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Fayose has been advertising on front pages of newpapers with money entrusted to him by the people of Ekiti while non teaching staff of EkSu are yet to receive their Nov and Dec salaries, is this the kind of people we want running our states or our country, pls add if you know any other governor from any other party following this trend

torchwave:
Please give us names of the omniscient christians you've come across.


I shall attempt your question because the answer is already in the Bible.


Why did God keep Noah to repopulate the earth if He knew man would continue in sin? Your question in a nutshell.


In the garden of Eden, when Man fell, God told the devil that His seed, Jesus, would bruise his head while the devil would bruise His heel. The prophecy had not come to pass during the Flood.


God's plans are different from your plans. He might tell you His destination but you can never understand the path He takes to that destination. His ways are mysterious. His ultimate plan was redemption of Man but the devil tried to stop that plan by making evil increase on the earth so that God would destroy man that the seed as prophesied should not come to pass. God destroyed the earth with water but He kept Noah to be His vessel through which His Word would come to pass.


Now if God destroyed man from the face of the earth without fulfilling His plan of redemption from sin, does that make His Word reliable?


Others might give even better reasons than this but this should suffice as answer to your question.

instead of this long epistle you should have just said God works in mysterious ways

Scaredsilent:
One more homophobic bigot to worry about

well am not the one planning on committing suicide

One less gay for us to worry about

italo:
1. You and who dey talk about superman? Show me the conversations you've had about superman on nairaland.

2. No one is forcing God on you here. How can they?

I talk about superman or naruto with my junior brother

dont let me go on about no 2

italo:
I would have something to say about it but i would spend all my strength and life on it...

...and i believe deities like ogun exist.

much less what i believe doesnt exist

just like I have something to say now... and mind you how have I spent all my strength arguing about your God on naira land... you are free to check my posts if you have any doubts

We all talk about superman even though we know he doesn't exist.... But a problem arises when a segment of the population thinks he is real and tries to push him on everybody

italo:
You are just obsessed with God.

I dont rant my whole life about anything i claim doesnt exist.

are you gonna answer my question or are you gonna keep on ranting about how am obsessed with a God that doesn't exist

ROSSIKE:
I'm no atheist, but I do not accept for one second that the Creator of the universe is the same Being represented in the christian bible as 'God'.

I actually think the bible blasphemes the Creator like no other book published in the history of man.


It takes a special kind of effrontery to publish a book that claims that ''GOD'' asked you to go on killing sprees of children, rap.ing sprees of women, looting sprees, promoted slavery, and has a special burning furnace in place to torture his creation indefinitely.

yeah... but if it wasn't the Christian God... would d Christians have something to say about it

italo:
Oh! You're here again this morning to rant about a non-existent bring?

Do you rant about football fans when they shout in your vicinity during an important match?

Do you rant about the incessant honking of horns on the roads?

Do you rant about all the people playing loud music?

You only choose to rant about God, day and night.

you haven't answered me

italo:
You're confused. This thread is meant to highlight the foolishness of Atheists who can't do without talking about the God they claim doesn't exist.

That, you have proved.

If you want physical proof for a non physical being, open a other thread and demonstrate more foolishness there.

i was being disturbed by the church doing night vigil yesterday, they were praying and shout that people should give their live to christ. If your sleep is be disturbed for Ogun to be praised will you have something to say about it

luvlyoracle:
Wetin concern God with browsing?

true. Ur God lives in the sky. And he his even an old man

italo:
Satan is the one using and pushing them.

Think about all the things you spend most of your time and energy on...is there any of them you believe doesn't exist?

Some are satanists in disguise, pretending to be Atheists. Many are being used by satan without their knowledge.

That's why you see them restless, agitated, bitter and scatter-brained anytime God is mentioned.

It is so bad that as people were preparing to celebrate Christmas at the Vatican, some of them were planning to steal the baby Jesus statue from the crib. Some of them are constantly trying to steal communion so that they can desecrate it in a "satanic mass."

