safarigirl:
yes.

Three of them can play LB as well. You are missing the versatility part

And we also take Idowu and Echiejile ba? Making 5Full backs. Are you going to Russia only to defend?

blueto:
I did not “conclude” that Shehu and Aina should play second choice in my post. I only said I prefer Ebuehi in the 3-5-2 formation to play as a wing back and Shehu to play as right back anytime the coach uses a 4 man defence.

Shehu, Aina, Ebuehi, All RBS.Are we going to Russia with 30players?

safarigirl:
this is a good suggestion. I had that in mind as well

Shehu and Aina are full backs as seen against Argentina...Ebuehi is a better Wingback.

If Rohr wants a 3-5-2....I suggest he plays Vic Mo as RWB while Ebuehi subs him...or Ebuehi as RWB

We save Shehu and Aina for the FB roles

And you suggesting we take 3 RBs to Russia?

Mujtahida:

And you just put a spin on what Kog45 said. Did he say we shouldn't discuss the matter because somebody will get offended or because the news is false regarding Kayode because Agali never said such rather it is owngoalnigeria.com with their dirty journalism who put a spin on whatever Agali said.

Go back and read his comment. He introduced the spin by mentioning someone's moniker.

Why should we not discuss a topic because it would offend someone?

If una see truth make una dey talk abeg

Kog45:
Why are you guys always targeting forgiveness for God sake cos i don't see where Agali mentioned Kayode.

Pls the headline was misleading and not good for our discussion here and don't be surprised if you see Nwakaeme dropped for Orji.

My man anything can happened when it comes to player invitations or was it not the same Agali that said no more invitation for new players.

So because somebody will be offended by the headline it is not good for us to discuss it here?

junnyjake:



I seriously think Etuhu should be part of the present team. Dude still got a lot to offer.

This is comment will definitely pass for the thumbs down of the week

forgiveness:


Chai! See interpretation.

I am a critical thinker and I analysis issues based on the parameters on ground.

My opinions are not formed from illusion or delusion but from the facts on ground.

Now, before you start calling me names, let me present to you once again the matter that led to your false accusations.

Your false accusation came after I replied a comment that said and i quote. 'Once you perform you get invited. Same trend happened with Ighalo, Onyekuru, Uzoho. All talk about bribe, corruption and nepotism are unfounded and should be hushed up'.

As you can see, the @ bolded caught my attention. 'Once you perform you get invited' my eyes popped out ..toyonyon.. What! for where!

In response, I emphasized on three players of which one invitation is very questionable and raised eyebrows.

That particular player is Chidiebere Nwakali of whom if we speak statistically has done nothing tangible, in regards to performance this season to have justified an invitation.

Or do you think he justifies an invitation based on that quotation?

See I can also call you a bigot and tribalist if you justify his invitation because your are IGBO.

I can even tag all those who did so as IGBOS because majority of his supporters here are IGBOS but I am very careful to restore to name calling and eventually ruin my reasoning hence the need to analysis issues based on solid facts on ground which I have done so far.

However, the debate on 'once you perform you get invited' again raised my curiosity and doubt when Kayode is put into the picture.

Because if 'once you perform you get invited' is the SI unit measurement used for invitation then why was Kayode Olanrewaju not considered on the three occasions he found himself in team?

Pls, take note that on those three occasions that he was finally invited, Kayode was not initially on the list despite his eyes catching performance that won him best player and top goal scorer in the Austrian league which was also acknowledged by Man city and Guardiola.

Now, to add salt to injury, when he came for the first two friendlies, the coach didn't deem it fit to try the new kid on the block on the position he won awards and didn't even start him in the second friendly but rather he played him out of position and gave him 14 and 20 minutes each. What dos that mean? Is friendlies no longer used to see players?

The last time he called him due to injures on the part of players initially invited, it was for a dead rubber match and a friendly but he gave him just 3 minutes out of 180 minutes of football. Smh

But you think all is well and his assertion should not be contested?

