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5. I also say that you're a propagandist because the truth is that the Binis are liberal rather than close-minded and their history supports this. A simple example will suffice: Of the 31 Ogisos recorded in Benin history, two of them were female (Emore and Orrorio). What other group in Nigeria had female rulers so early in their history? The only other group I can think of with such an early phenomenon is the Ifes who had one female Ooni of Ife. I can't think of any other groups who had female rulers without going forward by several centuries. In fact, the only reason there were not even one female ruler in Benin during the second dynasty is because one princess (Edeleyo, Oba Ewuare's daughter) that should have taken over (when Olua, Oba Ewuare's second son had initially refused the throne), fell ill due to a womanly problem (medical ailment) and there was a rule established because of that incident that the rulers should be exclusively male. And yet even then, the second dynasty of Benin held women in high enough esteem that some women's charms or "spells" were considered important to actual warfare and the Oba's mother had a title and her own court - which even inspired some Anioma groups to adopt a similar tradition when they had no such practice before. Another example: After Iyase n'Ode (the Iyase that had a dispute with the Oba of Benin that escalated into a full scale military conflict that ravaged the city) left the Benin court, the Oba attempted to replace him. We certainly know the man that he wanted to replace Ode as the Iyase - a man called Ogbomwan. According to the Bini historian, Osemwegie Ebohon, this man (Ogbomwan) was from Ogwashi-Uku (i.e. the Iyase chosen by Oba Akenzua I was a Delta Igbo). This is what Ebohon has recorded, and there's no reason to believe that it couldn't be the case as Ebohon would be damaging his credibility by making up his origin rather than collecting traditions. This occured in the 1700s. How many other groups had done something similar so early? We know that the present Iyase of Benin (Professor Sam Igbe) is Urhobo, but that is not the first instance where the Benin royalty has chosen a non-Bini over a Bini for a very esteemed position. |
“Not any other Oba, Emir or Obi in Nigeria had the courage to do that, and he was a typical example of his ancestors who defied the English. The heroism is still there, and it still continues till now. The Benin Kingdom is known for heroism. Benin Kingdom is known for patriotism, and Benin Kingdom is known for nationalism and I am happy that I was brought up here,” Chief Amechi stated in a chat with newsmen at the event. Chief Amechi who disclosed that he has written a book titled, “The Forgotten Heroes of Nigeria’s Independence” noted that the national award bestowed on some Nigerians at the nation’s 50th Independence” Anniversary fell short of expectations, adding that the exclusion of notable Nigerians like Oba Akenzua II who risked their lives to extricate the nation from the grip of British colonialists, was one such surprises that characterised the award. He noted that the incursion of the military into politics had interrupted the spirit of nationalism and patriotism in Nigeria, and as well disjointed the nation’s politics. According to him, the nationalists went into politics because of what they could give to the country, and not because of what they could get from the country as it is the case today." |
4. This honorable man (Chief Amechi) should give you just a hint into what the political orientation of Benin was with respect to Nnamdi Azikiwe: "Oba Akenzua II deserves National Award By MATTHEW OKAGHA BENIN CITY- One of Nigeria’s foremost nationalists, Chief Mbazulike Amechi has frowned seriously at the failure of the Federal Government to bestow a posthumous national award on Oba Akenzua II in recognition of his contributions to the political liberation of the nation from the British colonialists. Chief Amechi who bared his mind while speaking in his capacity as chairman of the triple celebration by the Esogban of Benin Kingdom, Chief D.U. Edebiri in Benin City at the weekend, stated unequivocally, that the late Benin Monarch was the only first class Chief in Nigeria then who was not afraid of the colonial powers, and openly identified himself with the nationalists struggle. Chief Amechi, who is the Dara Akeunwafor Anambra, stated that Oba Akenzua II was popularly known as the father of the Zikist Movement and the father of the NCNC Youth Association. He added that Oba Akenzua 11 identified with the youth, pointing out that whenever they were in trouble, the late Benin Monarch would rescue them, giving them money and even attended their meetings to address them. He disclosed that Oba Akenzua II at a point, defied all odds and travelled from Benin to Onitsha to address a meeting of the NCNC Youth Association in 1952. |
