₦airaland Forum

MKPUOGALIGA:
You dont get it. We are not against demolition if the structures are built illegally but that's not what is going on here

There is NO single demolition in Lagos,in which the Igbo didn't wail profusely over it and accuse the Lagos State Government of targeting them, (even when the owners aren't Igbo)
They want to grant the operation of LASG through ethnic tension and propaganda.

MKPUOGALIGA:
You are proudly rejoicing over the destruction of another man's sufferings....you can't rejoice forever and Tinubu will not be in power forever

But you will be in power forever? Why is demolition in Lagos is always associated with wailing of the people of the SE and politisation by Peter Obi and his tribal gangs?

Why didn't Peter Obi visit the site of demolition in Enugu State,where three people lost their lives?

The man is too divisive,a figure

ambale:
I only responded to your comment cos you're gratifying your oppressors

Those countries you mention don't pamper anyone who looks like an oppressor
But here in your own country, a man will steal large funds to go build mansions abroad and he would hire people like you to praise him to high heavens

How did you arrive at this conjectures?

CoronaVirusPro:
I really respect your input and find it difficult to an extent even when I know you saying the truth.

He rode on the status quo. Did not create it but rode on it. You can’t tell me His Excellency, President Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu (GCFR) created touts in Lagos. Marwa abolished it before Tinubu came into power.

I won’t exonerate His Excellency, President Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu (GCFR) from the menace, but I would be considerate that being the first democratic rule in decades after military rule, he had a lot of challenges on his table. Made big wins and accomplishments.

My worry, let me call it problem, is that, After Fashola, all have just been none living things,. Lagosians know these people are not living, as they happen to be very enlightened. They voted JUST TO SPITE the minority.

Meaning Nigerians use English words incorrectly.

Touts : are PERSONS,

1) who buys tickets (e.g cinema tickets, tickets to horse-races or football matches ), horde them and
re-sell later ,at higher rates to make profits.

2) who provide information about a winning formula e.g in gambling or betting at a race-course ,in order to share a percentage ,out of the winning prizes/money.

Either case, neither Marwa nor Tinubu banned nor created touts.

The correction interpretation of what happened:

Gen Buba Marwa ,as a MILITARY Administrator of Lagos, instituted certain measures such as mass arrests and detention of certain youths who were considered Street Urchins ,thugs and banned the activities of NURTW,in attempts to improved security in the State ,between 1996-1999. Because, Nigeria was under MILITARY RULE at that time, these actions which obviously violated the rights of those individuals, couldn't be challenged in court.

Tinubu: in the early days of his administration, tried to copied Marwa ,by banning NURTW but the members of this body ,went to court to challenge this order and the court ruled that the Governor has no right to ban any citizen or union in the State.


On the issue of empowerment of touts: this is a grave ignorance ,which I will talk about later

ambale:
They don't mind being law abiding citizens outside but once they feel like going above the law, they come to Nigeria and wipe you slaves asses and you will praise them for wiping you softly😅

Why do many Nigerians on Social Media have this incurable urge to insult or curse anyone who espouse a contrary opinion such that it has become almost impossible to have meaningful discussions (which often involve exchanges of different views) in the Nigerian cyber space without insults,curses and abuses?

I regularly visit the Social Media sites of South Africa, US,UK, India,Morocco and several other countries. Their citizens discuss ,far more intelligently than what we see on Nigerian Social Media with citizens, permanently transferring aggressions on other citizens they perceived are different from them.

missjekyll:
It is much too shallow. Why was he not taken home . Shey na all these superstition,abi?

In Yoruba Traditions, anyone who died drawing is buried beside the water that killed him/her

shox:
that body will soon be washed back into the ocean. Dinner served for the fishes.

Rip young blood

It would have decayed in 3 months times but the bones will remain

okpouman:
Nigerian elites love Nigeria so much but they dont want their children to live n work in Nigeria

False, majority of their children return to Nigeria. They can't live as elites in the US,Europe or Canada

Nackzy:
They say this guy is a touts but he knows his onions

He was never a tout.


