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Anas09:
Good Morning General. You have done well putting them striaght, at this point let's hand them over to their father.
May God bless us all.

abi oooo. Av left d Mata to God already

Anas09:
Brother, you have done more than enough enlightening this person. I suggest you quit dignifying him with responses.

goodmorning sis, i av kuku stopped d argument. My arguing wasn't really about those i was arguing wit but cos of d innocent ones who could get misled if we kept quiet. God will help us all.

zeongeon:
My brother, why do you want to stress me nah...I am already tired of the argument self. If you look at my previous post you will see a prayer of protection where the angels where Micheal Gabriel Raphael and Uriel where mentioned (Shema) that is from the Oral Torah called the Talmud.

The link you posted even talks about written Torah and Oral Torah ( Talmud) which was communicated to moses to God before he taught it to others..the oral Torah(talmud) helps in explaining the scriptures and how to go about applying the law (the TORAH).

The link you even posted you didn't note that the Torah is the 5 books written by moses and then you have the oral Torah which is the Talmud that was passed on to moses which he taught to others The Oral Torah a.k.a Talmud have various prayers that includes the prayer for protection that mentions Micheal, Gabriel, Raphael and Uriel and Baba GOD. Kriat Shema

The link you even gave says that the new testament is not part of the Jewish scripture. If the Jews totally rejects the apocrypha then how come they also make reference to it in some of there teachings. The link below will help you note that the Jews don't totally or outrightly reject the apocrypha.

www.jhom.com/topics/angels/talmud_fourangels.htm

And who says the Talmud is part of scripture. D Talmud is a compilation of scholarship debates nd opinions of rabis nd dey are not sacred. God warned d Israelite not to learn d practice or way of worship of d heathen, Many of d Talmud were written under babylonian influence nd other captivity, many were written during d dark ages i.e after d last prophet of d old testament wenGod had stopped talking. There are many scholarship books being written today in christendom, do dey equal d Bible or qualify to b added to d Bible? Don't be deceived, Talmud isn't sacred else it could av been added to the torah.
There is nothing like written torah nd spoken torah. Torah is a book of d words of God, Talmud is a book of opinion of rabis.
Originally d torah was only d 5 books of moses, later on, other inspired books were added to it nd today d torah only contains wat we know as d old testament. I think av made enough point for any discerning mind to understand, we can argue dis till forever but u nd everyone who has been reading apocryphal books will still do wat u please. I rest my case here. Shallom.

kallmemrB:
wow now u believe the internet right? If Jude could refer to Enoch prophesy then there's a book for that

D Internet is enough authority wen it comes to historical issues. Of course i know there is a book called book of enoch but wat i dont know is while anyone will believe it was written by Enoch d father of nethuselah. U even said it contains record of wen he went to some heavenly realm so u believe he threw it down. Come on. Well i believe i av made enough sense to any discerning mind to make d right decision. Am not actually arguing because of you but because of innocent ones who could get curious and delve into reading apocryphal books. I know u av read it already nd will still read it.

kallmemrB:
book of genesis and co was not by oral tradition it was a revelation from God to Moses and There we're means of writing before Egypt ...how did u think Abraham counted months to the fulfillment of Gods promise Abt Isaac birth....there we're means they kept record....do u know bible was compiled by some scholars same with the calender

according to Wikipedia, d art of writing started in Mesopotamia around 3200 BC. Enoch existed like 1000 years before den. Do you want to compare d level of civilization in enoch Time to dat of Abraham? A peep at d genealogy will give u d difference in ages.
D new testament was complied by Bible scholars nd dey were canonized by revelation nd inspiration. D old testament is intact (d torah)

