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@babs787,

babs787:
@pilgrim.1

Are you still looking for the verses from your bible ? Common enough of your deceit, your bible never and will never tell you anything on that.

I ahve my answers ready - and I have often said that I give Muslims time enough to fool themsleves and tell as much LIES as may please them. When you don belleful, you will read my answers.

babs787:
Here her again o. I am tired of this your maradona style . So because God did not refer to Muhammad as the comforter, he couldnt have been that comforter.

You guys claim that Muhammad was the Comforter. I only asked you to show me where Allah referred to Muhammad as such.

If Allah did not refer to Muhammad as such, WHY are you LYING for Allah and putting words in his mouth to make him say what he did not say? Is LYINg for Allah the best thing you guys can do to cover up the deceit of Muhammad's claims?

babs787:
You can see that you are the one deflecting thread but I will follow suit. Now, since you are ascribing the word to holy spirit, please has holy spirit be in existence or not? Just only that. Thanks

I have dealt with that same question. To neatly allow this thread to flow in its own topic, please go to the relevant thread.

You know how not to deflect topics in thread, but you were first to bring up the issue of Crucifixion here when the subject was on whether those PICTURES were real. See how you like to act the retard you are?

Babs, please where is the answer to my simple question that the Qur'an came to "correct" the Bible?

I want the verse from the Qur'an.

Cheers.

@babs787,

babs787:
@dafidixone

What God are you referring to? Is that of OT or NT because they are different from each and if you think that Jesus happened to be God of the OT too, then I will serve you contrdicting verses showing that Jesus can never be God of the OT and that the are very different from each other. If you still think that Jesus happens to be your God, then I will serve you verses where some things were impossible for him from your BIBLE!!

Are you not the samne slicker who said that THE SAME God sent the prophets of the OT and Muhammad? Are you so confused that you don't know where to stand?

@mdsocks,

mdsocks:
Why would the Coming Jesus follow Islam which was well laid by muhammad?

Jesus Christ is not coming to follow Islam - that was another tale told by Muhammad, and there's no coherent reason he gave for that except to spout his hatred towards Jews and Christians.

If you have any other reason, please share with us and let's dry-clean you presently on that!

@mdsocks,

mdsocks:
You want to start again?

What as politics got to do with religion?

Ask the Muslim leaders who often see politics as the spine of their Islamic drivel in the Middle East.

mdsocks:
So all the coups that happen all over the world is now perpetrated by muslims? abi

Is that what she said at all?

mdsocks:
If you want to discuss politics, there's a section for that
atleast you are an old member of nairaland.

What's your phobia about what she mentioned here?

mdsocks:
Sorry my dear leilah is not changing anything, she just needs help and we have helped out

Good to know. At least, nwando referenced her direct quote. Here again:

thanks pilgrim thats really interesting. I myself married a catholic man. I was born muslim but left islam about four years ago after an abusive aranged marriage by an imaam. I do believe but I just don't practice and I feel like I just do not have the faith I used to have

Cough. .  cough! We have also helped out as to the FACT that Muslims will stop at notjing when it comes to LYING for 'Allah'!

mdsocks:
It will do you good if you can work and change those wanky bastard.

We hear. The real 'peaceful' Islam is juicing out your true humanity!

@mdsocks,

mdsocks:
Nobody is claiming that any prophet is above the other.

Please rewind and ask olabowale and other footsoldiers of 'Allah' what they have been noising abroad by referring to Muhammad as the noblest of ALL the prophets! Meanwhile, even Muhammad himself confessed that he was NOT better than Jonas! You don forget?

mdsocks:
All are equal and each has his own destined work on earth.

Really? Is that why Muslims will feel insulted when a doll is named after a boy by the name of 'Mohammad', but no Muslim will feel offended when the Name of Jesus is castigated - even by Muslims themselves?

@babs787,

Please, no vex O. . .    I know you did not address me; but let me make a few comments in your rejoinder to Kobojunkie.

babs787:
@kobojunkie

Can I have reason why he happened to be the only one for that job?

Did Islam suggest any other person apart from Him?

babs787:
Can I also have the story of anti-christ from your bible and how Jesus will kill anti-christ.

Hehehe. . . so with all your arrogance of Bible study and being a former 'Christian', you have forgotten the Biblical exegesis on that one and now begging to be taught yet again!  I hear.

babs787:
I still need that please or you supply me same here.

Stop pretending to pinch your navel. Go to the Bibel and produce your worst nightmare on the subject. Christians do not wait for Muslims to bring anything out of the untuchable Qur'an and fabricated Hadiths. We go directly nto your holy writs and bring out the issues you have been hiding in pretended scholarship as if nobody would check them out!


Babs787, please no vex again O. . . abeg, I dey wait for your LIE that the Qur'an came to CORRECT the Bible!  WHERE did 'Allah' or Muhammad give you that assignment to come in a public Forum and LIE like that, when as a matter of FACT, the Qur'an confesses that it came to CONFIRM the Biblical scriptures?

@babs787,

babs787:
@pilgrim

It is quite shameful that you couldnt provide answers to my questions on Jesus dying for your sins.

Unfortunately, I don't entertain fools who keep recycling already dealt with questions. That same issue has been dealt with over and over again on Nairaland, and the last time I checked, you were drooling at it until you ran out of questions and had to bellow out that it is never your turn to answer questions.

That was why I answered some other questions and simnce you have made it your fool's castle to never address issues yourself, I refused to entertain your comedies until you wake up from your Islamic deceit and self-confessed illiteracy. You have no right to keep demanding that people answer your questions when you don't ever seek to discuss rationally with others - this is a public Forum.

babs787:
It seems you don't post lenghty rejoinder like you used to, it shows that you are running out of point and your fraud is beginning to overtake you.

Daft! The reason why I don't post lengthy rejoinders to your drivels is because I have dealth with a whole lot of your nightmares. That is why I used to take you and olabowale to new threads and thoroghly bleache you guys until ther is nothing left of your antic madrassa scholarship. FYI, I don't recycle products and I don't plagiarize Naik Zakir and LIE that it is my post as you used to. That is why you disappeared for a while when you could not find anything to plagiarize from those illiterate errand boys. . . because my queries left you searching for a long time.

