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Happy New Year, @Leilah

Leilah:
there is nothing in the quraan that suggest one should have towear burqa its a culture that came about through some hadith and culture that suggested a woman should wear it if she is the cause of fitnah ie so beautiful that it would damage society i will get this citation

Aiight. . . I'll wait for the citation.

Cheers.

@9ja,

[quote author=9ja link=topic=102400.msg1810591#msg1810591 date=1199150676]
D Quran is not a re-write of d bible so not all prophets mentioned in the bible reappear in d quran.[/quote]Nobody has claimed that the Qur'an was a re-write of the Bible. If anything at all, I have said that the claims in the Qur'an where Muhammad purported to have believed in ALL the prophets of the Bible are FALSE! The one thing that this thread is dealing with is the assertion that the Qur'an came to "correct" the Biblical scriptures, rather than actually coming to "confirm" them! That was why I carefully took the time to enunciate the meaning of "confirm" on the first page of this thread before requesting severally that babs787 (or any learned Muslim for that matter) should offer me the verse for the assertion of the Qur'an claiming to have come to "correct" the Biblical scriptures!

So far, that request has proven more than an embarrassment to our Muslim propagandists; and all we have read from them are the verses from the Qur'an that buttress my point that the Qur'an purports to have come to CONFIRM the Biblical scriptures - the very same Biblical scriptures that Muhammad handled in his day! What the Muslim propagandist should tell us is WHEN exactly did they disappear from existence for them to have claimed they were LOST?

[quote author=9ja link=topic=102400.msg1810591#msg1810591 date=1199150676]
Concernin d leanage of ismael-God is d all knowing an d he does whatever pleases him no questions asked.[/quote]If God does whatever pleases Him and "no questions asked", how is it that Muslims are the very ones who break that same tenet and rather begin to ask questions every so often? I just simply want to know why Muslims are never consistent in their claims.

[quote author=9ja link=topic=102400.msg1810591#msg1810591 date=1199150676]
please guys n chicks its a discussion 4rum not argument session,d whole essence is 2 learn n have fun not try 2 diminish religions.
abeg make una manage my english,i 4 write 4 local dialect but this na forum 4 every[/quote]Unfortunately, the posts and rejoinders from Muslims have proven that they are not willing to learn, but rather choose to have fun in their weak efforts to diminish other people's religion. And that is why we often keep quiet. . . until the time comes for us to bleach the rascal assumptions and decorative farce from Muslim propagandists who try to force 'Allah' to say what he never said!

My dear @Nigeria,

I'm sure that davidylan has responded eruditely to your post. However, although I commend the calmness of your persuasions, I should like to add a few things as well to help contextualize our discussion in this thread. Rather than my usual line-by-line response, allow me to just refer to the salient points (so I don't run the risk of repeating davidylan's fine points).

[quote author=Nigeria link=topic=102400.msg1810591#msg1810591 date=1199150676]
THE MESSAGE IS BELIEVE N WORSHIP 0NE (1) GOD[/quote]Even so, is that what the Qur'an came to "correct" - or rather "confirm"?

The one reason why I opened this thread was to request babs787 to proffer a single verse for his assertion that the Qur'an came to "correct" the Biblical scriptures. If there was any verse for that idea, I am still requesting Muslims to kindly post that verse so that we can move on from there! So far, the verses already posted are yet only validating what I have said until I lost count:

The Qur'an came to CONFIRM the Biblical scriptures!

Not in one instance does the Qur'an remotely give the idea that it came to "correct" the scriptures of the Jews and Christians!

[quote author=Nigeria link=topic=102400.msg1810591#msg1810591 date=1199150676]
scrolls of moses n psalms were not reviewed in quran it was mentioned that they both were given scriptures,so personally i don't know where they r right now.[/quote]UNTIL Muslims find those scrolls and the Psalms, it will continue to be a futile argument on their part to castigate the Biblical scriptures.