Kenneth4u205:
hahahaha I understand your passion my brother. I share the same passion.but that does not mean that we should suppress the truth.those who compiled the Torah weren't filled by the holy ghost .they were Jewish academic professors, Pharisees and priests.. the same priest and Pharisees that didn't even know that their Torah made it clear that Jesus is the Messiah. imagine that.this are the same people that compiled the Torah. they can't even understand the hidden truth in their Torah that Jesus is the Messiah. that was why Jesus kept on attacking the Pharisees and priest throughout his ministry. Jesus said,unless your righteousness exceed that OF the Pharisees, you can not enter the kingdom(Mathew 5:20). he even accuse them OF changing the commandment OF God into the commandment OF man(Mathew 15:3-6).so you can see that those professor OF Jewish law,priest and Pharisees that compile the Torah weren't guided by the holyspirit, but rather by their human understanding and wisdom.so what ever BOOK the can't understand or proof genuine,, that the tag false.


NOW APOSTLE JUDE WHO IS THE BROTHER OF JESUS CHRIST QUOTED SOME VERSE FROM THE BOOK OF ENOCH.


HE QUOTED ENOCH 1:9
IN THE BOOK OF JUDE 14-15.

THIS IS TO TELL YOU THAT THE BOOK OF ENOCH IS TRUTH BECAUSE THE VERY BROTHER OF JESUS, ALSO AN APOSTLE QUOTED FROM IT.IT ALSO SHOWS THAT THE EARLY CHURCH AND APOSTLES WERE ALSO MAKING USE OF THE BOOK OF ENOCH.

NOW I WILL PASTE THE TWO VERSE FOR YOU TO SEE AND JUDGE BY YOURSELF. THE BEST LITMUS TEST FOR ANY WRITING IS TO ALLOW SCRIPTURES TO PROVE IT.JUDE 14-15 PROVE THAT ENOCH 1:9 IS TRUTH.







1 Enoch 1:1-2 , 9


The words of the blessing with
which Enoch blessed the
righteous chosen who will be
present on the day of tribulation,
to remove all the enemies; and
the righteous will be saved. And
he took up his discourse and
said, Enoch, a righteous man
whose eyes were opened by God,
who had the vision of the Holy
One and of heaven, which he
showed me…Behold, he comes
with the myriads of his holy
ones, to execute judgment on all,
and to destroy all the wicked,
and to convict all flesh for all the
wicked deeds that they have
done, and the proud and hard
words that wicked sinners spoke
against him.


Jude 14-15

It was also about these that
Enoch, the seventh from Adam,
prophesied, saying, “Behold, the
Lord comes with ten thousands
of his holy ones, to execute
judgment on all and to convict all
the ungodly of all their deeds of
ungodliness that they have
committed in such an ungodly
way, and of all the harsh things
that ungodly sinners have
spoken against him.”

D day d Holy Spirit finally left d temple was after d death of Jesus and he announced it by tearing d veil in d holies of holies. Even Jesus learnt from them from childhood cos unto dem were committed d oracles of God. Dey were still very spiritual caipaas d High priest even prophesied didn't he?
The Torah is wat is called the Oracles of God. Anything u read from old testament outside d torah is at ur own risk.

kallmemrB:
who wrote genesis to Deuteronomy ? Was moses there but he mentioned Abt Enoch in gen 4-5 then also Jude spoke Abt him and his prophesy...Enoch was the first prophet in the bible but due to the fact that the bible would be too big to handle some book were removed..am sure u have never heard of Tobias before?

u still don't get it. Before d days of moses, history was being passed from one generation to d other by oral tradition dats y many details got lost along d line. Moses learnt d art of writing in Egypt cos he grew up in pharaoh palace. He made a record of d oral traditions from d time of Adam and dis formed d book of Genesis. He wrote as he was inspired. He wrote other books too even some psalms. Now how possible was it for enoch who was just few generation from adam to av written a book. Dis means someone else after d art of writing started wrote dat book nd d devil will go to any length to spoil d knowledge of God.
To d jews were committed d oracles of God. Dey had d word den but believers today are d custodian of it. D jews had d ephod nd urim and could cast lot to know d will of God den. Everybook dey rejected should be rejected.
Concerning jude saying a prophesy of enoch, yeah i agree enoch was a prophet but I do not agree he wrote dat book except he later threw it down from heaven wen he got there.