I am still waiting for your LIE as to where Allah told you that the Qur'an came to correct the Bible!

babs787:
I knew that you would misfired. Is this all you have to say? Common, you have been preaching that Jesus is the way, the saviour and one should accept him and my God asked you to provide your proof if you think that Muslims will not gain paradise and that it is you christians that will gain paradise

I did not misfire - and when you upgrade from your retard scholarship, more will come. I have told you already, you have no right to demand that people answer your rewcycled questions when this is a public Forum. What did you do with the simple questions I asked you about the verses you requested for the prophecies on Crucifixion?

babs787:
Ok we do and do serve me the sayings of prophets that muslims have been denying.

I already served them - and repeated them 3 TIMES!! Moses, Isaiah and Jeremiah are OT prophets who knew God as FATHER! I am waiting for your usual Islamic denials.

babs787:
Let me have the direct sayings of the prophets and not words of historians, letters of udentified people etc.

Go there and deal with the verses directly quoted from Moses, Isaiah and Jeremiah.

@babs787,

I remember you ahve asked me what my thoughts on the Jinn are; and my response was that I will post them subsequently. . . just in the meantime, allowing you time enough to edit the assumptions you made that have no balanced appraisal in reverred sources of Islamic jurisprudence. Before you ask me what they are, please carefully go through your replies again.

For now, let me briefly make an observation:

babs787:
@pilgrim.1

I know that pilgrim will soon surface with her biblical explanation of what demon/jinn is?We are now seeing it clearly that their bible told them nothing just like Jesus that came and didnt tell them everything but told them that he would go so that the comforter would come, the comforter came telling them what their bible kept mute on, yet they refused accepting the truth. You can imagine a person asking me how does jinn perform ablution!! A formal practising muslim for that matter

If you were referring to Muhammad as the Comforter, my simple request is this:

Please quote me the verse from the Qur'an where ALLAH ever referred to Muhammad as "the Comforter". Just the verse will do - no drama please.

Thank you.

lawyer:
@pilgrim

You this girl! E don show say you wan marry me. I don leave you de go my own jeje and you still de follow me. For your information i no get money and i no hear english reach you, i never enter aeroplane before and worst still, i be catholic. How we go come do am now?

See this guy? Why you dey tell everybody our plans? You no dey fit hold body until the invitation don ready?

All those highlighted parts na im I dey look for. No ask me why. . . when we match down the altar, you go sabi the reason!

olabowale:
@Pilgrim.1: Sometimes, I wonder if my Princess think that she is holding court, or classes here? Directing traffic, when I am driving a Koenigsegg on the autobahn! Aburo. pele pele dowo e. lol. I will respond sometime later.

I hear. Make I take a break. I will see ya whenever I see you.

Shallom.

@olabowale,

olabowale:
@Kokojunkie: I know the Mormon well. I have connection in Nevada. The same weak statement you are using about their Bible failed with me 10 years ago. Here is the answer: The Mormon Bible did not bring anything new. Even the name is the same with the Pure Protestants and/or the father Catholic! It is called a Bible. The Principal person is still the same: Jesus. There is still the 3 in 1 deal.

This oldman makes me laugh!

Oga, please go sidon for one corner. Whoever you have in Nevada is deceiving you - and you fell for it, kom-kom!!

The Mormon Bible is NOT a Bible at all - it is a spurious production of Joseph Smith who denied so many teachings of Biblical Christianity and arrived at his demonic cultic assertion that Mormons are "gods" who will gradually attain to the power and position of God Almighty Himself!

You don't know a dot about the Mormon Bible, and what you are saying is another characteristic empty boast from your backyard!

Meanwhile, Neveda (the 'Silver State' - although close to Utah) is a weak location for Mormon authentic teaching. Go to Utah itself, you go see wetin go beat your senses dull! Yeye boaster! Neveda koo, Never-die nii!

olabowale:
The Mormon can not have a different litmus that their father/mother, the catholic and the protestant. You got to see what everyone is doing to Mick Romney; The other Christians are claiming that he is not a Christian. Some people are not going to vote for him, anyway, because they consider Mormon but a cult. But they call themselves Christians.

And what is wrong with clearly telling him to his face that he is in a cult - seeing that Mormonism denies Biblical Christianity and teaches that Mormons are also going to be GODS like Almighty God?

What about you and your adulator (stranger26) who were foaming in the mouth recently to flush SUFISTS - abi Sufi Muslims are not Muslims again?

olabowale:
However, if you call any Muslim a Christian, we consider it a sign of weak faith in us.

Una no get faith before - go ask the Muslims who are trying to smuggle Muhammad into the Bible without success! Is that not telling enough?

olabowale:
We will be insulted, saddened and unhappy. If you say to any Muslim that he is a disbeliever in the death and resurrection, he will be happy. You have made his day.

Okay, I hear. But it was Muhammad who pronounced in his Qur'an that anyone who disbelieves in life after death is an unbeliever. not so? Now I understand why a Muslim rejoices over being told that he does not believe in death and resurrection - probably because in Islam, it is a fact that Allah has no such prospect for you!

olabowale:
All of these, disqualifies the Mormon book/a Bible to be a corrector of Qur'an.

Make una dey disqualify una selves well-well. As for me, I go come back to bleach the LIE that the Qur'an was sent to "correct" the Bible!

olabowale:
Finally, there is no place in the Bible, OT and/NT that it is declared that there will not be any prophet to come.

Does that therefore leave a gap in the doorway for Muhammad to be smuggled into the Bible?

olabowale:
The reverse is the case. And indeed the NT call this Prophet Counselor/ Comforter.

Okay, time up! Please again O. . . I dey ask for the umpteenth time:

WHERE in the Qur'an or hadth was Muhammad ever called "the Comforter".

Please no frantic drama - just quote the verses. Thank you.

olabowale:
Muhammad is a perfect match based on the description and the job Title.

Muhammad was a failure when we tried to outline the Job description.

olabowale:
Finally, Qur'an says never will there be a Prophet and or a Messenger after the noblest of the nobles. Allahu Akbar. Yaa Rabbi Haqq!

Indeed, the Qur'an was Muhammad's mind assuming things for himself without warrant!