Interesting responses. |
@ Ogbuefi: As for your responses, 1. I maintain that you are a propagandist. Your statement about some sort of allegation among "the Benins" against Zik was shameless and unsubstantiated. 2. Your misunderstanding of the Uniben VC tussle and your pathetic attempt to insinuate that Nwanze was VC before a Benin man because of some sort of inadequacy or failing on the part of Binis was similarly shameless. 3. When I brought up that Chike Ekwuyasi had been elected on Otu Edo platform earlier, you claimed that this was because Otu Edo was allied with the NCNC, which shows a total misunderstanding of both my point and of political parties or it was a deliberate attempt at distortion. These sorts of distortions are what I would expect from a propagandist. Early you made it seem as though I said a "special favor" was done toward the Anioma by electing Chike Ekwuyasi under Otu Edo. I never said a special favor was done toward the Anioma by having Chike Ekwuyasi elected under Otu Edo. I only pointed out the significance of this to your claim about the Binis and tribalism. You don't seem to understand how a political party works. A man or woman cannot declare that they are representing a political party, without the approval of those heading the party. It does not work like that anywhere in the world, and certainly not in Nigeria. Any such action is just a lawsuit waiting to happen. An NCNC man could not just claim to be representing Otu Edo and start running in elections. There is no way and no how that the Binis would fail to notice that Chike Ekwuyasi is an Igbo man and if they are as tribalistic as you claim there is no way they would let a non Edo contest on Otu Edo platform and there is no way he would be elected after contesting. Or was Otu Edo founded and run by the NCNC? No. Otu Edo was founded and run by Binis, initially to oppose ogbonism. So the question is why they were liberal enough to embrace an Igbo man as a representative of their Edo based party! This is something you won't manage to circumvent with your skewed understanding of politics or your propaganda. |
@ Ogbuefi 1 you sound frustrated in your discussions with Exotik and now you are talking about people's parents. Why are you lashing out? I think he took you to school on the history and culture that you claim to have expertise in. You should answer his question about Oba Eweka and also about why they would adopt a practice (the "Omu" queen mother tradition) out of inspiration from a woman that they despised. This isn't politics, it's the culture section, so there's no need to dodge his points like a politician. Also, you should be thanking him. He educated you about the Oba of Lagos and about Edo words free of charge! So now you won't make those mistakes again when proclaiming to be an expert and not a neophyte. Make sure to thank exotik for educating an "expert" on the Midwest like yourself before you leave this thread. It's the polite thing to do. ![]() |
https://img683.imageshack.us/img683/1446/altarinbenincity1897pho.pngWhen I posted this earlier, I left the caption about "European plates" that the author (H. Ling Roth) put under the picture, but I should note that it's not in any way confirmed that these are "European plates." The book the image and caption are from, Great Benin (1903), although a detailed and informative source, has numerous biases. Benin had its own plates, bowls, etc. without importing, There was even a purification ceremony for visitors in which their feet were washed in a brass bowl. This is not unlike the other quote from earlier where the writer assumed that the Queen Mother of Benin was wearing "European" silks because the cloth was high quality. |
You are actually bragging about a group being kept out of the loop for no reason. People like you think you can just pull the wool over people's eyes - have a federal university set up somewhere but exclude certain groups from specific positions - and then, with the other side of your mouth turn around and promise that fire and brimstone will ensue if your group is kept out of certain political positions. You did not know what you were talking about and that was why I commented on your pathetic Nwanze comment. 