Are these the actions of people who just want to be left in peace? Are these the actions of people who are not influenced by satan?

flawless logic dere mr man but u come to this forum so as to diss those dat doesnt agree(atheists) with you... And u turn back and asked them to leave u alone. Really classic

This guys(religiou folks) just wont learn

There is this thing that God will punishe all sinner , including skecptists, but why punisht people that only needs convincing evidence of your existence.?

MOREN406:
A friend of mine also apply for pure accounting with d same subject combinations, is she good to go

am not sure, pure accounting is tricky , if she is able to change her subject combination she should change the commerce to govt, if not . All hope is not lost she should just read and have a good score in jamb because dats d koko

MOREN406:
hi,pesty, m applying for eksu 2015/2016, and I choose accounting education, pls is D's subject combination right in jamb, math,eng,econs,commerce? if not, wat other course can I change to. thank u ASAP

the combination is right... Just make sure u have a very good score in ur UME

sinequanon:
No surprise, there. There is a big overlap between the theist and refugee atheist. I take it that you are one.

talk to ze asz

sinequanon:
Most atheists belong to the following category..

8.) The refugee
Takes refuge in "atheism". Too terrified to think freely and independently. Terrified by concepts like judgement and hell fire. Seeks comfort in camaraderie of other refugee "atheists". Accepts any idea that shelters him from his terror of god and hell fire. In front of theists, bares teeth and barks like a dog to hide fear. Needs frequent therapy sessions questioning religious texts, and needs validation from theists in the form of "winning" arguments. Uses humour, anti-religious cartoons and rhetorical questions to try to drown out underlying terror and confusion.

Most atheists on Nairaland fall into this category.

it funny how people talk to themselve... remove atheist in wat did guy as said and replace it with thesist and miraculously u would accurately describe him

olexjay:
First as a guy try to take off the spirit of shyness from u, no one gonna kill u... Act with boldness.

If u know u are such a shy guy den u try call her on fone and wen she say she got someone who she's dating, just change ur gear and take ur breathe and start d real word like:

U know I don't really expect a beautiful girl like u to be single now so I'm very gald u told me the truth by saying dat, but I just plead u give me a trial, its just a matter of weighing each parties content/character and u go for the one which really suit u, if I Ðont meet up with ur expectation den u just quit.

With dat den she will talk wella and if she say still say she don't wanna double-date u keep the fire burning.

If u love someone walk up 2 her and tell her...... #NoDulling

your head dey dere jare

kudoxs:
you have already bleeped up, y will u tell her the first time that u wana be her bf, y not try to be a friend first, show her that u care about her, show her love, give her all the attention in this world. keep that up.

have done all these already i just felt yestaday waz d rite tym

Princecalm:
Smh

hope it doesnt fall off

There is this shy gurl am eating my heart out for, though am also a shy guy, in the face of all odds i told her i was inlove with her yesterday on phone which she reply that she already has a boyfriend but i have a feeling that she is lieing me, so guys wat should be my next step

Ghyft:
Non sequitor

maybe u should actually read wat d guy wrotep

We sell at 190 per litre mention me if intrested

alexis:
No, what I am saying is you need the manual, you need to know the vendor and core details of the phone. The phone can't tell you anything about itself. The vendor can. For example: the vendor can tell you when it was made; can tell you if a new firmware was upgraded and what features it support; can tell you if it has APIs and how you know every single working and detail of the phone.

When I bought my phone, a manual came with it, have been using this phone for years now and I haven't read the manual. The vendor tell you about upgrades, gives support e.t.c . But are you saying if you see a phone on the ground you won't be able to make sense of the phone unless you have spoken to the phone's vendor or read it manual?

alexis:
My contention is on biological change in DNA of an organism from one kind to another - I think it's not true and there have been no instances to say otherwise. Richard Dawkins said evolution is the explanation for the existence and the variation for all of life - THAT IS SIMPLY FALSE. I am not the only one that share such views

If you say richard dawkins was wrong, what then is the is the cause of the existence of the variation of all life

alexis:
The existence of life is not explained by biological evolution. Nor does it explain the existense of the mutating replicator on which it depends. The language of life, the genetic code of life has scarely changed at all. So the question is raised - how did it develop; how did it evolve from a simple organism as you claim to a complex one. You have admitted that science has no answer to the origin of life - not a problem.
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Life evolve from a simple organism to a complex one through the variation in the reproduction of organisms over a period of billions of years which essentially is evolution

[quote author=alexis post=27315176]Now, let's get down to the simple origin of life - the cell. The cell is an information processor, what we have in the biological mirco-molecules is something that Physics and Chemistry don't know and don't claim to know in the sense that, you have got a signalling system, you have got a code, you have got a translator of the code. Now, in every other area where we see anything like this - the inference up to intelligent design is INSTANT and IMMEDIATE.

