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Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris : How To.know Who To Marry by petra1(op): 7:46pm On Oct 06, 2021
Maestro21:
All christians know that Paul advised certain people to get a divorce. I am not saying Pastor Chris filed for a divorce as we all know he did not.

But you cannot be trying to use the bible to educate a JWit. They are very ignorant and bitter. They are not christians.
noted
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris : How To.know Who To Marry by petra1(op): 7:45pm On Oct 06, 2021
Maestro21:
Telling someone that they cannot teach on marriage because someone divorced them is like saying someone should not teach on pastoring a church because a member left.

But christians should not be using their bibles to educate a JWit.

Besides, these teachings were done when he was still married.
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris : How To.know Who To Marry by petra1(op): 7:44pm On Oct 06, 2021
DappaD:
Can I know what you mean by the words in bold? Been following the thread and your whole argument seems to be hinged on this line of reasoning that doesn’t exist in the Bible.
He said if a wife leaves a man the man is a failure and if he is a minister. He has no business teaching people.

i got his attention to the fact that a minister teaches by the anointing of God and not personal exoerience . Moses through who the Law came once had marital issues. His wife left him after the circumcision Saga. he took another wife against scriptures and married a non jew as second wife.

our friend argued that moses was not a teacher. and i made him understand moses was law giver , teacher , judge yet whatever personal experience doesn change his calling in God. a minister teach by the word .
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris : How To.know Who To Marry by petra1(op): 6:55pm On Oct 06, 2021
achorladey:
You can see how he is trying to class Pastor Chris as someone in the business of divorcing wives and an HYPOCRITEgrin grin
To him Pastor Chris delight is to divorce his wives at will;
Its well. Firstly its not the Man of God who left the marriage.

secondly even if he had been the one . That still doesnt constitute failure.

Divorce is a miracle for so many.
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris : How To.know Who To Marry by petra1(op): 10:10am On Oct 06, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Well you're the one seeing it from that angle!

Jesus said:

How can you say to your brother, ‘Allow me to remove the straw from your eye,’ when look! a rafter is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the rafter from your own eye, and then you will see clearly how to remove the straw from your brother’s eye! Matthew 7:4-5

So in the same manner how can Chris counsel others about marriage when he himself failed woefully in that aspect? According to Lord Jesus, Chris supposed to mend his own marriage FIRST before he can qualify to counsel others about marriage!

That's Jesus' command Jehovah's Witnesses are strictly OBEYING! John 14:15
May you have PEACE! smiley
There is nothing like failure in Marriage . its just your organization doctrine that need to align with the bible .
Moses should have been a failure according to your doctrine.

you dont need to be in marriage to teach on marriage. if a partner leaves you it doesn't change anything about you. if you must ascribe any failures at all . well maybe the person who left . But the truth is life is a choice . what you call failure is not and ministry is by the holy spirit and the word.
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris : How To.know Who To Marry by petra1(op): 8:03am On Oct 06, 2021
achorladey:
He wants to use his repetition to make the point hut he cannot escape this reframed from his post
grin grin
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris : How To.know Who To Marry by petra1(op): 8:00am On Oct 06, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Amongst Jehovah's Witnesses there are elders and ministerial servants who handles the TEACHINGS in the congregation, none of them can continue serving as a SHEPHERD (TEACHER) in the congregation while divorced or SEPARATED! smiley
Now i see its an issue of your indoctrination. Not about what the bible days. because i have given you several references from the bible . its now an issue of you dealing with your doctrinne vs Bible. try be objective . doctrine may be wrong ( Thats just being polite)
Christianity Etc › Is It Right To Marry A Divorcee: Pastor Chris by petra1(op): 7:56am On Oct 06, 2021
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris : How To.know Who To Marry by petra1(op): 4:24pm On Oct 05, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
I know you love your pastor and that's normal
lets take away sentiments. lets deal with the bible. if its Chris Okotie i would say thesame . because we are dealing with bible principles .

but the truth need to be told
yes ofcourse

Moses was just a mediator of God's law to the nation of Israel, he received laws from God and passed it to the people that's all. Moses wasn't a teacher . .
Wrong! He was the Judge over offences! And The fact that He was the conveyer of the Law even indicted him more. So if Moses would not be a failure as a minister, counsellor, teacher and judge because of his Marrital issue. then same principle stands for every minister. Because ministry is a work of the Holy Spirit not personal life. jesus said to obey the teaching of the Pharisees despite their personal lifestyle.

So don't compare a Christian with Moses because we are greater than Moses who never saw or had the opportunity to learn from God's only begotten Son
Jesus Christ! John 1:18
same jesus said to obey the teaching of the Pharisees regardless of their personal life.

