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raumdeuter:
Salah broke the EPL record did what no player has ever done in the league. And I said he is in the argument for best African

This year he repeated it topped the league twice in a row, Showing it wasnt a fluke and has finally proven that he is the best

So, is Auba and Mane now in the argument for best ever African players? Even they go on to repeat the feat next season, will it make them greater than Yaya, Drogba, Kanu etc?

Melvyn11:
What are you saying?

List the more or less the same set of players Fergie used over his reign...

Melvyn11:
Sorry Ferguson sold 22players and rebuild another 22 in the same season. He didn't make minor adjustments from time to time little by little to phase out old and sold players and bring in new players to take their place. Just see your self.

Lost the more or less the same players during Fergie's reign...

raumdeuter:
Thatw as a fluke until they repeated it 2 yrs later

So what was your justification for tagging Salah the best African player ever in the history of the EPL? eph12 asked same question.

Melvyn11:
It's easier for Ferguson to stay at one club with the same footballing and social culture with more less the same players adding one or two when needed that going to a different league like pep and Mourinho did chosing to operate in a foreign land and master their footballing and social cultures with a completely new group of players.

More or less the same players? I give up...

raumdeuter:
You have to do it consistently to be known as the great of your time, Thats why no one will mention Kaka where they are calling Messi, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho Zidane R9.. Rather Kaka will be in the league of one time winners like Figo Rivaldo

Still he has the Balon D'or.

Melvyn11:
Seriously man. Are you claiming Blackburn and Newcastle had the financial ability and club structure of United then? How many years did those team dominate lol.

That they didn't go on to dominate is down to the brilliance of Fergie.

raumdeuter:
2 years later barcelona won again to show it was no fluke

Unlike chelsea or inter

So, on that year they won the sextuple, were not not the best team in the world?

Melvyn11:
We are talking about United which is irrelevant to what he did at Aberdeen. After dominating with United why didn't he try other leagues and rebuild another team as a genius he is.

At what age? You tried to ridicule his achievement with United, I showed you what he did with Aberdeen now you're asking why he didn't take up another challenge, it's folks like you that questioned Jesus...

popizaino:
Your club man united broke the English transfer record on a single player Paul pogba and a teenager martial, Liverpool on the other hand, broke the record on a defender, my team Chelsea did that with a goalkeeper but let ignore all and make excuses for man united alone. #hypocrisyathisfinest

You are just jumping on a convo you didn't follow, the guy claimed Fergie bullied other teams and I showed him that it wasn't true, Blackburn at the time, Newcastle and even. Leeds United had the financial clout to go toe to toe with Manchester United...How is it an excuse?

Melvyn11:
Bwhahaha and how many transfer records did Ferguson break during his tenure at United? How many seasons did Blackburn and Newcastle dominate?

At least I have shown you he wasn't bullying the other teams as you wrote in your post.

Melvyn11:
Did Ferguson start winning immediately he came to united? Nah Ferguson could never had left united. He was a Coward who was scared to leave his comfort soon and try other challenges.

The things we get to read on here...Please do a brief research before coming out to say some stuffs, check what Fergie did with Aberdeen before joining United, he is a legend there you know and at a young age or were Aberdeen the biggest club in Scotland? Check what he did in Europe with Aberdeen then come back here and tender an apology.

Melvyn11:
Ferguson was a brilliant manager,No doubt or argument about that. But this rebuilding angle is pure bullshit. United has a club was built around Ferguson. He was literally In charge of everything. What difficulty did he encounter in rebuilding, Was he ever in danger of being sacked...never. Unlimited resources and a wonderful academy . He had all time and resources at his disposal. He could go seasons trophyless and nothing would have happened. He should try it in this modern era. He would have been sacked.

It was not given to him, he earned it...

eph12:
If he had known that question was a trap, he would have ignored it

A carefully set trap...

Melvyn11:
Romantism for united fans.
Ferguson had no competition in the 90s, united where the rich bullies in the league, Ferguson never had to built a new team, continuing a dynasty where everything is built to your vision is easier compared to jumping in to a new club and winning every 3 years.

Ignorance at its peak, bullied who? Blackburn? Newcastle? Please go and check how much those clubs splashed on players, Blackburn broke the English transfer record for Shearer but Fergie is the bully.

eph12:
Still waiting for raumdeuter to explain how 1 season is not enough to say a league is dominating others but 1 season was enough to crown Salah as African best and at the same time say Pep dominated the league

God bless you bro...Maybe Modric shouldn't have been crowned with the Balon D'or as it's just a season of exceptional display...

Melvyn11:
it's easier to constantly rebuild the team you have managed for 20+ year and having the club structure built around You like Ferguson had at United and now pep at City. Pep just 3yrs already at a club built around him has already destroyed the Epl and set unprecedented records.

City were already a very well oiled Ma Hine before Pep came and he has since been supported with funds to get it right. Where was Manchester United before Fergie joined?
I don't even want to talk about what Fergie did with Aberdeen...

Melvyn11:
It's way easier Being in a club where you are practically a living legend. Ferguson could literally go 3 seasons trophyless rebuilding the team and United won't dare sack him. He should try it at Barca or Madrid and see the outcome.

Before Fergie, how many EPL titles did Manchester United have? Were we a European power house? Fergie did it with Steve Bruce and Mark Hughes, he did it with Cantona, he did it with Cole and Yorke, he did it with Nistelrooy, Becks and Giggs, he did it with Rooney, Ronaldo and Tevez, he did it with Van Persie. Building teams after teams whilst still being at the top level of the game. You think it's easy to motivate same group of players after doing so well previously or starting from the scratch when your best players move on or start aging?