16)To start with Jerome Agu Nwadike is not of Anioma descent and we all know that the only Igbo people left in Benin, Warri and Sapele(thousands of whom were killed ) when the war commenced in 1967 where Anioma people.So how did he see the Hausa of Lagos Street killed ?Did I say he was Anioma? I couldn't care less where he's from. There were Biafran soldiers who invaded the Midwest that he no doubt knows or fought alongside then or later so why would he promote lies about them?! The fact of Hausas being killed in Lagos street does NOT come from Jerome Agu Nwadike, so it's not as if his acknowledgement of that fact is what that statement is based on. I was merely pointing out that even he wasn't shameless enough to try and cover it up despite his biases. Many people wrote many hings about the war not neccesay on what they saw but on hearsay.Some even wanted to be seen as heroes and others as villains why others would want to jsutify the killings of Igbos in Benin by fabricating stories just for "National Unity".It is like to say Ok , your people were killed sorry but (without any evidence) people from the other side were also killed so let us just forget abt the war.In that spirit I can say yes we can forget , in fact most of us have forgotten and forged ahead but the truth should be told no matter how sad or bitter it is.People witnessed them being killed, and some people even took Hausas into their protection, as stated in John de St. Jorre's book. But their testimony is dismissible and a fabrication, but your claims about thousands being killed in Benin or about systematic annihilation are true? 17)I just saw the story on "Otu Edo" .It is true that Ekwuyasi of Ogwashi Uku contested and won under Otu Edo which was affiliated to the NCNC.The party encouraged people to contest beyond their places of origin and this was why Zik himself had contested in Lagos.Jereton Marierie contested and won elections even against the natives in Agbor and even a street was named after him in that town.The case of Otu Edo cannot be seen as special favour done by the Benins towards the Aniomas in which some of them have been so ungrateful to acknowledge.For the umpteenth time, you are a dumbass. I never said a special favor was done toward the Anioma by having Chike Ekwuyasi elected under Otu Edo. You don't seem to understand how a political party works. A man or woman cannot declare that they are representing a political party, without the approval of those heading the party. It does not work like that anywhere in the world, and certainly not in Nigeria. Any such action is just a lawsuit waiting to happen. An NCNC man could not just claim to be representing Otu Edo. There is no way and no how that the Binis would fail to notice that Chike Ekwuyasi is an Igbo man and if they are as tribalistic as you claim there is no way they would let a non Edo contest on Otu Edo platform. Or was Otu Edo founded and run by the NCNC? Otu Edo was founded and run by Binis, initially to oppose ogbonism. So the question is why they were liberal enough to embrace an Igbo man as a representative of their Edo based party! This is something you won't manage to circumvent with your bizarre understanding of politics. @ all, the spam bot got me, check the profile of PhysicsHD (rather than MHD) for my post if it does not reappear. |
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fstranger5:I don't think aloy/emeka is female. In fact, I think the thread that basically went "Are more African men marrying white women because they're better in bed" from aloy/emeka kind of rules that option out. |
[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=590933.msg8137128#msg8137128 date=1302904104]The Many Adventures of Dollface Disclaimer: 1) Ms. Dollface may or may not be a composite of various characters 2) Ms. Babette is definitely one person with several voices in her head 3) Tales may be tall or bow-legged, but more likely fictitious ![]() Act 1 - A day in the Life of Ms. Dollface Scene 1 Ring Ring Babette: Hallo Dollface: Make we gist Babette: Okay Dollface: Well. . .(voice in the background: "Ms. Dollface, these proposals you've been working on, can I get an E.T.C. on them"; Dollface[i]: in perfect queens english[/i]: "There are 5 of them, in terms of Expected Time of Completion, the priority is the oxford project and I have added an extra account manager and delegated a portion to Ms. Cupcake. We have a strategy meeting in the war room this Thursday and will meet every other day until one week before our deadline." Returning to gisting: I'm back o jare. Than was the Yeye oga man. I for sit here all day and do this yeye work. make we dey gist Babette: So this your ajepako brother. . . Dollface: Wetin be ajepako? Babette: A-Je-Pa-Ko. Instead of Ajebutter Dollface: En ehn. We know ajebota Babette: Well, the opposite is ajepako Dollface: And what is that? Babette: A-Je-Pa-Ko. "re-re-mi-do." It's like the chewing stick thing instead of toothbrush. Or A-Je-Pa-ko. "re-re-mi-mi." You, know, chewing the plywood. I dont bloody know mehn; You said it! Dollface: Me? I never said that. "Ajepako"? That one na new slang o. That na "abroad yoruba" Babette: So what is it? Dollface: Its A-Je-Pa-Ki. "re-re-mi-mi." That na people wey them chew cassava Babette: Why would anyone chew cassava? Dollface: bwahahahahahaha. . . Scene 2 Babette: (IM) I hate u and your ajepaki bro Dollface: no u no hate us o Babette: i need new friends Dollface: wetin u go do? Babette: drop u all but you'd prob go on a shooting rampage Dollface: tani? iwo abi emi? Babette: you of course Dollface: en ehn. See your head dey swell like garri Scene 3 Ring Ring Babette: Hello Dollface: En ehn Babette: Hey Dollface: hmm Babette: How are you doing Dollface: hmmm wetin nau Babette: Hope everything is going well Dollface: Me i dey fine Babette: Work is good? Dollface: You sef Babette: Day is just starting Dollface: Me I like gisting Babette: How long before u call it a day? Dollface: 2 hours Babette: Good. Day just about over then Dollface: Make we dey gist Babette: Okay Dollface: So wetin nau 1 hour later Babette: Thats funny i guess i'll talk to you soon Dollface: Wetin? We still dey gist Babette: I have to step away Dollface: En ehn Babette: Ladies room Dollface: Well, I go dey gist you Babette: I'll put the phone down. Back in 5. Scene 4 Ring Ring Babette: Hullo Hullo Dollface: (in background: e mi o raye iranu ati oshi) Babette: Who are you fighting? Dollface: Oloshi ni bobo yi Babette: Cool it Dollface: Wetin? Na my husband friend Babette: Oh I see Dollface: (Were ni e. I don dey tell you someone put curse for ya head long time) Babette: Yikes Dollface: Na ma homeboy o Babette: ok Dollface: (hey make u bring the eran dindin and the edie. make you know do cheat cheat. this time o we go count am) Babette: He works there? Dollface: Yeah now. He be fellow yaba boy o Babette: Thats nice to have fellow naijas around like that Dollface: (I dey talk to my sister. no mind am. Im eye no open wellu well) Babette: Dont insult me in front of him. Is he nice? Dollface: she won know if you sabi cute. hahahahahahaha Babette: Whatthehell Dollface: He says he go call you. He got one woman for yaba and one dey Mushin but no be problem. Im wife wey dey here be headache sha. So he will call you tonight tonight. Be nice to am o. Shay you no wan be old maid. He be very fertile man from Port Harcourt sef. Thank me later Babette: Bloody hell! ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ end of act 1~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ * Upcoming adventures will feature cameo appearances by Ms. Cupkake and other rowdy members of Ms. Dollface's gang of ne'er do wells.[/quote]But of course! https://www.thepartyanimal-blog.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/musical-tea-party.jpg |
In between posting news or informative articles, Aloy/emeka starts provocative threads for no reason (he had a hit thread in the romance section a little while back, remember?). It's kind of his thing. One of the moderators on this site (mukina2) is even a Sierra Leonean. . .Maybe he's trying to get her attention? ![]() |
Thanks Mukina. Could you also unban "PhysicsHD" and make this post: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=635616.msg8083948#msg8083948 reappear? |
Benin builders are justly famed for their craftsmanship, and there are several other houses in the city which would well repay detailed exploration. In some the courtyards are of much larger dimensions than in the house described above and one example has a peristyle of squat mud columns covered with figures in relief work running round them in parallel bands, while others have Brazilian Classical loggias (cf. MAN, I952, i65) running across the whole of the frontage.The preceding, and images e through g and fig. 2 and fig. 3, are from: "Some Aspects of Nigerian Architecture" Author(s): Arthur M. Foyle Source: Man, Vol. 53 (Jan., 1953), pp. 1-3 Published by: Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland |
The next courtyard contains two small shrines, while in the third is the shrine of Orunmila, the spirit of Good Luck (fig. 3), the most imposing in the whole house, consisting of a series of recesses like pigeon holes built in the solid mud |
He educated you about the Oba of Lagos and about Edo words free of charge! So now you won't make those mistakes again when proclaiming to be an expert and not a neophyte. Make sure to thank exotik for educating an "expert" on the Midwest like yourself before you leave this thread. It's the polite thing to do. 