kallmemrB:
In the Book of Enoch, Uriel is one of the arch­angels who protected humankind from the Watch­ers (a group of fallen angels), including guiding the prophet Enoch, who later ascended into the archan­gel realm as Metatron. Am sure u will argue again that book of Enoch ain't real

you still don't get it do you? Is d book of enoch part of d Torah? If it isn't Torah, it isn't scripture. D book of enoch is even d easiest to invalidate cos at d time enoch lived, d art of writing wasn't even in existence yet so he couldn't av written any book. There are trillions of book out there but not all book are scripture. Some scientist wake up nd say day found an old scroll in one cave nd everyone believes it was suppose to b part of d bible. Wake up guy.
The Jew so respect d Torah dat day don't touch it wit bare hands nd u believe dey will remove part of it? Just do ur self d favour of studying about d Torah nd how sacred it is kept. Dey started by keeping d ten commandment in d ark of covenant d very presence of God soon every books regarded as Torah too were added. Today in Jewish temples in their arks dey keep d Torah.
Very soon ppl will claim d book of Mormon too was removed from d Torah , SMH

zeongeon:
Yes I am channeling my "curiosity" to know about Christ too. However, when it comes to Christ curiosity isn't what Christ wants from me but a relationship..Christ deals with Us through revelations and inspirations that comes with studying the word of God...When it comes to Christ I focus on a relationship and not just studying like I do for other things. My quest for knowledge is to the glory of GOD, to enhance my faith in Jesus Christ and to also enable me talk freely with those whose religion or believes are different from mine in so doing getting them into a comfort zone where I can tell them about Jesus Christ.

The truth at times is that we are not comfortable with peoples perspective because we have brought ourselves down patiently to see why they believe in what they believe in.

You just said the Jews can't discard any part of the Torah but the Torah has Raphael and Uriel that where not mentioned in the bible....Since the Jews where committed as oracles of God and they have Raphael and Uriel in there Torah what do you have to say about it when people believe in Raphael and Uriel...That's why I say the world is deep and the spiritual is deeper.

in d link attached in my post, all d books dat makes up d Torah are listed and no apocryphal books was there, or can u mention d book in Torah where day were mentioned? Raphael and uriel could b fallen angels u know? Why don't u provide evidence to show dat apocryphal books are accepted by Jews? Lets start from there.
About Jesus, just like casting crown said, d more u know Him, d more u will want to know Him . He is too deep.

zeongeon:
Sir, Jews respect the apocrypha and don't outrightly reject it cause some stories and writings in the apocrypha are in the Talmud or Torah.

I am not trying to patronize anybody I am just saying what I know and read.

And as you can note from my write up I didn't mention or state that angel Uriel and Raphael are in the Protestant bible.

So you know this is a prayer for protection at night from the Talmud /Torah

To my right Michael and to my left Gabriel, in front of me Uriel and behind me Raphael, and over my head God's
Shekhinah ["the presence of God"]."
—From the Kriat Shma , prayer recited before the Shma when going to sleep.

I didn't write the apocrypha, I am not trying to argue or get you to agree with whatever I have written. I don't even look forward to anyone agreeing to what I post on here.

This world is deep and the spiritual is even deeper the best we can do is to ask God for his wisdom and guidance..Uriel and Raphael are not in the bible but they appear in Jewish prayers and there Torah. Its left for you to research to know more whilst still praying and enjoying relationship with God. Who knows Uriel and Raphael "may even" be in the bible you just need God to open your eyes...

There is even a Jewish school of thought that states that angels don't have known names and that the names we know them with where brought by the Israelites from Babylon..if we are to go by that then should we even believe in the names Michael and Gabriel?

I am here to learn and have knowledge of the spiritual through peoples experiences, write ups and advice on this thread.