@olabowale,

olabowale:
What is going on is that the Bible is inconsistent. It is because of the fact that your most ancient relied upon manuscript, is many centuries after the fact. And the Bible is based on Greek materials as if any of the Biblical Prophets from hedean islands/Greece.

I will not be taking issues with you at this level, because you are not seeking to deliberately lie as do other Muslims. Your problem is that you assume so many things without carefully checking your assertions. Since they are merely assumptions, then I can discuss with your in a patient manner. . . until you invite something else.

First, we have to understand that just because Greek was a language spoken by the disciples, it does not therefore presuppose that they were from Greece! Quite to the contrary. However, we should understand that Greek was spoken by far so many people than people in Greece; and a walk through history will help clarify this point:

[list]
For centuries, the Greek language had existed in multiple dialects. As Greeks under Alexander the Great (356–323 BC) colonized from Asia Minor to Egypt to the Indus Valley these dialects were combined to form the Koiné (Κοινή; "common". Imposing a common Greek dialect allowed Alexander's combined army to communicate internally. The language was also learned by the inhabitants of the regions that Alexander conquered, turning Greek into a world language.

The Greek language continued to thrive after Alexander, during the Hellenistic period (323 BC to 31 BC). During this period t[b]he Septuagint, a Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible[/b], appeared.

For many centuries Greek was the lingua franca of the eastern half of the Roman Empire. It was during Roman times that the Greek New Testament appeared, and Koiné Greek is also called "New Testament Greek" after its most famous work of literature.[/list]

Source: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Greek#Hellenistic_Greek_.E2.80.94_Koin.C3.A9)

[list]
The Hellenistic Koine brought significant changes in vocabulary, pronunciation, and grammar, and some of these changes have persisted into Modern Greek. The time of rapid change initiated by Alexander, though, lasted from about 300 BCE to 300 CE. The histories of Polybius, the discourses of Epictetus, and the Christian New Testament all date from this period and are good representatives of the Koine.
[/list]

Source: (http://www.greek-language.com/historyofgreek/)

The point in all this is that Greek was not localized just in "Greece", but was indeed a language that was widely spoken by many people beyond the borders of Greece.

Secondly, you should please see that the whole Biblical documents were not just in Greek, but also in Hebrew and Aramaic (especially the Old Testament).

olabowale:
The revelations were revealed in Aramaic/Hebrew.

Which is which? I'll need to understand you so that I don't pressume things that you did not intend to say.

olabowale:
These are non European languages, but semitic. Very similar to Arabic. The revisions, editions and versions and of course the initial activities of the pens changed what the prophets left in order to fit the agenda of the privileged class and the role of one name writers and of course Saul/Paul are links of the total process of the corruption.

To be fair, if you only drop your biased hatred for Paul, you will see how wrong you are, and how hugely you have been misinformed.

First, it was not Paul who wrote the verses I quoted from the OT prophets who referred to God as FATHER! Please go and check out the facts.

Second, Paul was not the originator of Christianity, neither did he write the Gospels, nor did he write Isaiah 9:6 that clearly states that the Messiah would be called the MIGHTY God!

If these are FACTS already existed long before any scribe thought to scribble anything in any copy, why accuse Paul for what you cannot pinpoint at all? Why do Muslims blindly hate Paul for accusations which have no evidence but based on their prejudices?

@olabowale,

olabowale:
@Pilgrim.1: : If the present Bible's recording of all the Biblical Prophets, calling God Father, supposedly, is your litmus against Muhammad (as), then why would the same Bible not record Adam calling God father, and Noah calling God father and Ibrahim calling God father, indeed all Biblical Prophets calling God father?

First, that is not the litmus test for Muhammad. I only presented that as a small point of reference to babs787 to clam his arrogant nerves of boldly LYING for 'Allah'. If he is humble enough to seek a good dialogue, he will find pleasant occasions for helpful exchanges, and not his usual Islamic exculpations that has become his second nature!

Second, the Biblical prophets are not programmed robots who endlessly repeat the same thing over and over again. They spoke as they were inspired by the Spirit of God - and what they called God was what I offered in my post.

Third, your query about Adam and Noah is an Islamic thing that you're seeking to drive into the Jewish scriptures. The Bible does not represent Adam as a prophet; and Noah was not a writing prophet either. The idea of Muhammad referring to Adam as a "prophet" was a fabrication - and if I ask you to substantiate Adam's prophecies, you will have nothing to show for it!

Fourth, the FACT that the Biblical prophets knew God as FATHER was the reason why I made a selection of those prophets were far apart in TIME and CIRCUMSTANCES! t is interesting to see just HOW these prophets demonstrate the divine FATHERHOOD of God:

~ Moses expresses it in his remonstrance of Israel

~ Isaiah confesses it in his supplication to God

~ God speaks through Jeremiah that He wishes us to call Him our "FATHER"

In various ages and circumstances, God's desire has been that we may know Him for who He is - He is Our FATHER! And that is why when Jesus came and taught us how to pray, His first words in addressing God were: "Our Father who art in heaven!"

Fifth, I deliberately chose the OT verses to show that even before Christianity was established, the Jewish prophets already knew God as FATHER! It is interesting that while the default Muslim claim is that the Torah and Injil are LOST, the truth is that the same Torah has existed all through the ages with exactly the same words quoted in those verses where God is known as FATHER! There was not a single time when those words were never in the Torah!

That is why I would like any Muslim who is intelligent enough, to rather show us WHEN in HISTORY the Torah vanished completely from existence! You cannot make such a rascal claim simply because an illiterate Muslim 'scholar' LIED that it happened, and then you want us to throw our thinking faculties away and just believe such an hideous LIE!!

More than this, we should also remember that the Qur'an never claimed to have been given to "correct" the Bible - that is another ugly and shameless LIE!! If Muslims who make such dubious statement will have a bit of shame and stop lying for 'Allah', they should simply acknowledge that the Qur'an claims to have come to CONFIRM what was contained in the Biblical scriptures!!

My dear olabowale, I am not a scholar; but I knew enough while I was a Muslim to be able to bleach the hideous lies of any Muslim who attempts to cheat the public by such propaganda!

