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@babs787,

babs787:
@pilgrim.1

Please take note of the highlighted qupote os yours. Answers will be provided in my next post to one of your rejoinders.

Please stop diving your nose under that excuse. I asked a simple question and I want a simple answer:

Quote me the verse where the Qur'an claimed to have come to CORRECT the Bible. QED.

These adventures of LYING to the public and then ducking simple queries has worn out and is boring us. If you have no verse in the QUR'AN for your assertions, please park your shakara one side and let us get on with more important things to do.

@mdsocks,

mdsocks:
No need arguing with you since you can't decide for me

I didn't come here to decide for you - unless you deliberately want us to believe that you are one of those who must be led by the nose. There are issues I pointed out about the cacophony in your previous assumptions - deal with them in as relaxed a manner as you possibly can without feeling the need of wondering whether or not we are arguing.

mdsocks:
You can check all my post and see anyone that exceeds 9:30 pm.

Again, I wonder if I am to take your timing as a programmed robotic adventure.

mdsocks:
You just seem to close your eyes and behave as if you don't get it.

Lol. . . please open your eyes and deal with the cacophony in what I pointed out from yours and stop whinging like a child.

mdsocks:
Continue walloping in ignorance.

Is that the best you can do after coming on board to pretend that you had anything to say?

Kai. . . we need to celebrate your al-harm-dudu-LIE one of these days!

@olabowale,

olabowale:
@Kokojunkie:Yourvictory lap makes sense, only to you and the rest of Christianity. I do not have to reread the Bible. I read a version in high school, which is different from what the sets that came just mere 3 years after me had to read.

There are also VERSIONS of the Qur'an that have said entirely different things from others - are you aware? Why do you Muslims pick your brains apart by referring to the versions of the Bible (which are more or less translation work by various scholars) and yet hide your faces in the Arabian sands when people also point out the various issues in the VERSIONS of the Qur'an?

olabowale:
A Theologian friend of mine, who is visiting his friend in Ohio, currently said to me that he as a prophet, and of course he heard me calling him a liar, immediately, will not come into Islam, not because he disagrees with it, but he can not leave his position of honor and the family tradition! Yet as he introduced me to another theologian, who is in London, immediately in just a very direct manner, God willing the revertion is just any moment. It is the heart my guy! Your effort to yell and and write hastily, will not help you. I disected your Bible you asked me to reread it, after I have read it for academic purposes for 5 years, lived with my mother all my young live, roomed with a baptist pastor in College and later married to a Christian woman for 7 years. What is in the Bible that I do not know?

You dissected the Bible, read it for 5 years - for academic purposes - and then claim there's nothing in the Bible that you do not know!

Great - I have been waiting all this time for your simple answer to my queries as to WHEN the revelations of the OT prophets changed after I posted a sample of their verses showing that they knew God as FATHER, while Muhammad DENIED that same revelation and claimed that he believed in all the prophets!

WHY do you come openly to a public forum and LIE so much like this, olabowale? If you were playing with your dolls, we would have stood amused and let you be. But when you come and try to make these silly boasts and yet demonstrate how empty you really are, you begin to cry your broohaha that peopl are not respecting you as an elder!

olabowale:
Which version, which edition, which publication, which one truly is the Bible that can represent 'Bible?'

Which version - which edition - which publication - which one truly is the QUR'An that can represent the Qur'an?!?

olabowale:
Yet I have not factor in the Catholics versus general Protestants Bibles and of course, the other groups of what the Protestants and probably the catholics, since I have not heard it directly, will call Cultists!

Stop crying the same song over and over again. It has become stale out of overuse! We have dealt with this issue of Catholic vs Protestant misgivings so many times - and yet, you guys did not last a week in the Sufi thread where I intended to bleach Muslims until your white robes reveal your very skins!  Smart fellows - some of you knew where I was heading, and you quickly duked out of the thread. . . a few others came with stories of one Imam saying what he does not understand (she also ducked after contradicting you).

Olabowale, you get problem. . . and I am still waiting for the names of the 24,000 prophets you offered earlier O!

@mdsocks,

mdsocks:
And Alhamdullilah, his performance was superb.

And Al-harm-dudu-LIE, for all that Muhammad confessed he was not better than even Jonah.

mdsocks:
If you can't distinguish between the two then i advise you find anothr way to get that because am not here to lecture on english.

We have distinguished between the two opposite bloviates from your hypocricy - and certainly, you can't keep up a discourse in simple English, since by default Muslims can no longer understand the language when their hypocrisy stares them full circle!

mdsocks:
Where is the plagiarizedf materilas?
Just because i wasn't online, what i had said was plagriarized? abi

My reference was generalized towards the default attitude of Muslims precisely as observed in my quote. You don't feel easy on it, talk to your copy-artists who are known to be involved in that trade!

mdsocks:
Lets be for once sincere with ourselves.