Sir knowledge is good and i admire ur quest for it. I just av to tell you dat d devil has been in existence since d beginning of mankind and has always tried or attempted to corrupt d knowledge of God. As apostle paul said, unto d jews were committed d oracles of God. The jews av utmost respect for the Torah nd cannot just discard any part of it. The books of the Torah was compiled by dem nd they are are stated in d link http://www.jewfaq.org/m/torah.htm
Judaism was a shadow Christianity so today we av d real deal. Paul d apostles said he could only boast of the knowledge of Jesus d crucified even though he was a well learned jew. Y don't u channel ur curiosity into knowing more about Christ.? There is so much to learn about Him.

Kenneth4u205:
Many books were removed from the bible as shown by the following bible verse:
2 chronicles 9:29,
2 chronicles 12:15
Esther 10:2

2 Chronicles 9:29
29 As for the rest of the history of Sol′o·mon, from beginning to end, is it not written among the words of Nathan the prophet, in the prophecy of A·hi′jah the Shi′lo·nite, and in the record of visions of Id′do the visionary concerning Jer·o·bo′am the son of Ne′bat?


2 Chronicles 12:15
15 As for Re·ho·bo′am’s history, from beginning to end, is it not written among the words of She·mai′ah the prophet and of Id′do the visionary in the genealogical record? And there were constant wars between Re·ho·bo′am and Jer·o·bo′am.




Esther 10:2
2 And all his powerful and mighty accomplishments, as well as the detailed account of Mor′de·cai’s greatness to which the king exalted him, are they not written in the book of the history of the times of the kings of Me′di·a and Persia?

THE ABOVE THREE VERSES LISTED AT LEAST 5 BOOKS THAT WERE OMITTED FROM THE OLD TESTAMENT AS SHOWN BELOW


(1) THE BOOK OF NATHAN THE PROPHET

(2) BOOK OF PROPHECY OF AHIJAH

(3) BOOK OF VISION OF IDDO


(4) BOOK OF SHEMAIAH

(5) BOOK OF KINGS OF MEDIA AND PERSIA.

there are other good books that was removed like BOOK OF Enoch, jasser. Jubilee, tobit etc.

I have read and studied all those books and I support it removal from the Bible. Why did I support it removal?. because those books contain powerful deep secrets and wisdom that is not suitable for the kind OF carnal Christians we have Today.it is full OF deep truth about spiritual realms OF angels, demon's, and heavenly things.the knowledge from this books can be misused if it get into the wrong hands. That was why it was removed. And that is why I also support it removal. It is only meant for priest, levites,and those called into the office OF prophet, apostle, etc.The BOOK is full OF truths that is not suitable for layman to know.

not all books dat were written qualified as scriptures, remember dey were all in scrolls but some were compiled and accepted as scriptures by d Jewish (check out dis link http://www.jewfaq.org/m/torah.html)
D impression dat u r trying to give is like there was a book, nd some books were removed from it but dat isn't d case. There are scrolls written throughout different ages but d jews accept just some as d oracles of God ie inspired. All d apocryphal books av never been accepted by the jews as inspired and so aren't part of the Torah

kallmemrB:
wow thanks so much for going further.....my question to them is that why do they read psalm when they clearly know it's part of the Old Testament

the psalms and all other books of d old testament were just a shadow of wat was coming. D berean christians read from the old testament(cos no new testament at dat time) to understand d new, dat doesn't mean dey were went into old testament practices. The whole of old testament points to Jesus Christ

kallmemrB:
we don't study Quran and those name where reveal by the angels themselves....it's all over the internet

so because its all over d Internet, it is correct?

zeongeon:
The Angel Raphael and Uriel are not in the protestant bible but they are in Jewish Torah and the Deuterocanonical books which are in the catholic bible.

You may not know Raphael or Uriel but the Jews know about them because they appear in there torah and catholics know about them cause its in the catholic bible.

For example in the book of Tobit the angel Raphael appeared to tobit and told him how to go about defeating the spiritual husband of his newly wedded wife that has killed 7 of her former husbands on there wedding night.

