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Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by EzeUche2(m): 5:53pm On Feb 18, 2011
Chyz*:

Their fighting has got them nowhere, as far as taking land. Both the Ilaje and Itsekiri got the OPC to come and punish them. The Ikwere(Igbo)came with cults and punnished them plus Gov. Amaechi is driving them completely out of Port Harcourt. Im starting to notice that Ijaws attack groups whose name state with an "I" grin.

Now you know the Ijaws crushed the Itsekiri in Warri.

OPC could only sit back and watch those Egbesu boys do horrible things in Warri.

Ijaw after that victory though they were strong enough to take on the Ilaje, but the OPC stepped in.
Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by EzeUche2(m): 5:55pm On Feb 18, 2011
First, the Ijaws tried to claim Port Harcourt.

Then they tried to claim Warri.

Now they are claiming Lagos. Na wa o!
Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by Kilode1: 6:05pm On Feb 18, 2011
isale_gan2:

Hey!  Either the original author is smoking the good s#*t or there is something to this.  As they say, there is nothing new under the sun.

Anything is possible, but I never heard this before. 

We must look at it further:
1) We need Katsumoto, Kilode, Aigbofa and any of our Yoruba/Nigeria historians;
2) I will be talking to my Awori mom in a couple of hours; will ask her if she ever heard that the Ijaw/Ijo people settled Eko. 

I don't mind at all.  We are all one.

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No mind that writer, the Ilajes, Mahins and their Ikale cousins trace their origin to Ile-Ife.

I'll let the Ikales, Mahins and co speak to it. I'm certain they will want to say one or two things to this Ijaw brother.

Ilajes, Mahins and the people of Ugbonla and surrounding communities are not Ijaws.

But they are used to these claims though, they've been protecting the O'dua Southern Seaboard for eons. fierce people! If den catch this killayut, e no go funny o grin

Hopefully one of them will log on here.
Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by PhysicsRND(m): 6:14pm On Feb 18, 2011
Very interesting and relevant part of a longer article:


"Who were these early inhabitants of the lagoon area? Traditions of lagoon people and parts of the Nigeria Delta indicate that fishing in lagoon, creeks and seaside was to a large extending a migratory occupation. Fish species move and seasons fluctuate. Hence fishing camps were often established at various points and fishermen were known to move to them and away from their home bases for long periods. As in farming, the concept of near and distant fishing grounds was practices among lagoon fishermen. The near, or home grounds were needed for quick fishing. The distant ground entitled setting up camps where curing and smoking could take place.

Given their need for mobility, it was likely that the early lagoon fishing groups intermixed in customs and social institutions. From the Benin River to Allada, little settlements came into contact with one another and undoubtedly influenced the customs of one another.

[b]The Ilaje peoples of Mahin (Okitipupa) were known to have moved some 200 miles west, and thus well beyond Lagos Island, in their immigrations. They probably did not collaborate fully with Benin in its westward march and this would explain why Oba Orhogbua (c1550-1578) on his return journey from Lagos attacked Mahin and executed its ruler as a traitor. The earliest period of their movements is yet unknown but it is not unrealistic to suggest that they were acquainted with the coastal waterways by the fifteen century. Furthermore an analysis of the traditions of some of the Ijo groups in the Western Delta fringe suggest that the Egbema had visited the vicinity of Lagos (Ukuroma or Iko (Eko, Lagos) in early times. The traditions of Olodiama Ijo agree with those of Benin that the same Oba Orhogbua (c1550-1578) after defeating the Ileja, stopped at Ikoro, a major town of the Olodiama Ijo on his return from Lagos to Benin. Although, how and where the Benin obtained their boats is not yet known it is safe to suggest that the Ijo and perhaps the Ilaje supplied the boats.[/b] The Aja speaking peoples of today's Republic of Benin, known colloquially in the Lagos area as Egun, migrated eastward in large number early in the eighteenth century, but a small, earlier infiltration Allada and Lagos Island from earliest times. During the latter part of the fifteenth century, the Ijebu appear to have begun moving south into the lagoon area, and it was Kita fishermen of Ghana who moved hundreds of mile eastward in their fishing migrants who were credited with teaching Ijebu migrants in the Eti-Osa area hoe to fish"