Abraham who was just invited to the English had started for England and so it was done to any player called by the top teams in the world. Why is ours different?


Alampasu has not been given the chance since he was invited despite the fact he did very well against fc Porto. Abi, is Girona better than fc Porto?

How come he has not been tested over 5 good friendlies?

Or having a clean sheet against former UEFA champions does not impose enough confidence in Alloy Agu?

Think Think and Think.

Now, Igbo is me I am Igbo. How? I am no saying I am but that is it..



Hating Igbo is hating myself. Period.

I tell you again: you will do your self good by purging ur heart of Nepotism.

I am not Igbo, so don't think I am on a solidarity mission.

Icon4s said something: that he cares less about comments that are not meaningful or something like that. Have you not noticed he has stopped engaging in discussions with you?

I don't comment much here but I do plenty of observations. I too have personally stopped reading most of your comments. Until you change your approach.

forgiveness:


Nwakali did nada but e was called. Now, I call that kwurruption.

Kayode performed but we have seen the hand written on the wall. He does not want us to see how good he his, in other not to spoil market hence the need not play him, and when he did played him, Rohr preferred to play him out of position with 25 minutes in 3 friendlies. Smh

The last time he played him as a ST, he gave him 4 minutes and ordered his team to only defend.

Now, that is kwurruption.

How many games did he give Alampasu after he performed well against Fc Porto?

25 minutes only against Togo that's all before he kicked him out of the team. I know Alloy Agu is behind this.

What do we call it? Kwurruption and nepotism.

I tried to ignore this post but my conscience refused.

Forgiveness, I don't know what your problem is.

You better purge your heart of tribalism so you can think freely.

Are you the only Yoruba man here? It is very obvious that your hatred for the Igbo tribe is so deep rooted.

I wonder why some people will come here and still be pretending as if forgiveness is not a tribal bigot.

You better change this attitude of yours as it will take you no where.

Icon4s:
Tammy's career is on the rise. He looks very promising.

The sooner we get him into the mix the better.

I don't too easily recommend young players but I do so when I see one that is very promising.

Oga wait, which young players you don ever recommend here?

Icon4s:


I totally disagree with the third bullet point. You also need to consider the strength of your opposition when making comparisons. If the author had said he deserves a call up to the Super Eagles fine but to say he is ripe to partner with any of Balogun or Ekong is a hype to me.

Besides also, let us not over celebrate. Ghana had already qualified and their top spot was certain no matter the result.

Third group matches for teams that have sealed qualification and top spot are always like that.

They don't typically put in too much because of suspension and injuries.
Their coach also may have rested key players and those at risk of missing the semis if they get a second yellow.

If we meet with them again in the final be sure it will be a different ball game.

Kudos to the boys all the same.

Bros you harsh o.
Which player have you ever given the nod to?

forgiveness:


Ok! 2 competitive matches in an emergency situation or make shift situations

Why did Rohr had a rethink before using him against South Africa if he was really convincing against Algeria?

Since, Akpeyi has only played 2 - 4 competitive matches for the team but still not convincing, i think the coach knows what to do. Shikena!

From only 1 competitive game to 2-4. You see yourself?

...know what to do like throwing in Alampasu in a competitive game as this. I hear.

forgiveness:


Who dash Akpeyi first choice?

The fact that he was never considered to be called many times means he has never been considered a super eagles material. Fact!

Take note that Akpeyi has only played one competitive match under Rohr, so expect changes.

Na who say Ndidi no get experience?

However, at the Super Eagle level both Ndidi and Agu are in the same category.Gbam!

Against Algeria, Senegal and South Africa. Which 2 of these 3 are not competitive matches and let's stroke them off.

I can see that Ezenwa and Alampasu have each played 10 competitive matches under
Rohr.