If Muhammad actually came to confirm what was in the Torah and the OT prophets, then my small question was this:

Did Muhammad ever refer to 'Allah' as FATHER - just as the prophets called God FATHER??

If he did not, what then can you offer to reconcile the LIES that Muhammad declared in the Qur'an when he postulated that the Qur'an was given to "confirm" the Biblical scriptures when we know for a fact that he was actually denying them and also lying against them?

I'm sorry if my strong language rattles your nerves. But I'm sick to the back teeth with such shameless lies that have been paraded by such shameless Muslims for far too long - and they have the temerity to DEMAND that Christians answer their stupid questions when they have a sick conscience against simple truth!!

If Muslims want to discuss anything with Christians, they should hold two simple things close to their chest:

(a) a heart for truth without pretentious motives

(b) respect for fellow discussants without demanding anything (such as "oya, answer my question. . . and when you finish, more will follow".

Ater entertaining such illiterate attitudes for far too long, I think it is about time that I put a stop to such stupidity and bleach those self-applauded no-brainers by stating the FACTS straight out of the Qur'an! I am still waiting for where 'Allah' ever LIED to such Muslims that the Qur'an came to "correct" the Bible!! What a shameless LIE!

Hi @longman83,

Thanks for addressing that questions and the warm thoughts in yours.

@olabowale,

olabowale:
@Pilgrim.1: Princess, am sorry to say, you don't ask thought provoking question! Is not Allah tabaraka Watahallah that controls the hearts of mankind, kings included?

If it was a matter of the etymology of the word 'Allah' as appellation of the Deity who is worshipped by men, then I would say that not everyone who calls the name "ALLAH" is referring to the Muslim deity.

That said, we know that the Muslim deity which Muhammad preached has no control over anybody - and certainly not over me! He has no power to save, deliver or heal - Muhammad only stole the Biblical narratives of the MIRACLES in the Bible and added his own tales to them! Muslims who claim that Muhammad performed any miracles, should understand that even 'ALLAH' in his Qur'an is completely UNAWARE that such a thing ever happened - and yet he is said to be ALL-knowing!!

olabowale:
Allah makes His righteous slaves shun all that will make them sin against their own souls.

Oh, really? Let me remind you: the same Islamic 'Allah' has not yet made his slaves in Islam to shun the idolatry or building mosques over the graves and tombs of Islamic persons! Nor has that 'allah' made his slaves in Islam to stop the indiscrimate killing and waiting to be rewarded with more sex with 72 virgins in Jannah! If the slaves of 'Allah' was observing how Muhammad's companions were committing coitus interruptus while Muhammad went about his adventures, then the same Muhammad adjudged that there was no blame to them - to these people who were indiscriminately committing fornication so lewdly! "Righteous slaves" indeed.

olabowale:
Moreso, this is the day of Judgement.

You wan take style arrive at the Fire before Muhammad wake up?

olabowale:
Jesus never said to anyone to worship him and or worship his mother, when he was on earth! Do you have a verse like that in the Bible, where Jesus said, worship me, indeed am the object to you, worthy of worship? Bring it out! Then inshaAllah I will trash it for you!

Please read the Bible carefully before you spew your gutters. I have challenged you guys so many times to go read the Bible instead of seeking some verses out of context with which to attack Christianity!

Oh yes, I have several verses that meet your request. But as sson as you deny them again and rubbish your scholarship, I will gladly serve them. . . after bleaching you, of course!

olabowale:
If Jesus did not say that on earth, you think he will say it before his Lord and Cherisher? Never!

Oh come on! So many Muslims attack the God of the OT so conveniently and yet come back to claim that the same OT God sent Muhammad as a prophet whose name could be found in Deuteronomy without evidence! That being so, let such Muslims understand that the same OT God will judge Muhammad. . . and for those who ridicule Jesus Christ by slyly castigating Him as the merciless God of the OT, Muhammad will stand before Jesus Christ to be judged! You bet it will happen exactly like that!

olabowale:
God Almighty Sultan lilarsh, guides his tongue.

Excuse me? If God Almighty guides his tongue, was that the reason why Muhammad coughed and cold not pronounce the Name of Jesus Christ once during his prayers?

Please come again and deny the fact O. . . so that I will walk you through Islam 401!!

olabowale:
This is the power of the Irristible!

Abeg make I hear word! Islam has no power to bless no soul - I knew the difference after I became a Christian.

olabowale:
This action is to shame the Christians who will be herded like cattle into Hellfire!

Sorry, no Christian is shamed - and no threat from 'Allah' in Islam is going to shake any Christian! You should be praying fervently to the true God who saves and loves people so that the Islamic 'Allah' will not send your soul to Hell.

Please stop embarrassing yourself any further on this issue and pretending not to know the FACT that Muslims will ENTER Hell Fire. . . even though Muhammad said they will be brought out of the Fire. You wan LIE again? Soon, my dear. . . soon. I go wait a bit more before I show you what Muhammad claimed for you as a Muslim - and whether you like it or not, no AL-Harm-dudu-LIE will change the FACTS that you as a Muslim will first enter amnd roast before hoping to come out of hell (that is, if you will survive the flames!).

olabowale:
Thats what you need to open your heart to avoid.

Thank you - I already opened my heart and Jesus saved me - years ago!

olabowale:
Ask your Creator to guide your soul to a path that is straight and leads to success.

He has done that for me - so blessedly! And who is the WAY? Jesus Christ is the WAY the Truth and the Life!

olabowale:
The key to paradise is Laa ilaha ilallah, and for our generation, we have to add Muhammadanr Rasulullah (as)! Anything different is in fire of Hell!

The Key to Hell fire is "Laa ilaha ilallah" - and for the generation of those who LIE, simply add these two chants:

(a) LIE-e-LIE, Ila-LIE, Muhammadanr was suru LIE!

(b) Al-Harm-dudu-LIE!!

There - just try chanting that and you will see a black harvester of souls behind you, gbam!

Meanwhile, the key to paradise is FAITH in the redemption which God Almighty has provided - which ALL the Biblical prophets spoke about - although Muhammad denied it one and all!!

Receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour, and your life will be so blessed you will ask what took you so long!

@olabowale,

olabowale:
Sometime you do not see beyond your own nose, Princess Pilgrim.1! And Africans do not have long noses like Pinocchio. This means that you do not see anything far from an inch or so from your face.

