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jerrywill:
Happy sunday fellow christians.

Now let's look at it from the bible; when the Holy Ghost/Spirit was poured out on the day of penticost, the bible related fire to it. (And other incidents that followed) but it was never recorded anywhere in the bible where the 'fire of the Holy Spirit', in this case 'Holy Ghost fire' ever burnth or consumed anyone.

Now, I will like to hear your say on the topic if this Holy Ghost fire prayer is biblical

there is holy ghost fire but the essence is not to kill but to purify and to deliver.


The anointing and baptism of the holy spirit can also be likened to fire.

EMILO2STAY:
Instead of carefully scrutinizing
what they have been taught in the
light of the Scriptures, many
professed Christians today allow
themselves to be carried away by
every wind of doctrine as long as such appear to satisfy their
immediate emotional and material
concerns. One of such doctrines is
the teaching that there is something
like "holy ghost fire" which can be
invoked to destroy one's enemies or whatever obstacles that may lie in
one's way. Wrong notions
We must point out that the incident in
Acts 2: 1-41 in which the 12 apostles
spoke in tongues in fulfillment of the
Lord's promise cannot be used to
justify holy ghost fire prayers. In the first place what happened on that day
was that the apostles spokevarious
languages other than their own
Galilean tongue .The testimony by
those who heard the apostles is clear
on this, as it is written: "And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one
to another, Behold, are not all these
which speak Galileans? And how hear
we every man in our own tongue,
wherein we were born? Parthians, and
Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and
Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and
in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and
strangers of Rome, Jews and
proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the
wonderful works of God." - Acts
2:7-11.
From the text above one could see that
the tongues spoken by the apostles
were known languages which were understood by the people who had
converged at Jerusalem for the
Pentecost, a later name for the feast of
weeks which comes up on the 50th
day after the Passover. The apostles
did not behave in a wild manner. They were preaching, not praying. What
obtains these days however is that the
congregation keep shouting
sometimes for hours on end, uttering
unintelligible sounds (which they call
speaking in tongues) - all in the name of prayers. This is of course the direct
opposite of what happened on the
day of Pentecost.
What these professed Christians fail to
realize is that speaking in tongues was
necessary when Christianity was at its infancy so that the gospel could reach
those who were not Jews. After a
while, the gift ceased. The time of
speaking in tongues has passed as St.
Paul himself declared. - 1 Corinthians
13:8. When Jesus Christ spoke of the
kingdom of heaven suffering
"violence" and the "violent" taking it
by force, he meant that the devil and
his agents use violence to continually
persecute the true servants of God and make false claims to the kingdom(2
Corinthians 11:13-15) History is
replete with records of atrocities
committed by so-called Church leaders
against those they called "heretics".
Such churches have proved themselves not to be the servants of
God. - Revelation 2:9; 3:9. Another place cited by those who
believe and teach the doctrine of holy
ghost fire is Matthew 3:11. In the text
John the Baptist, speaking of Jesus
Christ stated: "I indeed baptize you
with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I,
whose shoes I am not worthy to bear:
he shall baptize you with the Holy
Ghost, and with fire" It should be
noted that this text does not say one
should pray for fire to destroy one's enemies. The statement of John the
Baptist meant that the mission of Christ
was of a far higher order than his.
After Christ had been baptized with
water by John the Baptist, the holy
spirit alighted on him in the form of a dove. (Matthew 3:16-17) Thereafter
he promised the apostles the gift of
the holy spirit (or the spirit of
anointing) which fulfilled on the day of
Pentecost when the spirit descended
on them in the form of cloven tongues of fire. (Luke 24:47-49; Acts 1:3-8; Acts
2:1-41) This was the baptism with the
holy spirit spoken of by John the
Baptist. Holy Spirit not Holy Ghost
There is nothing like Holy Ghost. The
word ghost, according to The New
Imperial Reference Dictionary comes
from the archaic English word g'ast
which is derived from the German word geist, meaning "a spirit
appearing after death". The Oxford
Advanced Learners Dictionary says it
means "the spirit of a dead person
appearing to somebody who is still
living" while the Websters New World Dictionary defines ghost as among