Joebie:
That's fine.. make your contribution as regards your expectations.. People are free to air their opinions and preferences..As a matter of fact I like the suspense, when we say we will see who will start, or we will see who wins or predicted right. We can entertain that as long as we don't have comments here that are divisive. Well, talking of expectations, expectations are not always met.

Yes expectations are not always met but more so are Preferences.

'Expectations' begets objectivity while reverse is the case for 'preference'.

forgiveness:



Who is our first choice goalie?

Why is Ndidi a sure starter?

Didn't Rohr confessed that he is looking for a better CF instead of Iheanacho?

Why did he call 3 natural CF if he really considered Iheanacho as his first choice CF?

Onazi Ndidi pairing flopped big time against Senegal and South Africa. Why continue with a failed combo?

Is that you don't know who our first choice goalie is for this encounter or you have refused to accept Daniel Akpeyi as our first choice? This is where the issue of preference and expectation comes in again.

You say Ndidi is not experienced yet you still prefer Agu in one of your other posts. Isn't that double standard?

Ndidi-Onazi midfield combo is the best with the current crop we have. You want us to go experimenting one kind combo and get our asses roasted? The coaches just need to pass down vital instructions especially to Ndidi to sit deep and shield the CB pair. While Onazi is free to roam.

Icon4s:


TheGoodJoe abeg borrow me that your mic.

In Dino Melaye's voice: "I have said the truth and I will live
Aje kun iya ni'oje... aje kun iya ni'oje, eni ti o t'eni no, t'on de na de ni, aje kun iya ni'oje....."

The way you wrote those Yoruba lines is top notch.
Egbon ta lo ko yin ni Yoruba?

Joebie:
Two things here. Preference and expectation..
I'm sure that's his preferred starting. So arguments like Rohr won't do that should not necessarily come in if someone already indicated that's their starting line up. At the same time, sometimes there may be surprises. (e.g Awaziem versus SA) which will not always backfire. Hence, Aina is not expected to start (that's if he will be in camp/cleared by FIFA), but he could still start -- surpises.

'Expectation' is more of the reality on ground.

For eg You may love Alampasu for what ever reason and then you 'prefer' him in goal but the reality is Akpeyi is first choice and so he is 'expected' to be in goal.

Sentiments most times beclouds 'preference'. I go with 'expectation' rather than 'preference'.

Kog45:
Oga petrbros don't be annoyed, there is a moniker here who always bring confusion among u guys and i need to put him in his place.

And here we still go again.

Kog45:
Jobie u always make it simple and accurate not some people who always show brotherhood love here by turning this thread to a war zone.

Here we go again.

forgiveness:


My humble formation and line up.


............................... Alampasu


Shehu............ Troost............. Leon.......... Echiejile


................. Onazi............. Ogu...........


.......................... Mikel.......


.... Victor............. .. Ighalo............. Etebor.....

Firstly, Alampasu is not our first choice goalie. So he is not expected to start.

Secondly, Ndidi. He is a sure starter.

Ighalo not likely to start, Iheanacho is our first choice striker.

I like where you placed Etebo. In the absence of Iwobi, Etobo moves to the Left. I see an Ndidi- Onazi midfield pairing.

forgiveness:


The truth is you don't know the cause of the debate. EOD

If I do not have moral justification to express my thought about a public officer as enshrined in the Constitution of the federal Republic of Nigeria then who has?

I have told you plain and clear that, if Rohr and his cronies continues to ignore good players doing well in Europe, I will point it out. GBAM!

Today there was an agitation in Aba, why? Some people want to maintain the magogo way hence the ventilation of anger and agitation springing up left right and center.

Do not assume I feel aggrieved some section of the country is not having a fair share due to their inability or lack of talent but I feel aggrieved that such act can never propell our nation team to the greatest height.

This is simply my worries and I will do anything in my little way through this mighty forum to propagate my course. Shikena!