Another story again! Kai. . . this morning, my ear go full with yada-yada!

olabowale:
Who did Allah give the revelation to among men? That person is the authority, because he receives what is known as Wahi from Allah!

Hehehe. . .  Are you playing tennis here after your bloviate that Muhammad is the TRUE authority in Islam? Whatever happened to the TRUE authority himself who is supposed to be Allah?

In Islam, my dear, all human leaders are subordinate - there is no such concept as any man being the "true authority" except 'Allah'. Go figure and let me see where you ever came across knowledgeable Muslims referring to any MAN as THE TRUE authority in Islam!

Besides, the main point why I kept quiet all this while about the one who is the Lord of Islam is because I wanted it to come from the mouth of a Muslim. And predictably, you guys gradually went that road and uttered it without my having prompted you to do so.

Don't cry just now. . . I would be holding that confession as a reference point when I need to scold some rascal Muslims back to the LYING holes!

olabowale:
I can see why you flunked preIslam, which should have qualified you for Islam 101!

Actually, I flunked pre-Islam. Want to know why? My teacher was daft and he was a confirmed womanizer. No jokes. The hypocrit would sit so sanctimoniously as he recited his mantra and assumed a holy poise. But as soon as the holy lessons were over, he had some undisclosed business with women who were not his wives. . . until he was caught red-handed several months later.

Don't blame me for not enrolling in another class - because from that point, stubborn as I was, I refused to be deceived by any mullah, Ulema or Imam.

olabowale:
lol. Moses was the authority on behalf of God on Taurah. David was for Sabuur. Jesus son of Mary was for Injiil (Which we do not have, even though it was reported that he preached it about the places he went!) and Muhammad was for Qur'an.

This is where your rejoinder gets cheesy!

At first, you boldly asserted that Muhammad was THE TRUE authority in Islam; but now you're coming forth to change it to the authority for Qur'an!

Any more lies for 'Allah'?

You should understand that in Islam, the "true authority" was regarded as 'Allah' - no man assumed that position. Leaders, yes. Apostles, yes. Slaves, yes. BUT "true authority"? NO and NO - for that was alone for your 'Allah'. Unless you want Muhammad to assume the role of 'Allah', then I can see why your nose is too short a distance for you to see!

Meanwhile, to assume that Muhammad is the TRUE authority in ISLAM really betrays the Muslim propaganda of what Islam actually is. Islam is simply the invention of Muhammad - and that already wipes out the LIE that Islam started with Adam and then down through Abraham (with the idol house, the KAABA). Puh-leeeeeaaaassee!!

If Islam began with Adam, who was the true authority of Islam then?  Was it still Muhammad, who was a late comer and yet knew nothing about the Biblical prophets whom he pretended to have believed in?

olabowale:
The Book of Islam is the Qur'an, while hadith is explanation of Qur'an.

I hear. That again is another reference point I will hold unto when some rascal errand boys of Islam start misbehaving.

olabowale:
Whats your Problem? Man you bore me.

Uh-oh!!   I have no problem at all! I only asked you to keep the 100,000 names of the prophets and give me the names of the remaining 24,000!! Shikena! Abi them don travel by night journer to space suddenly?

olabowale:
maybe this is your gimmick with the Blind Christians that you are doing some work.

I have no gimmicks - rather, I state FACTS. And it is a FACT that the Qur'an says that Christians are "devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant" - go and read it in Sura 5 v 82!!

olabowale:
It is very flat with me! The taste is gone. Like a glass of soft drink that have been left in the open for days. It will just look it, but does not taste it; watered down!

Thank you for letting me that the taste of Islam is GONE!! Al-HARM-dudu LIE!!

@olabowale,

olabowale:
Iwo Pilgrim.1, shakara e poo! O du ni. Oje meme! You take me back ages! I need this. You do not speak truth when it comes to religion. You just through things out there to razzle dazzle the poor Christians , who are blind to see that you speak emptiness! Only desert wind you blow! Nothing you said makes any sense! Is Olorun God? Is Yahwah God? Is Chineke God? etc, etc?

You just got up this hour of day to busy yourself forcefully with some noise, abi wetin happen to you?

If you can't understand what I'm saying, it doesn't mean that others do not comprehend. The only inference therefore would be that you have such a struggle grasping simple statements that one may hope you need an upgrade in a night school.

Christians are not blind - even your Qur'an in Sura 5 v 82 says that Christians are "devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant!"

If at all I speak emptiness, why have you found it such an impossible task to dialogue with me and walk me through the subjects we discuss in order to clearly enunciate FACTS as I have always done? One thing you will not find in my posts are the sort of 'stories' that you employ to circumvent an issue in other to argue away from the main concerns.

One example of your arguing away from the present concern is your intonation of Chineke, 'Yahwah', Olorun, etc. Where did I start to discuss such issues with you, olabowale? Or is that another lame attempt to scuttle away from the present discussion with another Al-harm-dudu-LIE?

Please uncle. . . e ro ra! It is early morning where I am at the moment. I look forward to another very busy schedule, and your stories and whinging are the least of interest on my plate for now.

Cherio.

@SysUser,

SysUser:
Pilgrim.1, PRAISE THE LORD GOD ALMIGTHY, I HAD NO IDEA YOU WERE ONCE A MUSLIM,
Please gist me when did you leave the kingdom of darkness, for the kingdom of light .

Your conversion to a Christian explains a lot about you knowledg of the quran,


PRAISE GOD FOR YOU

One of these days I'll give you more gist about my conversion. I really must rush away to work now (I manage two jobs).

All the same, I am so full of praise to God Almighty who mercifully forgave me and cleanesed me from my sins! Especially because in my stupidity as a Muslim, I had insulted and ridicled the name of Jesus Christ! Yet, not only did God forgive me my great evil, He also gave me the gift of eternal life and the assurance of the Holy Spirit! The day I became born again, I could hardly believe the reality that Jesus makes in the life of those who believe in Him as the Bible teaches by simple faith.