The Jewish people will tell you about the book of Esdras that was written by Ezra and how he communicated with angel Uriel on my the heart of man always leans towards evil.

However, with written accounts of these angels Christians really don't pay attention to them because.

- Christians don't practice Judaism

- Most old testament quotes in the new testament where not gotten from those deuterocanonical books.

In as much as we have and read our bibles with the very familiar books we shouldn't forget that God works in ways we don't understand. The old testament will have you go to the stream to bath seven times as an instruction from God and God hasn't stopped doing things mysteriously and unconventionally for he is still that same God that heals people through drinking of blessed water, use of blessed handkerchief and even just lying down flat on the altar. Don't forget God is also into the business of giving instructions like he was doing in the old testament in order to see results that's why you see some people being told to pray certain psalms and use anointing oil or even bath with water and they see results from following such instructions with faith.

We all chatting here even with our bible knowledge and privileged revelations don't even understand God one bit.

God is the same yesterday, today and forever.

Wat jews are you talk about? Jews were d ones that rejected the apocryphal books and Christian followed suit cos unto d jews were committed the oracles of God.
Apocryphal books are not even accepted by the jews so why r u patronizing us with dat? Genesis to malachi r d only books of the old testament so please wen next u read any article, make ur personal research. There is nowhere Rachael or uriel is mentioned in d 39 books of d old testament.

kallmemrB:
u still need to study bible very well

Alright u dat av studied ur bible, where did you find Raphael or uriel?
Y do u cele also study Quran? Isn't bible enough?

kallmemrB:
firstly who prays to angels? Secondly you not believing their are other angels is enuf for me to shut up ....am sure All u so called oversabis won't accept that also right....read 1 Cor 12 the likes of knowledge and discernment of spirit had to do with the mind...it's a communication instrument with the Holy Spirit...

Due to ur stubbornness and ego to be always right you all miss interpreted what Mr 2Kay wrote just to make sure he's put in the wrong ....what the innocent guy meant was a communication within him...sometimes he communicate with the Holy Spirit and they reveal the intention of others or what he needs to do to him...it's not until u sleep and dream that u see vision it goes beyond that ...before u start arguing blindly try to understand this gift and learn more Abt it....imagine how a not learnered man can understand all languages and interpret even going further to the spiritual tongues...

Our God is a powerful and mysterious god no one understand his ways 1cor 14:12 do not be children in ur thinking 1 Cor 12 :31 but u should be eager for the greater gifts

There are innumerable angels but d Bible never gave those names u mention. Call me oversabi or wateva u like but it doesn't change d fact dat u r a false prophet

Kenneth4u205:
in the old testament, God relate to man through angels ( what I myself call angelic ministry).while in this new testament, God relate to man through his holy spirit(what I myself call holy spirit ministry).please don't get me wrong.hope you understand what I mean now?.

after God created the wold,the holy spirit and angels were very much active in the earth. but man became so corrupt and sinful that God decided to WITHDRAW his holy spirit from the earth(genesis 6:3)

so when God withdrew his holy spirit, the angels were the only medium between man and God.God was relating to man through his angels. that is what I myself termed angels or angelic ministry.

now after Jesus died on the Cross and set us right with God ,the holy spirit was once again restored to the earth (acts 2:3).when the holy spirit was restored again in the new testament,God again started relating to us through his holy spirit.he speaks to our heart through his holy spirit which was absent in the old testament.this is what I term the ministry of the holy spirit. the people of old have only angels.but we new testament Christians have both holy spirit and angels. we decree a word by the power of the holy spirit that dwells in us and the angels carry it out.