http://www.enownow.com/news/story.php?sno=5707




I think killayut's assertion about the true Ijaw identity/origin of coastal Yoruba is false.
Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by Kennyblues(m): 6:16pm On Feb 18, 2011
TewMuch:

grin grin grin grin grin

Wonders shall never end, Ijaw wetin. I see small Ijaw tribe is trying to boost their population. They jumped from Bayelsa to Lagos. Do they think we have riverine area's or how did they get to Lagos, through the large waves of bar beach? From this assertion is it not right to claim Ijaw as Yoruba? Afterall Yoruba have Ilaje, whose way of life is similar to Ijaw. We can reasonably say Ilaje is the parent tribe of the Ijaw, and they are Yoruba. Hence Yoruba own Bayelsa state? That should be the topic. Wetin join riverine and ocean people together?

I just hope Becomrich will not see this piece of trach of a post before corobarrating his post with map that Bayelsa (Ijaw), Edo, Benin, Delta and all Southwest should join Benin Republic
Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by PhysicsRND(m): 6:24pm On Feb 18, 2011
"The Kumoni-Oru who settled the Niger Delta with the most ancient inhabitants known as the ORU (TOBU OUT – ancient people’s) gave birth to the Ijos. The original settlements were in the western & central delta, from where they spread out to people the whole Niger Delta. This period has been estimated to have occurred between 500 BC to 1000 AD. These original ancestors were spiritual initiates of the ancient African spiritual initiation system of the CREATOR TEM (TEMUNO). They made heavy symbolic ritualistic use of the water, and hence have been referred to as the ‘water people’ ‘beni-otu’. Later on between 1200 – 1600 AD the Ijos of the Niger Delta received immigrants from their relatives living at Benin and the lower Niger regions, who were fleeing the various upheavals and power struggles of Benin city during the time of the 2nd dynasty. They collectively gave birth to the Ijo nation with its City-states and collective Clan communities. This is the birth of the Ijo people, otherwise known by the ancient name of ORU.



[b]Some of the Kumoni/Oru remained behind at Benin region, indeed a section of the Oru known as the Beni, who had come from the Sudan (NupaTU or Napata) through Nupe, gave the name Beni to some of the newly emerging settlements. These were the Oru or Ijos of Benin City who later on between the 12th –15th centuries AD fled into the delta to escape the upheavals of Benin City. Along with the EFA people they were quite prominent at Benin during the 1st kingdom between 650 – 1150 AD. The aboriginal communities of Benin the ORU (IJO) and EFA lived originally in autonomous communal settlements. The City of Benin gets its names from Beni, the original name of the clan of Oru who settled the region, and Ado, the greeting term of the aboriginal Kumoni-Oru people who were nicknamed as such, by later immigrants. The history of the Ijo presence in the Benin region has never been fully explored by professional historians, but the ancestral narratives are quite clear on the fact that there was a strong Ijo presence in the Benin region up to the 16th century AD – the site of Benin City itself according to traditionalists is the site of the first habitation of the Ijos or Orus before moving into the central Niger Delta.[/b]



However, not all Ijos left the Benin region. Some stayed and gave birth to the aboriginal Ijo clans of the Western delta fringe such as the Olodiama, Egbema and others with contributions from the main body of Ijos in the central delta. Some of these people may have kept some diplomatic relations with the new Beni kingdom acting as a naval escort force (Ozigue in Bini language) for some of the friendly Obas during their trips to Kuruama (Eko-Lagos)."



http://www.ijawland.com/history-and-culture/207-ancient-history-genesis-of-the-ijos.html


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The first part in bold is rubbish but the second part that I boldfaced might explain the claims of killayut, which I think he's misinterpreting as being aboriginal and preceding other groups there.