other things "the supposed
disembodied spirit of a dead person,
conceived of as appearing to the living
as a pale, shadowy apparition"
The word ghost was wrongly used by the translators of the King James
Version of the Bible to stand for "spirit"
which is the same thing as "breath of
life" - the power of God which is
responsible for the functioning of the
organs. For instance John 19:30 is rendered in the King James Version as
follows: "When Jesus therefore had
received the vinegar, he said, It is
finished: and he bowed his head, and
gave up the ghost." But the New King
James Version has translated it thus: " So when Jesus had received the sour
wine, He said, "It is finished!" And
bowing His head, He gave up His
spirit". Other translations such as the
New American Standard Version, the
New International Version, the Revised Standard Version, The Living Bible, the
Jerusalem Bible and so on have all
changed the word ghost to spirit.
The term Ghost" is also wrongly used
to stand for holy spirit. For instance
Matthew 28:19 is rendered thus in the King James Version "Go ye therefore,
and teach all nations, baptizing them
in the name of the Father, and of the
Son, and of the Holy Ghost." But this
has been amended in the New King
James Version to read "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations,
baptizing them in the name of the
Father and of the Son and of the Holy
Spirit." Jesus' Example
That God is opposed to the practice of
praying for fire to burn people is
eloquently attested to by the
statement of Christ when he was to
pass through some Samaritan villages and they would not let him pass as it is
written: "And it came to pass, when the
time was come that he should be
received up, he stedfastly set his face
to go to Jerusalem. And sent
messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the
Samaritans, to make ready for him. And
they did not receive him, because his
face was as though he would go to
Jerusalem. And when his disciples
James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire
to come down from heaven, and
consume them, even as Elias did? But
he turned, and rebuked them, and
said, "Ye know not what manner of
spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but
to save them. And they went to
another village." - Luke 9:51-56
It could be seen that when prompted
by his enraged disciples to pray for fire
to destroy the Samaritans for their slight on him, Jesus Christ rebuked
them. But the professed Christians of
today would readily call for fire to
burn their enemies. God will not
answer such prayers. In the light of
the above, it is also wrong to use the incident in which the prophet Elijah
commanded fire to come from heaven
to destroy or consume two captains
and their bands (2 Kings 1) as basis
for holy ghost fire prayers. The
incident was an isolated one in the ministry of the prophet and should not
be applied in this time of grace. - John
1:17; 2 Corinthians 3:17.
Jesus Christ during his sermon on the
mount exhorted: "Ye have heard that it
hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But
I say unto you, Love your enemies,
bless them that curse you, do good to
them that hate you, and pray for them
which despitefully use you, and
persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in
heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise
on the evil and on the good, and
sendeth rain on the just and on the
unjust. For if ye love them which love
you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye
salute your brethren only, what do ye
more than others? do not even the
publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect,
even as your Father which is in heaven
is perfect." - Matthew 5:43-48. See also Luke 6:27,28. Manner of Prayer
The Bible says that by their fruits ye
shall know them. (Matthew 7:16,20) It
is noteworthy that in the course of
prayers, some Christians today behave
like the worshippers of Baal in their encounter with Elijah as described in 1
Kings 18. They scream or shout
repeatedly at the top of their voices;
they engage in outlandish gestures
like vigorously waving their hands,
stamping their feet, rolling on the floor, pounding the wall with their
hands; running helter-skelter, uttering
incomprehensible sounds in the name
of speaking in tongues and so on.
These are not the manifestations of the
spirit of God which is "first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be
intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without
partiality, and without
hypocrisy." (James 3:17) The spirit of
God does not operate in such a way
that the person will lose control of himself and behave in a wild manner
for, the spirit of the prophet is "subject
to the prophets." - 1 Corinthians 14:32

typing long epistles does not justify the fact that there is holy ghost fire. whether misconstrued or not. it exists