The easiest thing for most Muslims today is to argue that nobody knows where those same scriptures are. My singular solution to that misconception is that they should realize the Qur'an was referring to the very same Biblical scriptures in Muhammad's day that he said he believed in and reverred!

Sunan AbuDawud, Book 38, Num. 4434:
. . They placed a cushion for the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him)
who sat on it and said: Bring the Torah. It was then brought. He then
withdrew the cushion from beneath him and placed the Torah on it saying:
I believed in thee and in Him Who revealed thee!

The one question I have been asking is this: what Torah did Muhammad claim that he believed in?

That was the same Torah that was in the possession of the Jews during Muhammad's time - and if Muslims are going to be honest, they will find that the same Torah has remained with the Jews until this very day! It was never LOST; and not even babs787 has been able to find the verse(s) where he claimed that the Qur'an stated that it was LOST!

Further, it would interest you to know that the same thing applies to the Zabur (the Psalms of David),  the Injil (the Gospels) and the other Biblical scriptures - none of them was LOST; and those who say that the Qur'an was stating that it (the Torah) was LOST are only lying through their yellow teeth - and they know it!

That was why I titled this thread in a very simple way: WHERE does the Qr'an say so?  If they cannot find those verses for their assertions that "the Qur'an stated" it so, then no volume of story-telling will atone for the fallacy of that statement!

Lol. . .@focused:

focused:
The earth is the lord and the fullness thereof.

Although Muslims use a propaganda to pretend that they believe the statement above, in reality they do not. Wait and you will find out what exactly Islam believes.

davidylan:
is someone drinking hypochlorous acid as water?

I have often wondered if that is the case!

focused:
@Olabowale :

What do you know about Catholics and Protestants?

Is there no differences between Shia, Wahabism and Sunni Muslims ? Which has lead to serious war between the so called Shia and Sunni muslims in the past and presently in a place like Iraq and even in Nigeria? Recently a Shia Muslim was deported and labelled an Infidel in Saudi Arabia, just because he was a shia muslim.

There is a even a problem between the so called Shia and Sunni Muslims in Nigeria, which has lead to one sect attacking the other.

He often forgets the reality on the ground. That is why you need to cure his malady with a few reminders as well.

focused:
I cannot make any sense about what you have just said about Catholics and Protestant.

You will not be able to make any sense from his bloviates. He writes with a default mindset of not making any sense these days!

Lol. . . while the New year celebrations are still going on, let me quickly school up some guys here on their nightmares!

olabowale:
: You tell them Protestants. You use Idols and Mary. Them Protestants use Jesus.

Lol. . . and what do Muslims use - Muhammad and the BLACK STONE that they bow down to and pretend it fell from heaven for Adam and Abraham to build the Kaa'ba with?

Where did 'Allah' command Muhammad to venerate the BLACK STONE, when his own companion clearly said that the idolatry was merely a show off to pagans?

olabowale:
Same darn end product, association with God. The difference is only in name.

Yep, Islam associates Muhammad with 'Allah' - the difference is in your game!

Ask and I will REMIND you of the FACT that Muhammad associated himself with 'Allah' in many instances. He even went so far as to place himself above the commandments of 'Allah'. No pun intended - just come and rascally DENY the facts, and pilgrim.1 will bless your New Year with hard facts from your Qur'an and Hadiths! Trust me!

olabowale:
: Afterall, the Protestants copied their Bible from you. They only eliminated few Books, because of what, no one knows.

Are you still looking for your lost nose-ring? I asked you to simply give me the names of the 24,000 prophets and keep the remaining 100,000 out of a total of 124,000 prophets in Islam! Have you even attempted that assignment at all? And how come with all your noise, we do not find ANY book of those prophets to read in the Qur'an other than Muhammad's tales?

olabowale:
Th Catholic has the original Christianity, the protestant mold it to something else, courtesy of King James, who wanted to get devorce and was refused.