We are all here on the same purpose. IE to point to Rohr about players doing well in Europe but nobody cries of sectionalism here as much as you do. That is the difference.

Joebie:
@bolded, that's a call for Federal Character. I think it's absurd even in our national politics. And that's why we will ALWAYS be backward as a nation. Thank goodness we just won the AfroBasket. Based on our population and love for sports we should be dominating sports in Africa, just as the US dominate the Olympics. Maybe we will get there in the next 100 years.

You cannot be talking about federal character in the national team setting.

Let the best get the nod. Of they are from a particular section of a country so be it.

forgiveness:


You are off point. Go back fews pages then come back for a more recent and detailed information. Thank you

It baffles me how you are trying hard to cover Icon4s mess. *scratching head*

My friend, it is not someone like me that you can deceive with all these your comments. I know virtually everyone here.

Please try avoid making statements here that can spark off ethnic combats. You have no moral justification to make that kind of comment on Rohr and the NFF.

No section of the country will feel happy when such allegations are put forward against them.

Even if you feel aggrieved that your section of the country is not getting a fair share there are better ways of going about it and just know also that all sections of the country cannot have equal represent in the national team.

Joebie:
He still believes those statements strongly. I've asked him to come with his candidates and back it up with their achievements.. I'm still waiting. If I say that section of the country he is defending don't have the best coaches AT THE MOMENT, he or some of us will get emotional. As much as I don't believe in rotation, especially when nothing is broken, I'm satisfied with the shortlist so far, because the credentials of some of them cannot be ignored. However, if he is already suspecting there will be foul play in the coaches selection, he can come up with names from his section of the country, and back it up that they are the best we have at the moment.

In all, we just need to get this tribalism out of our ahead at least on this thread. Outside, this thread, I don't care what you do with your life.

My brother the thing tire person.

And worse still some here are defending him for that kind of comment.

There are some people on this thread that as Long as they are here tribalism will not cease.

forgiveness:



First @bolded suggested that I make comments from the bitterness of my soul and that I don't have critical thinking of my constructive argument. Far from it, my Oga. My mind is very clear and sound enough to make a constructive argument devoid of jaundice or parochial scope.

Let me make myself clear like I made myself cleared to Icon4s.

I don't have any problem with Rohr's list though raised eyebrows against Kayode's exclusion based on the obvious on ground.


Nevertheless, the same people pointing accusing fingers are those against Rohr's list. How? Fishing out Onazi, Simon Moses and Ahmed Musa from Rohr's list and tagging them 'past glory players.' They bent on casting them out of the team without giving any cogent reason for this.

However, I just took dem by their word by referring to some players who have done nothing of note this season, and I also tagged them 'past glory players'. Do you know what happened afterward?

I was called a tribalist.

So, should I also call them a tribalist because the players they wanted to replace the aforementioned players are from their divide?

My brain told me not to do that but rather go into a healthy debate before one pounced on me from no where with the attached label of a tribalist.

My point is for them to have a critical thinking about the so called 'past glory theory' and not necessarily to remove Iheanacho (I dey crazy) and Onyekuru from list. All my gesture was sacartiscm at best. E.0.D

I have seen the list days or hours before yesterday but I never mused or altered a word.

But I am bewildered that some see it as a sacrilege to omit Iheanacho from the list but as a privilege to omit Ahmed Musa from the list, on the grounds that Iheanacho is an old member of the national team.

Is Ahmed Musa a toddler in the National team?

Now, to the second @bolded. Rohr to me is puppet because he seems not to the right players to use in a match set up. Using players wrongly in their positions is absurd and unacceptable.

If you say there's nothing like tribalism in the National team or no nepotism and corruption, please state it clearly or plainly for the world to see then I go mellow.

@bolded 3, By the grace of God, I know a sound judgment and I know what is good.

You can remember, I defended Dominic Solanke, Onomah, Ademola-lookman, Agbo, Tiago Ilori etc even when many didn't see any good in dem, but I stood my ground and today these players are doing well for themselves. As you can see, I can see the best in others hence my calm approach in dealing with people here.