Praise Him forever and ever!! Amen!!

olabowale,

olabowale:
@Pilgrim.1: Do you speak Arabic? No! Until then, and we are not talking about the street of any Arab society Arabic, but Fussat, the pure Qur'anic Arabic, that the Arab Christian is using to measure their Bible, then talk to me. Until then, my dear, Shhhhhh! You have no intelligence and your heart has not matured enough to take the wisdom in Qur'an.

I think I have endured your illiterate fancy flight of ideas and allegations; and I should address this one yet once more. I do not claim to be a native speaker of Arabic (neither are you). But the one thing I do know is that I have enough of the Arabic knowledge to check you out and demonstrate your otiose ideas are not worth the dust on Mecca road!

In anycase, you can be sure that you're not worth talking to, as quite often you sound so incoherent that one would have to beg you to take a nap and clear your speech defects.

olabowale:
The verse of Al Maidah that bothers you so much, simply demonstrate Allah's power over Jesus.

I'm not bothered at all by any verse in the Qur'an - whether Muhammad and his companions named them after ants or elephants. The one thing I do know is that the 'Allah' of Muhammad has failed to demonstrate his power and only has to rely on Muhammad's sword while his errand boys like you have now come forth and spilled the beans outa the bag by telling us:

The true authority of Islam was Muhammad!!

That being the case, Muhammad's authority has no effect on me - and there's nothing any Muslim can do about it from his phobias in the Qur'an.

olabowale:
Even though Allah knows that Jesus did not ask anyone to take him as God, like the action of Protestants more than the Catholics and his mother Mary as God/mother of God like the action of the catholic of Rome, your best friend, the Pope being their leader, GOD ALMIGHTY ALLAH puts forward what He will make Jesus do in the day of JUDGEMENT;

Please stop this rascal idiosyncracies and let us hear better things! WHY do you believe the crapolla of Muhammad trying to put words into Allah's mouth when as a matter of fact God never once spoke to Muhammad? WHERE did Muhammad get all those sentences of "Allah will say this and that" from?

Please keep his lyrics to him in the untouchable pages of the Qur'an. It is enough that I have found the true Redeemer and Saviour. Too bad if Muhammad denied the REDEMPTION that all the Biblical prophets spoke about; and yet Muhammad pretended to have believed in those prophets while denying their revelations.

olabowale:
call Jesus out before mankind and ask him that same question. And true to form of a true Prophet/Messenger, Allah will make Jesus deny both the Catholic and Protestant false position they put him.

Why does Allah have to make Jesus "deny" anything? Do you hope to amuse me with this tales of DENYING and DENYINg and yet more DENYING whatever Muhammad was not comfortable with? Muhammad should be lauded as the DENYING prophet - that is the one thing he ever accomplished for Muslims, and that is why you all want to flash those denials in our faces.

I was hoping that babs787 would have simply and reasonably helped us see if Muhammad ever referred to Allah as FATHER - which is precisely what the Biblical prophets called God! But since he is still searching the pages of his Qur'an for the lost answers to Muhammad's Torah and Injil, I should simply take my leave and let you guys play your rascal plays.

olabowale:
Thats what it means.

Oh really? I'm amused for auwal87 who took off as quickly as he signed in. If only he had known that was "what it means", then he would not have been so daft to fake everything and then pretend he no longer understood simple English.

@babs787,

You have always accused me of being an escapist when you have failed to see simply that I'm often away because of my busy schedules. I deliberately had to be late for my appointment just to see how civil you can afford to be. Unfortunately, it turned out that you unceremoniously took to your heels and logged off without a word more.

I'm not a showman like you are. All I wanted was a simple answer to my request: stop LYING for Allah.

That is why I offered you a reference point for us to hold a proper discourse. So, I'll try and repeat the offer again and wait for your confirmation or response whenever you come back. Enjoy the opportunity to launch your rascal slickers when I'm away. But for the present, kindly offer a sound simple answer to either CONFIRM or DENY the fact that Muhammad rejected the revelation of the Biblical prophets as given earlier:

---

Here again are my questions for your confirmation - a simple outline without your frantic drama will be well appreciated.


Now, a few things I find in the revelations of the Biblical prophets that Muhammad both rejected and denied:

(a) Moses referred to God as FATHER:

Deuteronomy 32:6
Do ye thus requite the LORD, O foolish people and unwise?
is not He thy FATHER that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee,
and established thee?

Please show us where Muhammad EVER referred to God as "FATHER" and we may see the simple fact of whether Muhammad actually believed in what the Biblical prophets taught!

(b) Isaiah also referred to God as FATHER:

Isaiah 63:16
Doubtless thou art our FATHER, though Abraham be ignorant of us,
and Israel acknowledge us not: Thou, O LORD, art our FATHER,
our REDEEMER; thy name is from everlasting.

Isaiah 64:8
But now, O LORD, thou art our FATHER; we are the clay,
and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.

Again, please show us where Muhammad EVER referred to God as "FATHER" and we may see the simple fact of whether Muhammad actually believed in what the Biblical prophets taught!

(c) Jeremiah also referred to God as FATHER:

Jeremiah 3:19
But I said, How shall I put thee among the children, and give thee
a pleasant land, a goodly heritage of the hosts of nations?
and I said, Thou shalt call me, My FATHER; and shalt not turn away
from me.

In the above verse, God makes the proclamation that His people should call Him "My FATHER". Yet again, please show us where Muhammad EVER referred to God as "FATHER" and we may see the simple fact of whether Muhammad actually believed in what the Biblical prophets taught!

Or do you want to deny that Moses and Isaiah and Jeremiah were calling God other names and NOT "FATHER"?

Also, are you going to deny that Moses and Isaiah and Jeremiah are part of the Biblical prophets that Muhammad said he believed in their revelation? So, did Muhammad believe in the revelations outlined above where God is known as FATHER?


Wake up and deal with the verses I offered as to God being referred to as FATHER. Did Muhammad confirm that same revelation anywhere in his Qur'an? If no, can you account for the LIES he told and pretended to have believed in them?

If Muhammad was not man enough to tell the truth without being such a hypocrite, I'm so so glad I left Islam for those who still love the deceit they cannot verify from his bloviates. And you're only making matters worse by LYING for Allah.

@olabowale,

olabowale:
The Qur'an itself is the proof.

