin, born on 25th December, gave a sermon on the mount, resurrected after 3 days, etc.

So who copied who?

Obviously, the ancient Egyptian mystery religion came first and is the source from which every other religion including Christianity owes its roots.

I am very open to interjections from anyone who will prove any of my points wrong.

Please prove me wrong.

I really want to be proven wrong.

Thanks.

budaatum:
No, I am not a Mason. One does not enter Apprenticeship and remain there forever, for that is like passing out of primary school but remaining there instead of advancing to secondary school and then university.

I get you.

If I may ask, how far along are you on this journey? - That is from being an apprentice and climbing up the degrees of the Fraternity.

How much access to ancient knowledge from antiquity have you personally had access to?

In your honest opinion, is Freemasonry as an organization working towards the good of humanity as a whole, and if yes - HOW?

I am curious.

budaatum:
The fact you posted a video shows how little research you actually have done, and a simple search on Nairaland would show you how much more research you could have done instead of allowing yourself to be led "far down this rabbit hole".

You are not even aware that going down rabbit holes implies you've gone on a pointless journey that's "led" you to false conclusions. The "led" even shows you are just parroting what you've been led to believe instead of doing the research yourself.

JWs are very ignorant about Freemasonry for starts, which shouldn't be the case if they were tied. You'd know this if you had done the research you claim you did.

You do have a point and I must admit that.

But instead of discounting my research, how do explain the Masonic Symbology that is littered in the works of the founder of the organization Charles Taze Russell?

Even after reading some of the books he wrote like the "Finished Mystery" and the "Divine plan of the ages" , I found out that he based his calculations and teachings of the 1914 end-of-the-wold doctrine based on his study of Great Pyramid of Giza.

The 1914 end of the world prediction turned out to be false though.

So what is the reason for all the Masonic symbology and paraphernalia if he didn't have ties to Freemasonry?

Are there misconceptions about the Freemasonry that I may be guilty of, Yes - I agree.

So I ask you, can you kindly clear the air on the misconceptions many people like myself may have about Freemasonry?

If not, kindly point me to information I can access to clear this misconception.

Cheers!

22jumpstreet:
You don't understand anything that is why they are bullying you.

God created the universe.

God created man...and gave him dominion over his creation. The only thing he gave us is the laws to make the job easier for us. The laws of existence. The same law he gave to all of mankind.

Don't steal
Don't kill
Don't covet
Don't worship idols (likeness of anything in heaven, on earth and under the waters below the earth, worshipping a man which is the likeness of what is found on earth is prohibetted) my emphasis.
Don't bear false witness.
Try and rest at least one day of the week. Preferably the last day of the week..


So why the Budden of what Mark said or Paul said?

He still doesn't understand what a MYTH and ALLEOGORY mean in this concept.

The concept of a KRST or God-in-man is not unique to Christianity and has always existed way into ancient antiquity.

The Africans of ancient Egypt/Kemet have always known this truth.

No wonder everything was written in STONE.

It was as if they knew a time would come when their teachings would be stolen and given to a fictional figure who never even existed.

See the stone statue below showing Isis/Meri and the baby Horus/Iusa

Compare that to the figure of Mary and the baby Jesus.

Which came first?

This video is thought provoking.

It picks on some of the things I've mentioned previously, and goes even deeper on some other points.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlLHrhXWgj8

Let me know what you think.

achorladey:
Let me explain the below better.....



No,

he not only attacked that moniker repeatedly and he equally applied unhealthy words and attacked the parents of that moniker as well.

Common around the southwest is when two people fight they will rather abuse their parents instead of theirselves who are the two fighters.

So what I am saying he has no regard for the parents of that moniker despite knowing the discussion was just himself and that moniker.




The moniker was already outta there before the discussion I am talking about took place.

OH OK.

Thank you for explaining.

achorladey:
I even forgot to add that the other monikers and myself don't even have to create a thread before he criticize whatever we do.

A good example is the moniker called rottennaija. He MaxInDHouse criticize that moniker up till the extent of sending words to the parents of that moniker simply because the moniker thread was about the acts, actions and activities of the religious organization Max belongs.


He knows the point he is trying to make has no foothold.

He must save his face.

You're kidding me right?

He went as far as reporting him to his parents!?

What did he plan to accomplish by doing that?

This is shocking!

Did they setup a judicial council for him @rottennaija?

Abeg give me more gist.

MaxInDHouse:
This thread is really funny walahi talahi!
You have refused to answer a simple question and your friends keep dancing around without coming out to speak for their faith even when they know very well that you're totally against their professed faith in Jesus (whom you called a myth)
Really hilarious!

What question?

Why do you keep asking a question you already know the answer to?

Just incase you have forgotten the objective of this debate, let me remind you:

I have put it to you that it is a FACT that the life and story of Jesus in the Bible is not unique.

It is a cheap copy of the life and story of similar God-men from cultures thousands of years older than the Bible.

The best you can you do is show me proof from your extensive research that shows that -

1. Jesus really existed and is not a Mythical Figure,

2. Jesus really existed based on archeological findings, and

3. The life and teachings of Jesus is original and not copied from HORUS of ancient Egypt and many other Christ figures like Dionysus, Bacchus, Mythiras but to mention a few.

I guess we can start from there.

Show me your well researched proof, and I will show you mine.

Can we do that instead of going back and forth with the name calling?

Till this very moment, you still haven't shown me undeniable proof of Jesus's existence as a real figure in history.

Why then I still ask, are you asking me a question you already know the answer to?

achorladey:
One thing that I can guarantee you from the post above is that you don't finance the data I use here. The platform called nairaland is equally not an origination of yours. Therefore what is profitable can't be decided by you as well because the principle and objective clauses setting up our business here you are not a party to it. So you know next to nothing on what we count as profit.



Running from pillar to post to save your face as usual.




The intelligence you boast of is already down the drain. Had it been used properly you would have seen that the platform had the means of following someone and be followed back. Unfortunately look at your followers trillion times you will not see my moniker there.

Learn




The summary of who MaxInDHouse really is here on this platform and the steps you follow as it concern the above.......

1. LIE

2. Deny the LIE

3. Start insulting others based on your LIES

4. Admit that you LIED LATER.

5. No modicum of respect you will keep insulting after admittance of your LIES.



The thread was a challenge for you and at least I ensure that the discussion already got to a conclusion before coming to post anything.


Learn.

It had to be said.