And lastly, 4th @bolded, Amokachi said there is bribery and corruption in the selection of players. What does it mean?

you didn't report to tglobal about your comment on Rohr practising cultism and he and the NFF favoring a section of the country in terms of players selections and coaches appointments respectively.

AIG07:
his quality has never been in doubt. He even scored the third goal.

I expect to see him in Rohr's next list If he stay fit.

Like you said.. if he stays fit.

tglobal:


@Petrobas, you seem so fixated in labeling me a defender of forgiveness that you completely missed the post below where I called him out.

If you don't see any tribal connotations in him accusing the NFF, Rohr and his crew of favoring a section of the country then you are not being fair with your assessment of the case.

Forgiveness is my very good pally here. He knows it.
There are occasions where I go all out to stand in his defense especially when on the receiving side of insults. I remember how I practically persuaded safarigirl to apologize to him after some harsh exchange of words. Of which she did (something she rarely does).

As I said before someone cannot throw accusation fingers at your race or ethnic group and you are expected not to react.

We are not going about this case the right way. I am not expecting any apologies from him for his comments but don't also expect everyone here to just swallow it and act as though nothing was said.

Please be fair on this issue.

forgiveness:



What provocative comments?

I bet, you don't know the genesis of this debate.

Now, tell me how this began then I know you you're not bias in your logical reasoning.

It started with you accusing the Super Eagles crew of nepotism and corruption. You particularly openly accused Alloy Agu of favoring Ezenwa and Akpeyi , who are his tribesmen.

icon4s pointed at Onigbe's case in reference or would I say In response to your nepotism shout. No be so?

tglobal:



There you go...tribe, tribe, tribe ...

You are entitled to your assumption though and I respect that.

Tell forgiveness also to forget tribe, tribe, tribe and sectionalism when making his assumptions and accusations.

TheGoodJoe:


It is just steam. It will pass and we will ride the same green-white-green wave again. Do not vex. I beg you.

Rather than calling forgiveness out for making such provoking comments they are busy defending and taking sides with him.

This is Nigeria. The reality is we are polarized along ethnic lines. such accusations from forgiveness are uncalled for. No body of the Igbo extraction would be comfortable with that kind of comment and accusations labelled against his ethnic group.

tglobal:



There you go...though you are entitled to your assumption and I respect that.

Sure. Just like you are entitled to yours. But try and be fair and sincere in your assessment of the situation.

tglobal:


I have addressed this above

He is pointing accusing fingers at the NFF as favoring people from a particular ethnic group and you expect people from that group to ignore those baseless allegations?

I am not Igbo neither are Joebie and TheGoodJoe you are praising of not accusing him of tribalism. It is only natural for one to react when his race or ethnic group is spoken of in the wrong light except if the person is a bastard.

Let's assume the case is switched and someone from the South East is doing what forgiveness is doing. I am sure you won't take the position you are taking here.

This thread has lost it.

tglobal:
As I read through the recent posts on this thread, I could not help but shake my head due to the various accusations and counter accusations on this thread. The same syndrome is affecting both sides. People like Joebie and TheGoodJoe have been able to challenge forgiveness without resorting to name calling. One of the signs of intellectual laziness and the greatest hurdle to development we as a people have always faced is that people cannot disagree without resorting to name calling - as if tagging them makes the issues raised to disappear. It is the case that once a person cannot fathom the reason why someone else holds a different opinion, they find easy labels to use to tag them, thinking that somehow de-legitimizes their point of view. The common labels I have come to see used over the years are tribalism and bribery. What accusation is made depends on whether the parties involved are from the same ethnic background. If this is the case, the former accusation is made, if otherwise then the later is used

And who else has been the one labeling the NFF and Coaches of Tribalism and bribery? And in addition cultism?