FaithZion2:
This is false belief, nothing like Holy Ghost fire consume, kill, the Holy Ghost / Spirit I know is peaceful not violative, once it comes upon someone u feel, peace, joy, happiness, etc.........so they should find better things to do than deceiving themselves..........

read my explanation above.

jerrywill:
We are talking about the Holy Spirit in person here...they called down fire and not the 'fire of the Holy Ghost'

why was the Holy Spirit sent to us? to consume enemies with his fire I guess

calm down bro,, there is holy ghost fire and there is the fire of God. The holy ghost fire does not torment, it purifies a person and drives away evil spirit in a person. The purpose of the holy ghost fire is for deliverance and purification not to kill a person.

it is the fire of God that torments a person, like the fire in hell.

NigPatriot:
I'm rather unsure you have acumen about the Bible, who says you can't question God? Infact most of the patriachs of the Bible did. Abraham did, when he was pleading on behalf of S&G. Moses did on several occasions when bargaining on the Exodus of the Israelites, David did also amongst many others.

You just misdirected the topic with your response. Yes you Love your God but seek to understand first before responding..

when they did, did they him what he did or what he was going to do was not moral. They layer their request in a subtle manner.

NigPatriot:
Okay I got this off Quora website, and I felt erudites in theology enlighten us abit.

Deuteronomy 22:28–29; God’s punishment for the raping of a virgin is to pay her father 50 shekels of silver and marry her for life. The rapist was seen as ruining someone else’s property, not ruining a young girl’s life. Forcing a girl to marry her rapist and have her father accept some money as compensation is disgusting

2 Samuel 7:11; God, through Nathan, says he is going to punish David’s affair with Bathsheba by making all of David’s wives prostitutes. God making David’s wives prostitutes, despite what His own law said, is not moral.

Leviticus 26:29; God describes how he will punish people by making them eat the flesh of their own sons and daughters. Any God threatening to force people into cannibalism on their family is not moral.

Joshua 6:20–21; God helps the Israelites destroy Jericho, killing “men, women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys”. C’mon. Ruthlessly murdering all the women and children in a city is not moral.

Deuteronomy 2:32–35; God has the Israelites kill everyone in Heshbon, including children. Later in chapter 3:3–7, God commands they do the same to the city of Bashan.

1 Numbers 31:7–18; God decides to not kill everyone this time. This time, He commands the Israelites to kill all the Midianites except the virgins, whom they will take as spoils of war. Killing everyone besides virgins and using them as sex slaves isn’t moral.

Genesis 7:21–23; God drowns the entire population of the earth (except for Noah and his family): men, women, and children, both born and unborn, because they were “evil”. I don’t know how unborn children could be evil, but whatever. Killing the entire population of earth, including innocent babies, is not moral.

Judges 11:30–39; Jephthah burns his daughter alive as a sacrificial offering for God’s favor in killing the Ammonites. Jephthah is crazy for burning his daughter alive and God is crazy for allowing it. Child sacrifice is not moral.

Deuteronomy 21:18–21; God demands we kill disobedient teenagers. Stoning disobedient children to death is not moral.

Exodus 21:20–21, Colossians 3:22–24, Ephesians 6:5, 1 Peter 2:18; God legitimizes slavery by saying it’s okay to own slaves and to beat them. Slaves are told to obey their masters just as they would obey Jesus, even if their masters are harsh. God blatantly supports slavery. Supporting slavery is not moral.

There’s plenty more, but here’s a pretty solid list to start!

Abeg be quiet,, who are you to tell what is moral and what is not moral ?Who are you to judge the actions of God ? The law was not given to guide the actions of God but to guide the conduct of men. So just shut up.

I wasn't happy with valverde benching semedo for Roberto but I am happy we won.

Denis Suarez and Paulinho.

jonsnow92:
In this picture you can see the best player in the World Right now......and Lionel Messi.



Argue with Angel Micheal when you see him.

lol Michael.. wetin concern Michael with messi and football. na war baba sabi.