Just like that? Hehe-haw-haw!! Please, simply let me go and deal with other issues, abeg eh? It is as good as anyone saying that a softsell magazine is "the proof" of serious matters.

olabowale:
But in the todays action among humans, we see the Jews making God a tribal God.

So, you still are not cured of your hatred of the Jews? I feel so sorry for thee indeed!

On the other hand, please be reminded that Muhammad had turned Allah into a tribal deity in the same way that you had accused. His Qur'an must be read in Arabic; and as soon as it is translated into another language, it is no more the word of 'Allah'. Again, Muslims have to pattern their lives after Muhammad's dessert cultural lifestyle - if it suits Muhammad's phobias, fine; if otherwise, there's bound to be doom! What is all this brigand with the Muslim hatred of Jews?

olabowale:
The Christian insist that you must believe in the Blood and all that go with it about Jesus.

Nothing wrong with Christians being passionate of their convictions. It is rogish for Muslims to try to force their own Arabic fallacies into Christian convictions and then pretend that Muhammad was a prophet when his life and testimony clearly contradicts those of the Biblical prophets.

Please, have you yet found me that verse where any Biblical prophet claimed to have a personal devil like Muhammad did?

olabowale:
It is only that that will make you enter paradise/receive salvation.

Just because Muhammad denied the Biblical revelations of REDEMPTION that all the Biblical prophets knew, it does not mean we have to abandon our convictions and flock to Muhammad's party of denying hordes.

olabowale:
So the Jews negate the Christians and the Christians negate the Jews. Alhamdulillah, the Muslims negate both of them and the others.

And after all the "negate" this-and-that by Alham-dudu-lai, what else remains?

You just have no clues, do you? It is not about NEGATING one group or the other, olabowale. The OT are given in both redemptive history and prophetic declarations - and in the NT we find the fulfillment of the same OT prophecies!

What has happened is that Muhammad denied both the prophecies, the redemptive histories, the authentic declarations, . . . and for all that, Muslims are still at each other's throats! When these Muslims slaughter one another, do they remember Muhammad at all? It seems they're more bent on "negating" one another than any concern for the man you referred to as "the true authority of Islam".

olabowale:
And it is in the Qur'an that we should accept the authentic, but not adulterated revealed books of the prophets before Muhammad/Qur'an.

Please, for the umpteenth time, where are those books of the prophets that came before Muhammad? WHERE are their books so we may read for ourselves and not be duped by Muhammad's shakara?

olabowale:
And respect each one of them; 124,000 in total. Where is your confusion?

I don't have any confusion. Just keep the 100,000 and give me the names of the 24,000 prophets! Surely, with such a large number dreamt up magically by Muhammad, we should be able to find reference to Isaiah and Jeremiah, not so?

olabowale:
The fact that Qur'an does not agree and therefore trash the part of the fallacy of the Bible, eg 3 godheads and death on the cross as ransome or honor is enough to proof the superiority and truthfulness of the Qur'an. It is un abashly unapologetic!

Please, keep this illiterate drivel of 1/3 godheads (the mark of illiteracy is to keep repeating the same thing you have been corrected on, and that is the fact that the word Godhead is NOT in the plural!).

At least, whether or not you disagree, we know that Moses, Isaiah, and jeremiah all referred to God as FATHER!! Did Muhammad leave you any "abashly unapologetic" to confirm that his 'Allah' was known as FATHER as well?

olabowale:
Aburo. I do not know how to get you to see the truth. But I will continue to remember you in my prayers. This inShaAllah will undo the do of the 'christian friends,' who put this on you.

I saw the truth that Muhammad's duplicity should not be taken seriously. What helped me see it even more clearly was the FACT that Muslims are never known to tell simple truth even when it stares them full circle in the face!

@olabowale,


Please stop this hide and seek game - it is unfitting for an elderly man like you! I wanted to log out and deal with a few important details in my schedule but had to postpone it and quickly rush replies to yours because I will be away again for long from the Forum.

olabowale:
Yet the Jehovah witness call themselve the correct sect of the Christians. They have a diffrerent Bible. But course the Shia have the opinion that they are the correct sect, but they do not have a diffrerent Qur'an and if they do I will like to see it. I have been around a host of notable Shia, at least in Obodo America. We read the same type Qur'an.

So, wait. . . what are we talking about here:

(a) Jehovah Witnesses?

(b) Shias and Shiites?

What is your confusion now that you're making a kangaroo hop from storyline to storyline that is hardly relevant to the issue at hand?

Anyways, I'm soon off. Enjoy your harrassments at others before I show up again. . . sometime.

Mr slow-witted babs787,

I was waiting for your reply to either CONFIRM or else DENY that Muhammad never truly believed in the revelations of the Biblical prophets. Here again are my questions for your confirmation - a simple outline without your frantic drama will be well appreciated:

---

@babs787,

Now, a few things I find in the revelations of the Biblical prophets that Muhammad both rejected and denied:

(a) Moses referred to God as FATHER:

Deuteronomy 32:6
Do ye thus requite the LORD, O foolish people and unwise?
is not He thy FATHER that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee,
and established thee?

Please show us where Muhammad EVER referred to God as "FATHER" and we may see the simple fact of whether Muhammad actually believed in what the Biblical prophets taught!

(b) Isaiah also referred to God as FATHER:

Isaiah 63:16
Doubtless thou art our FATHER, though Abraham be ignorant of us,
and Israel acknowledge us not: Thou, O LORD, art our FATHER,
our REDEEMER; thy name is from everlasting.

Isaiah 64:8
But now, O LORD, thou art our FATHER; we are the clay,
and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.

Again, please show us where Muhammad EVER referred to God as "FATHER" and we may see the simple fact of whether Muhammad actually believed in what the Biblical prophets taught!

(c) Jeremiah also referred to God as FATHER:

Jeremiah 3:19
But I said, How shall I put thee among the children, and give thee
a pleasant land, a goodly heritage of the hosts of nations?
and I said, Thou shalt call me, My FATHER; and shalt not turn away
from me.

In the above verse, God makes the proclamation that His people should call Him "My FATHER". Yet again, please show us where Muhammad EVER referred to God as "FATHER" and we may see the simple fact of whether Muhammad actually believed in what the Biblical prophets taught!

