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Christianity Etc › Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by plaetton(op): 4:43pm On Nov 11, 2024

Dtruthspeaker:
And many of us where Peak milk, and cornflakes babies. God punish Buhari and Tinubu times 16

Christianity Etc › Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by plaetton(op): 4:17pm On Nov 11, 2024

DeepSight:
Immaterial things actually exist. A shadow is not a thing of itself. You are at all times looking at a surface - which is the thing.

Yes, immaterial things like radio waves, energy, basically, electromagnetic energy. But, as immaterial as they are , we have instruments to generate, convert, measure and transmit them.
Spirits, on the hand, have never been observed, measured, calibrated, etc.
You accept their existence by faith, and only faith.

Christianity Etc › Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by plaetton(op): 4:11pm On Nov 11, 2024

Dtruthspeaker:
It would not be good old days if it was not my childhood. Of which it was still good till 2010.

Lol.
It was still good in 2010 ?
The last I can think back and say that things were much better was 1982, when 30 cups of garri was N1.
Then the devil sent Buhari on his first MISSIONLESS journey , and the rest is history.

Christianity Etc › Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by plaetton(op): 3:45pm On Nov 11, 2024

Dtruthspeaker:
Do you not see the threads of "who remembers these things?"

https://www.nairaland.com/2383555/remember-childhood-thing#34823537

Your childhood nostalgia is what you refer to ?
C'mon.

Christianity Etc › Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by plaetton(op): 10:36pm On Nov 10, 2024

DeepSight:
Summarize your point in one sentence please.

Neurons and their activities produce consciousness.
The mind is a derivative of neural activities, not the other way round.

Christianity Etc › Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by plaetton(op): 9:40pm On Nov 10, 2024

DeepSight:
Oh to be clear, I remain agnostic as to the nature of reality and our existence.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8907974/#:~:text=Neuroscience%20has%20furnished%20evidence%20that,the%20features%20of%20our%20experience.

Here is an excerpt from the long article.

Neuroscience research, led by the funding that supports it, is dominated by research into disorders of the nervous system. The pursuit of treatments and cures (and the research efforts into understanding the normal function of the brain) builds on decades of discovery into all levels of neural organization – seemingly none of it reliant on knowing very much at all about consciousness. Studies of how consciousness is generated, and why it has the characteristics it does, is nevertheless a focus of considerable interest and effort. There is no consensus about how it is generated, or how best to approach the question, but all investigations start with the incontrovertible premise that consciousness comes about from the action of the brain.

The approach the majority of neuroscientists take to the question of how consciousness is generated, it is probably fair to say, is to ignore it. Although there are active research programs looking at correlates of consciousness, and explorations of informational properties of what might be relevant neural ensembles, the tacitly implied mechanism of consciousness in these approaches is that it somehow just happens. This reliance on a “magical emergence” of consciousness does not address the “objectively unreasonable” proposition that elements that have no attributes or properties that can be said to relate to consciousness somehow aggregate to produce it. Neuroscience has furnished evidence that neurons are fundamental to consciousness; at the fine and gross scale, aspects of our conscious experience depend on specific patterns of neural activity – in some way, the connectivity of neurons computes the features of our experience. So how do we get from knowing that some specific configurations of cells produce consciousness to understanding why this would be the case? Behind the voltages and currents electrophysiologists measure is a staggeringly complex system of electromagnetic fields – these are the fundamental physics of neurons and glia in the brain. The brain is entirely made of electromagnetism (EM) phenomena from the level of the atoms up. The EM field literally manifests the computations, or signaling, or information processing/activities performed by connected cellular ensembles that generate a 1st-person perspective. An investigation into the EM field at the cellular scale provides the possibility of identifying the outward signs of a mechanism in fundamental terms (physics), as opposed to merely describing the correlates of our mental abstractions of it.

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Christianity Etc › Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by plaetton(op): 7:57pm On Nov 10, 2024

DeepSight:
Well that thread ran for 39 pages so you can understand some significant energy and thought was devoted to it which I cannot easily replicate. All I can tell you is that -

1. A material thing cannot produce an immaterial thing.

2. If matter is the source of all that we are, there is no such thing as freewill and everything that happens is predestined and pre - determined, ergo there is neither good nor evil and thus nothing to complain about in the world

3. Matter cannot be conscious by itself.

I understand that these statements may require elucidation / expatiation, but I will have to leave you to dwell on them as I cant rehash such a subtle, detailed and nuanced matter all over again.

1. False
For more than 100yrs now, we have been making transistor radios(material objects) that generate electrical signals( immaterial) across miles. In fact, the transistor has transformed life on earth as we know it.