MC Oluomo started as a bus conductor, they driver ,then a Union official and later bought buses himself which were plying Oshodi-Abeokuta. People calling him touts ,know nothing about him and are just doing so, for political reasons.

1DigitalBaby:
Look they are just acting and they have a more profitable career than regular actors.
They entertain billions of people around the world.

Worry about yourself

Only few actresses are well paid, the majority are simply exploited. QED.

The Porn industry is a multi-billion dollar industry, but the actors and actresses are mere labourers in the industry, they only get less than 2% of the worth of the industry.


Most porn actresses are actually college drop-outs, legal and illegal immigrants, people from low socio-economic backgrounds or ethnic minorities, whom the producers convinced ,they would be better off, if they join the porn industry. However, they are few ladies ,who willingly join ,out of curiosity or rebellions.
The common truth to them all: they have short career life span and are often replaced by younger and new girls.

jpphilips:
I am not obligated to prove anything to anyone who struggles to understand the basis of a discourse. This was a national debate held at Aburi, mediated by the Ghanaian HOS at the time. Facts were presented by both sides and a resolution was reached, a solution that has worked for 60years, if you want to change it, common sense dictates you should try something different from what took you to Aburi in the first place, stop thinking like a Nigerian politician. Use your own head because in the end, the politician will serve out his term and leave, while you become the victim.

1) There was no national debate at Aburi, Ghana but a Truce meeting, brokered by the Ghanian Head of State between the Federal Military Government and Government of Eastern Region and even at that, this was NOT about State Police.
2) Native Authority Police in 1960s were ran by Native Authority (Local Governments ) and they didn't carry arms but uses buttons. There were not issues in the national discourse then.
3) Nigeria is a Federation and in all Federations, each Federating unit manage it's internal affairs, including security.

4) State Police and Resource Control are two vital steps, Nigeria needs to move closer to True Federalism.

nairalanda1:
If we carry your plan to fruition, only Lagos can afford state police. Barely. Most states can't . Make we no lie to ourselves.

Why crying more than the bereaved?

Let the States that can't afford it reject it.


States can afford State Universities, Hospitals, High courts etc but can't afford State Police? Even private residents form vigilantes to secure their Estates ,which on many occasions prevent thefts.

IBB007:
lol…I still don’t know why all these oil and gas associations can’t come together and build one functional refinery…they’ve really made enough from importation and dangote don comot food for their mouth

They are parts of the old era cartels, fighting desperately to prevent changes

nairalanda1:
All of a sudden we have gone from state police that is statewide to 'special force to augument the federal police'

You state police people should make up your mind, what is it you want?

As for me, most, if not all states cannot fund a state police. I am not attacking your positions or saying that you are so wrong, I am just stating a fact. To maintain a state police, most states are going to have to tax the citizens of the state that are not taxed...and most of you guys don't like that.

I mean, look at Zamfara....even if we use your idea....the state police still has to be well equipped....because bandits and firepower....and at the end of the day, where are we gonna get the money? From a state that is as broke as 34 of the 36 states? From a federal government whose federal police use ancient guns and weaponry because funding issues ?

Even our federal police, government has issues funding it properly, ya think there will be money enough for state police?

Let's face reality o. State police on paper is a good idea, but in the Nigerian setting, where we all rely on limited money from oil, and where most states don't want to do proper igr, it's basically unrealistic. Unless you want guys in khaki shorts and shirts wielding sticks and batons like the old NA Police.

States that afford State Police should have it.
Even now, are the current FG Police everywhere? The answer is CAPITAL NO.
There are many States in Nigeria that Police Stations are NOT available in rural areas.

The FG maintain a special Road Police called FRSC, are they everywhere?

DMerciful:
Did the new old national anthem implemented in 3 days not require act of national assembly? What about suspending Fubara?

You obviously don't know the differences between constitutional ammendments and ordinary acts of National Assembly.

Dalohad:
Simple, to avoid Tinubu dipping his greedy hands into our pockets we have to improvise..

