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Ole out...

Bruno should have done better...

liveLongNprospa:
You have not said how Shaw is better.
When you say eye test, what does shaw do better than Ben?
This isn't about you watching a certain percentage but even if you are saying you watched 70% of Chelsea games then you should be able to list these things easily.
Does shaw cross better or defend better or attack spaces better or provide width better or dribble better or have you noticed shaw is a better 1v1 defended than Ben?

These are things you should be saying so I'm waiting.

Build up play, defensively and support to his winger...
Shaw has not lived up to his standard last season and I have admitted it...

Take Lukaku for instance, he has scored a couple of goals this season but after detailed analysis you'd realize is just in some games while he has misfire for the most part. It's the same with Mount...

Stats won't point all that out just the same way stats will say Pogba and Bruno have been excellent whereas, they has only been excellent in a couple of games...

BikeMan:
Is this your explain for how Shaw is better than Shaw?

"I watched a certain amount of Chelsea games"

OH GAWD!

Use your eyes, you're no mermaid...

KingAlabi:
If we loose I will avoid this thread personally because of you, make you no go begin pour your emotions on me.

Hehehe You no dey too support Ole again so, you no get wahala...

Na Melody still dey blink like PHCN

slimghost:
I have started drinking already so I can handle whatever Ole and his crew serve us today.

Baba I don do 3 bottles already, whatever happens I am ready...

slimghost:
This is wrong bro. I think he had injury issues for a season or so. The other season, Mou didn’t play him or he wasn’t fit.
Look at his stats over the last 5 seasons. I intentionally used the last 5 seasons.
Shaw is not better than Chillwell. Both by stats and by eyes. One good season doesn’t make you a good player.

Well, it's down to preference if you read me, I acknowledged that Chilwell has been better this season but it's too early to make a statement...It's like saying Bayern are favorite for the UCL based on their impressive performance in the UCL this season but we all know it's early days, loss of form, injuries or poor selection can ruin their season...

slimghost:
He was plaqued with injuries for 6 years?. Hmmmm

For majority and we al know how his relationship with Mou was like...

slimghost:
I didn’t conclude just from one season. look at it from their performances over like 6 seasons.
Man is better than Shaw. Shaw had a great season last season that’s why he made it ahead of him at the Euros which is normal.
Form is temporal, class is permanent

6 Seasons? Shaw that was plaqued with injuries?

izzou:
[color=royalblue]I have personally watched them on this thread use stats to rate Bruno over Kevin

When it favours them, they use stats

When it doesn't favour them, they ditch stats and use their eyes as proof

Double standards everywhere [/color]

Definitely not me...Ask around...

liveLongNprospa:
I would advice Patrickmuf to avoid replying this

I don't do stats when I can watch two players week in, week out and form an opinion...

slimghost:
My brother, let’s be honest. Shaw is not a better left back than Chillwell abeg. Man is too inconsistent and unserious.

This season? Yes but it's too early to say who is the best in the world or in which position...

Off last season, will you rate Chilwell higher than Shaw?

liveLongNprospa:
Okay without using stats, tell us how Shaw is better than Chilwell.
It should be easy for you

Did you watch them last season?

I watched over 70% of Chelsea games and 80% of Manchester United games so I can categorically drop an informed opinion...

This season isn't even half way gone and for some part, Chilwell was glued to the bench so, what else to you need me to tell you? Early days bro...

liveLongNprospa:
But Shaw's unavailability is a cross he has to bear and even when he has been available, he's only been good for a season infact I'd say half a season because I don't remember shaw being great throughout last season.

The same excuse can be used for Chilwell who also had a bad season which can be put on moving to a new club. I mean the form shaw is showing this season really isn't a surprise to anyone as we have seen it before from him.

Stats are not always bad as they expose the agenda aspect of rating players against themselves.

Stats does not tell the whole story...

Players might get injured off a very bad tackle which isn't their making, so, you'd be wrong if you pinned it on them...

Go to Chelsea thread and see what those who are here yapping their mouths said when Alonso was benching Chilwell...

It's not even worth it to argue further because those who are saying we are emotional are themselves the culprits...

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Bring out the records here and compare them

Very simple.

That's proof, and not emotions[/color]

That's a prove, that you're not using your eyes and watching games...

Stats tell a whole lotta lies...

eph12:
LS has regressed this season, no doubt about that. He was better last season, that's a fact

This is what any reasonable person should say but then, trust folks to point stats to prove what was visible to even the visually impaired...

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Can you show me the stats between Ronaldinho and Salah [within the same period? NO

Can you show me the stats between Gnarby and Ribery [within the same period?

I could go on and on with your examples, but it's not worth it.

Shaw and Chilwell are playing in the same league, and were starters in their respective teams within the same period. That's a good metric for comparison

Which one be Salah and Ronaldinho?[/color]

Is Bruno better than KDB?

Is Gundogan better than KDB?

Let's talk stats...

BikeMan:
This logic has all the K-legs in the world.

When you're ready, oblige me...

izzou:
[color=royalblue]The logic is filled with so much emotions. I couldn't finish reading it sef.