Whenever I see iniesta in starting xi.. my heart aches.

for me Denis Suarez is good enough to lead attack in the midfield.

analice107:
The same Ephesians says, We are seated with Christ in heavenly places far above Principlatities and powers.

The key Word here is 'Heavenly places.

You and I are limited to time and space, and therefore we tend to think that Spirits must be limited to time and space also.
Satan is not limited to time or space. Satan isn’t a material object or a person who takes up space like we do, nor is He limited to only one place in the universe. Just like God is everywhere; so also satan is everywhere. that's why the Bible says he is the Prince of the air. because he has taken the heavenly as his kingdom and from there he obstructs spiritual activities. Case in point, Angel Gabriel from getting to Daniel in time.

That doesn't mean he can change or control on even influence weather.

choi.

Satan is not everywhere.

He is at one place at a particular time.

Only God is omnipresent.

satan is not even powerful the way most people think he is.

OLAADEGBU:
Why then is it said that he is the god of this world? Was he not more powerful than the angels before he met his waterloo?

Lucifer is not more powerful than the angels. Michael even dealt with him sef.

Dembele should score against getafe tomorrow.

let us be frank and sincere those goals ronaldo scored against Buffon were tap-in goals.

If Messi and Barcelona continue in this form for the rest of this year. Messi would win balon d'or.

if only Suarez can be the Suarez of 2015,, we would be unstoppable.
As for dembele,, we give him benefit of doubt. He is a great player.
Dembele - upcoming world best player

Zodiac61:
Frankly, these two sentences are meaningless gibberish.

How won't they be gibberish when you lack understanding.

Christ took the penalty of the law upon himself. So we actually paid the price of the law but we paid the price of the law in Christ.

ajokebelle:
Thank you.
But if we are now in the era of grace, then why do we refer back to something's in the books that were in the era of law.

First,,you need to understand that the law was not destroyed, the law was fulfilled. Man could not keep the law that was one of the reasons why Christ came. Christ offered himself as a sacrificial lamb by taking our place and dying on the cross, so if anyone believes on the finished works of Christ on the cross he has fulfilled the law and has become righteous. He fulfilled the law through his faith in Christ Jesus. Apostle Paul says if we live by the law.. Christ profits us nothing because we have rejected God's gift.

Because the old covenant or testament contains the era of the law doesn't mean it should be wiped out from the bible. it was placed there for our knowledge,, that we might learn.

But as Christians we don't live by the law .the law brings sin.
And anyone that sins is not born of God.

ajokebelle:
Just imagine. I'm seriously confused

Ephesians 5: 3 - 6 ..
Read it and help yourself.
use goodnews version.

ajokebelle:
@ number 2--- does that mean the Bible
premarital sex?

the bible does not encourage premarital sex,, those were in the era of the law. But now we are in the era of grace..
Apostle Paul has made it clear that we should flee fornication and all walks of the flesh,, for because of these things the Judgment and the wrath of God is coming.
Read your bible and draw closer to God,, stop being deceived by anything you read on the internet.

Read Galatians 5:16 - 21,, 2 Timothy 2:19-22,,

let us take it easy on gomes,,, I think every player can improve.

we are here complaining about bartomeu and the board. Valverde is another problem,, I don't like his tactics.

they should just sign any attacking midfielder na....

Saintsammurai:
Pele scored most of his goals in world cup matches against teams like germany, argentina and stronger countries....Ronaldo scored against teams that the guys are school teachers and farmers planting crops...And you are here displaying that your brain is filled with cow dung.

brain filled with cow drug,,, haha

I think Barcelona should sign oscar.

ddippset:
lol. one day we shall have MMM. and that day would be my last as a fan.

MMM would be perfect.

Afobear:
hahhaaha.....barca linked with every midfielder and will still end up playing andre gomes...hahahahah...get ready for butt raping 2.0 from the madrid teams and sevilla

lol

Omg.. messi might miss 2018 world cup o.

jonsnow92:
Coutinho can play AMF perfectly...You probably meant We need a controlling midfielder.

is he a Barcelona player yet.

I want dembele to wear the number 7 shirt.