Yep - that's why I have decided to take your folks to a neat thread and bleach their dross until nothing is left for them to cover their hypocrisy anymore. Were they have LIED to the public through their yellow teeth that the Torah was LOST and that the Qur'an claims to have come to "correct" the Bible are two examples. More of them to be bleached as I have the time off my busy schedules.

mdsocks:
Whats excellenet in the question he asked?

Go figure. We already know that Muslims are struggling with simple English statements.

mdsocks:
Thats the dumbest question i have seen on nland in a while .

Another way of saying that you have no clues and simply found the question too perplexing for your grade.

mdsocks:
Who's Zakir ?

Hehehe. . . have you been so long on the moon bowing down to Al-harm-dudu-LIE that only you among all Muslims have no clues who the showman Zakir Naik is? Let's start with an intro - the showman Naik says "every Muslim should be a terrorist" (his exact words) - but he is more popular with making statements that more Muslims are finding so embarrassing to substantiate or authenticate!

mdsocks:
and Why would i ask questions from him?

Do not fret - after he has been bleached, Muslims are no longer interested in waving his bloviates in our faces any more! Only the rascals and scoundrels among your ummah haven't woken up yet and they still patronize him - until they also feel the heat and scurry under another 'al-harm-dudu-LIE!!'

@mdsocks,

mdsocks:
First of all, i had retired to bed when all these ramblings where going on.

You retired too early - and that was because you were lost for words to coherently convey your persuasions. You often see 'ramblings' in other submissions that come from non-Muslims; but when presented with simple queries, you pretend to have 'retired'.

mdsocks:
Its not that i don't know what to say or that.

You haven't demonstrated that you know exactly what to say - neither heretofore, nor yet even now.

mdsocks:
I cannot distrupt my sleeping hours because of some simple issues you guys don't get over here.

No, you would rather not disrupt your sleeping hours (as if it is programmed like a robot); but you could afford to disrupt it at other times when your penchant for bloviates are on the high.

mdsocks:
What is contradictory,

Do you seem to understand english atall.

Goodness! When did you start understanding English, mdsocks? Please understand that even in Arabic, if you had made those two opposite statements, they would nonetheless have qualified as 'contradictory'. You cannot come and shakara anybody here by first stating that:

"Nobody is claiming that any prophet is above the other.
All are equal and each has his own destined work
on earth."

. . . and then you came back and hypocritically set a superlative badge on Muhammad by saying:

he was the greatest in his works?

What was the correlation between "all are EQUAL" and "he was the GREATEST"? After hypocritically declaring that "Nobody is claiming that any prophet is above the other", it didn't take you long to demonstrate that you in very FACT are the one arguing to make Muhammad "greater" than all them whom you termed "equal"!

mdsocks:
Reread what i wrote their.

We have re-read your bloviates and also left you a few enquiries to clarify your mischief! Further, I have just juxtaposed them neatly to outline the cacophony in yours!

mdsocks:
In persona, they are equal but in their works they are very different.

Rubbish. Persona or works, you still went on to state that Muhammad was "greater" (not "different". Did your Qur'an tell you that he was "greater", even after it declares that there should be no distinction between the prophets? Didn't Muhammad very clearly say that he was not better than Jonah (whether in works or persona)? You don start your wayo against the Qur'an again, abi?

mdsocks:
Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of isreal but Prophet muhammad was ent to The whole of mankind and he had a greater task at hand because he had the hardest of jobs to do.

This propaganda lies of limiting the salvation of Jesus Christ to only Israel was Muhammad's deviation at work - because you guys have refused to read the whole testimony in the NT.

God so loved THE WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have
everlasting life. ~ [John 3:16]

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in ALL THE WORLD
for a witness unto ALL NATIONS; and then shall the end come.
~ [Matthew 24:14]

Go ye therefore, and teach ALL NATIONS, baptizing them in the name
of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost ~ [Matthew 28:19]

And HE said unto them, Go ye into ALL THE WORLD, and preach
the gospel to EVERY CREATURE ~ [Mark 16:15]

And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying:
for we have heard HIM ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ,
the Saviour of THE WORLD ~ [John 4:42]

Besides all this, Muslims are required to believe in Jesus Christ - even though you guys claim that he was sent only to Israel!! If Jesus was not sent to all the world, how confused can you guys be to read the Qur'an all over the world and yet acknowledge that ALL OVER THE WORLD, they are to believe in Jesus Christ?

You guys only know how to talk from both sides of your mouth - make a statement and then controvert and confuse yourselves in one line at the same time!

nwando:
and another said Allel[/b]uia had [b]allah in it,I concluded that these folks needed a reality TV show.

Hahahaha-hehehe!! This lady nwando, you no go kill me with laugh!!

