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orisa37:
KALU KALU IS UNPATRIOTIC AND SHOULD BE DECLARED PERSONA NON GRATA.
HE IS VIOLATING INDEGENISATION LAWS OF NIGERIA AND RECKLESSLY PRAYING WITH THE SOVEREIGNTY OF NIGERIA.
IGP MUST ARREST HIM AND PUT HIM AWAY OUT OF CIRCULATION FOR A WHILE AND UNTIL HE LEARNS.
ATIKU TOO SHOULD BE OUT OF CIRCULATION IMMEDIATELY AFTER OSUN STATE GOVERNORS ELECTIONS FOR EMPLOYING AMERICAN LEGAL CONSULTANTS TO HANDLE NIGERIAN CASES IN VIOLATION OF INDEGENISATION LAWS.

Both you and Kalu Kalu seems not to be serious.But on a second look, it's like Kalu Kalu is a bit more serious than you.

Hemanwel:
I think I remember you say this

God bless you my brother

We are losing to South Africa.
I told somebody here in the last thread,that there is no team that made it to the quatre final that Nigeria would have been able to win.
He was arguing with me that we would have won Ghana had it been we top the group to play them.I told him the present Nigeria team can't win any of the 8 teams in the quarter final,he was arguing up and down with me.That Cameroun was too difficult to play with that's why we lose.That Ghana or any other team would have been easier to win.I laugh him.
Now we are playing South Africa and currently losing 2:0 and we may end up losing by 4 goals margin at the end of the match.

waice6571:
I'm sorry for quoting you out of context... I have traced the trail of your conversations as you advised and your submission aligns with mine. I also read other post of yours and it resonates. More wisdom brother.

You are a very wise man🤝

But nah you carry your marriage go social media nah madam.
Them want help you share in your joy, you come dey vex.
As you dey broadcast people pictures and private messages so, you know say cyber crime law dey?
If the girl you dey parade her picture up and down so sue you for 2 billion naira,no come cry call us make we go beg her..ooh

What is it with threatening innocent citizen of Nigeria not to enter Nigeria?
No be madness be that?
Nah so them do last time go shoot kala for the man head for John Oyegun house want kpai them.
Make him try that no...ns.ense again this time around.

Svoboda:
Okpebholo knows that shoe get size. Where was he in 2003 when Peter Obi was challenging his stolen mandate in court? As at 2014, exactly 12 years ago, Peter Obi had run his full course as governor. Perhaps at that time, Okpebholo was still learning tens and units.
Unfortunately, he didn't learn very well, which made it almost impossible for him to recite figures during his budget presentation.

christistruth01:
Is Rufai a Politician or a Journalist ?

So wetin concern you with wetin Rufai talk?
You sabi wetin journalism mean at all?
To inform,educate,enlighten, and entertain nah the core duty of media people.
So if him come inform the governor say the person wey you threatened fire and brimstone say make him no come your state say the man dey your state now.oo,nah bad thing be that?
The governor for even fine Rufai something sef for helping him to inform am so make he for go kpai that him enemy wey been dey threatened since make we the public for see something.
A journalist gives information about two public figures to the public, you say no be journalism.So if no be journalism him do so nah wetin?

waice6571:
Your understanding of what makes a surname need some reviews and updates.

That a surname is popular and strong or influential shouldn't be the reason for adopting a surname.

Name generally serves dual purposes...
1. To identify you personally while you are alive.
2. To link your children to your branch from the general family root after you might have gone.

If you pick a surname because it is strong and your children adopt same as you and your grad children till infinity.... A time would come when everyone that knows would be no more and your generations after you would lost their root because your name wasn't properly preserved in your family line.

Basically, your name as surname for your grandchildren preserves your name and establish your own branch in your family tree.

What tells you that your name cannot be greater than the so called great surnames through your own seeds?

That's my humble submission.