Cash, crypto and other means of payment will take priority.

I will never slave for Tinubu to come and take 25% of my wealth, after providing my own water, shelter, power and other essentials without one kobo of government support.

Tinubu is the Oil minister, he has monopolized Oil wealth for himself, politicians and corrupt Supreme court judges.

Yet they still want to keep pushing their luck too far by dipping their hands into our pockets like Agberoes working for MC Oluomo under Oshodi bridge.

They are emboldened everyday because Nigerians have become docile and sedentary. Like thieves and rogues, their appetite for free money extorted from Nigerians keep growing because Nigerians have refused to push back. Now they ask for your blood.

Libya as an oil country under Ghadaffi was giving 100% free education, buying houses for citizens, free water pumped by government, free power. Almost 0% taxes. Same with many other Arab countries..

Why must Nigeria's own be different? You take the oil money, provide nothing for generality of the people, yet you ask for their blood in taxes? Wetin dey give Tinubu mind sef? IMF? World Bank? France?

By next year, if Nigerians look for 1 kobo of the money in their accounts, the only choice is will be to go the NEPAL way.

Too many ignorant people in Nigeria!!!

DMerciful:
One person is they? What is holding Tinubu from implementing state police when almost all the governors have agreed?

Because, it would require constitutional ammendments

jpphilips:
State police didnt guarantee our security in the 60's, it led to a war, it wont guarantee it today because the sectional issues of the 60's still live with us today.
You cant be hoping that a Volvo will fly. Most people making the state police proposal didnt live through the 60's or simply just pushing their selfish interest forward. The same security the Western region also hoped for?

Military Coup of Jan-15,1966 with tribal colouration led to the civil war, not State Police.

You can advise your State Governments, not to participate but other States, that want it should get it.

jpphilips:
The funding is the least of the issues, its who we are as a people, have you been to the south east lately? imagine a northern or Yoruba trader in the south east, how on earth will he get justice from a state sponsored igbo dominated outfit like Ocha Brigade?
Its impossible, so see it this way, creating law enforcement that will be sectional in law enforcement is a defeated purpose?
Some folks breathing through the @rses of politicians will tell you, it will solve regional insecurity, thats a huge joke, look at herdsmen crisis the way we have politicised, tribalised the conflict even at central command level, do you expect an average hausa fellow heading Borno state police not to litter the place with his hausa brothers? do you expect him to send his Hausa brothers to die for the Kanuri boko haram?
The only reason CJTF succeeded was because they were under a centralized military and they recruited mostly from the Kanuris, truth is: Tribalism is a very big issue in this country and anyone that chooses to ignore it with a state police proposal is super ignorant.

You haven't proved anything wrong with State Police apart from the unfounded fear that non indigenes will not get Justice from it.
State Police can't detain anyone beyond 48hrs and if one is not satisfied, he can appeal the handling of the case to Federal Police.

How do non-indigenes, get Justice from State Judiciary?

nairalanda1:
Good post

Also, let's be honest, most states won't be able to fund the state police properly

Take zamfara. They need a well equiped state police with special forces and even something approaching military level because banditry. Can they afford it?

It is NOT compulsory for all States to have States POLICE and even if they have State Police, it may just be dispatched to certain areas as a SPECIAL SECURITY outfit to argument the effort of the Federal Police, without necessarily been in all parts of the State ,all the time

Smartcitizen:
Most of you are too blind to see and that's why you people always end in regret every time.

This is how many of you were running their mouths when there was this argument for the creation of local government independent election commission and today, how well is that across all the states?

My only question for most of you championing this STATE POLICE CREATION is;


CAN YOU MENTION ANY COUNTRY IN THIS WORLD PRACTICING STATE POLICE AND STATE GOVERNORS POSSESS IMMUNITY?

Just mention one country?

You think that white people are not intelligent.

All over most of the world, Policing is a local affairs.
Immunity of State Governors have nothing to do with State Police.

State Police don't have absolute powers,as you guys are assuming.

