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melodyogonna:
Unless there is some unforgivable blunder, Ole will see this season out. Then we can judge ...

Time will tell...

melodyogonna:
I might have been contemplating suicide now if I was forced to endure another 6 months of Mourinho football. Nah, Mourinho does not play the sort of football you can watch for many years. His style of play zaps the life from the game, the players don't like it, the fans don't like it, the management don't like it.

I didn't like it too but saying Mourinho only guarantees short term success is not true...If Pep leaves today and the City management brings in another coach and refuse to back him, he'll fail because the likes of De Bruyne, Fernandinho, Walker etc are aging...We saw what happened in Pep's first season and how they struggled. Continued investment in the team in terms of personnel (players and coaching crew) and facilities is key for success in the long run...

melodyogonna:
Madrid and Chelsea have good player acquisition policies, no matter the manager they'd be getting players that'll improve the squad. Until recently we had no structure to support such method of getting players. Even if Ole left now the structure we have established now will ensure we keep investing in the right players

As you have pointed out, that's not on the coach but the club's management...

melodyogonna:
Lol, I don't think you understand how fast a good, hard work can be undone. I don't know much about UAE leadership but you'd be very surprised to see how bad they'd deteriorate if they get badly managed by 3 leaders in a row.

I bet you, if we had kept Mourinho and spent extra £400m on the squad, he would have delivered more trophies...

Moyes, Van Gaal and Mourinho were bad but they added trophies to our cabinet...De Gea, Shaw, Lindelof, McFred, Pogba, Rashford, Martial, Matic are still players who were brought in by those supposedly bad managers...I am sure if we check Ole has outspent them all with nothing but progress to show for it...

Madrid and Chelsea didn't stop winning post Mou because they kept spending and hired good managers and where they failed, they didn't hesitate to wield the axe...

melodyogonna:
There's something called short-term success and long-term success, there's also something called building for the long term. There's a reason Jose Mourinho does not last longer than 3 seasons in any club. While we did win trophies it wouldn't have taken long to stop competing for anything at all if we continued that path, thank God the management realized we needed stability if we ever want to continue competing in the long term.
I'm confident we will win something this season sha

Unless the owners stops investing, there's no way a team won't continue to do well...Madrid and Chelsea has proven this whole talk of short term success wrong...

It's only short term when the owners stop investing...After Mourinho, Madrid kept winning and even got better at it, same with Chelsea...If not for Ole, we should have at least have won 2 trophies since Mourinho left...£400m no be beans except Ole is your manager...

ChristineC:
mehn this your Nigerian analogy is way off target

No, it's not...It's like the UAE and Nigeria both have oil but one uses her oil money to import western technologies to the benefit of their citizenry whilst we choose to do otherwise here. The UAE didn't say because they're not as old as the US, Japan or Germany then they should be excused...

It's the same scenario here, Fergie has done the dirty job, now the club is bigger and can attract the best players so, it's inexcusable for any coach to come here, have the club spend some much in transfer fees and wages yet want to be given as much time as Fergie...

melodyogonna:
You keep mouthing about financial war chest. Didn't we have this financial war chest when we hired three "world class" managers and played atrocious football?

Don't stop there, add that they won trophies too...

Brighton play good football without trophies, that's not what I want from Manchester United...

melodyogonna:
Your analogy is flawed. First, the problem with Nigeria apart from the fact it was designed to fail is corruption.

Man United on the other is hand is comparable to the two scenarios. Both SAF, Klopp, and Ole were handed a team with lots of deadwood and underperforming players. So everyone had the job of building a trophy-winning team. I read SAF's autobiography, he said in his early seasons the media was coming for his head because he didn't win anything yet, but thankfully the club owners knew the work he was doing behind the scenes, and they knew he was taking the club to the right direction so they supported him.

I once read a Liverpool fan's answer on Reddit to "How did you know Klopp was going to be successful after so many years?" He said that at the end of every season you could see signs of definite improvement, you'd be lying if you don't see it in our case now.

But ofcourse, all these coaches had the skeptical, impatient fans that wanted the coaches sacked.

When SAF took over, the club didn't have the financial war chest it has now...

Ole has spent more than £400m in 2.5 years years here but you want us to compare him to Klopp and Fergie...Based the money spent, Ole has no excuse whatsoever not to deliver...£400m is not beans...How much has Rodgers, Simeone and the likes spent in that time frame? Before you talk about how poor a squad we have, some of our best players are still players we had before Ole came in.

melodyogonna:
All these ones na long story sha. Did SAF take 5 years to win silverware? Did it take Klopp 4 years to win silverware?