It seems to be without going further into it that if you look at the cell as an information processor machine, it then can be simulated by a turing machine which is a kind of an abstract computer and if you know anything about computers, you know this - JUNK IN - JUNK OUT. This is born out of the sophistication of what the cell is and what it does. Now, Chemistry and Physics do not have the capacity to produce these things. You can't produce it by evolution because evolution can't get going until you have a mutating replicator.



Let me take the case of humans and the Chimps to give you some details. Evolutionists believe that the similarity in the DNA sequence of gorillas, chimpanzees, and humans is proof that they all share a common ancestor, you sited 96% similarity - I won't debate that as there is some truth in it.

The use of percentages obscures the magnitude of the differences. For example, 1.23% of the differences are single base pair substitutions. This doesn't sound like much until you realize that it represents about 35 million differences! But that is only the beginning. There are 40–45 million bases present in humans that are missing from chimps and about the same number present in chimps that are absent from man. These extra DNA nucleotides are called “insertions” or “deletions” because they are thought to have been added to or lost from the original sequence.

This puts the total number of DNA differences at about 125 million. However, since the insertions can be more than one nucleotide long, there are about 40 million total separate mutation events that would separate the two species in the evolutionary view. To put this number into perspective, a typical 8½ x 11-inch page of text might have 4,000 letters and spaces. It would take 10,000 such pages full of text to equal 40 million letters! So the difference between humans and chimpanzees includes about 35 million DNA bases that are different, about 45 million in the human that are absent from the chimp, and about 45 million in the chimp that are absent from the human. Go look up Haldane’s dilemma

There are many other differences between chimpanzee and human genomes that are not quantifiable as percentages:

At the end of each chromosome is a string of repeating DNA sequences called telomeres. Chimpanzees and other apes have about 23,000 base pairs of DNA at their telomeres. Humans are unique among primates with much shorter telomeres only 10,000 long

There are many others we can discuss. My point is simple - The similarity between human and chimpanzee DNA is really in the eye of the beholder. If you look for similarities, you can find them. But if you look for differences, you can find those as well. There are significant differences between the human and chimpanzee genomes that are not easily accounted for in an evolutionary scenario. Emphasis on percent DNA similarity misses the point because it ignores both the magnitude of the actual differences as well as the significance of the role that single amino acid changes can play.

Read this link

www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2007/07/haldanes-nondil.html

alexis:
I am not arguing against mutations - it's a form of adaption and I agree on this. So, there is no controversy here.

That isn't mutation, its pure evolution... At this point am not sure you know what evolution means

alexis:
Listen, you haven't shown any proof. All I asked was evidence pointing that we came from a fish. Evidence would be empirical data i.e. each changes showing the lineage from a fish to a human. You can't generalize and say we came from fishes because we share 98% gene with a monkey. But there are millions of things that make us different. It's like saying the fish has blood, humans have blood so we are of the same KIND - that is so unscientific

You say an evidence is empirical if each changes shows our lineage from a fish to am human yet the site I gave you said; we share
"96% of genes in common with chimpanzees, about 90% of genes in
common with cats, 80% with cows, 75% with
mice, and so on"
And yet you say the site gives no empirical data; it either you are an hypocrite or you don't know what empirical means.

alexis:
I am not debating that and I agree with you on that. The issue is the evolution you are talking about produces a different KIND of animal. A German Shepard dog can mate with an Alaskan Husky and produce another specie of DOG but it's still a DOG - however, the dog doesn't change into another animal - it's still a DOG. That is not the claim evolution is making; evolution is saying that every living organism came from a simple life form and it doesn't provide any empirical evidence that can be tested, repeated or observed.