No, you are not getting me at all.
Every discussion has or should have originating or focal point(Context).
Check the first sentence of my message you quoted.I made specifically reference to the last paragraph of someone's message I quoted.
His last paragraph is the focal and the originating point of my discussion in the message you quoted.
My message was a response to a particular comment and not a direct expression of what a surname or the purpose of surname is as you are trying to adduced in your comment.
So, for you to get a clearer understanding or the context of where my comment was coming from,go back to what the last paragraph of the comment I quoted says.

Op, you are very right.Using just father's first name as a surname by a child is wrong in my opinion too.So I totally agree with you.
We, down in in the far South understand the importance of using grandfather's or great grandfather's name as a child surname,hence,we keep on bearing 3,3 names in schools and offices as our official names.
In my state,any form they give to you to fill will go either this way:
Surname (i.e, grandfather or great grandfather's name 1st), Middle name (I.e, your own name-2nd), Last name (I.e, your father's name -3rd)

Or your name 1st, your father's name, middle, and your grandfather or great grandfather's name,last as your surname.

In either case, your name is, and must always be 3,if not so, you will be regarded as having not come from there.
You can't bear two names in my place..... your name and your immediate father's name as your surname.Your lineage would be questionable.
In that way,the identity of our different families are maintained.
If you come to my village now as a stranger,you ask any mature person you see that you are looking for so so person by name.... you mention the person's surname.
Even the person you asked doesn't know the person you are looking for in person,but bcuz of the surname you mentioned,he will take you directly to the family compound and tell you to make any inquiry about the particular person there.And you will certainly identify the person there.
So it is as important as that.

bigiyaro:
Upon say Africans dey form roots run deep and all that sh*t, forming wisdom and smartness, they still can't basically develop their society and countries, they still get out maneuvered by the very west and Europeans they purportly are not wise or don't know how to raise kids etc. What's the big deal with surnames? Or how a surname is supposed to be taken? Oyibo dey bear Bush and Stone and still dey benefit from this earth pass pesin wey dey bear Chukwuemeka, so what's the fuss about?

But the Bush and Stone your are talking about are surnames too.
So,the fuss is about having a recognizable surnames.
Anything else to say?

Kalulu44:
Rapmoney, even with this your analysis eh. Ancestors name can vanish forever. Cus by the time your child bears your father's name as his or her surname, your own grandfather's name has been erased. Same with when that your child give birth and the child adopt your own name as his surname. Your own father's name has been erased too.
Me think the best way is to have the original lineage maker/ancestor's name always at the extreme end of our respective names as surname. Then you can have your child's name and yours attached to it.
That way, your name and ancestor's name has been preserve.
That ancestor's name helps links you, your father, grandfather, great grandfather and so on together.
.
I hope you and everybody understand my analysis.

I understand you and I understand the Op also.
To me,both of you are correct and are saying almost the same thing.... Ancestral name.
Going by what you analyzed about Op's opinion,if I bear my grandfather's name as my surname,then my grandfather is my ancestor and I am preserving the family tree.
If I have a child today,he/she bear my own father's name as his/her surname,then my father is his/her ancestor and he is preserving the family tree.
If I become old and die, and that my child has a child,then his use my name as his surname,then I am his ancestor and he is preserving the family tree.And the sequence of the event continues like that from one generation to the other,the family tree are kept and traced.So the Op is in other.

Then on your own perspective,there are some surnames that have been popularized, therefore,it is pertinent to keep it for and by generations of the family yet unborn.
For instance,I don't see "Awolowo,Azikiwe,Sanusi,Ojukwu,Obasanjo, Buhari, Tinubu, Adeleke, Otedola, Akpabio,Dangote,Kwankwazo,Almhakura,Esin,Adegbami,Yekini,etc " dying any time soon even in the next 7 generations.
Why? This is because the children children and great grandchildren will see those surnames as having attained prominence over the years in their different field of endeavours and as such, would want to keep on being identified by it while masking the immediate surname who may not have attained prominence like their aforementioned ancestral names.They are still in order if they do so.
But the central theme from the OP is maintaining the ancestral names and not using father's first name as surname which I agree with him.

promami:
Check the meaning of the word name.