Why are you complaining about Nigeria? Why not wait to see Nigeria at 200 yrs and above before comparing us to the Western powers?

Manchester City were bought in 2008 but won the league in 2011/2012 season...You think City will give any coach 3 years in hope that he will win the league?

Gambit001:
Clarifying #MUFC and Ole Gunnar Solskjaer Twitter Misconceptions

1. “Solskjaer has been in charge for 4 years.

Subtract 4 from 2021 and it’s 2017.
Ole became the permanent manager in March 2019 and this is his 3rd full season in charge.

It’s been 2 years and 5 months. Not 4 years.

2. “We are playing shit football. It’s boring.”

Goals in 17/18: 99
Goals in 18/19: 84
Goals in 19/20: 110
Goals in 20/21: 116

Games under Moyes, LvG and Jose (combined) where United scored 5+ goals: 2

Games under Solskjaer where United scored 5+ goals: 10

But sure, boring.

3. “4-3-3 or nothing.”

Bust. While 4-3-3 will be used against certain oppositions (bottom half teams and low blocks), 4-2-3-1 will remain our primary formation. There is more than one way to win a title you know…

4.“We play two DMs in 4-2-3-1.”

Again, NOPE. Ole wants hybrid midfielders in the pivot — who play as a progressive CM on the ball and as a defensive CM off the ball. Such midfielders exhibit a high work rate and dominance on pitch.
Hence McFred works against most teams. Think.

5. “Ole preaches but doesn’t promote the youth.”

Tell that to Mason Greenwood, Anthony Elanga, Shola Shoretire, Brandon Williams, Tahith Chong, James Garner, Dean Henderson, Teden Mengi, Hannibal Mejbri, Dylan Levitt, Will Fish, Ethan Laird and Ethan Galbraith.

6. “Manchester United under Solskjaer have no pull.”

So Raphael Varane, Jadon Sancho, Harry Maguire, Bruno Fernandes and Edinson Cavani just magically dropped from the skies onto Old Trafford, right?
Also, a certain Paul Pogba loves Solskjaer. Make that of what you will. ��‍♂️

7. “Ole is tactically naive. Just vibes.”

I wonder who schooled Marcelo Bielsa, Pep Guardiola, Jose Mourinho, Juergen Klopp, Julian Nagelsmann, Mauricio Pochettino and Thomas Tuchel?

Was it Aladdin’s genie?

PS: Arsenal curse (Arteta, Emery) to end this season.



8. “We will never win a trophy under Ole. Move him on.”

He’s assembling a world class squad and now you don’t want him to fulfil his project? Bleep logic.

Klopp took 4 years to win silverware.
SAF took 5 years to win silverware.
Ole will win silverware this season (his 3rd).

Makes no sense to me...

SAF didn't meet a Manchester United that so powerful (Huge financial war chest), he gradually managed to get the team to a position where they're one of the biggest clubs in the world with huge revenues...A club without a sugar daddy yet is one of the biggest spenders...

If SAF was hired today, nobody will give him 5 years, not at a club like Manchester United that spends a lot which in turn means greater demand for trophies...

I have trashed this line of thought before. It's like saying since it took America over 200 years to get to where they are, Nigeria can be excused for where we find ourselves when in all honesty, the West have done the hard work and are still in the business of doing more, all we have to do is import the technologies from the West. We have the money to do so if not to even start developing ours...

Talking about Klopp, he had earned the right to have the Liverpool board exercise some patience. His achievement with Dortmund is outstanding. He signed for Liverpool in October, 2015 and finished as runners up in the UEL.
In the 2016/2017 season, they finished 4th.
In the 2017/2018 season they were runners up in the UCL...
In 2018/2019 they won the UCL and finished runners up in the league with 97 pts...
In 2019/2020, they won the league.
In 2020/2021, they finished 3rd in league after an injury ravaged campaign.

2 finals in Europe in his first 3 seasons (2 and a half sef) . In his time at Anfield, Liverpool has reached 3 European finals winning 1...They have posed to greatest challenge to Pep and City...Abeg don't compare Klopp at Liverpool to Ole...

Your point about goals scored is meaningless without trophies...

Promoting youths? Nobody has held that against him, it is you arguing with your imagination...

If Ole likes, he should beat Pep, Klopp, Tuchel, Benitez, NES, Rodgers again but if he fails to win the league or any other major trophy, he'd be adjudged a failure...

nosiebaba:
Missed the point again, what are weapons used for, to kill mosquitoes or humans? What if they are in the wrong hands in the hands of terrorists. Russia and China developing weapons everyday is a game of superiority between them and the USA. Who has a better capacity of wiping the other out completely with one strike. Russia developing Satan nuclear weapons is only to match their rivals.