Some others erroneously teach that a s single Pastor cannot teach marriage.
these are all man made ideologies without bible backing

Divorce is a sign of a wrong foundation or fault of the spouses because apart from ADULTERY Jesus did not permit a separation
1 Corinthians 7:27 (KJV)
. . . Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.


If a partner decide to leave you cant force the person . Paul permit divorce . He says to let the person go.

{Matthew 19:9} so if Chris and his wife were never convicted of adultery it simply means both of them aren't adequately qualified (spiritually mature enough)
She has the power of her will.

If Chris failed to keep his marital vows then he's not qualified to TEACH others how to keep theirs!
He cannot force another person. She has the power of her will. Jesus lost many deciples. it doesnt make him a bad leader.

John 6:66 (KJV)
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.


same jesus vowed he would not lose anyone. you see my point?

According to Jesus you must live by your teaching to set fine examples for others {John 14:15} the Pharisees were carrying the Mosaic laws given to that nation (not their own laws)
They were teaching the word of God. so does Pastor Chris and any minister. of a minister falls sick he can still teach that God is a healer. it doesnt have to be by experience but because it is the truth of God.


If Chris is a Christian and not a Pharisee he must live by the standard set by Jesus otherwise you're saying people should view Chris as a Pharisee "do as i say, don't do as i do" Surely such a teacher will mislead the people! Matthew 24:11 undecided
Are you perfect? is your pastor Perfect? . if You have to wait for a minister that is hundred percent perfect to be qualified to preach then their wont be any preacher
Christianity Etc › Re: n by petra1(m): 10:03pm On Oct 04, 2021
Dangrace01:
I just heard that Facebook has been shutdowns because of compulsory covid vaccination certificate


You must show your covid certificate before you can use Facebook

Can this be true
There are many vaccinated people on Facebook nah
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris : How To.know Who To Marry by petra1(op):
MaxInDHouse:
They are adequately qualified to TEACH others as they set fine examples of faith so they worth been emulated {Hebrews 13:7} since they choose to remain unmarried nobody can point to their blunders
. Moses separated from his wife. he was the law giver. not only that , in the period of his separation he went to marry another woman a non jew.

Did that make moses invalid to teach the law? You see .Dont use your human opinion in Bible matter.[/quote]{Matthew 19:10-12} but as for Chris, he is a complete failure in that aspect so[/quote]Divorce doesn't make one a failure. As long as you cant back up this heresy with the bible There is no point repeting yourself . its not selling

he supposed to allow one of those ministering and successful in their marriages to TEACH in that aspect as they can adequately counsel others because they have performed well in marriage!
Wrong . You minister by the spirit not by human experience.

Even the pharisee who do not practice the bible . jesus told the jews not to despise their teaching.

Matthew 23:1 (AMPC)
1 THEN JESUS said to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2 The scribes and Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat [of authority]. 3 So observe and practice all they tell you; but do not do what they do, for they preach, but do not practice.
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris : How To.know Who To Marry by petra1(op): 7:16pm On Oct 04, 2021
achorladey:
So where did the bible say . if your wife leaves you . you cannot do ministry...... Petra

Answer: The Bible says Christians must honour their wives.
Thats a different issue.
The point is that Marriage has nothing to do with fulfilling your ministry. most succesfull mimisters in the bible were singles. John the Baptist, Jesus , Paul . if being married is a criteria they have proven that theory untrue
Christianity Etc › Re: Fully Vaccinated 74-year-old SAN, Williams, Dies Of COVID-19 by petra1(m): 7:12pm On Oct 04, 2021
so why threatening people's job just for a vaccine that doesnt work
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Wiseman Daniel Riding Bicycle & Security Personnel Following Him (Photo) by petra1(m): 6:13am On Oct 04, 2021
Emmanuel909090:
He should ride it without escorts.
can he stop them . He said God told him to ride to the abuja crusade. The security chose to do their own work.
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Wiseman Daniel Riding Bicycle & Security Personnel Following Him (Photo) by petra1(m): 8:08pm On Oct 03, 2021
APOSTLEIYKE:
When you make enough money for yourself, you can buy any number of security personnels you want and turn them to whatever you want to become for your own use. Disgrace
You may be suprised he didnt ask them to follow him. some people just believe they should protect their pastor. even the Pastor cant stop them.
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Wiseman Daniel Riding Bicycle & Security Personnel Following Him (Photo) by petra1(m): 8:06pm On Oct 03, 2021
Emmanuel909090:
Why not ride inside your compound or a park.