Okay, I'm busy just now in my office but decided to take a small break and peep in here. Your summations have driven the drowsiness and made em alert for work just now!

Let us see how many other words there are that contain the word 'allah' or similar connotations (like 'alla') in them! These bunch of the "perpetually insulted" footsoldiers no go kill person with their comedy of finding 'allah' in everything on planet earth! So here are a few others:

~ ch[b]allah[/b] (also 'h[b]allah[/b]')
meaning: (Judaism) a loaf of white bread containing eggs
and leavened with yeast; often formed into braided loaves and
glazed with eggs before baking.

Any body wonders why Muslims (especially in Pakistan and Palestine) are forever hating the Jews? How can they have 'allah' in the loaf they bake?
- - - - - - - - - - - -

~ T[b]allah[/b]assee
That's supposed to be the capital of Florida, USA.

With a State as Florida where life is directly opposite to the dictates and taste of the Taliban, now you know why Muslims refer to USA as the big shaitan!
- - - - - - - - - - - -

~ W[b]allah[/b]
person employed in certain capacity or connected with
a certain thing or activity; -worker; -carrier.

~ Box-w[b]allah[/b]
itinerant peddler

No wonder the word 'wallah' is not so popular these days. Imagine a person not returning home after going out with a 'wallah' badge for a job description!
- - - - - - - - - - - -

And for the less obvious, there are also:

† w[b]alla[/b]roo - (large species of kangaroo)

† L[b]alla[/b]tion - (infant's talk, or speech similar to it) . . maybe that's why we no longer understand some of these people, or better still, we no longer understand the Qur'an as soon as it is translated into another language!


More available; but I need to get back to work quickly.

Cherio!

davidylan:
Most excellent question from longman!

I don tell you before to read the Qur'an chapter 5 v 82!!

longman83:
mdsocks, you did not answer my question.

Hmmm. . . na wah O!

So, the best thing that Islam does is ask questions. recycle plagiarized materials, and then when people ask Muslims questions, NO answers will be forthcoming?!?

Al-Harm-dudu-LIE!

davidylan:
lol madam pilgrim.1 . . . happy new yr in advance

mdsocks is busy asking Zakir for answers . . . until then he will continue to pretend as if he never saw the questions.

Hehehehahahaha!!

Now, @babs787,

When you resume from your blabbing adventures of LYING for 'Allah', please answer these questions and let us know where the references in the Qur'an are. There are only two simple request I will make for now (and others have been asking you to answer them):


#1.

For example, it was the same babs787 who lied to the public on this Forum that the Qur'an was "stating" that the Torah was lost - see again:

IS THE QURAN WRONG IN STATING THAT THE TORAH WAS LOST OR CORRUPTED?

(Source: babs787's assertion in another thread)

Can we ask babs787 to please kindly quote where the Qur'an was "stating" that the Torah was LOST! Without the usual drama of long stories, WHERE did the Qur'an "STATE" that the Torah was LOST, babs787?

#2.

Can you please QUOTE THE VERSE from the QUR'AN where Allah said that the Qur'an came to CORRECT (instead of "CONFIRM" the Biblical scriptures?

Answers please. . . and we can then know how far you want to take these LIES for Allah to wayo people on the Forum!

mrpataki:
Sorry I meant where. No problem though.

Thanks for your understanding, bros.

mrpataki:
As earlier stated, nice reading from you on the forum.

Many blessings.

mrpataki:
Have a blessed 2008!

Much more to you.

Olabowale,

olabowale:
@Pilgrim.1: ; The same can be made of the Present day NT versus the NT which Jesus preached about the Places; Saul/Paul is in the same place of Joseph Smith. And by the way, the founding home of the Mormon is in Upstate New York. Ask davidylan. Beleve it or not. You have godheads they have gods. From by place of observation, they are both more than just One God. The same hypothesis developed for Jesus is with the Mormon. Personal attack does not face me. I am sure you do not know me that well to be accurate about your description of my backyard, whatever that means! I will leave the Nevada thing to your imagination. Its your world.

It will help to refrain from these childish allegations and hiding behind your finger. If you want to discuss, show your mettle and let's look into historical antecedents - and not all this backyard pointing of fingers that appear every now and then in your storylines.

You should have known that your posts leak right through every asumption you make; for if you ever took time to read through the Mormon so-called 'Bible', you would recognized immediately that it is not what it claims to be. That is why I asked you to cross from Nevada and into Utah so that you come back with more sense that the otiose remarks you boast about on the Forum.

Everytime you claim to have contacts, we just dey bleach the hypocrisy. Any more we can help you expose? Nevada koo. . . Never-die nii!

@davidylan,

Happy New Year in advance o jare. How bodi?

davidylan:
However you still refuse to answer my question . . . if mohammed laid the perfect foundation for islam and was the "greatest and last" prophet . . . why is allah sending Jesus/Issa on the last day?

