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 Politics › Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by PhysicsRND(m): 10:39pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
ezeagu:How are you not getting this? You claimed that Igbo people were calling themselves Igbo in 910 AD and continued to do so up till the present day but that other groups did not. Now look at this: https://www.memoiredafrique.com/images/amis/2204.jpg 2204 - Jukun male head with a large skull H. 23 cm 550 A. D. +/- 100 years Private collection Lets say it's 550 AD - 100 years. That's 450 AD and it's associated with the "Jukun culture of terracottas" because it was found in the Jukun area. The same way Igbo-Ukwu is associated with Igbos because it was found in the heart of Igboland. What if it turns out that the Jukun have been calling themselves Jukun from 450 AD, up to the present day? There's no proof of that, but if a Jukun comes here and asserts that this is the case, then he's totally rubbished your claim and disproved it by your bizarre reasoning. Don't just make weird unsupportable claims. That's my point. This is the second one you've made such a claim on this thread (the other one was about only two groups in the whole of West Africa putting up a worthy resistance to the British). |
| Politics › Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by PhysicsRND(m): 10:24pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
Katsumoto:lol@ ABC. Yeah, they haven't unbanned me for "spam" posting with the other names when I was trying to post maps ( a la becomrich) of Sudan in that Ghana-Sudan thread. What does the part in bold mean? Do you mean the word Bini, or the people? |
| Politics › Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by PhysicsRND(m): 10:20pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
ezeagu:No. You're not getting it are you?  1. You claimed that the word Igbo as a word identifying the ethnic group had existed longer than the word identifying any other ethnic group in Nigeria, a claim which can not be proven and actually sounds quite bizarre. |
| Politics › Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by PhysicsRND(m): 10:06pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
ezeagu:I didn't say Igbo did not exist in 910. You're the one who said Igbo is the oldest existing name for an ethnic group in Nigeria. A claim that can't be proven. |
| Politics › Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by PhysicsRND(m): 9:46pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
ezeagu:That's precisely my point. You made some claim about Igbo being the oldest surviving name for an ethnic group in Nigeria, but can you even produce a 1450 AD source that mentions the word Igbo? I can provide written sources, Portuguese, English, and Arabic, which mention other ethnic groups and the names they called themselves from hundreds of years ago. What proof is there that all or most Igbos were referring to themselves as "Ibo" "Eboe" "Ebo" "Heebo" "Igbo" or any other variations on that word prior to the written accounts? Katsumoto:He said 1100 years. 2010 - 1100 = 910 |
| Politics › Re: Great/famous People From Your State! by PhysicsRND(m): 9:43pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=606540.msg7757370#msg7757370 date=1298060951]Niki Minaj is not Igbo anything. She has not claimed any part of that, she claimed Caribbean/ Bahamas full. Apparently, she's another person whose parent gave her an Igbo name. @Kilode Claim on. Me sef will claim Drake for Ekiti  [/quote]fstranger3:[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=606540.msg7757423#msg7757423 date=1298061582]wtf, when did nicki minaj become igbo?[/quote]rofl Ok, I messed up there. I admit it. But what you guys might not realize is that some non-immigrant Caribbean people have Igbo names. For example, Jamaicans with the name Ngozi. So where would the name Onika come from if not Igbo ancestry? That's why I believed it. If she's already come out to claim Caribbean and not African (like it says in so many places on on the internet) then she's Caribbean and not African+ Indian |
| Politics › Re: Great/famous People From Your State! by PhysicsRND(m): 9:37pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
adagz 01:There's no way you could. Delta state's lists have been divided along ethnic lines. You guys could only come up with a list half or a third as good as long as your list is divided like that. But let me help ya'll out a bit. Gamaliel Onosode Oviemo Ovadje Ben Okri Grace Alele-Williams John Pepper Clark-Bekederemo (J.P. Clark) Jereton Mariere General Alexander Odeareduo Ogomudia CFR Blessing Okagbare ya'll can provide the appropriate descriptions |
| Politics › Re: Great/famous People From Your State! by PhysicsRND(m): 9:27pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=606540.msg7757339#msg7757339 date=1298060598]Stay there, We already claimed Nicki Minaj, guys are celebrating all over Ibadan as I type. We are up to our neck here. Anyway carry on.[/quote]https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-416504.0.html http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92712 Apparently Nicki Minaj is Igbo (half). Don't know how true that is; but it'd be ironic if this was one case where all this claiming was actually justified. |
| Politics › Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by PhysicsRND(m): 9:21pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
ezeagu:You don't seem to get what I was saying: What sources mention Igbos in 910 AD? Comprende, amigo? |