It is NOT compulsory, for all States to have State Police.

States that don't want State Police can still rely solely on Federal Police.

helinues:
Power drunk governors would abuse state police. Regional policing is still fair

The State Police does NOT mean abrogation of Federal Police.


Has State Governors abused Amotekun or LASTMA?

Brenbentondiaz:
Why are deveropers always jittery about anything that will empower regions. They're the ones wailing they want autonomy, they're the ones kicking against any move for autonomy in any form. They hate one Nigeria, but they still want a centralized system. They wailed that Lagos VAT is because of companies having their HQs there. Govt proposed VAT to be paid at the point of sales, they wailed and kicked against it. Wailing at this point is their default mode.

It is due to fears of the unknown. They are afraid of changes, thinking it may negatively affect them

jpphilips:
During the Aburi Conference, Ojukwu accused the then IGP Salem of negligence, which led to the death of Igbos up North in a pogrom that claimed around 30,000 lives, a bitter precursor to the civil war.
In his Defence, the IGP placed the blame on NAP, the Northern Authority police, the then regional police in the North, according to Salem, the National police did all it could but the regional police continued with the killings, in other to forestall any re-occurance, Ojukwu proposed the centralization of the armed forces, something in practice till date, first implemented in the Decree 8 of 1967.

By centralizing the armed forces, the Federal police became the sole law enforcer in the land, ever since, there has not been a repeat of 1966 pogrom, fast forward today, our irresponsible and ignorant politicians for their selfish reasons want to return us to pre-1966, it wasnt just the igbo pogrom that suffered under NAP, in the western region, after the 1964 elections, Awolowo lost seat majority to Akintola who was backed by the federal might, on the other hand, Awolowo was backed by the WRNAP the then western regional police, this misgivings gave rise to two years of bitter clashes and killings that forced the central government to carve out the Mid-western region from the Western region, through out the short period we practiced Regional police, nothing good came out of it, why would someone in his right senses today think state police will solve any problem, despite our ethnic biases?

Every African country with tribal sentiments breaks apart as soon as they establish state police, the case of the Tigray region and South Sudan comes to mind, even if we can't learn from our own experience, why can't we learn from other people's experience?
Imagine a lagos state dominated by Yoruba state police, how do you expect an igbo man to get justice in Lagos under such arrangement? How do you expect igbos to feel safe when the Yoruba-dominated state police actors felt slighted that an igbo man has won a state or federal election in Lagos state?

A wise man once said, “The surest way to solve a crisis is never to create it.”
State police will be the final nail in the coffin of this nation.

This write up is filled with inaccuracies and conjectures.

1) There was no organisation called Northern Authority Police (NAP) or WNRAP in the First Republic.

2) There were Native Authority (NA) Police and they weren't carrying arms but only used battons (kendo/Opa). The local names for Police in many parts of Nigeria has connections with this instrument e.g Olopa (The one with stick) in the South.

3) Only few officers (not the rank and files) of the Federal Police carried arms before ,1966.

The insinuation,that the program in the North were carried out by Northern Police is a blatant lie.

4) Every State has the God-given right to protect their people and secure their properties.

5) There are already elements of State Police in Nigeria e.g LATSMA in Lagos , OYES in Osun, HISBAH in Kano etc

franchasng:
Tacha the guy is making a good point. This has nothing to do with wherever he comes from. He is saying nothing but the truth, properties in Lagos are overrated and overpriced, simple.


2billion naira will buy you an amazing duplex in most highbrow cities in the US, UK, Switzerland, France, etc, now tell me can you compare any of the aforementioned countries cities with any city in Nigeria?


We are the reason our politicians are misbehaving and misleading this country.


The critic never said his state of origin is better than Lagos, he only said nothing but the truth that our properties are overpriced.