It's not attached to any ancestor or anybody for that matter. Name is an identity. What you know someone for. There are people whose surnames doesn't align with their vision and they changed it.
In Igbo, there are names like Onwuka, Osuagwu, Onwubiko, Nlewedim etc, looking at their meaning, I'm not sure anyone wants any of that to follow them assuming names carries this level of importance you're attaching to it.

It's whatever you call yourself that others would address you and it doesn't matter whether it's the name of your last 10th generation ancestor. Sometimes people want their kids to answer their own name prolly because their own name has prominence than his own surname and would want his kids to share in that.

I disagree expecially with your last paragraph.The way we identify people in Nigeria makes it difficult for your own name to carry more PROMINENCE than your surname as you said which would have made you want your child to take your name as surname.
In Nigeria here,the surname carries more prominence than the first name.Example abound.
For instance, you can't tell me that;

(1) "Bola" is more prominent than "Tinubu"
(2) "Godswill" is more prominent than "Akpabio"
(3) "Femi" is more prominent than "Otedola"
(4) "David" is more prominent than "Adeleke"
(5) "David" is more prominent than "Umahi"
(6) "Aliko" is more prominent than "Dangote"
(7) "Peter" is more prominent than "Obi"

So, you can see people are popular by their surnames and not their own names, hence, the need for their children to be identified by those popular surnames and not the other way round as you said.

ikorodureporta:
Haven't you seen children using same surname with parents... my question is, how is it possible to keep honoring names without losing any..
Like my name order - my father's name is my middle name and someone said it's not right

Yes nah, you are right.Who said you are not right?
Normally, your father's name should be your middle name.
Your own name is your first name, your father's name is your middle name, while your grandfather's name or your great grandfather's name is your surname.
That's how it's done.
The Op was only kicking against using your father's first name as your surname which I agree with him totally.

Gotocourt:
It depends though, some cultures and traditions in the north adopt names of village/towns they hail from.

It is still good as surnames bcuz most of those villages were founded by a particular person which the village itself was named after him.So,if the upcoming generation chooses to take the village name as their surnames,then it is still in order bcuz that village name is still their great patriarchal name.
It is father better using the father's first name as surname.

nairalanda1:
Not exactly true...it dates back from the colonial era.

Once we started getting western education, when the first kids were registered in the new western education schools, many of the colonial era teachers and missionaries used the names of the fathers of the children as surnames. Some even used the villages of the kids as surnames (that's how our first prime minister Sir Abubakar Tafawa Balewa got to be called that...Tafawa balewa is his home town. )

Yeah, and while some continued using the surname they got at these schools for their families, others changed the same convention


Two examples from African countries

The current leader of Togo is Faure Essozimna Gnassingbé HIS Surname is his father's first name Gnassingbe Eyadema...whose surname was his father's first name

Another example that goes the other way....Barack Hussein Obama junior, the son of Barrack Hussein Obama senior, the son of Hussein Onyango Obama, the son of Obama.

But the two examples you cited still proof that they used their grandfather's name as their surnames and not their father's names.
Check the names you posted, they both have 3,3 names.Meaning that they have their grandfather's name as surnames.
If they have had their father's first names as their surnames, they would have bore only two names.... Their own and father's first names only.But that's not the case in the example you cited.

Bluna:
I came from an oil producing community in the Niger/Delta but I was born in the city, I didn't have the opportunity to visit my hometown until I was around 23 when I needed an important document from my local government of origin. That was the day I knew how powerful a surname could be. Immediately I showed the official my identity and he saw my surname, he asked other applicants to wait while he personally process my documents. He told me later that my family name is very popular and well respected in the town. This is the same surname I've once attempted to change because it has a link with an idol (god of thunder). Thank God I didn't make such mistake. Years later, I started playing politics. I couldn't speak the dialect of my people, I was like a stranger among them but they did not treat me like stranger. Once they heard my family name, they all embraced me and my children. Many opportunities have come our way today because of the family name.

This what the Op is talking about; Identity.
Very lovely narration there!