Pianos( tangible) produce music ( intangible).

2. I think I opened a thread several years ago to show that freewill is not freewill.
Even the bacteria in our bowels control what we think is our own freewill.

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Christianity Etc › Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by plaetton(op): 7:48pm On Nov 10, 2024

DeepSight:
It is not by mistake that "physics" as a word is a derivative of "physical." Thus the science of physics can only address the physical world.
There is reality beyond, before and after the physical.

The physical is not even as real as the non-physical.
Evidence of this rests in the transient nature of the physical.

The intangible and spiritual are much more real and abiding.
It is what you are, and you cannot change it.

You are not a physical being. You dwell only for a time in a physical encasement.

My Ol pal,
You know on a private level, I might say that agree with you on most of these postulations and educated guesses( which is what they are). But that a notion sounds good to me, for which I might be inclined to ' brlieve ' is not the same as accepting it as fact. Facts are built upon evidence.
There are a lot of things I personally believe, for which there are no factual evidence to support them. So , they would always remain in the realms of postulations and myths.

Christianity Etc › Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by plaetton(op): 7:37pm On Nov 10, 2024

Dtruthspeaker:
Stop advertising your foolishness.

Nigeria is even a case which proves God for when everything was good people were jumping up and down but now things are bad as God had foretold, it is now you all are wailing.

Please let all the wailers wail don't bring God into it for He forewarned us that theses days will come and it has come, so you are talking rubbish

Pls tell me when things were ever good in Nigeria.

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Christianity Etc › Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by plaetton(op): 7:34pm On Nov 10, 2024

DeepSight:
Breeze through the posts I highlighted above pls. The argument I sought to make is that we can logically infer that our minds are not constructs of matter alone.

I don't need to read the post to be able to refute the argument that mind is this or that.
It's like saying that information is independent of the source.
Brain ( matter) generates consciousness ( mind). Consciousness is not independent of the brain that generates it. A foetus becomes conscious only when the electrical activity in the brain reaches a certain voltage threshold.
Consciousness, a.k.a mind, is the product of electrical activity in the physical brain.
Brain injuries in different parts of the brain helps us to understand how mind, reality and perspective are controlled by the physical brain.
Even the ' spiritual experience ' is housed and controlled and affected by a certain portion of the brain.

Pls read up on Temporal Lobe Epilepsy and the Religious experience.

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Christianity Etc › Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by plaetton(op): 6:40pm On Nov 10, 2024

DeepSight:
Did you participate in this thread with Lordreed and I?

https://www.nairaland.com/6942843/matter-mind

No I didn't. I wasn't even aware of it.

Christianity Etc › Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by plaetton(op): 6:35pm On Nov 10, 2024*

Versitee:
I don't think the existence of God should be a debate. You can't look at the universe and think you can observe God.

God is a spirit, not a scientific fact.

That is the issue. Everything else can be explained by science (or almost everything)

So why can't God.

The debate here is that every Nigerian believes in God. Every God believer believes that God is the architect of their fortunes, personal and collective. Every God believing Nigerian prays multiples times a day from childhood to old age.
Churches and Mosques pray multiple times each day and night. Offerings, vigils, tithes, seed sowing, evangelism are all done to beseech and placate a God that is expected to acknowledge, bless and protect the faithful.
Faith, worship, offerings , prayers, etc, are deemed spiritual investments from which celestial dividends are expected, and much much needed in this darkest hour of Nigeria's checkered existence.

If faith and worship are spiritual investments, at what point in our personal and national life do we put a stop loss , cut our losses, and perhaps begin to consider other investment options?

For goodness sake, Nigeria's investment in the God stock has plummeted in value over the past 200yrs (?) to zero.

What gives ?

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Christianity Etc › Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by plaetton(op): 6:17pm On Nov 10, 2024

DeepSight:
It is not by mistake that "physics" as a word is a derivative of "physical." Thus the science of physics can only address the physical world.
There is reality beyond, before and after the physical.

The physical is not even as real as the non-physical.

Sounds quite sweet and romantic as a belief, to soothe our anxieties about our mortality.
No evidence has ever been adduced to support the so-called non-physical. Even in spooky arena of sub-atomic physics (quantum physics), we still employ scientific methodology to try understand it bit by bit.

" just believe me bro " just doesn't cut it.

DeepSight:
Evidence of this rests in the transient nature of the physical.

The intangible and spiritual are much more real and abiding.
It is what you are, and you cannot change it.

You are not a physical being. You dwell only for a time in a physical encasement.

No evidence.
How you feel or one's personal perspective is not the same as EVIDENCE.
Evidence means something that is objectively standard to anyone, everyone, everywhere, everytime.