I am almost certain that if City had reached the finals, Pep fan boys will be here in their numbers saying the performance of EPL teams should be credited to Pep and that the league is the best. I just wanted Dayo to say it that the league is best then I would have asked what role Pep played...
Poch, Klopp, Sarri and Emery have made the league proud, they raised their game in Europe, a shame Pep can't stand up and be counted when it matters most...

Imagine Raumdeuter saying you can say a certain league is the best in the world until they do it over a couple of years but we have seen the likes of Kaka have one very exceptional season and we're crowned best player in the world, fluke, no?

A40:
Wetin concern me and Pep? Just saying United had significant financial muscle at the time as well

Well, the discussion was related to other coaches, so if you put up that as a reason for Fergie's dominance in the league, it is only fair that we judge other managers with the same book.

raumdeuter:
Just like Bailly and fred were highly sought after

So he shouldn't make it look like Pep bought and unknown and used his magic wand to turn him into a very reliable CB

raumdeuter:
It takes more than a year to determine best league

There are flukes

You can fluke a random win like hashim Rahman

So that Barcelona team that won the sextuple and was celebrated as one of the best in the history of the game shouldn't have been crowned the best team of the year because maybe it was a fluke?
Some achievements are unprecedented and this season, with Liverpool and Tottenham in the finals of the UCL and Arnseal and Chelsea in the finals of the Europa League, the EPL has demonstrated its quality and strength in the grandest of stages, best league in Europe at the moment.

popizaino:
I will like to know all your world class players before the new season commences and the ones you wish your team to sign cus I don't want a situation where by pep guardiola goes on to sign another unknown laporte then automatically you dubbed him to be a world class the same world class player you never recommended for your teams when they were elsewhere or insulted your board if they had signed them.

Same Laporte that was highly rated and sought after together with Inigo Martinez of Sociedad? So much for an unknown.

raumdeuter:
It takes more than a season

We had an all German CL final in 2013 did it make bundesliga better than spain

Yes, the Bundesliga was the best that year.

raumdeuter:
It takes more than a season

We had an all German CL final in 2013 did it make bundesliga better than spain

At the moment, which league is the best in Europe? I am talking about 2018/2019 season...It is too difficult to answer?

A40:
Fergie outspent everyone in England. He had that luxury.

Just like Pep is enjoying the luxury now...

raumdeuter:
Use that logic to tell us what arsenal of 2006, liverpool of 2005, Chelsea of 2012 had to play for

The EPL is currently the best league in Europe, true or false?

raumdeuter:
Give us one season where Ferguson had 2 rivals as cl finalists and the same season 2 yorupa finalists

Just 1 season

Ferguson faced 5 cl finalists in 26yrs, guardiola faced 2 in 1 season and 3 in 2 seasons winning both

This argument you have put forth will be used against you in due time although I know you'll quickly start questioning when last they won the league...

raumdeuter:
You mean a league of 2 cl finalists, 2 yorupa finalists plus 1 cl quarter finalist where 97 points cannot win the league
Is not tougher than anything Ferguson ever faced?
Now show us any year Ferguson faced this level of opposition in the league

Ferguson's best ever point total in his 26yrs will only be good enough for 3rd position this season

What exactly did Chelsea and Arsenal have to play for? Spurs only focused on the UCL cos they couldn't keep pace with the league but we should not hear word.
Same Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs who have otherwise had undermining a very undermining season is the ones you are trying to hype? Only Liverpool have had a great season bar trophies at this point. You can ask the average Arsenal, Chelsea or Spurs fans if they think the season has been great and bar a Spurs fan who would pin everything down to them winning the UCL for it to be considered a great season, the other two set of fans will answer in the affirmative that it hasn't been a great season for their respective teams. You can conduct that assessment here.

raumdeuter:
Guardiola faced
liverpool back to back cl finalist
Tottenham cl finalist
Man utd cl quarter finalist
Chelsea yorupa finalist
Arsenal yorupa finalist

All in one season and beat all of them to the league

Point one season out of ferguson's 26yrs that he faced this level of teams

Traditional big teams, I have shown you how competitive the midtable teams were, Fulham and Boro reach the UEFA cup finals, a lot more eye catching than Arsenal and Chelsea who are some of the biggest spenders out there...
In Fergie Era, it was a norm seeing 3 English teams in the UCL semis, I mean that Era saw Liverpool win the UCL and lost one final, it saw Arsenal reach the final, it saw Chelsea reach the final three different finalist yet he always found a way to stay top.
Now, we will not hear word because Pep won a league with Liverpool and Spurs who are UCL finalist.

Seriously, our players are overpaid, what has Lingard done in his career to be on such high wages? Rashford? Martial? Jones? Smalling? No wonder Herrera thought he was underpaid.

raumdeuter:
It's basic common sense. One season doesn't make a league the best, it requires several seasons at the top like spain did from 2014 till 2018

2 of city's rivals who city won the league against are in the CL finals this season and this season will be 1st and 2nd in Europe

That's the opposition guardiola faced and beat

Who were the teams Ferguson faced and what was their standing in Europe?

Guardiola faced and beat a league that's stronger than anything Ferguson ever faced. Facts
A league where 97 points which is better than anything Ferguson ever achieved was not good enough to win the league

FFS, Ferguson in 1999 won the league with 79 points that's about 20 points less

Doesn't in anyway mean the league this season was tougher...