Could you please explain who angels are and who d Holy Spirit is?

kallmemrB:
thank you so much for that wonderful insight,you are actuslly the first christain have seen on this thread.. i can proudly say that most of the people on this thread act like anti-christ...they only believe there way is the right way... have used alot of bible passages to explain to them but they believe that their way is only the right way....


my question to all this oversabis like anas09,superior1,oyeludef is
Bible only mentioned Angel Micheal and Gabriel by name ,if you so much believe other doctrines are lie.why do you believe their are 7 archangels? why do you believe theres angel rapheal and Uriel? where did those names come from?

remember those names where never mentioned in the bible...honest answer pls no insult

remember 1st Cor 13 speaks solely on Love so i love u all

i will answer your questions just because d Bible commands me to Ernestly contend for the faith dat was delivered to the saints.
who says we believe in angel raphael or uriel? Is there anything of such in d Bible? Speak for ursef, i don't believe in dem. D Bible only talk about three arch angels ie Michael, Gabriel nd lucifer.
Jesus Christ is the perfect sacrifice and atonement for sin, anything u add as to his finished work is erresy. Now we don't worship God with objects or places but with our Spirit and in truth(john4:23). Our praise and thanksgiving is our sacrifice(heb13:15), our prayers is our incense (rev5:8 ). The only encounter we have with water is in Baptism into Christ and it happens once. Please go and study about the ministry of Christ and d apostles and you will see there is a world of difference between those practices u pointed out and d practice of Christianity. Study to show ursef approved unto God.
There is no place in the Bible where Christ or any apostle prayed to an angel. There are 9 gifts of the Holy Spirit in d Bible, where did you find d gift of mind reading? True spiritual experiences, starts from d Bible and den manifest physically. God nd read ur bible sir

kallmemrB:
Wearing white garment - Soutana Rev 7:9, Rev 4:4,Lev 16:14, Rev 19:8, Matt. 17:1-2, Matt. 28:2-3, Mark 9:2-3,Daniel 7:9,John 20:11-12,
Wearing no shoes Acts 7:33, Joshua 5:15, Exodus 3:5
Lighting candles in the altar Rev 4:5; Zech 4:2-5
Bowing down before the Altar Rev 4:3-10, 14:7
Chanting "Holy, Holy, Holy to the Lord of Hosts" Rev 4:8
The eye on the Celestial logo Rev 5:6
Using incense during services Rev 5:8 & 8:3-5; Exodus 30:8-9; Luke 1:9-11; Exodus 30:24-38; Exodus 40:5; Exodus 31:10-11; Malachi 1:11
The salvation of C.C.C. Rev 7:14; Romans 8:28-30
Using of the Holy water Exodus 13:17-21; Number 8:6-7; Exodus 27:20
Keeping the Altar light burning regularly Lev. 24:4-6; Exodus 27:20-21
Making announcements during services Exodus 29:7
Uses of Church oil Exodus 29:36; James 5:13-15; Mark 6:13; Number 10:1
Stream bath 2 Kings 5:10-15; John 9:6-11
Conducting New Moon services Number 28:9-15; Isaiah 1:13-14; Numbers 10:1
Washing of feet John 3:5, 14 & 15; II Kings 5:10-15; John 9:6-11
Use of palm front Rev 7:9; John 12:12-18
Not allowing corpses in the sanctuary Ezekiel 43:7-9
Using salt in thanks offering Lev. 2:13; Matthew 5:18
No alcohol Leviticus 10:8-11; Genesis 9:2-25
Mandatory purification for women after menstrual period Lev 12:2-3 & 15:4-9
Use of Perfume Matthew 26: 6-13
The seven candles = the 7 spirits of God Rev 4:1-5, Rev 1:12&20, Zechariah 4:2, Exodus 25:31-37, Exodus 37:23, Number 8:2
Purification for service conductor Lev. 10:3, 6:9; Exodus 10:15
Need for thanks offering Exodus 34:20
The church as meeting place between God & His believers Exodus 29:12-45; Hymn 5
Celestial Church and their fellow men Roman 12:17-19; Hebrew 12:14
Holy Michael - Head of Angels of God Rev 12:7-19; Daniel 10:21
Annual Juvenile Harvest Mark 10:13-16; Matthew 19:13-15
Shouting of Halleluyah Rev 19:1-7
Naming Ceremony Lev. 12:1-8
Loin and Girdle Daniel 10:5, Rev. 1:13, Exodus 29:5, Matthew 3:4, Acts 21:11, Psalm 109:19 lev 16:4