| Politics › Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by PhysicsRND(m): 9:00pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
ezeagu:I meant a written source. There was no mention of the site now called Igbo-Ukwu being called Igbo-Ukwu in 910 AD so the way you phrased your statement was simply incorrect. |
| Politics › Re: Great/famous People From Your State! by PhysicsRND(m): 8:55pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
fstranger3:lol, don't take it too serious. I was just continuing dayokanu's line of thought with regard to listing famous people. Ikengawo listed Maurice Iwu for Imo state in the first post in this thread and nobody took of 50 points or even said anything. If Yakubu Aiyegbeni can be a pariah because of the world cup disgrace, despite having a good career otherwise (third highest international goalscorer for Nigeria), then Onyiuke should definitely also be a pariah: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-582979.0.html https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-491602.0.html https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-162066.0.html |
| Politics › Re: Great/famous People From Your State! by PhysicsRND(m): 8:48pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
Jah Man:lol, -50 points for that |
| Culture › Re: The True Extent Of Alaigbo (Igboland) by PhysicsRND(m): 8:45pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
What I meant by it not being so clear cut is that has been said repeatedly on here and other threads, there was a great deal of cultural similarity and intermarriage and some claim that there is even huge similarity in physical appearance ("easterners look alike" type of comments). But as you can read in the third link, all oral traditions from the actual peoples themselves (Okrika, Bonny, Kalabari) point to a large Ijaw migration, then the founding of the city-states. Then later we see European explorers writing about them being Igbo when there is no way that those Europeans would necessarily have been able to distinguish actual Igbos at that point from Ijaws that had become outwardly Igbo due to mixing with the indigenous hinterland population and the influx of Igbo slaves from the hinterland. So it's not obvious to me. But that's just my opinion. |
| Politics › Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by PhysicsRND(m): 8:15pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
ezeagu:What sources mention Igbos in 910 AD? |
| Culture › Re: The True Extent Of Alaigbo (Igboland) by PhysicsRND(m): 8:09pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
Obiagu1:http://books.google.com/books?id=3ACKrcIEAl4C&pg=PA199&dq=the+king+an+heebo+bonny&hl=en&ei=38FeTYLpCcO9tgf409nOCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CFIQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=the%20king%20an%20heebo%20bonny&f=false http://books.google.com/books?id=0WYDAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA419&lpg=PA419&dq=the+king+an+heebo+bonny&source=bl&ots=bGoOUcvIkW&sig=9crwjKPXvDsUp0AsXEjwUaj-hak&hl=en&ei=eMFeTbjkGYKjtgfrjYnQCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=the%20king%20an%20heebo%20bonny&f=false ^^^^^ That's one account. However, http://books.google.com/books?id=pIR-mgBiJ-gC&pg=PA105&lpg=PA105&dq=barbot+bonny&source=bl&ots=v0opbpyTd6&sig=mewPl4QXCrRjJsKjapC641Zmi4E&hl=en&ei=mMJeTaehGM-utwfxxoW7DA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=barbot%20bonny&f=false ^^^^^ That's another account http://books.google.com/books?id=pIR-mgBiJ-gC&pg=PA105&lpg=PA105&dq=barbot+bonny&source=bl&ots=v0opbpyTd6&sig=mewPl4QXCrRjJsKjapC641Zmi4E&hl=en&ei=mMJeTaehGM-utwfxxoW7DA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=ijo&f=false ^^^^ Another It's actually not so clear cut. |
| Politics › Re: Great/famous People From Your State! by PhysicsRND(m): 7:53pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
Mkpotu:? What did she do? |
| Politics › Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by PhysicsRND(m): 7:50pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
[quote author=Negro_Ntns]In Nigeria, Yoruba is the only original and indigenous nation. We established our own states and managed our territoriaL expansions and consolidations through warfare and treaties.[/quote]Really? Idah (Igala)? Nupe? Nok? (whoever they were) Old Calabar (Efik)? Kwararafa Confederacy (Jukun)? You haven't heard of any of these? Also, I think you were ignoring another nation nearby the Yoruba "nation" (The Yoruba were not one unified ethnic "nation", not even under Oyo, until colonialism so the rest of your entire post is like the pot calling the kettle black, by the way). |
| Politics › Re: Great/famous People From Your State! by PhysicsRND(m): 7:36pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
manny4life:Thanks for the thumbs up. The part in bold was kind of what I was thinking and that was why I listed some people who were definitely not famous but definitely great and also why I wasn't hesitant to list people who were just known (like Dele Momodu) but not real achievers. |
| Culture › Re: The True Extent Of Alaigbo (Igboland) by PhysicsRND(m): 7:26pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
Ijaw Kwenu! (Ijaw agree) Ijaw agree that they're the indigenous population of everywhere, somehow. |
| Business › Re: IMF Proposes Devaluation Of Naira by PhysicsRND(m): 7:05pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