Or do you want to deny that Moses and Isaiah and Jeremiah were calling God other names and NOT "FATHER"?

Also, are you going to deny that Moses and Isaiah and Jeremiah are part of the Biblical prophets that Muhammad said he believed in their revelation? So, did Muhammad believe in the revelations outlined above where God is known as FATHER?


Wake up and deal with the verses I offered as to God being referred to as FATHER. Did Muhammad confirm that same revelation anywhere in his Qur'an? If no, can you account for the LIES he told and pretended to have believed in them?

If Muhammad was not man enough to tell the truth without being such a hypocrite, I'm so so glad I left Islam for those who still love the deceit they cannot verify from his bloviates. And you're only making matters worse by LYING for Allah.

SysUser:
@olabowale once again you have shown yourself to be very good at deflecting and side stepping the truth. . .

Once again you have smartly avoided the real issue at hand and use perverted logic to answer a question without actually answering it

I said it: they are artful dodgers. That is why I no longer entertain their games of "answer my questions" in as much as Muslims will never give you an answer to simple questions.

olabowale:
The true authority in Islam was Muhammad and there was no honor Killing by him.

Hahahaha!! 

Dear Olas-bobo-wale!! Hahaha!! I can't believe you are the first to confirm what I have been saving to tell Muslims.

Anyway, the cat is out already, thank you. I can only bellow after you:

             The true authority in Islam was Muhammad!!

So, why have you Muslims been pretending all this while that Allah is your authority?? 


Make una see drama now as he go vroom here to deny his statement!! Muslims-Muslims. . . una dey try O!!

@babs787,

babs787:
@pilgrim.1

what did they receive from God that he denied? It seems that you don't post garbage like you used to. Hope you are not running out of point?

Lol. . . it's true that I don't post garbage - never have done that, and never will. Only illitrates pretend to have been reading garbage in my posts and rejoinders.

Now, a few things I find in the revelations of the Biblical prophets that Muhammad both rejected and denied:

(a) Moses referred to God as FATHER:

Deuteronomy 32:6
Do ye thus requite the LORD, O foolish people and unwise?
is not He thy FATHER that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee,
and established thee?

Please show us where Muhammad EVER referred to God as "FATHER" and we may see the simple fact of whether Muhammad actually believed in what the Biblical prophets taught!

(b) Isaiah also referred to God as FATHER:

Isaiah 63:16
Doubtless thou art our FATHER, though Abraham be ignorant of us,
and Israel acknowledge us not: Thou, O LORD, art our FATHER,
our REDEEMER; thy name is from everlasting.

Isaiah 64:8
But now, O LORD, thou art our FATHER; we are the clay,
and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.

Again, please show us where Muhammad EVER referred to God as "FATHER" and we may see the simple fact of whether Muhammad actually believed in what the Biblical prophets taught!

(c) Jeremiah also referred to God as FATHER:

Jeremiah 3:19
But I said, How shall I put thee among the children, and give thee
a pleasant land, a goodly heritage of the hosts of nations?
and I said, Thou shalt call me, My FATHER; and shalt not turn away
from me.

In the above verse, God makes the proclamation that His people should call Him "My FATHER". Yet again, please show us where Muhammad EVER referred to God as "FATHER" and we may see the simple fact of whether Muhammad actually believed in what the Biblical prophets taught!

Or do you want to deny that Moses and Isaiah and Jeremiah were calling God other names and NOT "FATHER"?

Also, are you going to deny that Moses and Isaiah and Jeremiah are part of the Biblical prophets that Muhammad said he believed in their revelation? So, did Muhammad believe in the revelations outlined above where God is known as FATHER?

babs787:
You are still here demanding for revelations when you have been served contradictions from the inspired book of God, missing verses, later insertions etc.

I hear . . so you have now acknowledged that there are 'contradictions' in the "inspired boo of God", abi? Didn't Allah in the Qur'an claim that he was the one who inpired those books you now call "the inspired books of God" and then ridicule them so nonchanllantly because your illietracy is at work?

Your Allah must be so confused about your scholarship when he reads your allegations. Please let us know when you deny to Allah's face that he did not reveal those books! Then we can see how hypocritical Muslims are and will do anything to deny their own Qur'an.

babs787:
I even gave you list of unfulfilled prophecies attributed to Jesus.

Oh yeah? Did Muhammad not claim as a prophecy as well that Jesus will SOON descend among Muslims? How soon is Muhammad's "SOON" - after 15 centuries?

babs787:
Lastly, we all know that God gave Moses and Jesus revelation, do we say

1. God gave moses the Pentateuch?

You simply a dunce. Go find out the meaning of Pentateuch and Torah and then come back let's sort out your illiterate confusion.

babs787:
2. Do we say the letters of Paul, third party sayings, etc is part of the revelation given to Jesus
4. Cna you please tell me what the revelation given to Jesus contains?
5. Can you tell me what the revelation given to Moses contains?

Why do you like repating your bloviates as if that alone is a better way to demonstrate that you so dense? Haven't you asked the same otiose questions in another thread and now come here to repeat them after my answers? Yet, you Muslims are fond of crying that SysUser was posting the same article in several threads.

Wake up and deal with the verses I offered as to God being referred to as FATHER. Did Muhammad confirm that same revelation anywhere in his Qur'an? If no, can you account for the LIES he told and pretended to have believed in them?

If Muhammad was not man enough to tell the truth without being such a hypocrit, I'm so so glad I left Islam for those who still love the deceit they cannot verify from his bloviates. And you're only making matters worse by LYING for Allah.

olabowale:
Pilgrim.1: You accuse others, yet you have no foundation for your accusation. But wait a minute, if a man call a kite an airplane, does it still mean it is an airplane, just because its in the air? Hardly. That is the diffrerent between your Bible of today, a mere kite and the revealed books to each Prophets, Moses' taurat, David's Sabuur and Jesus son of Mary's Injiil, all are Airplanes to the shadowy Kites you have in between the two covers of what you call Bible presently.

Please stop whinging like a child. I offered you simple and straugfht forward pointers to discuss issues. If there's nothing you can rationally think of, pack yourself and your bloviates one corner and let me deal with better issues than your tantrums.