pls note anyone church you see them killing animals or any form of living thing aint a really celestial,in my own church you use ur own mouth to pray........i cant argue the fact that there are no fake churchs same as it is in redeem,Cac,Pente costal churches but true celestial dont worship any deity or devilish gods oe creature...we only Worship the only true God

will it be safe for me now to conclude dat cele isn't a Christian religion cos ur scriptural reference to back ur practices aren't from d teachings of Christ or apostles but majorly levitical nd priestly practices. Is cele a product of Jewish religion?

kallmemrB:
To all you who claim you fight battles with demons every night and claims you have spiritual gifts like oyeludef ,anas09 ,superior1 etc
If you know in ur heart that you are truly serving a living God that answers prayers,the God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob pls kindly ask that God to reveal the truth Abt Celestial church to you

Don't join them to insult a church becos someone said something Abt something

Remember what James 1:19 says

I am a child of God and I abide in His word cos He said.if i abide in Him and His words abide in me, whatever i ask He does. Demons do not cross their boundary by touching me,1john5:4,18 is a reality for me.
I challenge you to support ur spiritual understanding nd experiences with the word of God. Where did u see mind reading as a gift for the spirit? Also tell us from scriptures d reason for ur burning candles nd incense like it is done in pagan religions around d world, tell me y u av to bath in d river nd offer sacrifices like those who worsip osun or iyemoja? Give scriptural basis but as long as u aren't ready to go into d scripture, we can av an understanding together cos I am a word person nd discard anything outside the canon of scriptures. Good morning. I await ur response.

Anas09:
My brother thank you. I got to understand that the guys is a member of Cele, they seem to know more about these demon matters, but according to my Bible, they are devious, sneaky, lying creatures, you don't allow them one minute respite, cast them out with the authority in the name of Jesus.

Oops. Cele? Dats occult already. Dey know nothing about demons except lies afterall demons are lying spirits . Its only the Bible dat exposes every works of darkness. As long as it fails d Bible test, we throw such experience away.

2law ur question has been answered already. A spirit u can send on ur own errand at will is called a familiar spirit nd its not of God. Angels of God r sent to minister to d heirs of salvation, how can u Describe ur Christian life? R u bornagain? Angels of God take their orders from God not from man. From all indications, u r dealing with a familiar spirit here.
Tell us about ur grandmother, wat was she into? Do u av a white garment background?
Any spiritual experience dat u can't backup from scripture is a trap. God bless u. Shalom

Anas09:
Really? He gave unto you power to tread upon serpents, scorpions and all other powers of the enemy, yet you pray to him to fight your battles?
Jesus himself said the Kingdom of God suffers violence and the violent takes it by force, this hear is referring to violence agaisnt the kingdom of darkness sir. When Apostle Paul tells us to put on the Whole Armour of God, he didn't mean for us to put on the Armour and go to sleep with them.
Or am I lost?
Oyeludef
Superior1

Good morning sis. There is a very good book by Kenneth hagin titled a Bible study on prayer. Dat books explains d several types of prayers. Wen we pray to God in adoration, we bow in humility before him and tears fall from our eyes at d glory of His presence.
Wen we are making a prayer of petition nd supplication, we are importunate and rend our hearts sometimes like Hanna d mother of Samuel did at shiloh.
Now wen it comes to exercising our Believers authority on d devil, we aren't praying but decreeing, we decree and heaven establishes. Imagine wen paul cast out dat spirit from dat girl with d spirit of divination, imagine d way he must ac did it, will he just b smiling at d demon nd speaking to himself? Remember acts of d apostle wat written by luke who was a companion of paul so he must av heard wen paul yelled at d demon in d girl. See d way our Lord Jesus Christ dealt with demons too, many attime he first commands dem to shutup, den cast dem out. How do u tell a person to shutup? Do u just mumble d words to ursef?
Wen confronted by an unclean spirit, it isn't time to pray to God but to exercise d authority He has given unto u. Wen a landlord is casting out unwanted tenants, u know how it is done. Wen we are exercising our authority, the might of God comes upon us and at times His Spirit even takes over.
Happy Sunday brethren. It is d Lord's day make una go church ooo. Dance and sing unto our Father in fellowship of other Saints.