As for the first part, I'm stunned Ijaws are trying to claim Benin like that shocked shocked

This claiming getting way out of hand. undecided
Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by ezeagu(m): 6:27pm On Feb 18, 2011
This is what happens when a country refuses to teach its full history.

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Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by aljharem(m): 6:28pm On Feb 18, 2011
death to the ijaws!!!!

death to the ijaws!!!!

death to ebegsu !!!!!

death to izon!!!!!!

i say kill them all!!!!! shocked shocked
Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by ezeagu(m): 6:31pm On Feb 18, 2011
PhysicsRND:

As for the first part, I'm stunned Ijaws are trying to claim Benin like that shocked shocked

This claiming getting way out of hand. undecided

grin No one is spared.


I don't think anyone should take any of these ethnic websites too seriously, most of them exaggerate and add a lot of rubbish to make their group seem like something they are not.

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Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by dayokanu(m): 6:32pm On Feb 18, 2011
Igbos own 95% of Lagos, Binis were the original settlers in Lagos, Ijaws now own Lagos,

The rate at which lagos changes ownership self is mindboggling

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Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by aljharem(m): 6:33pm On Feb 18, 2011
dayokanu:

Igbos own 95% of Lagos, Binis were the original settlers in Lagos, Ijaws now own Lagos,

The rate at which lagos changes ownership self is mindboggling
grin grin grin grin grin grin grin tell them my brother grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by EzeUche2(m): 6:35pm On Feb 18, 2011
Well the Ijaw language is a "language isolate."

Could they possibly be the original inhabitants of Southern Nigeria and were pushed into the creeks of the Delta, by the Niger-Congo groups?
Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by Katsumoto: 6:38pm On Feb 18, 2011
ShangoThor:

According to research, the Ilaje (Mahins et al) have always had a very early presence in Lagos. If you do a Google maps search for Mahin you will understand why.

However, the Ilaje trace their roots back to Oduduwa, and are affiliated with the Yoruba (fact). Nevertheless, they do share a river dependant life style and relationship with the Ijaw, so much so that they are intertwined but at the same time distinctive groups. They also share a common deity, Ayelala (a god against treachery, wickedness, dishonesty and evil), which legend has it ironically came into being due to a conflict between both the Ijaw and the Ilaje.

This is ‘OUR’ anthropological story of Human Evolution in the Niger Delta, and Southern Nigeria, we are all intertwined.


Ilaje, like other Yoruba groups, do not trace their roots to Oduduwa. There were Yoruba people at Ife when Oduduwa got there. Coincidentally, the rulers of Ife were from Ugbo (Ilaje). These group of people migrated to Ugbo after the revolt which led to their exile and the installation of Oduduwa as ruler of Ife. There were at least 5 Yoruba rulers at Ife before Oduduwa.

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Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by PhysicsRND(m): 6:40pm On Feb 18, 2011
EzeUche_:

Well the Ijaw language is a "language isolate."

Could they possibly be the original inhabitants of Southern Nigeria and were pushed into the creeks of the Delta, by the Niger-Congo groups?


Ijaw is a Niger-Congo language so it's part of the same larger language family as the Western Kwa group and also the Volta-Niger (Yoruba, Igbo, Idoma, Edo, etc.) group that I think you were referring to.
Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by PhysicsRND(m): 6:43pm On Feb 18, 2011
I also don't see how they could be "pushed into the creeks" unless that was done systematically by every Volta-Niger group that encountered them.


There's food and water in the creeks/rivers and by the sea so it's perfectly reasonable to settle around water.