Lol. . . so the "original" Christianity that the Catholics had was the confirmation of the fact that Muhamamd derived his ideas about MARY being worshipped from them and pretended he was receiving revelations from 'Allah', abi? Hahahaha-hehehe!! I am very sorry for you. Please rest your heart and understand that Muhammad closed his eyes to FACTS and told a tale that had no bearing in the Bible. You may accuse from now till Jannah that the Bible is corrupt and all that; no worries. The one thing I ask is that you find me where ANY Christian WORSHIPPED Mary in the Bible!

olabowale:
: They would not do that. They are Protestants, protesting the Catholics.

That's true - Protestants do not worship MARY; and Muhammad's claim that "original" Christianity did so is a false claim.

olabowale:
Tell em. They don't know.

The claim that we do not know is what we are asking Muslims to reveal to us. WHERE did Muhammad get his false assertions from about MARY-worship in "original" Christianity?

olabowale:
While the Protestant was started with Martin Luther and King James.

No worries - at least those same men did NOT worship MARY, just as no Christian in the Bible ever did so!

HAPPY NEW YEAR again O!

Happy New Year. May your 2008 bring you huge blessings!

Hi Nairalanders!

Without much ado, let me be the first to salute you all:

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May 2008 bring the best of all you desire and be a fulfilling year to remember!

And here's to yous (plural of 'you'):

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May 2008 bring you all the best of all you have desired from God - to the glory of His Son, Jesus Christ! Amen!

Wat's gwan here?

See as all of them dey exchange cell number!

@lawyer, you go come meet me for house. Shey na backdoor you sneak escape this time, ba? I dey wait for you! If I see any unsolicited text message for ya phone, henn. . . wahala go scatter again O!

Anyhow, make una enjoy plenty!

Bros. . . and everyone in da house:

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Carlosein:
waiting to see you tonight. (you know now!) okay you can't come i remember.

Abeg make una helep me take care of him (lawyer) O. . . I no wan hear say he stagger fall inside em. . . em. . . you know now!

Before you marry across the divide, share a smile for 2008!

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@olabowale,

olabowale:
@Pilgrim.! : Pue arrogance. Excite yourself to pardition. I think less of your capability. You have not impressed me from the time I noticed you on nairaland. That you think you are more than a greater beginning than just the fusion of your father's sperm with your mother's egg is pure ego trip. There is nothing more for me to say. Remember that my backyard is empty? I will leave you be. There are other people who are not as pompous. I will discuss with them.

You don belleful? Abi you are still frantic like you're unable to find your lost nose-ring! What's all the bloviates for, anyway?

olabowale:
Two east means two directions. Two west means another two directions.

Lol. . . and what happened to North and South? Besides, what has happened to your assertion about the CARDINAL points?

olabowale:
Adding the two together is 4. End of story.

Adding the two together is 4. . . minus the North and South! When you add the North and South, you're talking about 6 CARDINAL locations! Whatever happened to simple Islamic arithmetic?

olabowale:
Ypu do not have to be an engineer to know this.

Of course not! Toddlers know the difference between 4 and 6 - and you can't grift them with your bunco about those CARDINAL locations!

Hi again @9ja,

Thanks for your calm rejoinder. I do hope that you will keep the trend, because quite often we get to see Muslims who have desserted reason and substituted noise as a better alternative!

Anyhow, there is something that caught my attention in your reply:

9ja:
Q. only 1 east on d cardinal points
A. yes their is only 1 eas[/b]t but we don't use d compass because islam came around 1400 years ago so d use of a natural concept was used,d risin of d sun from d east.this fact is constant irrespective of country or season.

Right. There is "only [b]1 East" - straight and simple. Thank you.

Wherefore did the Qur'an mention TWO Easts?

babs787:
@ajadrage

We will know if really 82% are really his when you provide solution to those quesyions raised.

What "questions" raised? I am waiting for your claim of 82%. This is how you make assertions and then fail to provide simple answers for your theories. LYING for 'Allah' has never blessed anybody. . . not even when those lies puch you to refer to Jesus the Christ as telling "two lies". Where did 'Allah' ever refer to Jesus as LYING?

