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DappaD:He said if a wife leaves a man the man is a failure and if he is a minister. He has no business teaching people. i got his attention to the fact that a minister teaches by the anointing of God and not personal exoerience . Moses through who the Law came once had marital issues. His wife left him after the circumcision Saga. he took another wife against scriptures and married a non jew as second wife. our friend argued that moses was not a teacher. and i made him understand moses was law giver , teacher , judge yet whatever personal experience doesn change his calling in God. a minister teach by the word . |
achorladey:Its well. Firstly its not the Man of God who left the marriage. secondly even if he had been the one . That still doesnt constitute failure. Divorce is a miracle for so many. |
MaxInDHouse:There is nothing like failure in Marriage . its just your organization doctrine that need to align with the bible . Moses should have been a failure according to your doctrine. you dont need to be in marriage to teach on marriage. if a partner leaves you it doesn't change anything about you. if you must ascribe any failures at all . well maybe the person who left . But the truth is life is a choice . what you call failure is not and ministry is by the holy spirit and the word. |
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MaxInDHouse:Now i see its an issue of your indoctrination. Not about what the bible days. because i have given you several references from the bible . its now an issue of you dealing with your doctrinne vs Bible. try be objective . doctrine may be wrong ( Thats just being polite) |
MaxInDHouse:lets take away sentiments. lets deal with the bible. if its Chris Okotie i would say thesame . because we are dealing with bible principles . but the truth need to be toldyes ofcourse Moses was just a mediator of God's law to the nation of Israel, he received laws from God and passed it to the people that's all. Moses wasn't a teacher . .Wrong! He was the Judge over offences! And The fact that He was the conveyer of the Law even indicted him more. So if Moses would not be a failure as a minister, counsellor, teacher and judge because of his Marrital issue. then same principle stands for every minister. Because ministry is a work of the Holy Spirit not personal life. jesus said to obey the teaching of the Pharisees despite their personal lifestyle. So don't compare a Christian with Moses because we are greater than Moses who never saw or had the opportunity to learn from God's only begotten Sonsame jesus said to obey the teaching of the Pharisees regardless of their personal life. Some others erroneously teach that a s single Pastor cannot teach marriage. these are all man made ideologies without bible backing Divorce is a sign of a wrong foundation or fault of the spouses because apart from ADULTERY Jesus did not permit a separation1 Corinthians 7:27 (KJV) . . . Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife. If a partner decide to leave you cant force the person . Paul permit divorce . He says to let the person go. {Matthew 19:9} so if Chris and his wife were never convicted of adultery it simply means both of them aren't adequately qualified (spiritually mature enough)She has the power of her will. If Chris failed to keep his marital vows then he's not qualified to TEACH others how to keep theirs!He cannot force another person. She has the power of her will. Jesus lost many deciples. it doesnt make him a bad leader. John 6:66 (KJV) 66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. same jesus vowed he would not lose anyone. you see my point? According to Jesus you must live by your teaching to set fine examples for others {John 14:15} the Pharisees were carrying the Mosaic laws given to that nation (not their own laws)They were teaching the word of God. so does Pastor Chris and any minister. of a minister falls sick he can still teach that God is a healer. it doesnt have to be by experience but because it is the truth of God. If Chris is a Christian and not a Pharisee he must live by the standard set by Jesus otherwise you're saying people should view Chris as a Pharisee "do as i say, don't do as i do" Surely such a teacher will mislead the people! Matthew 24:11Are you perfect? is your pastor Perfect? . if You have to wait for a minister that is hundred percent perfect to be qualified to preach then their wont be any preacher |
Dangrace01:There are many vaccinated people on Facebook nah |
MaxInDHouse:. Moses separated from his wife. he was the law giver. not only that , in the period of his separation he went to marry another woman a non jew. Did that make moses invalid to teach the law? You see .Dont use your human opinion in Bible matter.[/quote]{Matthew 19:10-12} but as for Chris, he is a complete failure in that aspect so[/quote]Divorce doesn't make one a failure. As long as you cant back up this heresy with the bible There is no point repeting yourself . its not selling he supposed to allow one of those ministering and successful in their marriages to TEACH in that aspect as they can adequately counsel others because they have performed well in marriage!Wrong . You minister by the spirit not by human experience. Even the pharisee who do not practice the bible . jesus told the jews not to despise their teaching. Matthew 23:1 (AMPC) 1 THEN JESUS said to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2 The scribes and Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat [of authority]. 3 So observe and practice all they tell you; but do not do what they do, for they preach, but do not practice. |
achorladey:Thats a different issue. The point is that Marriage has nothing to do with fulfilling your ministry. most succesfull mimisters in the bible were singles. John the Baptist, Jesus , Paul . if being married is a criteria they have proven that theory untrue |
so why threatening people's job just for a vaccine that doesnt work |
Emmanuel909090:can he stop them . He said God told him to ride to the abuja crusade. The security chose to do their own work. |
APOSTLEIYKE:You may be suprised he didnt ask them to follow him. some people just believe they should protect their pastor. even the Pastor cant stop them. |
Emmanuel909090:cant a man of Ride peacefully. Men of God rode jeep we complain, this one rode bicycle to church we complain |
famozine1:Its not a must to fall. Everyone dont have to receive same way. Just receive the blessing by faith. be yourself. fall is not a must. |
Maestro21:i just watched it to the end oh. it shows a christ embassy Pastor. Christ embassy matter don enter Fox news |
Maestro21:right away sir |
slowice:Before the rapture we will all come into the unity of the faith and true maturity. Eph 4:13 — Eph 4:14 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; |
muyico:im sure its fiction |
MaxInDHouse:So where did the bible say . if your wife leaves you . you cannot do ministry |
MaxInDHouse:Was Jesus and Paul incompetent for losing companions . Its an issue of personal will power. If a spouse doesnt want to stay . Shes free . its her choice. it has nothing to do with your own destiny or ministry 1 Corinthians 7:27 27 Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be free. Are you free from a wife? Do not seek a wife. |
MaxInDHouse:so jesus was incompetent to let judas go. And Paul was incompetent to let Demas go? everyone answer to God on their faith 1 Corinthians 7:15 15 On the other hand, if the unbelieving spouse walks out, you've got to let him or her go. You don't have to hold on desperately. God has called us to make the best of it, as peacefully as we can. |
MaxInDHouse:its a issue of Departure. a wife leaves. a desciple leaves . does it make one a failure in ministry? |
MaxInDHouse:Did the departure of judas make jesus a failure to lead? Did the departure of Demas make Paul a failure to lead? Teaching and counselling is by the word and the spirit. Not by life experience |
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