Why they leaned towards that much more than other groups isn't really clear though.
Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by EzeUche2(m): 6:44pm On Feb 18, 2011
PhysicsRND:


Ijaw is a Niger-Congo language so it's part of the same larger language family as the Western Kwa group and also the Volta-Niger (Yoruba, Igbo, Idoma, Edo, etc.) group that I think you were referring to.

You are correct. However, their language is different from the West-Benue Congo language group. It is even different from East-Benue Congo and the North-Volta languages.

The Ijaw language has more in common I hear with the Mande languages, such as Peula, which is interesting.
Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by Katsumoto: 6:45pm On Feb 18, 2011
The write up is a joke. The Aworis and Ilaje are definitely not Ijaw. These groups were well settled before the Ijaw started to migrate westwards around the 15th century. The Ugbo (Ilaje) were settled at Ife before the arrival of Oduduwa in the 12th century. The Aworis migrated towards Ogun and then Lagos from Ife with the Olofin. Or were the Ijaw also at Ife before the Yoruba?
Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by Nobody: 6:49pm On Feb 18, 2011
alj harem:

grin grin grin grin grin grin grin tell them my brother grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

Wait till the hausa version comes out ,
Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by EzeUche2(m): 6:50pm On Feb 18, 2011
PhysicsRND:

I also don't see how they could be "pushed into the creeks" unless that was done systematically by every Volta-Niger group that encountered them.


There's food and water in the creeks/rivers and by the sea so it's perfectly reasonable to settle around water.


Why they leaned towards that much more than other groups isn't really clear though.

Then where are these peoples from? They had to migrate from somewhere. But their language has nothing in common with the Igboid, Yoruboid, Edoid, Ogoni or Ibibio speaking groups.

They remain a mystery. Maybe they came from the sea. People in Ghana used to say the same things about the Ga people whose language is strange to the Akan and Ewe speakers.
Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by PhysicsRND(m): 6:50pm On Feb 18, 2011
ezeagu:

This is what happens when a country refuses to teach its full history.

There's no way the different groups could agree on who founded what, who ruled where, who's indigenous to this or that place, etc. Too costly and too much time would be spent trying to draft a compromise of history.
Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by PhysicsRND(m): 6:54pm On Feb 18, 2011
EzeUche_:

Then where are these peoples from? They had to migrate from somewhere. But their language has nothing in common with the Igboid, Yoruboid, Edoid, Ogoni or Ibibio speaking groups.

They remain a mystery. Maybe they came from the sea. People in Ghana used to say the same things about the Ga people whose language is strange to the Akan and Ewe speakers.


Hmmm.  That is kind of mysterious actually, but remember the Tivs are the only Bantu speakers in Nigeria, yet there's nothing to suggest that they were where they are now before or after everybody else around them.
Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by step1: 6:54pm On Feb 18, 2011
This is madness, I have come from to realise that until we yorubas from awori, egun, oyo etc come together and kill this ijaw and igbos in lagos then we will have no peace.

Alj harem do you remember Alausa when Hausa people were claim lagos because it is call alausa
Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by EzeUche2(m): 6:55pm On Feb 18, 2011
Let us look at the linguistic map of map of Nigeria.

The dark blue color is the Ijaw languages. This map uses color to show relationships amongst languages. Ijaw language stands out, besides the Fulani language, but we know they come from the Sena-Gambia region.


Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by Katsumoto: 6:58pm On Feb 18, 2011
step1:

This is madness, I have come from to realise that until we yorubas from awori, egun, oyo etc come together and kill this ijaw and igbos in lagos then we will have no peace.

Alj harem do you remember Alausa when Hausa people were claim lagos because it is call alausa

Eyon mi, that language is a bit extreme.
Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by EzeUche2(m): 6:59pm On Feb 18, 2011
step1:

This is madness, I have come from to realise that until we yorubas from awori, egun, oyo etc come together and kill this ijaw and igbos in lagos then we will have no peace.

Alj harem do you remember Alausa when Hausa people were claim lagos because it is call alausa


What the hell does Igbos have to do with this topic?