@babs787,

babs787:
@Pilgrim.1

Will you provide explanation to those verses and stop beating about the bush which you are well known for?

I knew you would have nothing to say further than that. That was why I only quoted them and waited for you to show your empty bloviates.

@babs787,

babs787:
@pilgrim.1







You called that denials when you couldnt provide any prophecy from OT on his crucifixion and resurrecting after the third day!!






Why not quit your game of dishonesty, it has never worked with me. You called that a prophecy for him? Common stop deceiving yourself, it wasnt for him.

Is it such a big deal for you to deal with the OT prophecies of the Crucifixion FIRST? Is that your deathknell?

babs787:
@pilgrim.1

Please in all honesty, let me have where I started it. I wont deny the fact that I insulted your parent and I owe you no apology for saying that because you caused it. You can't just be insulting people here just because we are on net.

Let me have any thread where I first abused or insulted you.

If you cannot deny the FACT that you insulted my parents, what is the hypocrisy you're trumping up to "have the thread" where you actually did so?

People have said all sorts of things about me - and in Catholic threads, for example, I have borne them all gracefully without seeking to trade insults at anybody's parents.

My response to olabowale was to point out the FACT that the Muslim observation that people should not insult the parents of fellow discussants is HYPOCRITIC at best! And you have just confirmed it with your words in bold (not that I sought an apology from you - but just so that olabowale can now see that Muslims really have no heart to be sincere in their call for peaceful means).

One thing is clear, though: my parents read your insults that very day, and my dad called me immediately and said that WHATEVER I do or say, I should remember he never brought me up to insult anybody's PARENTS! I assured him that I had no intention of trading insults to your parents even before he called me. . . and he also wanted you to know that he forgave EVERYTHING!

Whatever discussions I hold with people, I have not gone so far as to castigate or insult anybody's parents. You can please keep your apologies (because you had none), and be assured that nothing you say or do will make me insult your parents.

Enjoy.

@babs787,

babs787:
@pilgrim.1

Are you happy that it is growing?

You don't really have to force yourself to say anything - especially when you often come back with senseless statements these days.

As a former Muslim, the one thing we faced was the fact that Christianity was growing inspite of the threats that Christians faced from Muslims in the Islamic world. In as much as in other countries, Muslims are NOT discriminated against and given the freedom to practise their religion, the same can not be said about Muslims allowing Christians to freely practise their faith - even though some of Christians are citizens of their own countries in the Muslim blocs!

But when I became a Christian, I was happy to know that the Muslim propaganda had finally fallen off; and contrary to what we were made to believe, Christianity actually IS growing!

babs787:
Common, don't tell me that you don't read your bible at all because if you have been doing that, Jesus told you that wide is the road that leads to destruction and many will be following it while narrow is the road that leads to eternal life and few will be

Thank you for reminding me - I read my Bible daily, and I am well familiar with the verse and know it by heart! The one thing that we can be thankful to see is that the wide road to destruction in Islam is confirmed in Jesus' words; and those who truly find salvation to eternal life find that it is indeed a 'narrow door'.

@olabowale,

Please stop sweating with such chidlish rants. There was only one request davidylan made:

davidylan:
Again you'll do well to answer pilgrim.1's succint questions.

- direct, concise, and sensible!

Incase you missed it for lack of anything you blame under the sun, here it is again:

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=101111.msg1810211#msg1810211 date=1199139156]@olabowale,

(a) when you find the Hadiths that confirms the issue here IN HER OWN WORDS,
would it be taken that Aisha was LYING?

(b) If she was NOT lying, what is the problem you Muslims have with her own words?[/quote]Can you please stop foaming in the mouth and playing hide and seek so you can address the question as simply as sanity allows you?