Lol. . . Muslims have no answers, we have known this from time immemorial. They love to ask and recycle questions and hide their heads in the sand as if those queries have not been dealt with. Then they reharsh the same thing again because Naik Zakir and his errand boys have been too busy of late to provide materials to be plagiarized!

Lol. . . @mrpataki,

mrpataki:
@ Pilgrim.1,

You are now blabbings lecturer.

Heheh. . . abi? If Islam produces illiterates who can no longer understand the English language, we are here to help them sanitize their rascal backyard diction.

mrpataki:
Nice to read your inputs every now and then.

Most times I choose to be quiet. But when the blabbing machine starts his adventures of LYING for Allah, I feel compelled to let him know that putting words into Allah's mouth is not the key to 72 virgins in jannah. He has lied that much on Nairaland that it is time we say ENOUGH!!

Bad if I did not know. But because I knew this things as a former Muslim, I can' sit here and let people like him continue to cheat the world with hypocritic LIES!! Especially because the Bible says that all LIARS shall have their part in the lake of fire.

mrpataki:
When in UK are you sef?

When or where? If na when - i dey here kampe!

If na where. . . haa!! I don't want Allah's footsoldiers to approach me with their knives suicide mission - no Muslim will have me as a reward in Jannah among the 72 poor virgins!

@babs787,

Note that I highlighted your favourite VERSION of the Qur'an - Hilali-Khan translation. They go on to state two things that Muslims hypocritically believe:

(a) they insert the words "Torah" and "Injil" as what the Qur'an came to CONFIRM

(b) they also go on to show that the verses apply to what is "WITH YOU" (or that which they possess!) - this indicates that these translators are not referring to any LOST Torah or Injil, but to the present Bible in the possession of Christians and Jews. Dr Hilali and Dr Khan are not translators from archiach ages - they did their translation work in the present contemporary times, and they were referring to "which IS with you" (and NOT "that which was with you".

If you sabi basic understanding of English, please note that there is a difference between WAS and IS!! These translators were not supposing that the Torah was with us and thereafter LOST!! Those who ever propounded the LOST Torah are LYING through their yellow teeth!!

Please babs787, it is either you put Hilali-Khan and other translators to shame NOW; or forever slap your LIES out of NAIRALAND!!   Lying for Allah will never bless Muhammad . .  so stop this Al-Harm-dudu-LIE that you have taken as a new adventure without pay!

Instead of coming to "correct", the Qur'an directly claims that it came to "CONFIRM" (i.e., VERIFY, REASSERT, SUBSTANTIATE, AUTHENTICATE, and VALIDATE) the Biblical scriptures. Where it does this or not is the next thing that will be of concern to us. But for now, I just wanted to let readers see the Lying blabbing machine you are!!

@babs787,

If you want to compare the various Muslim translations of the many references, let me help you with a few Qur'an verses to see the FACT that the Qur'an claims that it came to CONFIRM the Jewish and Christian Scriptures - especially the Torah and the Injil - in the Bible. Of course, there are so many references saying the same thing in the Qur'an; but I shall offer only a few for now.

In no place has the Qur'an made the claim (of "correcting" by which you tried to hornswoggle readers on the Forum, and it would be best that you cease from spouting the lies that have become your second nature!

Here are samples of such references in the Qur'an which claimed to have come to "CONFIRM" the Biblical scriptures:


Reference #1: (Qur'an 2 v 41)

Qur'an[b]:  سورة البقرة  Al-Baqara, Chap.[b]2, verse 41

Picthall
And believe in that which I reveal,
confirming that which ye possess already (of the Scripture),
and be not first to disbelieve therein, and part not with My revelations
for a trifling price, and keep your duty unto Me.

Yusuf Ali
And believe in what I reveal,
confirming the revelation which is with you,
and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs
for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone.

Hilali-Khan
And believe in what I have sent down (this Qur'an),
confirming that which is with you, [the Taurat (Torah)
and the Injeel (Gospel)], and be not the first to disbelieve
therein, and buy not with My Verses [the Taurat (Torah) and
the Injeel (Gospel)] a small price (i.e. getting a small gain by
selling My Verses), and fear Me and Me Alone.
(Tafsir At-Tabari, Vol. I, Page 253).

Shakir
And believe in what I have revealed,
verifying that which is with you,
and be not the first to deny it, neither take a mean price
in exchange for My communications; and Me, Me alone
should you fear.

Khalifa
You shall believe in what I have revealed herein,
confirming what you have;
do not be the first to reject it. Do not trade away
My revelations for a cheap price, and observe Me.

