₦airaland Forum

mightyhaze:
His uncle isn't a governor either

His uncle is a responsible father so he's governing his family

It's their civic right to protest disobedience to rule of law. Fubara should not be a rascal

Kukutenla:
Well, he's doing something worse now. He's killing the party on the inside for the benefit of APC just because of a ministerial position. Just like Judas got 30 pieces of silver to betray Jesus while posing as a disciple

Atiku is an opposite of what Jesus represent, so Wike is not wrong on what he's doing. If Atiku can stay out of the party affair, trust Wike he's a good party man.

Kukutenla:
The presidency was microzoned in 1999. The presidency has not always between North and south. If it were so, Jonathan wouldn't have emerged president in 2010 deep into the "turn of the North".
You can pick and choose zoning. Are you saying in 2031, the NW can also vie for presidency again?

Why is Tinubu there after OBJ 8yrs?

I pity Iran! They're just playing with the lives of their helpless citizens.

Kukutenla:
When it's convenient, you guys start mouthing South
If Wike was fighting for South, why didn't he accept the offer to microzone to the SE?

The presidency has always been between South and North zoning. The right thing to do is to zone it first to south, maybe the southerners will agree to micro zone it. Atiku is d worst desperado I've ever seen

Kukutenla:
Lol
So Atiku who is a founding member for PDP should leave for Wike because...

He left before, so he's used to that. Wike has never cross-carpeted and doesn't know the taste.

Kukutenla:
Lol
Even when Secondus who is Wike's Kinsman was party chair, Atiku still won the ticket
You think it's all about money?

He got compromised and that's the root of the rift between him and Wike till today. Now there are so many ways to stop him especially if his state gov is not with him.

Kukutenla:
So zoning is not a must then

Him taking over 2010 has nothing to do with zoning rather it's his constitutional right. Gov Lucky of Ondo constitutionally took over when Aketi died n it has nothing to do with where two of them came from.

Kukutenla:
When did I say Wike working against him is bad?
Learn to read English
Wike should have exited the party
Is wike still working against Atiku today by ensuring that PDP remains weak?

Atiku can leave as well. No one has the monopoly of leaving or sticking with the party. Why did he come back after his treacherous voyage to another party.

Kukutenla:
So if Tinubu had the highest stake, why didn't he put himself forward but instead allowed the man with the second biggest stake to enjoy the party before him?
Since it is about stake, I guess Amaechi will take over after Tinubu since I think he should have the third biggest stake

Based on zoning and it's possibility to defeat the then pdp govt, the Northerner was to be projected, and Tinubu was asked to produce the vice which he did comfortably. Amaechi was a pdp member, and even though he tried in making the party wins he didn't participate in forming it, and beside the ticket is going back to North after Tinubu

Kukutenla:
How many years is a party chair's tenure?
How many govs does PDP have in NE?

1. 4yrs
2. 3govs

Mrexcell:
No one needs any seer to know this wike is about to make pdp loose rivers state for the very first time to the app.

And you think he can't reclaim it asap come 2027?

Kukutenla:
You see, the problem is when you look at something from one angle
With the prevailing atmosphere in the north in 2014, do you think Atiku would not have been accused of betraying the north if he had teamed up with Jonathan when the likes of Kwankwaso, El-Rufai, Nyako, Talba etc etc had abandoned him? Probably today, folks like you will say he is a man who sold his own out just to become president and is thus not worthy of any northerner's support

Then why do u think that Wike working against him is bad since it would've be a betrayal in the side of the South? Doesn't that sound hypocritical to you?

Kukutenla:
Exactly!! If principles matter, GEJ will not run in 2011. If principles are the koko, Buhari will not run in 2015. He already said the 2011 elections was his last. If principles was everything, Tiubu will not support a known bigot like Buhari to become president twice even when he was badly treated in return. I agree Atiku undermined Jonathan but I am pointing out to you that Wike is doing far worse to PDP than Atiku did. PDP is almost certain not to recover from what is going on within its ranks now. A lot of its members are losing faith in the party not to mention ordinary Nigerians and it is all thanks to Wike's shenanigans

Let Atiku go and form another party and leave pdp for Wike, shikena!

Kukutenla:
So Atiku purchased the party ticket twice to beat Wike in a party funded by Wike? Does that not mean Atiku is miles ahead of Wike politically?

Wike is killing the party he never built now. He never decamped from the party because the party favoured him. Now that the party is not to his favour, instead of decamping like any decent person will do, he's choosing to play the fifth columnist and kill the party from within to the joy of the opposing camp. I don't know how that makes sense to you than decamping.
If Atiku gets the ticket again what will you do? Was Wike in Mars when Atiku got PDP ticket in 2019 and 2023?