He said Chilwell hasn't done enough to warrant this discussion. Can you imagine?

So what has Shaw done if I may ask?

If I ask for proof now, they will ignore stats and direct me to Southgate[/color]

If I show you stats that Salah is better than Ronaldinho, will you argue otherwise?

Is Gnabry better than Ribbery? If no, what if the stats says otherwise?

I don't do stats, there's more to football than stats...

Iniesta and Zidane are right up there but their stats is easily dwarfed by so many other players in the same position...

BlueAngel444:
so because Shaw had a good couple of months he is now the best thing to happen to lb like Robertson didn't have his year, or Davis, or Chilwell.

Y manu fans for nairaland be like this

Chelsea saying Chilwell was whatever to the bench had nothing to do with Chilwell's performance but how good Alonso was playing. Wait so how did u come up with this your logic

And it's not like as if even when Chilwell was struggling last season that shaw outperformed him

Who mentioned Robertson? Read again...

liveLongNprospa:
Nobody gree put mouth again!

In 7 years or so, Shaw has only had maybe a Year and half of good football

In seven years or thereabout, how long has Shaw been fit for an entire season?

I am not the biggest fan of Shaw but last season he was ahead of Chilwell and to be honest, this season he has underperformed but then, Chilwell has not done enough to warrant this discussion...

Receipts abound on the Chelsea thread where most Chelsea fans said Chilwell was done for especially when he was glued to the bench whilst Alonso reigned Supreme...

If Chilwell continues on playing at this level, overtime, he will displace Shaw as the starting LB for England...

I'd end by saying stats killed the beautiful game and that's why we are having this argument...A pointer? Go and check Koeman's stat as a CB and you'd wonder why he isn't rated as the best CB ever...In this generation, he'd be without doubt be referred to as the G.O.A.T.

weedtaker:
It's at Old Trafford, Liverpool will beg for a draw.

Baba I pray so but I can bet on it...

Watch how Liverpool will play knowing that both Chelsea and City won their games yesterday...

You'd see a team that wants to fight for the title until the very end...It's that determination and hunger to win that will likely see them through...

handelex:
8 fvcking points behind Chelsea and we are yet to play any top side while Chelsea has played Arsenal, Spurs, City, Liverpool even Brentford away...... they've also beaten Villa and Soton who we failed to beat

Just a year ago this Chelsea team was a meme under Lampard who represents the soul and DNA of the club yet he was sacked and here they are today, a real solid title challenging side even when their strikers are misfiring and or injured..

Who go sack Ole for us nau

This is what I and many others have been saying for some time now...Glad you are on this path...

Ole is holding this team back, the earlier he is shown the door, the better...

afrodoc2:
There is nobody like prime Baresi. Baresi played like a mind reader. Speed, acceleration, unbelievable toughness, tackling, interception, ability on the ball, passing, reading the game like PowerPoint.

There is no doubt in my mind that he was the best central defender that I ever watched, and likely the best that ever lived.

I watched some of his clips, his ball carrying ability was something else.

Talking about CBS, I find Koeman's stat unreal...

First Pogba and now, Bruno...It is obvious that the players have come to terms that Ole is simply not good enough...

Roland17:
It is called DNA coaching..

Na the type wen G. Neville carry go Valencia wen show am pepper.. Since then, Baba dey preach him own DNA gospel from studio.

melodyogonna:
Your agenda is kinda going over the top don't you think? You should tune it down

Baba are you sure you have seen the light?

This your love for Ole is worrisome...

afrodoc2:
It’s not rocket science na. We have said here as well.

Speaking like a politician all the time. No single tactical element to his interviews.

Ole doesn't do tactics, the only thing he tells the players is for them to play the United way...

Oasis007:
Carragher: "You look at Klopp’s very first game, away at Tottenham, and Adam Lallana falling into his manager’s arms when he came off because he was that exhausted by the pressing and you knew immediately what Liverpool were. Now Liverpool have improved to the point where they are also one of the best teams on the ball, too. Guardiola in his first few games at City having his full-backs push into midfield. His vision was clear from the start. Tuchel came in at Chelsea with three at the back. At the start of the season the talk was of Solskjaer perhaps moving to 4-3-3. He’d never done that before and it was like, ‘Where’s that come from?’.

"I like to listen to the managers talk after games. If I watch Chelsea, I’ll want to listen to what Tuchel has to say after it because I could take something from it. Klopp, Guardiola, it’s the same. You feel like you’re learning something or are being educated. They may break the game down. Brendan Rodgers did that after Leicester’s victory over United last weekend. They know what the plan is and they know exactly why it has or hasn’t worked. When Solskjaer speaks after games, it’s all about ‘the Man United way’. But what’s the Ole way?"

Damn!

Carragher is spot on...

afrodoc2:
Forget love or hate.

He lost 6-1 to Eruobodo FC.

Nothing concern Amaka with this one.

It's about the person that I quoted...

Is the Europa league now of importance? No be the same trophy wey them dey trash here?

Is it love for Ole or hate for Mou?