@olabowale,

olabowale:
Alhamdulullah. Whatever the age of Seyida Aisha was when she became our mother, we are grateful for it. Through her, many hadith came to light. In this I have found great joy. Through Muhammad I have been able to know that I can remarry. To an older woman, a widow, a younger woman,etc and i do not have to marry just one, if I have all the acutremens to handle the situations.

Hadith when translated from its original Arabic form, we see that it has a mistranslations, sometimes. However, the soundness of any hadith depends on how many narrations and the people in the chain of each narrations. Finally there is no set of years that every human is to reach puberty. I remember those situations in the 60s and the early 70s, when supposedly young women get pregnant. We reckon with the birth age only, not considering the mental age or the fact that there may be a phenomenon in the equation of each of the person.

I asked Nwando to do a very simple task, she had since disappeared. Leaving immatured minds to go about in a blind rage. As if that will profit a disbeliever. All disbelievers will enter Hellfire, without any exception. Period!

I will be waiting for you Mrs. Nwando, to attempt to explain the conditions of Aisha. We know an authentic hadith, when we read it and put everything in their perspectives. We know the personality of Prophet Muhammad. This is why we have been asking the like of Nwando to step to the plate of truth. There could have been anybody in the chain of narrators who is considered to be a hypocrite or just plainly wrong in the statement made. But regardless, we are greatly educated by her youth relatively to the prophet maturity.

All this long stories. . . HOW have you answered the simple question instead of foaming in the mouth? Where's Wordsmith? He needs to send for your prescriptions of anti-depressants quick!

Again, I repeat:

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For the dear Muslim onlookers. . . I just simply ask you one *thing[b]s[/b] here:

(a) when you find the Hadiths that confirms the issue here IN HER OWN WORDS,
would it be taken that Aisha was LYING?

(b) If she was NOT lying, what is the problem you Muslims have with her own words?

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_{* I purposely left it as "one thing[b]S[/b]" while asking TWO questions! Lol. . . both questions are the same in different forms, and I was only being facetious!}

@olabowale,

olabowale:
All the wives of Muhammad (as), my leader are mothers to all muslims, inluding their own fathers and mothers.

Where did your Qur'an say so? Abi you sef don start your own Sufi innovation into Islam?

@babs787,

babs787:
The Quran indeed came to confirm what was sent earlier and that is the more you tends to read similar accounts from both books. The Quran to confirm that God gave early prophets revelation and you can as well find that in the Quran.

This is simply saying the very thing I have said every single time! The Qur'an came to CONFIRM the Biblical scriptures and not to "correct" them.

Since you asserted that it came to "correct" rather than confirm them, please simply be a man and provide the verse(s) where 'Allah' said the Qur'an came to CORRECT the Biblical scriptures!

Instead of the long stories (which actually dribble round to buttress MY POINT), why are you finding it forever difficult to find the VERSE that uses the word "correct"?!? You have only come round to validate my point by saying that "The Quran indeed came to confirm what was sent earlier". . . rather than correct them!

In other words, you have only defeated your bloviates, proven yourself even far more dubious than your previous adventures, and ended up agreeing that the Qur'an did not come to "correct" the biblical scriptures!

babs787:
Now if we say that Quran came to comfirm the early revelation, this is what it means:

Quran 2 v 99: and indeed we have sent down to you manifest Ayat (these verses of the Quran which inform in detail about the news of the Jews and their secret intentions etc and none disbelieve in them but those who rebel against Allah's command.

Lol. . . sounding even more desperate! Abeg look again at your "explanation" for the meaning of the Qur'an coming to "confirm" early REVELATION! Instead of finding a verse for what you asserted, you diverted into something else!

Is "the news of the Jews and their secret intentions etc" the same thing as the Biblical scriptures of "Torah and Injil"? Do you see how further confused your cover-up adventures are?

That is why every single time you offer such bloviates, I simply cross them out and ask the same question:

Find me the verse where 'Allah' said the Qur'an came to "correct" the Biblical SCRIPTURES!