---

Reference #2: (Qur'an 2 v 89)

Qur'an[b]:  سورة البقرة  Al-Baqara, Chap.[b]2, verse 89

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And when there cometh unto them a scripture from Allah,
confirming that in their possession - though before that
they were asking for a signal triumph over those who disbelieved
- and when there cometh unto them that which they know (to be
the truth) they disbelieve therein. The curse of Allah is on disbelievers.

Yusuf Ali
And when there comes to them a Book from God,
confirming what is with them, - although from of old
they had prayed for victory against those without Faith,
- when there comes to them that which they (should) have
recognised, they refuse to believe in it but the curse of God
is on those without Faith.

Hilali-Khan
And when there came to them (the Jews),
a Book (this Qur'an) from Allah
confirming what is with them [the Taurat (Torah)
and the Injeel (Gospel)], although aforetime they had
invoked Allah (for coming of Muhammad Peace be upon him)
in order to gain victory over those who disbelieved, then when
there came to them that which they had recognised,
they disbelieved in it. So let the Curse of Allah be on
the disbelievers

Shakir
And when there came to them a Book from Allah
verifying that which they have, and aforetime they used
to pray for victory against those who disbelieve, but when
there came to them (Prophet) that which they did not recognize,
they disbelieved in him; so Allah's curse is on the unbelievers.

---

Reference #3: (Qur'an 2 v 91)

Qur'an[b]:  سورة البقرة  Al-Baqara, Chap.[b]2, verse 91


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And when it is said unto them: Believe in that which
Allah hath revealed, they say: We believe in that which
was revealed unto us. And they disbelieve in that which
cometh after it, though it is the truth confirming that
which they possess. Say (unto them, O Muhammad):
Why then slew ye the prophets of Allah aforetime, if ye are
(indeed) believers?

Yusuf Ali
When it is said to them, "Believe in what God Hath sent down,"
they say, "We believe in what was sent down to us:" yet they
reject all besides, even if it be Truth confirming what is with
them. Say: "Why then have ye slain the prophets of God in times
gone by, if ye did indeed believe?"

Hilali-Khan
And when it is said to them (the Jews), "Believe in what Allah
has sent down," they say, "We believe in what was sent down
to us." And they disbelieve in that which came after it, while it
is the truth confirming what is with them. Say (O Muhammad
Peace be upon him to them): "Why then have you killed the Prophets
of Allah aforetime, if you indeed have been believers?"

Shakir
And when it is said to them, Believe in what Allah has revealed,
they say: We believe in that which was revealed to us; and they
deny what is besides that, while it is the truth verifying that
which they have. Say: Why then did you kill Allah's Prophets
before if you were indeed believers?

In all the preceding verses from the Qur'an, where did 'Allah' or Muhammad ever claim that the Qur'an came to "correct" the Biblical Scriptures, babs787? Why are you buying into the duplicity of your Muslim propagandists without carefully checking out what they are claiming?!? Or is lying for 'Allah' the best next thing that your scholars can do to cover up Muhammad's fallacies?

@babs787,

I know that the next thing Muslims would do is to deny that the Qur'an came to "confirm" the Biblical scriptures; or pretend that they no longer understand the meaning of the English word "confirm" which their own Muslim translators have used to describe the purpose of the Qur'an in relation to the Bible! So, one more English lesson from yet another dictionary (the American Heritage Dictionary online) to enunciate the meaning of the word "confirm".

The American Heritage Dictionary offers the following as SYNONYMS: confirm, corroborate, substantiate, authenticate, validate, verify; and then explicates them as follows:

[list]These verbs mean to affirm the truth, accuracy, or genuineness of something.

 Confirm implies removal of all doubt

 Corroborate refers to supporting something by means of strengthening evidence

 To substantiate is to establish by presenting substantial or tangible evidence

 Authenticate implies the establishment of genuineness of something by the testimony of an expert

 Validate refers to establishing the validity of something, such as a theory, claim, or judgment

 Verify implies proving by comparison with an original or with established fact[/list]

From these definitions, we observe that when Muslim translators state that the Qur'an came to "confirm" the Biblical scriptures, they were effectively saying that the Qur'an came to corroborate, substantiate, authenticate, validate, and verify the same Biblical documents! Although this is the claim of the Qur'an, we shall subsequently see that it is more a LIE than anything to be taken seriously!

You cannot claim to be confirming anything and yet forcing yourself to believe that it is "false". Claiming that something is false is not "confirming" it - rather, it is to "contradict" yourself and so rubbish the claim of the Qur'an that it came to "confirm" the Biblical Scriptures!

If you disagree that your Qur'an claims to "confirm" the Biblical Scriptures, then WHERE did the Qur'an claim to have come to "correct" the Jewish and Christian Scriptures?!? We know there were no such claims in the Qur'an to have come to "correct" the Biblical documents - for that claim in itself would only suppose indeed that the Qur'an was contradicting itself already!!!

WHY do Muslims keep lying for 'Allah' in order to cover up Muhammad's duplicity?