. Did you check the link I gave you at all?

alexis:
You can't explain life if you can't explain it's origin. It's like you trying to run for a US president and don't want to produce your birth certificate to prove you were born in America. Also, read the statement posted from the same website: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIE2bDetailsoforigin.shtml

Your illustration is off point... And this is even like saying you can explain how a phone works unless you know its origin

alexis:
So, on one hand evolution claims it doesn't investigate or give empirical data on how life originated but it claims how it knows how life diversified. No matter how hard you twist it; the question is simple - how did we get where we are today? Evolution claims that all species has a common denominator. The question some of us keep asking is how can you trace all living things to the single life organism with evidence.

"Genetic commonalities. Human beings have approximately
96% of genes in common with chimpanzees, about 90% of genes in
common with cats ( source), 80% with cows (source), 75% with
mice (source), and so on. This does not prove that we evolved
from chimpanzees or cats, though, only that we shared a common
ancestor in the past. And the amount of difference between our
genomes corresponds to how long ago our genetic lines diverged"

Source: www.evolutionfaq.com/articles/five-proofs-evolution

alexis:
That is why I have asked you, can you tell me one scientific law that is false. Also, read the definition you posted; it said : RESULTS OF REPEATED OBSERVATION. I can repeat and observe the law of gravity; I can repeat and observe the law of bio-genesis; I can repeat and obeserve the laws of thermo-dynamics. No one can repeat or observe any empirical evidence of evolution.

"Bacteria colonies can only
build up a resistance to antibiotics through evolution. It is
important to note that in every colony of bacteria, there are a tiny
few individuals which are naturally resistant to certain antibiotics.
This is because of the random nature of mutations."

Source: same with the one above

alexis:
I have asked you to provide the proof; can you please provide verifying proof that I can repeat and observe?

Check my last post

alexis:
Read your definition you posted above and confirm if evolution can provide empirical evidence of life or even how life branched out. Use any case example for us to investigate

Check the link I gave you above

alexis:
Bros, I believe you have a brain and can deduce objectively. Can you explain how humans came from say a fish.

You said adaptation, I showed you how it is evolution, see what you are asking again.

alexis:
Really, can you site an example that we can observe and repeat?

If you take two different species of the same animal and you allow them mate they would produce another different specie of animal... Evolution has officially taken place in this situation.

alexis:
I think you are being dishonest here - evolution tells us life started billions of years ago and it uses fossils as evidence. So, to claim otherwise is ignorance or dishonesty. Please refer to http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIE2aOriginoflife.shtml

You got what the site is trying to wrong, check what the same site thinks on evolution
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/misconceps/IAorigintheory.shtml

alexis:
If it's proof; why hasn't science made evolution a scientific law? The instances you gave didn't have any links to them for us to review them.

You sir don't know what a scientific law means, check this out I copied it om wiki

"Laws differ from scientific theories in that they
do not posit a mechanism or explanation of
phenomena: they are merely distillations of the
results of repeated observation. As such, a law is
limited in applicability to circumstances
resembling those already observed, and may be
found false when extrapolated"

alexis:
That is exactly what faith is - believing in something that hasn't been proven and that is what you are doing.

If you are hell bent on saying what I have is faith, when I have tried showing you I believe based on proof, no p then.

alexis:
Then why isn't it a scientific law? If evolution is 100% accurate and it claims can be proven; why is it just a theory? Why can't scientist say evolution is on the same level with say the law of gravity?

You still don't know what a scientific law is.

alexis:
Adaptation not evolution. Malaria didn't become a virus; it's still malaria but has adapted to chloroquine. Just the same way if I go and live in ice-land, I don't grow fur and become a bear to protect against the cold, I adapt by wearing warmer cloths and I get used to the weather

I will post a line from the link you gave me

"Evolution encompasses a wide
range of phenomena: from the
emergence of major lineages,
to mass extinctions, to the
evolution of antibiotic resistant
bacteria in hospitals today."

alexis:
Yet no one has experimented on evolution that we can review or test by

evolution is part of our daily life, you just don't see it

aaronson:
Then socrates is wiser than him because Socrates was the wisest philosopher that ever lived.

socrates himself would have refuted your statement if he were here