He got it because he has d money and Ayu was fully playing his cards. It won't happen again. Even Damagun leaves, Wike's ally will replace him. We must stop customer dada

Kukutenla:
1. At least get your dates right. Yaradua died May 2010. How's that barely two years to 2007
2. That is what I am still saying. If zoning is to be adhered to, Jonathan shouldn't have taken office in 2010 not to talk of running in 2011. If you support Jonathan then, and you start complaining against Atiku in 2023, you're simply an hypocrite
3. Again, a President dying in office is not novel in Nigeria. Get your facts right
4. Again, you are laying conditions on zoning. If zoning is such a sacred agreement, it should not be based on behaviour. To claim zoning was jetissoned based on behaviour of the north is hypocritical.
5. You said there was a written agreement. Show it na. Abi you nor dey eat and drink politics again?
6. You guys always make leaving a party look like a betrayal. It is not. Especially if you are not holding political office. Leaving a party is not even as serious as leaving a job. Almost all our politicians have switched party at one time or the other. Be it Tinubu, Buhari, Oshiomole etc. So making something that is widespread and legal a sin is just unreasonable. Even in the US, politicians switch parties from time to time.
7. Are all the southern govs PDP members. Is there any rule that says PDP is bound by decision of southern govs? I hope you are aware that even APC did not zone its presidential ticket in 2023. What do you say to that? That means APC also went against the stand of the southern govs. In fact, it was Wike elements in PDP that insisted that the party ticket be not zoned. Do you dispute this or not? Wike was expecting to be made VP to Atiku. It was when Okowa was chosen that he went ballistic. Do you also dispute this

Why shouldn't he take over when they ran a joint ticket. By the constitution it's his right

Kukutenla:
This funny claim of Wike built PDP from you APC minion is funny as it is ridiculous. PDP produced 3 presidents from 1999 to 2015 but suddenly it is wike that built it. Who built APC if I may ask? Is the builder president today?
Atiku is part of the G34 group that formed PDP. As a matter of fact, he was the leader of PDM the Yaradua movement that birthed PDP.

The person that's the president today has the highest stake in APC n that's why they couldn't dislodge him when they wanted to. The second highest contributor is the man from Daura n he has benefited as well. Atiku may be one of those that formed the party but he destroyed it in 2014/15 and Wike picked it up and ensure that it doesn't die. By the way, why can't Atiku form a new party since he's big and allow Wike to have pdp since he had left the party before? If Obi comes back during upcoming Anambra election to drag who'll be d party candidate with Sanusi only the ground that he's one of the fore elders of the party, I will personally oppose him because he had left d party and worked against it.

Kukutenla:
There's an agreement that the party chair should be from NC. What is Damagun still doing there? The fact is that the other side are not ready to get into roforofo with Wike's side. That's why it's looking as if he's all powerful. If he was as powerful as you're painting him, how did he lose the presidential ticket twice?

Why are you talking about the new agreement while the old one was jettisoned by Atiku's camp? Ayu was there illegally and has spent the NC own while of course wasn't theirs. How many are there? Count them let's see. Have you forgotten how Fintri released a communique of NE pdp govs stands, have anyone of them rejected it since then? Bala is on his own in NE. He only has Adeleke on his side who can easily be overshadowed by Seyi in SW. A'Ibom can easily go Wike's side bcoz of his relationship with Akpabio. In fact study this case you will know that Wike will win it. The next thing that will happen now is that Obaseki and his group in pdp will be suspended to hand the structure back to Wike's allies.

Kukutenla:
Where was Wike when Atiku was founding the party between 1999 and 2015. If others did not start and nurture the party from 1999-2015, Wike will not have anything to fund in 2015 with Rivers fund. It is funny how Nigerian youths think funding a political party is a benevolent act that demands returns in many folds.
Wike has always had control of the party according to you but he was never able to produce the party's flagbearer twice!!
Wike is not alpha and omega of PDP. It speaks to the nature of Nigerian politics that people will call white black not based on any serious principle or idea but who was funding who?
The question is since Wike was funding the party, why couldn't he produce his preferred candidate twice? An adage says if you claim to be leader and you have to remind everyone everytime that you're leader, then you're not leading. You're only pulling

Those who raise the child born by a mad woman is more of the father than those who impregnate the mad women.

Kukutenla:
Yes and that is how it should be in politics. The party should exist to further the interest of the members not that of outsiders. That is the anomaly in the Wike scenario. All the governors who are staying quiet are doing so because their interest is intertwined with the interest of PDP right? What is Wike's interest? Is he working to ensure PDP produce a credible candidate that can win the center or he is working to ensure PDP remains weak so as to leave the door open for their opponents to continue to occupy the centre?
The biggest losers in all these are the people. What Wike is effectively doing is creating a one party system. No opposition. So how do people vote out APC in 2027?