My simple challenge in the present thread therefore is to closely examine yet another dubious claim he has made. Thus, I'd like to begin by proposing a pointer:

Did The Qur'an Come to 'Correct' the BIBLE?

This is just another example where Muslims are at their lies again (as YOU babs787 have posted in the other thread) - and I decided to set the record straight in this new thread. The brash and brazen attitude of Muslims lying to please 'Allah' is not going to bless Muhammad; and if there's anything that would help your cause, it should be a ready heart to admit the simple truth as it appears in the sources you quote.

Hence, let us examine the recent dubious claim in babs787's assertion:


@babs787,

babs787:
The original message has been distorted hence the coming of the last book to correct those mistakes.

What "mistakes" did the so-called 'last book' come to "correct"?

Don't you see how dubious you are? The Qur'an says that it came to "CONFIRM" what the Bible teaches rather than try to "correct" it! If the Torah and Injil were revealed by 'Allah', then the so-called 'mistakes' were revealed by 'Allah' as well! Are you now trying to cheat your ummah with this dubious refrain to "mistakes" when the Qur'an claims that 'Allah' was the one who revealed those Biblical scriptures?

Let me walk you through some English lessons - because often times you Muslims only demonstrate the fact that you're so illiterate as to understand the basic meanings of simple words! Unless your Muslim translators deliberately wanted to LIE, we shall see here that your idea of the Qur'an coming to "correct" the Biblical scriptures does NOT exist anywhere in the Qur'an. Rather, in every instance of the meaning of the word "confirm" (which your Muslim translators have used many times), we find that the purpose of the Qur'an was to validate the Biblical scriptures as being TRUE!

There is a huge difference between "correcting" and "confirming" something. While 'Allah' never once claimed that the Qur'an came to "correct" the Biblical documents, we note that synonyms of the word "confirm" include:

~ corroborate: 'support with evidence or authority or make more certain or confirm'

~ substantiate: 'strengthen or make more firm'

~ reassert: 'establish or strengthen as with new evidence or facts'

~ affirm: 'to declare or affirm solemnly and formally as true'

~ verify: 'to confirm the truth of'. . and. . 'to declare or affirm solemnly and formally as true'

All these expressions (corroborate, substantiate, reassert, affirm, verify) simply mean one thing: that what is being "confirmed" is TRUE! If the Qur'an claims to have come to confirm the Biblical scriptures (especially the Torah and Injil), then it is only saying that those scriptures are TRUE!!

As a matter of fact, another dictionary (MSN encarta online) gives various possible meanings of the word "confirm" as including:

Definition:

1. transitive verb prove something to be true:
to verify the truth or validity of something thought
to be true or valid

2. transitive and intransitive verb make something definite:
to make certain that a tentative arrangement or one made
earlier is firm

3. transitive verb legally approve something:
to ratify or make something valid with a formal or legal act

4. transitive verb strengthen something:
to make something stronger

In order words, since the various Muslim translators agree that the Qur'an came to "confirm" the Biblical scriptures, it only means from the above word definition that the Qur'an came to:

1. 'prove something (the Biblical scriptures) to be true'

2. 'make something (the Biblical scriptures) definite'

3. 'legally approve something (the Biblical scriptures)'

4. make something (the Biblical scriptures) stronger

If you care, you may also want to check the same reference (MSN encarta online)) for the synonyms (similar words) of the word "confirm", which include those same words enunciated earlier as to the fact the Qur'an came to do all these to the Biblical scriptures:

~ strengthen
~ firm up
~ fortify
~ reinforce
~ substantiate
~ corroborate
~ verify
~ authenticate
~ approve
~ sanction
~ endorse

It does not matter whether or not the Qur'an actually "confirms" the Biblical scriptures (we shall see that such a claim is a huge LIE in all its details). What is of vital here is to note the claim that Muslim translators have used the word "confirm" in describing the purpose of the Qur'an in relation to the Jewish and Christian scriptures. ARE THEY LYING or being mischievous?

According to babs787, the Qur'an came to "CORRECT" some perceived 'mistakes' in the "original message". That is a dubious statement not even supported by the Qur'an - unless babs787 is hell-bent on forcing words into Allah's mouth to make him say what he never said in the Qur'an!

He is fond of making such hypocritical statements while claiming them to be what the Qur'an says. For example, it was the same babs787 who lied to the public on this Forum that the Qur'an was "stating" that the Torah was lost - see again:

IS THE QURAN WRONG IN STATING THAT THE TORAH WAS LOST OR CORRUPTED?

(Source: babs787's assertion in another thread)

Can we ask babs787 to please kindly quote where the Qur'an was "stating" that the Torah was LOST! Without the usual drama of long stories, WHERE did the Qur'an "STATE" that the Torah was LOST, babs787?