2law:
i think this not neccessary

hi brother. Why don't u come and fellowship with us on d thread dat its link was posted earlier, it will do u good.
Wat u av been seeing my brother, are ur angel, and each child of God has as many angels but our eyes are not equipped to see dem. Since u r called into the prophetic, just leave dem, and focus on ur spiritual development so u can recognize the assignment Jesus is giving to you and u can equip ursef to fit into dat office.
I once listened to benny hinn tell how wen he was a new convert, he usually see his angels around his bed just staring at him nd talking to eachother. He just focused on studying his bible daily nd spending time to pray. Soon he wasn't seeing dem frequently anymore. Our God is mysterious but has reasons for wat He does. If u aren't comfortable with their presence, relax and just keep growing in God. He will make u stop seeing dem wen He pleases.
Please don't get involved in anything diabolical telling u u av strange powers and all dat, its a lie from hell. All we av, we received from God.

Anas09:
Where is brother Oyeludef?

Hi sister, thanks for checking on me. Av been quite engaged lately but i trust to be fully back shortly. I really miss you guys, don't even visit nairaland frequently as before anymore but i hope to b back fully soon. Thanks

analice107:
Hello bros. Really? No unbeliever can blaspheme the holy spirit? Is a believer who should blaspheme the Holy Spirit? I don't agree with you sir.
Jesus said, Every sin committed against God or the son will be forgiven, but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, will not not be forgiven.
I don't believe there's any believer who will blaspheme the Holy Spirit.

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is wat is regarded as apostasy. John talked about in d book of first John.5:16
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
1 John 5:16 KJV
I once had a problem with this unforgivable sin until I read one of Hagin book. He gave d qualification of d man dat can commit d unpardonable sin and it can b found in Hebrew 6:4
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV
The only was d guy could av committed d sin unto death is if he had once been not just a Christian but a someone who God has taken to a very great spiritual height.

analice107:
I doubt that. he is here to taunt. He is a reprobate. He is past redemption. he has blasphemed the Holy Spirit repeatedly. He is beyond redemption.

naa sis. He isn't beyond redemption. No unbeliever can blaspheme d Holy Spirit.

sonOfLucifer:
Thank you Dear. Can't wait to be eternally roasted by My Maker. Will be delightful.

if you don't repent (its better you do) u will remember dis ur comment and dis my warning wen u burn in d fire of hell

ABDULADINO:
Ananias and saphira were believers. Herod wasn't. I believe God was protecting the infancy stage of the church that's why the Judgement came. Paul said you can deliver such one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh in order to save his spirit.
I am with Joseph prince on this. The Holy Spirit doesn't convict believers.

how contradictory. He doesnt convict but he judges abi?

Joshthefirst:
If he does, its is from a position of counsel, and comfort, to guide me to repentance. My own conscience is enough chastisement.

And you do know there's a difference between chastise and convict right?

so wat happened in d case of ananias and saphira who lied to d holy spirit? Counsel?

gadegunle:
Thanks to everyone, I really appreciate you all.More Grace In Jesus Mighty name.

welcome to dis thread. Instead of just emailing wch is private, it will b nice d discussions b had here on dis thread so dat in several years time, ppl could still benefit from dis discussion. U may not need to go into too many detail so as to retain ur anonymity.
Wen u r dealing wit white garment, u r dealing wit pure undiluted witchcraft. Ur battleground should b on ur kneel in private. Break d stronghold of witchcraft on ur spouse. Do so wit fasting nd prayers lets say 3 days nd something spectacular must happen thereafter.