May our sons never jug with guns while a man is riding bicycle.
cant a man of Ride peacefully. Men of God rode jeep we complain, this one rode bicycle to church we complain
Christianity Etc › Re: I Need Someone In Spirit To Answer My Question by petra1(m):
famozine1:
Please am some how confused about my self please I need those who are deep in spirit to answer my question I have been to many deliverance service while anointing people some will fall under anointing and I know for sure that they are not taking it but me nothing go happen what is really happening to me same pastor that some fall or go in spirit when place hands on them same pastor go touch me and nothing happens and no be say I no believe am confused about my life
Its not a must to fall. Everyone dont have to receive same way. Just receive the blessing by faith. be yourself. fall is not a must.
Christianity Etc › Re: Should An Adult Baptized Second Time : Pastor Chris by petra1(op): 2:10pm On Oct 02, 2021
Maestro21:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qf5l2nmWOY

cc Petra1 (the last few minutes of this video will interest you and hopefully others will see it too sir).
i just watched it to the end oh. it shows a christ embassy Pastor. Christ embassy matter don enter Fox news
Christianity Etc › Re: Should An Adult Baptized Second Time : Pastor Chris by petra1(op): 2:07pm On Oct 02, 2021
Maestro21:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qf5l2nmWOY

cc Petra1 (the last few minutes of this video will interest you and hopefully others will see it too sir).
right away sir
Christianity Etc › Pastor Chris : Dont Minister To Prostitutes Unless . . by petra1(op): 10:09am On Oct 02, 2021
Christianity Etc › Should An Adult Baptized Second Time : Pastor Chris by petra1(op): 11:22am On Sep 29, 2021
Christianity Etc › Re: Deeper Life Members Are Angry Over The Invitation Of Gospel Artists To now sing by petra1(m): 9:07pm On Sep 27, 2021
slowice:
The standard isn't dropping, just errors being corrected gradually.
Before the rapture we will all come into the unity of the faith and true maturity.

Eph 4:13 — Eph 4:14
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Christianity Etc › Re: My Pastor ! Did This To!! State Of Dilemma Now! Plz Advise Me by petra1(m): 8:43pm On Sep 26, 2021
muyico:
*I've not eaten for a whole day because I have no money.*
*Fortunately, I met with my pastor and asked him to give me (N300) at least for a plate of food no meat.*
*Instead he prayed for me and told me God will make a way, he added he would have given me if he had.*
*As he removed his handkerchief while he was going, his (N15,000) dropped and he didn't notice.*
*QUESTION OF THE DAY*
*Should I give the pastor back his money or it's God who has made A WAY?*
*GIVE ME YOUR ANSWER*
im sure its fiction
Christianity Etc › Pastor Chris : Is There A Prayer Warfare ? by petra1(op): 11:26am On Sep 26, 2021
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris : How To.know Who To Marry by petra1(op): 10:53pm On Sep 25, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Companionship differ from marriage mates!
After marriage the man and his wife are bound to live together for the rest of their lives

that's what Jesus said.
So where did the bible say . if your wife leaves you . you cannot do ministry
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris : How To.know Who To Marry by petra1(op): 8:30pm On Sep 25, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
So are you saying she's an unbeliever?

Because what you quoted is referring to an unbelieving spouse not a believer in the same God as you!
For your information Mrs Oyakilomeh (DIVORCED) is heading the church in Europe o!
So according to what you believe she's part and parcel of your faith therefore it's the man's incompetence that led to the breakup! smiley
Was Jesus and Paul incompetent for losing companions . Its an issue of personal will power. If a spouse doesnt want to stay . Shes free . its her choice. it has nothing to do with your own destiny or ministry

1 Corinthians 7:27
27 Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be free. Are you free from a wife? Do not seek a wife.
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris : How To.know Who To Marry by petra1(op): 8:15pm On Sep 25, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
allow the wife go is as a result of his incompetence! 2Timothy 3:17
so jesus was incompetent to let judas go. And Paul was incompetent to let Demas go?

everyone answer to God on their faith

1 Corinthians 7:15
15 On the other hand, if the unbelieving spouse walks out, you've got to let him or her go. You don't have to hold on desperately. God has called us to make the best of it, as peacefully as we can.
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris : How To.know Who To Marry by petra1(op): 8:08pm On Sep 25, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
These aren't examples of divorce because Jesus wasn't married to judas neither was Paul married to Demas but Chris was once married and his marriage failed so how can he counsel others for what he himself failed? undecided
its a issue of Departure. a wife leaves. a desciple leaves . does it make one a failure in ministry?
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris : How To.know Who To Marry by petra1(op): 7:22pm On Sep 25, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
His own married is a failure making him a divorcee so on what ground does sure a person adequately counsel others for marriage when his own marriage failed? smiley
Did the departure of judas make jesus a failure to lead? Did the departure of Demas make Paul a failure to lead?
Teaching and counselling is by the word and the spirit. Not by life experience

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