You have searched in vain and yet found that 'Allah' never said so! The topic of this thread is: "Babs787, Where Did The Qur'an Say So?" Just where did the Qur'an say that it came to "correct" the Biblical scriptures, hmm??!?

Keep entertaining us - because as many times as you come with your stories, I will simply cross them out and ask the same thing UNTIL you find me the verses I requested! No juju you bring here will do you any good!

@babs787,

babs787:
@pilgrim.1

Since you ignored the questions asked, let me re-present them again mayube you didnt see them:

I asked you just two questions. WHERE have you answered them by simply quoting the verses requested?

All the verses YOU have quoted so far are pointing out that the Qur'an came to CONFIRM the Biblical scriptures, rather than to "correct" them!

If you are intellectually challenged, hiding behind the usual Islamic games of "answer my questions" is a waste of time here. I asked you simple questions and I'm still waiting for your answers - please attend to them in simple terms instead of dribbling round with fallacious story lines to cover up your lying for 'Allah'.

No hala me. . . just because you no see ya name there no mean say I don change my mind!

Okay, here:

[center][size=14pt]Happy New Year to my Darling: LAWYER![/size][/center]

Hugs.

Lol. . . Carlosein, Pampere, Viee, Oby1, Ebos, and every good friend . .

A belated Merry Christmas. . . and an even more prosperous New Year to ya all!!

@lawyer,

lawyer:
see this my run away wife pilgrim. Na only when i talk say other girls de trip for me na im u come show out of the blues. You wicked o! you No de even give me breathing space.

See this yeye guy! Why I no go hala? Abeg I dey fight for wetin concern me! Any sensible pikin go hala for im bobo. . . and you iniquities don multiply for giving them the only number wey you suppose reserve for me and you!!

lawyer:
At least i don wash all your cloth finish now and i don baff the dog, wetin i go do again to let other girls follow me play?

You suppose wait for me! Which kain hurry and play you wan attempt so?

lawyer:
If na like so u wan do this new year, i no go marry u again o! Na end of PILAW be that o!

Haaa! Wahala don start already! _{Chei. . . see how my fingers dey shake!}

lawyer:
Meanwhile how u de! Its a shame we can't meet too, am sure we would have loved to see the chick that haunted us through out 2007 on naira, any how sha, have a happy new year in advance and abeg pipe down next year. Your bodi too hot sef, when no b super V de your bodi!  

Lol. . . body dey inside cloth bo!  Engineering Maths show me pepper, I no see road again!  But all the other papers na easy-come-easy-go!

The New Year 2008 go different! We go sing many new songs. . . and if I rascal at all, make you report me for the Forum!

@olabowale,

I have often appealed that you make sense in your posts, but your passions would deprive you yet of the same! Besides, even after severally warning you to be respectful of other people's convictions, this is how you have continued to address the Christian faith:

olabowale:
Unlike the three heads of god idea of the Christains, which is riddled with holes like Swiss Cheese.

My dear, please be notified - it is not only Muslims who can say unpalatable things about other people's convictions. Be warned once again. Because when I begin to expose the many things straight out of Muhammad's mouth, I hope you will not be in need of anti-depressants.


Secondly:

olabowale:
The two east is accompanied by the two west, in many Quranic verses. Duh! A person who has honesty will speak the truth. Not half truth.

Having said all you did, WHERE did you seek to enuciate the matter of TWO Easts and TWO Wests? You merely accused me of not showing 'honesty' - and I should assume that the Qur'an never mentioned "TWO easts"? This is not in reference to other measurements of locations - that was a direct reply to your assumption of CARDINAL locations!! You do not have more than 4 "cardinal" locations - and when you have TWO Easts and TWO Wests, that amounts to 4 already! Where then do you place the North and the South among the cardinals - for that would make 6 "cardinal" locations!

Dear olabowale, I think your tantrums should cease, please. I often sound out enough warning before I answer people. Where they fail to take my warnings on board, they have never been able to pick themselves up from the dust afterwards.