Sheuns:
This shows you don’t even know the history you claim.

In the past, children were called by their father’s name and not grandfather or family name.

They say this person the child of that person from this family.

Surname is the introduction of the whites.

Try to read and understand your history before saying stuff that isn’t right.

I will also disagree with you.In the past, children were identified by their mother's name and not father's.
If we want to follow far far past, it's the mother's identity and not the father's that the child took after in terms of naming.

RealityKings1:
It's not by name but by genetics.
Name is an appellation

If you like change your name and your father's name, genetics do not understand names

It does.
Taxonomical Analysis is equally a branch of Biological Science.

bolaayenimo:
May God keep her far from Ogun state

Ohh gawd! Why you want make me laff for this kind tragic news?
Wetin dey Ogun state wey be say if she near there go happen?

Mathewrichard99:
🤣🤣🤣🤣 abeg, that 404 dey dey sweet? 🤣🤣 am curious o, how does it taste my bro? .......

No need to describe the taste for you.
Since e no be your normal normal thing, you no go understand even I explain am give you.
But just know say nah very nice delicacy.oo for our side.
If they prepare am finished come add enough scent leaves and enough dry pepper,then atimes unripe plantain and the other type of strong "Scent leaf" follow, people go leave jollof rice and chicken come for that 404 during any occasion.
😆😆

Ohh, that's good news!
I will give credit to the mortuary Attendant.It is like he knows more than those medical doctors.
I wish the guy quick and total recovery.

But wait..oo,an 18 yrs old has already played for 3 or more different clubs?
That means Heartland FC signed him at 10 yrs,he played for them till 15,then sold him to Kano Pillars , and he played for them till he turned 18, before Katsina Utd finally signed him at 18 last year.
Wonders,they said, shall never end!

This nah Xenophobic Shepherd nah,abi you no know?
😆😆

oyeomere:
....pls throw it away it's a BAT

Which kind yeye comment be this?

lamentor78:
This is pure Nigeria Shepherd........or better still Ekukesian

@Ekukesian

Mathewrichard99:
Na Calabar shepherd breed. It's strictly for calabar, Akwa Ibom delicacies. He should just sell to any Calabar people or restaurant close by...

Make unah leave us alone to dey enjoy our 404 sharr

ArcSEMPECJ:
.....na hybrid of Germany Shepard.....

Give it two weeks, with good food , it will turn to Italian mafian ...

Very rugged dog with ekuke chassis....

Jeezuzpick:
Pedigree Ekuke!

Enugu Shepherd be dis!

Purebred African Ghetto dog.

Ekukesons with whiskers like rat own.

Bluna:
So many hilarious comments up here, LoL



BTW, why do people buy dogs without first checking up their parents, especially the pup's mother? I can never pay for a dog I haven't seen it's mother, and if possible the dog father too.

Orrr,e be like say you go begin introduce DNA test on puppy to determine their paternity.

But Professor Soludo said the same thing that he will vote for Tinubu and heaven didn't fall.
So APGA don't have a presidential candidate?
Why is their party not summoning him for anything party activities?
Una no go go rest?
Like say una go fit stand before Orji Uzo Kalu for face dey talk all this things.
No be abeg Sir, anything for the boys the state APC chairman go talk if him see Kalu face to face?

ogascomax:
The mad man is now saying it was AI generated admitting that he did not say it. One person several mouths.

E be like say nah Nigeria politicians Elon musk make AI for.
Everytime dem do bad thing and the people catch them,nah AI.
Dem rub woman foot for plane,nah AI do am.
Dem ordered their thugs to kpai other party's members with their family joined,nah AI talk am.
Wetin AI no go do for 9ja political no exist.

cyberbro:
What are you saying? Abeg go sleep! 😒

Hmmmm,all this while I was thinking I am talking football with somebody with football knowledge,oh how mistaken I was?!
Lemme go and sleep true true as you said.I can't be wasting my precious time trying to lecture a non-football inclined person on football administrative and developmental procedures.
I'm off to bed.
Good night bros!