Up to the present date, he has not offered an answer to his assertive denials - and I've already bleached that duplicity in a relevant thread.

Make una see drama! Just as I was getting ready to vroom off to work, he logs off - perhaps to go and sob to Naik Zakir!

Okay, I have another 10 minutes to spare.

Let me take babs787 on an English course and then come back and show him what the Qur'an exactly claimed to do!

Anyhow, I will be off soon. When you find the verse for where Allah ever led you to LIE about "correcting" the Bible, please simply post that verse and let us read it.

No use for long frantic drama of the bible is 'corrupt, verses missing, etc.' Keep the excuses, say something fresh and save the recycled drivel. Just show us that the Qur'an said it came to CORRECT the Bible. Period.

@babs787,

Why is it taking you forever to quote the verse from the Qur'an for this simple question?

@babs787,

babs787:
@Pilgrim


It seems she is confused

How can a confused person point out your adventures of LYING for Allah?

babs787:
Mumu, how did an illiterate copy the bible? Did he copy catholic bible, protestant bible or jehovah witness bible and which version did he copy; is KJV, RSV, Amplified bible, Holy Bible, Good News Bible, NIT, etc because there are verses missing in them and also we have contradictions. So let me have the one he copied.

Muhammad wasn't an illiterate - that is yet another LIE that Muslim propagandists have circulated to make him appear that he was illiterate. How could an illiterate know how much inheritance to divide among those he cheated, copping out 4 wives for all Muslim men while he knew the number above 4 wives to take to himself?

On a serious note, I keep letting you guys deny that Muhammad was literate - but I will come back at the relevant time and share more on that deception.

babs787:
Are you making sense at all? Have you read your bible from Genesis to revelation before typing nonsense here? If you havent let me know so that I serve you verses where killing spree, incest, sex by force, forceful marriage is being practised

And the killing spree and incest were all the parcelled adventures with which Muhammad was sent, yes?

babs787:
Do you have any p;oint here. It seems you keep getting tired each day. Are you running out of your hogwash . You have been provided detailed explanation on that your nightmare

I don't recycle old tales from the Qur'an. That is why I opened a new thread to request a simple question to a new deception YOU brought up. Go there and deal with it and let us know how much education you have attined in basic English!

babs787:
@pilgrim

Is it too hard for you to answer? Is God of the OT same as that of NT?

My question was simple and direct: did you not claim that the same God sent Muhammad? Why now the hypocrisy of denying that position - so you can conveniently attack the Bible when Muhammad is bleaxched out of its pages, yes?

@babs787,

Here is your direct quote: (and the source: click here)

babs787:
The original message has been distorted hence the coming of the last book to correct those mistakes.

That is a classic LIE of Muslim propagandists. There is no reference in the Qur'an to that dubious statement.

That is why I brought you here to have a field day and let us know where the Qur'an ever claimed that "advanced lie" you have adduced to put words into Allah's mouth.


WHERE did your Qur'an say so, babs787?

WHAT rather did your Qur'an claim?

mrpataki:
I have been following the way you dance joyfully on your advanced stupidity these days. For over a year now, you don't know how to answer a simple question.

Hahahaha-hehehe!!

mrpataki:
Answer the question! With relevant nonsense from the Quran. Or forever live with your stupidity.

Hehehehe-HAHAHAHA!!

mrpataki:
Happy New Year by the way.

Bo, my bros and everybody, Happy New Year o jare!! May the good Lord bless you all in the new anno Domini!

@babs787,

babs787:
@pilgrim

I am not surprised since your parent are fools too. Let me have the thread where you provided answers.

Ah. . there! So the mere fact that you're mentally challenged really touched you so much you could that distance to address my parents directly as such? No worries - you just again confirmed exactly what you are!

babs787:
No I havent made it that way but your parent that regretted giving birth that to an uncouth fool like you that lacked home training but decide to be putting them to shame.

Please school up and come over, if you're regretting living in darkness. No be my fault that the Qur'an declares clearly that Christians are scholars. Lol. . . as for Muslims, the very Arabs from which Muhammad arose was directly said to be most ignorant and hypocritical. Did the Qur'an say so or not?

babs787:
You will always show your pranks by avoiding questions that seems too hard for you. Omo osi, let me have where you provided answers.

There are no pranks in my rejoinders. Your hyperventilating every single time issues are being discussed is the reason why I refuse to entertain your Islamic convenience game and instead put you on spotlight to address simple questions. Is it hard for your to open your untouchable Qur'a and offer the verses I requested?

babs787:
That goes to your parent and your older family member.

No worries. . . now we know you're waking up and are feeling the pinch. You can abuse my parents all you want, I won't go that far with your parents. If you had home training, that is what you were taught, abi?