You're one stubborn fella, you made a point that was challenged and rightly so but you're trying to work your way around it...

nosiebaba:
The original post in general is about weapons that have fallen in the hands of the taliban. And these taliban are allies of( China, Iran, turkey) strongest confirmed enemies of the USA, Not just black hawks. Amongst these weapons are black hawks, attack helicopters, missiles and even fighter jets. I know people always want to claim superiority of knowledge in other people's posts even when they miss the point.
There is now a TERRORIST AIR FORCE

Abeg go back to the post he quoted, he clearly made reference to the weapons that was mentioned...

There’s nothing about black hawks...

nosiebaba:
Oga Google is your friend. And who said apaches weren't used in the war too

Who said they aren't used for wars? You obviously over hyped the black hawk.

raumdeuter:
Boateng is relaxing now and relishing the great trophies he won in his career, The same trophies Terry and Silva are chasing till now

Silva has won an international trophy and the UCL with several recognitions along the way...Has Boateng ever made it to a team of the week?

raumdeuter:
Playing at the top level is what counts. Some players bow out, Some don't mind embarrassing themselves going to Aston Villa or QPR

You will see that the moment Silva or Terry win the world cup the following day they will stop football

So what is Boateng still looking for na? Is it CAF Champions league, or AFC Champions league he is looking for?

If Snake bite him in that forest it will not be funny...Meanwhile, let me even ask, is it world cup Ribery is looking for?

Tomahawk99:
Black Hawk so sophisticated? Black Hawk is not Apache please. Black Hawk is not even among top 5 most advanced helicopters.

Well said...

raumdeuter:
He has done it early in life his strugggles in his 30s are inconsequential
Do you dell on the fact that Ronaldinho and Kaka were not playing top level football in their 30s while Mark Noble is

They were not clubless at least...Boateng is an African, Akwa United or Wikki Tourist won't say no to him, let him come back or better still, let him join Berekum Chelsea in Ghana...

raumdeuter:
When you do stuff early in life, you win the biggest trophies early you wont be struggling at 40yrs

But but Boateng the early achiever is STRUGGLING to find a club...

raumdeuter:
What you do in your 30s doesnt matter when you have won it all earlier in life, WHen you see a 70yr old man writing JAMB you will ask what he was doing at 17

Please tell Boateng to go and rest after all you claim he should be resting now...His mates are still commanding reasonable transfer fees but baba is struggling to find a club even though he is a free agent...This life no balance...

melodyogonna:
My one problem with him. Go dey play same set of players week in week out.

I hope with the new signings and return of Key players, he'll use the squad better...

DeadPresidents:
These are terrible things you are suggesting.

Why should we field McTom who does not have the passing range/positional awareness necessary to anchor the midfield as a sole DM against a pressing Southampton side?

Are Southampton that strong with Ings and Vestegaard gone? Sancho for James though is fine...

Depending on how the game unfolds, Martial for one of McFred in 2nd half...

ChristineC:
arsenal may also be in for him at reduced cost next summer.

Levy will rather shoot Kane than allow him join Arsenal...

TrebleChamp:
Ole wey no kuku sabi use all his players well b4, Linderlof benching fit long pass the proposed 4th mainland bridge

Hehehe No be lie...

ChristineC:
I don't think Kane has ever been on United radar. if he's blocked from moving to City this year, leaving England may be his only choice.

Maybe PSG but age is not on his side...

Oasis007:
Fixed.

Thank you...

Oasis007:
Solskjær on Varane: "Champions League, World Cup wins, everything about him is class. Quick, strong, good in the air, can play with both feet, the short answer is everything about him is what you want."

Lindelof e don be for you...

Oasis007:
Solskjær: "With Amad, I have to say he's doing really, really well in training, he's come back a little later after the Olympics and now he's looking really good. I wouldn't be surprised if he stays as well. It has to be the right loan, the club, way of playing."

Amad should stay and deputize for Sancho...Greenwood should be played as a CF going forward, he and Cavani should share game time occupying that position whilst Martial and Rashford battle for the LWF position...James can play on either wings in cup games...

lordfalcao:
fake love. We no need am

Okay, Chelsea CEO...

ChristoBam:
You mean Kane might end up at City.

And I just pray a new revelation pops up this year. Just like Haaland and Mbappe. Make we sef sign that one.

If Kane does not get the move this summer then it might just be his last chance to get that big move.

lordfalcao:
you are one of them. Man u fan na so jorginho matter Dy so dear to you

Try harder...

lordfalcao:
seems like you are one of the herd mentality. This one you are boiling a over 100 degrees

You're not making any sense...