Most Igbos do not claim Lagos.

And the Igbos who refered to claiming Lagos, such as myself were only doing so jokingly, because we know how some Yorubas get when we discuss Lagos.

We Igbos have more pressing matters like Port Harcourt and Bonny.
Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by step1: 7:07pm On Feb 18, 2011
Katsumoto:

Eyon mi, that language is a bit extreme.

ok mo ti gbo, sugbo a ni la ti sur ra fun awon omo inna ta bi ijaw ni. bawo lo ma she pe emi omo awori ni ijaw ? it is very annoying
EzeUche_:


What the hell does Igbos have to do with this topic?

Most Igbos do not claim Lagos.

And the Igbos who refered to claiming Lagos, such as myself were only doing so jokingly, because we know how some Yorubas get when we discuss Lagos.

We Igbos have more pressing matters like Port Harcourt and Bonny.


My ina brother, I was just joking. In lagos we and the igbos love each other very much since igbos behave themselves we will respect them.

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Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by jason123: 7:08pm On Feb 18, 2011
step1:

This is madness, I have come from to realise that until we yorubas from awori, egun, oyo etc come together and kill this ijaw and igbos in lagos then we will have no peace.

Alj harem do you remember Alausa when Hausa people were claim lagos because it is call alausa

Calm down! Lagosians know the truth!
Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by step1: 7:11pm On Feb 18, 2011
Katsumoto:

Eyon mi, that language is a bit extreme.

Sorry brother if you can not read my yoruba, it is the awori dialect. Hope you can read it
Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by TewMuch: 7:11pm On Feb 18, 2011
step1:

This is madness, I have come from to realise that until we yorubas from awori, egun, oyo etc come together and kill this ijaw and igbos in lagos then we will have no peace.

Alj harem do you remember Alausa when Hausa people were claim lagos because it is call alausa
grin grin grin grin grin cheesy
Dem see fire!!! Since then we no hear pim. They have gone back to selling their cow meat.
Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by aljharem(m): 7:13pm On Feb 18, 2011
step1:

This is madness, I have come from to realise that until we yorubas from awori, egun, oyo etc come together and kill this ijaw and igbos in lagos then we will have no peace.

Alj harem do you remember Alausa when Hausa people were claim lagos because it is call alausa

ideeiot i remember, i think you are an opc member, you are making fun of us angry

step1, this is war between me and you angry angry angry angry angry angry angry
Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by Obiagu1(m): 7:21pm On Feb 18, 2011
Now can I say the Yorubas are claimimg other people cheesy cheesy grin grin
Re: Yorubas Do Not Own Lagos, The Ijaws Do. The Mahins, Ilajes And Aworis Are Ijaws by jason123: 7:22pm On Feb 18, 2011
TewMuch:

grin grin grin grin grin cheesy
Dem see fire!!! Since then we no hear pim. They have gone back to selling their cow meat.


alj harem:

ideeiot i remember, i think you are an opc member,  you are making fun of us  angry

step1, this is war between me and you angry angry angry angry angry angry angry

step1:

Sorry brother if you can not read my yoruba, it is the awori dialect. Hope you can read it

Everyone should calm down. We respect the Hausas and Hausas respect us, so we cool  cool . About the igbos, I personally would not mind them intermingling with us and us intermingling with them. I admire their culture. They respect us and we respect them.

About the ijaws, LOL. They are simply joking and they are attention seekers. NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, WE SHOULD NOT FIGHT OURSELVES!!!. We should all respect ourselves. NO ONE IS KILLING ANYBODY. The last time the ijaws fought in lagos, we all lost although they lost more but still it makes no sense. You cannot blame them for behaving like this, when their land ( our land) has been deprived of the basic amineties. Their means of livelihood has been taken, they cannot fish or drink water from their rivers, why would they not be abit hostile??

Anyway, the south is cool!  cool

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