Wike has never worked for APC until the likes of runaway Atiku, Tambu came and hijacked the party structure from him. Thanks for his strong ties with the real party members

Kukutenla:
You are not making any sense. APC already knew their candidate will come from the north in 2015. That was the obvious and easiest way to unseat Jonathan. And that way came up from Jonathan's decision to contest in 2010 despite it still being the turn of the North. The zoning of position is a party affair not a national affair. Buhari ran in 2003, 2007, 2011,2015 regardless of who was on seat and whose turn it should be. In 2023, he was backing Lawan. That shows you that what you neophytes in politics call zoning is just a political weapon for politicians. None of them are really serious about it. If today the events of politics favour jettisoning of zoning, it will be thrown out the window.

P.S. Even TInubu supported Jonathan in 2010. So you can see how many politicians have gone against your holy grail called zoning

Oga ur Atiku nor go bi presido na by force? Make hin go contest 4 Cameroun his home country

Kukutenla:
If you say so about Atiku what of Amaechi who is from Jonathan's neck of the woods? In fairness to Atiku he already said it since 2010 that Jonathan shouldn't run since it was still the turn of the north then. His stand was rebuffed. 2023 and people are calling him names for running when it was presumably the turn of the south in another party.
I'm not defending Atiku mind you. He miscalculated and let desperation for power and regional sentiments bamboozle him into jumping the ship in 2015 but I insist the two people I mentioned are far better than Wike's.
Wike is actively pulling the house down and saying if I don't benefit from it, then no one else will. That's the activity of fifth columnists and spies on display in the open. He is getting away with it because of the presidential backing he has and nothing else. If not, even most of those following him will have deserted him by now.
If you know you have nothing positive to offfer a place, why don't you leave and let the rest who want to make use of the platform do so and let's see what they are able to do without you. But to stand in the way of others for your selfish benefit is just total treachery.

Wike stayed back and built the party when Atiku, Tambu and others left it. He singlehandedly sponsored the party from NEC to even across the States and that's why you're seeing other states having strong ties with him. Now that he has succeeded in saving the party, Atiku from nowhere wants to snatch it from him, Omorr we die dia! It's either I have my possession or I scatter it. Dey play!

Kukutenla:
You have a good point. But Atiku had the decency to leave the party when he wasn't getting what he wanted there
Where is the honor in staying in a place when your sole aim is to destroy the place? Is there a better meaning to traitor than that?

Why did he come back to inherit the project that was held from collapse by another man when he abandoned it?

Kukutenla:
APC had the president and party chair from the same zone from 2020 to 2022
We didn't hear a whimper of betrayal from you lots then
It is always easy to analyse when you're pointing fingers
Damagun is from NE when the party chair is zoned to NC
Anyway, with all of Wike's noise so far, only two govs are relating with him at least publicly

Was there an agreement made before Ayu was accepted, yes! He should step aside if a Northern candidate emerges and continue if a Southern candidate emerges. He has more govs than the one you see, and having the NEC is far bigger than those useless Bala n co

Kukutenla:
Well...
PDP is suffering from the malaise called APC
They have been able to infiltrate PDP with a Trojan horse and bleeding the party from the inside
Sometimes I wonder how Wike sleeps at night. I'm sure even he is confused with the role he's playing. How can you be happy playing spoiler for so long against a party you built your career from and benefitted immensely.
It takes a conscience deeply dulled with matured alcohol and other substances to be able to live with oneself while playing such role.
And his supporters will call fubara betrayal?!!

How do you feel when you built a house and someone that abandoned the project comes to take over it??

Nice2023:
I never for ones commented about Edo election. Quote me where u saw my comment.

The 'you' means those that boast so much here. As far as the seat is not going out of River State nothing will happen

Omoboricash:
You mean court stopped Local government election in River state?

Yes nah

Shawarmagirl:
The same way he's bigger than all the PDP governors put together, is the same way he will be bigger than all the APC governors put together when he eventually decamp to APC.

Those APC supporters cheering him should continue. Table will change one day.

APC is definitely bigger than him. He can't take hold of APC because he hasn't made anyone there. That's why Tinubu won APC ticket against all odds. Wike made up to half of pdp govs including NEC

Nice2023:
Hmm...a governor whose tribe controls 12 local govt in Rivers state.

Oga,leave this matter,e pass u honestly.

Wait and see how powerful a sitting governor in Rivers state is.

Wike is just ranting.

When Rivers state coughs,Nigeria catches cold.

Just as you told us about Edo

Racoon:
Perhaps Makinde has seen the untamed side of Nyesom Wike tyrannical and emperorship. Let the G-5 continue their idiocy with this drunk. The consequences will consume all of them.

plus Fintri=G6

desiredhome:
Wike is a demigod to you and not true Rivers State indigene....
If not for greed/poverty mindset Who is woke?
Nonsense

Kindly tell us who is bigger than him politically in Rivers now