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| Politics › Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by PhysicsRND(m): 6:54pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=607521.msg7756451#msg7756451 date=1298051417]Then where are these peoples from? They had to migrate from somewhere. But their language has nothing in common with the Igboid, Yoruboid, Edoid, Ogoni or Ibibio speaking groups. They remain a mystery. Maybe they came from the sea. People in Ghana used to say the same things about the Ga people whose language is strange to the Akan and Ewe speakers.[/quote]Hmmm. That is kind of mysterious actually, but remember the Tivs are the only Bantu speakers in Nigeria, yet there's nothing to suggest that they were where they are now before or after everybody else around them. |
| Politics › Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by PhysicsRND(m): 6:50pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
ezeagu:There's no way the different groups could agree on who founded what, who ruled where, who's indigenous to this or that place, etc. Too costly and too much time would be spent trying to draft a compromise of history. |
| Politics › Re: Great/famous People From Your State! by PhysicsRND(m): 6:47pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
Anambra. Great people. Great state. Movers and shakers over there. 1 Like |
| Politics › Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by PhysicsRND(m): 6:43pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
I also don't see how they could be "pushed into the creeks" unless that was done systematically by every Volta-Niger group that encountered them. There's food and water in the creeks/rivers and by the sea so it's perfectly reasonable to settle around water. Why they leaned towards that much more than other groups isn't really clear though. |
| Politics › Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by PhysicsRND(m): 6:40pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=607521.msg7756342#msg7756342 date=1298050522]Well the Ijaw language is a "language isolate." Could they possibly be the original inhabitants of Southern Nigeria and were pushed into the creeks of the Delta, by the Niger-Congo groups? [/quote]Ijaw is a Niger-Congo language so it's part of the same larger language family as the Western Kwa group and also the Volta-Niger (Yoruba, Igbo, Idoma, Edo, etc.) group that I think you were referring to. |
| Politics › Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by PhysicsRND(m): 6:24pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
"The Kumoni-Oru who settled the Niger Delta with the most ancient inhabitants known as the ORU (TOBU OUT – ancient people’s) gave birth to the Ijos. The original settlements were in the western & central delta, from where they spread out to people the whole Niger Delta. This period has been estimated to have occurred between 500 BC to 1000 AD. These original ancestors were spiritual initiates of the ancient African spiritual initiation system of the CREATOR TEM (TEMUNO). They made heavy symbolic ritualistic use of the water, and hence have been referred to as the ‘water people’ ‘beni-otu’. Later on between 1200 – 1600 AD the Ijos of the Niger Delta received immigrants from their relatives living at Benin and the lower Niger regions, who were fleeing the various upheavals and power struggles of Benin city during the time of the 2nd dynasty. They collectively gave birth to the Ijo nation with its City-states and collective Clan communities. This is the birth of the Ijo people, otherwise known by the ancient name of ORU. [b]Some of the Kumoni/Oru remained behind at Benin region, indeed a section of the Oru known as the Beni, who had come from the Sudan (NupaTU or Napata) through Nupe, gave the name Beni to some of the newly emerging settlements. These were the Oru or Ijos of Benin City who later on between the 12th –15th centuries AD fled into the delta to escape the upheavals of Benin City. Along with the EFA people they were quite prominent at Benin during the 1st kingdom between 650 – 1150 AD. The aboriginal communities of Benin the ORU (IJO) and EFA lived originally in autonomous communal settlements. The City of Benin gets its names from Beni, the original name of the clan of Oru who settled the region, and Ado, the greeting term of the aboriginal Kumoni-Oru people who were nicknamed as such, by later immigrants. The history of the Ijo presence in the Benin region has never been fully explored by professional historians, but the ancestral narratives are quite clear on the fact that there was a strong Ijo presence in the Benin region up to the 16th century AD – the site of Benin City itself according to traditionalists is the site of the first habitation of the Ijos or Orus before moving into the central Niger Delta.[/b] However, not all Ijos left the Benin region. Some stayed and gave birth to the aboriginal Ijo clans of the Western delta fringe such as the Olodiama, Egbema and others with contributions from the main body of Ijos in the central delta. Some of these people may have kept some diplomatic relations with the new Beni kingdom acting as a naval escort force (Ozigue in Bini language) for some of the friendly Obas during their trips to Kuruama (Eko-Lagos)." http://www.ijawland.com/history-and-culture/207-ancient-history-genesis-of-the-ijos.html ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The first part in bold is rubbish but the second part that I boldfaced might explain the claims of killayut, which I think he's misinterpreting as being aboriginal and preceding other groups there. As for the first part, I'm stunned Ijaws are trying to claim Benin like that This claiming getting way out of hand. |
| Politics › Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by PhysicsRND(m): 6:14pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