Every criticism of the government must be viewed with tribalism glasses

If you can help us crash the high costs of houses in Lagos, you will be widely celebrated as if you have found the cure for cancer

bdon123:
Oga am in my late 30ties....I am telling u that Nigeria as of today,no state can build a seaport like tincan Island Apapa .U tink a sea port is a motor park that anyone will jst wake up n build.Building seaports included signing major contracts wit a government of another country i.e u need federal government to be fully involved .No state as of today can build a port as sophisticated as tincan apapa dont be deceived.

The hallmark of an educated mind is the ability to
learn, unlearn and re-learn.

Because, Seaports aren't just infrastructure but have serious economic and SECURITY implications, for the whole country, the constitution vested the powers for regulatory controls in the FG. However, this is not limited to seaport but also true for university, education, airports and so many other aspect of our national life.

In this dispensation, the FG is more of a regulator than active player in many sectors.


1) Lagos State through PPP built Lekki Deepsea Port and is currently building Badagry Deep Sea-Port.

2) A-Ibom State has started building Ibaka Deep Port for years

3) In 2023 , Ondo State got approval from the FG to build her own Seaport

Dbegining:
The issue we are not seeing is that whether it is NUPENG or any other thing, we as a country would heavily depend on a private individual for petrol I and petroleum products.

The petrol that Nigeria had been using for years before Dangote Refinery were imported from PRIVATE REFINERIES abroad.

In the US, their President or FG has nothing to do with prices of petrol or refineries.

bdon123:
U nt understanding,states do not build seaport...its a federal project.Dangote port is for dangote refinery only or cement business.We are talking abt deep sea ports n infrastructure to handle d class of cargo Lagos ports handle.D ships that berth at tincan island cannot berth at ibaka.There needs to be facility to handle to class of ships .
I will use airline industry to giv u an example...airbus 380 planes which are most owned by emirates airlines do not land in nigeria becos our runway cannot handle that particular class of plane.instead they use older substandard planes to convey passenger to Nigeria bt abroad they use airbus 380 for long haul flights.so who do u blame now for that?ofcourse nigerian government who hav refused to improve along wit d rest of d world

You are still living in the past (most probably born and grew up under the Military Rule, where FG was in-charge of virtually every aspect of Nigeria's economy).

Seaports, Airports, Railways and Electricity have been taken off from the exclusive list in the constitution and taken to concurrent list (meaning both FG and States can legislate on these items).

Lagos State ,through PPP built Lekki Deep Sea Port (more sophisticated than the old ports at Apapa and Tin Can) and currently building Badagry Deep-Sea Port.

Dangote is building Dangote Port for COMMERCIAL purposes in Ogun State.

Ibaka DEEP Seaport ,would have been completed if A/Ibom State Government is not doing it as a typical Government Project but do it via Public-Private Partnership, in conjunction with Chinese or Indian Business Corporations.

The roles of the FG is now more of a regulator rather than active players in these industries.

Oakenshield:
shut up ,why are other ports not working?
Calabar port that 70% of cars imported into the countryside and other goods were through the port and was working very well. Thereby spreading development to Akwa Ibom and Lagos port was a par with it. The same Tinubu colluded with OBJ and said the needed dredging and Uzondinma was awarded the project yet nothing happened till date. Lagos became the sole active port in the country,so why wouldn't the develop better than other regions.
The claim big ships can't come to calabar port yet is it canoe that supplies tankers of fuel,diesel, kerosene and bitumen to depot's at calabar.
Crossriver is closer to the North than Lagos is and let the port be allowed to work and see if development wouldn't reach places like bebue state

Onne Port ,Rivers State is very functional.

bdon123:
Oga accept this is very true.Nigeria has port issues bt refused to build another in other regions.lagos gets special treatment all d time

There are functional ports in Onne,Rivers State and Calabar (though less patrinized). Dangote is building $800 million Seaport in Ogun State.

Since over 12yrs ago, Akwa-Ibom State Government has been allocating funds in yeary budgets for Ibaka Deep seaport, but these are often embezzled.

FatherLord:
Instead of advising the oppressor to learn you are advising the oppressed to keep quiet in pains . You are obviously one of them

Who is oppressing you? Most Nigerians don't even know the real causes of their problems.