Just for the records, my parents do not LIE for Allah the way you have been doing on the Forum.

babs787:
Liar, I very sure that your parent will be gfeeling bad if they could lay their hands on your post where you have been putting them to shame. Now let me have where you dealt with those questions

My parents do not feel bad if I have requested you to let me have the verse in the Qur'an where you lied for Allah. Too hard for you?

babs787:
Mumu, I asked you to give me verses from the OT where it was said that Jesus would be crucified and resurrect after the third day but you couldnt do that.

Deal with the ones on crucifixion - and then we move on to the timing. You are predictably scooting away from the crucifixion and avoidng it. I want your exegesis on those verses, then we shall see where in the Bible any of the prophets ever mentioned anything about Muhammad coming after Jesus and what year that was supposed to happen.

davidylan:
answer the question first!

Muhammad claimed the bible is corrupt . . . the onus thus lies on him to prove his fallacious theory, to continually ask christians if they think the bible is corrupt is mere dishonesty and an attempt to play al taquiyya.

Let the guy play al taqiyya and LIE for Allah as much as he can. That is why I brought him here to have a field day LYING for Allah and let the rest of us know the sort of Muslim he is.

@babs787,

babs787:
@pilgrim

Omo abi ipabe, your brother said:


I asked him to supply me the reason


Mumu, I asked you so give it to me from your bible.

Don't take a heart attack for your slow wittedness. I only want to reason with you, and if you're mentally handicapped, no worries.

Again, did the Qur'an or hadith show that any other person would del with the anti-Christ? If so, please share with us. If not, what was the purpose of your querying the point after you read it in the post you replied to? Or were you forcing yourself to just show that you are struggling to understand yourself?

babs787:
Do you mean bible? Stop deceiving yourself, are you afraid to touch your bible again? Havent you been lifting verses from there since; let me have the story from your bible.

Is that the style you use for avoding the challenge to go to the bible and bring out the answerrs? Hasve i ever waited to ask anyone before going to the Qur'an? Nobody ever claimed that the Bible is untouchable. We have seen how Muslims have made the point that the Qur'an is so sanctimonious that Muslims are ready to lynch a Christian teacher in Gombe for a so-called desecration of the book that ceases to be allah's woprd as soon as it is transklated into another language!

babs787:
But you have been shown that your bible is corrupt and can not be relied upon as the real message God gave to Moses and Jesus.

Please stop this LYING for Allah adventures. If the Bible was so corrupt, what was Muhammad doing in a corrupt book? Since it is the word of men, was the Qur'an LYINg to you to come seeking Muhammad in the Bible that you now call corrupt? Is that how Allah asked you to operate your deceit?

babs787:
It has done that and that is just the reason we have been able to give you detailed, unadulterated stories from the Quran as againt the bible that is having contradictions, missing verses etc

We know the Qur'an was edited by the third Caliph. We know that he ordered the other copies of the Qur'an to be burnt after his edited work was completed. We also know that some verses of the Qur'an were cancelled. We also know that all you can claim for the Qur'an are STORIES of Muhammad's denials. Anything new?

I simply want the verse in the Qur'an where you claimed that it came to CORRECT the Biblical scriptures. That was your direct quote, and I'm waiting for your sincere quote of the verse where it says so in the Qur'an.

Thank you.

@auwal87,

Where you dey? Whatever happened to your fake drivel all along that you deserted this thread?

Please I need you to address the queries I left you - in fair exchange, I ahve offered you detailed answers to your vexations. So, please come back and show your mettel and address these issues, thank you:

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=94399.msg1786234#msg1786234 date=1198231214]@auwal87,


Just incase you were deliberately ducking it, here again was my request in the previous rejoinder. This Islamic hide-and-seek games of never answering any questions but asking others to offer your illiterate queries, will not work with me!

Like your bros used to say: "oya answer me. . . after that one, more will come!"

Don't try to prove yourself a coward by ducking this one. If you do, I take it then that you're very well confirming your cowardice! Oya, "answer me".

---

Now the two simple questions I should remind you herewith:

~ Did God ever reveal Himself to Muhammad?
(that is, did Muhammad ever see God at any time?)

~ Did God ever speak directly to Muhammad?

Why is it that up until now you have not been able to demonstrate that Muhammad passed those tests?


So, you see that Muhammad actually did not see 'Allah' at any point - and Aisha's protests against such an idea has continued to prove enigmatic for you guys to this very moment!

Let me remind you again of the questions (just in case you had tried to dribble round it earlier):

~ Did God ever reveal Himself to Muhammad?
(that is, did Muhammad ever see God at any time?)

~ Did God ever speak directly to Muhammad?



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Now, auwal87, after you've gone through my answers, you can contact babs787 for consolation and another pat on the back at your no-brainer queries. When you've finished sobbing, wash your face with zam-zam water and do me the favour of answering my questions as above, you hear? [/quote]