Very interesting and relevant part of a longer article: "Who were these early inhabitants of the lagoon area? Traditions of lagoon people and parts of the Nigeria Delta indicate that fishing in lagoon, creeks and seaside was to a large extending a migratory occupation. Fish species move and seasons fluctuate. Hence fishing camps were often established at various points and fishermen were known to move to them and away from their home bases for long periods. As in farming, the concept of near and distant fishing grounds was practices among lagoon fishermen. The near, or home grounds were needed for quick fishing. The distant ground entitled setting up camps where curing and smoking could take place. Given their need for mobility, it was likely that the early lagoon fishing groups intermixed in customs and social institutions. From the Benin River to Allada, little settlements came into contact with one another and undoubtedly influenced the customs of one another. [b]The Ilaje peoples of Mahin (Okitipupa) were known to have moved some 200 miles west, and thus well beyond Lagos Island, in their immigrations. They probably did not collaborate fully with Benin in its westward march and this would explain why Oba Orhogbua (c1550-1578) on his return journey from Lagos attacked Mahin and executed its ruler as a traitor. The earliest period of their movements is yet unknown but it is not unrealistic to suggest that they were acquainted with the coastal waterways by the fifteen century. Furthermore an analysis of the traditions of some of the Ijo groups in the Western Delta fringe suggest that the Egbema had visited the vicinity of Lagos (Ukuroma or Iko (Eko, Lagos) in early times. The traditions of Olodiama Ijo agree with those of Benin that the same Oba Orhogbua (c1550-1578) after defeating the Ileja, stopped at Ikoro, a major town of the Olodiama Ijo on his return from Lagos to Benin. Although, how and where the Benin obtained their boats is not yet known it is safe to suggest that the Ijo and perhaps the Ilaje supplied the boats.[/b] The Aja speaking peoples of today's Republic of Benin, known colloquially in the Lagos area as Egun, migrated eastward in large number early in the eighteenth century, but a small, earlier infiltration Allada and Lagos Island from earliest times. During the latter part of the fifteenth century, the Ijebu appear to have begun moving south into the lagoon area, and it was Kita fishermen of Ghana who moved hundreds of mile eastward in their fishing migrants who were credited with teaching Ijebu migrants in the Eti-Osa area hoe to fish" http://www.enownow.com/news/story.php?sno=5707 I think killayut's assertion about the true Ijaw identity/origin of coastal Yoruba is false. |
| Business › Re: IMF Proposes Devaluation Of Naira by PhysicsRND(m): 6:05pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
Nah. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice . . . |
| Politics › Re: Great/famous People From Your State! by PhysicsRND(m): 5:39pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
Ben Okri is also of Delta State. |
| Politics › Re: Great/famous People From Your State! by PhysicsRND(m): 5:33pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
jchublue:Very good write up. But let's admit that some places have a special environment that produces individuals that are a source of pride, and that these individuals inspire other people. They especially inspire those from the same place to achieve great things or surpass those individuals. GEJ already admitted this with regard to Anambra and Ogun, and I think he was right. Those states have produced some real achievers. If they start showing off their achievers I can't really blame them for doing so. It's not merely about obsessing over where a Nigerian is from. |
| Politics › Re: Great/famous People From Your State! by PhysicsRND(m): 5:12pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
fstranger3: Yorubas, Specifically Osun state, ofcourse.lol, yeah Dele Momodu is completely culturally Yoruba. He would probably be only too happy if Yorubas wanted to claim him. Yorubas don't want him. Edos don't need him (doesn't represent us). Poor guy. And I did forget Sophie Oluwole (first female Professor of Philosophy, first Ph.D in philosophy from a Nigerian university, as well as the first female Dean of Student Affairs in a Nigerian university, for those who don't know who she is) in a sense but she isn't actually from Edo state. Her ancestors have been in Igbara-Oke, Ondo since 1850: http://www.edofolks.com/html/pub70.htm |
| Politics › Re: Great/famous People From Your State! by PhysicsRND(m): 4:37pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
^^^^ Thanks 46. Festus Iyayi (From wikipedia: "He left the shores of Nigeria to pursue his higher education, obtaining a M.Sc in Industrial Economics from the Kiev Institute of Economics, in the former USSR and then his Ph.D from the University of Bradford, England. In 1980, he went back to Benin and became a lecturer in the Department of Business Administration at the University of Benin. As a member of staff of the University, he became interested in radical social issues, and a few years after his employment, he became the president of the local branch of the Academic Staff Union of Universities (ASUU), a radical union known for its upfront style on academic and social welfare. He rose to the position of president of the national organization in 1986, but in 1988, the union was briefly banned and Iyayi was detained, in that same year he won the Commonwealth Prize for Literature for his book Heroes."  I haven't read his work. I'll need to read up on him. |