Christianity Etc › Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by plaetton(op): 5:48pm On Nov 10, 2024

DeepSight:
Science can't even explain you: what you are.

Science is a quest, a series of questions, one after the other.

Christianity Etc › Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by plaetton(op): 5:44pm On Nov 10, 2024

DeepSight:
You are not your body. Your body is a shell, a biological machine which enables you to work in the physical world.

You know that's just an educated guess, at best.

If scientific investigation, the foundation of everything we currently know about the universe, cannot explain spirit or God, then what are basis for a belief not grounded in the immutable laws of math and physics?
If we don't have foundational basis (science) with which to understand reality, then it all comes down to " just believe me bro" .

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Christianity Etc › God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by plaetton(op): 4:00pm On Nov 10, 2024

Since the dawn of human history, Religious people have advanced all sorts of arguments to support the existence of whatever God or diety that they believe in.
In the the prescience era, their arguments carried a lot weight, mostly because proof or evidence was not a requirement.
In the modern scientific era however, goddists have struggled to explain the existence of their particular God in the face of numerous advances in knowledge about the universe, our Earth and biological life.

So these days, the Religious folks have to do quiet a lot of logical acrobatics, mostly absurd fallacies, to justify their faith.

On this particular forum, non believers have been asked several times to prove that God does not exist.

Well, even though it is the responsibility of the believers to show proof of the existence of God, the nation of Nigeria does make a compelling case ,in fact, absolute proof, that God does not exist.

This is a nation of 200m+ people who expend the most time and energy to worship and pray to God.

In my 50+ years of life, no single prayer has been answered in Nigeria and for Nigeria.

Despite our absurd fixation with religion and our religiosity, Nigeria can best be described as a God-forsaken nation.

When will it become conscious in our minds that whoever sold us this grand bogey, has left us holding the bag full of desert sand ?

How long shall we continue to carry this bag of desert sand ?

Cc: Deepsight

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Christianity Etc › Re: Church Service Being Held At Ebonyi State Airport by plaetton: 3:40pm On Nov 10, 2024

DeepSight:
Reincarnate in three hundred years. Things may be better.

Lol.
My brother, how are you doing?
I hope you're holding up well in this dystopian paradise.

I scratch my head everyday.
It's impossible for me to understand Nigeria and Nigerians anymore.
I think I need to go back school, with a clean slate, to make another attempt at understanding human nature.

Christianity Etc › Re: Church Service Being Held At Ebonyi State Airport by plaetton: 3:25pm On Nov 10, 2024

Righthussle:
I pity Africans

There is hardly anything to be proud of in Africa.
We can go on blaming anything or anyone we can think of, but the bitter truth is that there is no enduring legacy that I can be proud of as a Nigerian. Rather, shame upon shame is what I feel with every piece of news out of Nigeria.

Politics › Re: IGP Orders Police Officers To Wear Black Bands Over Lagbaja’s Death For 7 Days by plaetton: 12:57pm On Nov 08, 2024

BeeBeeOoh:
https://thenationonlineng.net/igp-orders-police-officers-to-wear-black-bands-over-lagbajas-death/

And an emergency contract has to quickly awarded for the provision of tens of thousands back bands.
Yeye people.
Another day in the dystopian paradise.

Politics › Re: Dele Momodu Is Wrong On Seeing No Light At The End Of The Tunnel - Reno by plaetton: 8:17pm On Oct 15, 2024

nedu666:
If your exports exceed your imports for two consecutive quarters. Why is your currency losing value. Your economy is growing yet you are experiencing hyper inflation, more poverty, lower purchasing power, what sort of economy is that

Don't mind the half brain idiot.
Let me try to debunk most of the bogus and misleading figures thrown around by this fraudster.

1. First, he said our exports are more than our imports. We'll, what are those exports? Agricultural goods, manufactured goods ?
The same oil and gas exports that has remained the mainstay of the economy. We are importing less because purchasing power of the Middle class has been completely decimated by ill-concieved adhoc policies.
No strides have been made in any new export sector.
We are on the verge of importing basic food for sustenance.

2. The Nigerian stock exchange making new highs is certainly not measure of economic well-being, especially in our dystopian, generator-run economy. In fact, stock markets are know to thrive when the middle class is under attack and when income disparity is widest.

3. A temporary blip of foreign reserve Growth as a measure of economic well-being is laughable, so laughable, it needs no explanation. Genuine Foreign reserve Growth without a corresponding strengthening of the domestic currency is a joke, facade.

4. Did he say that industrial production has increased?
Where ?

5. Did he say that Nigeria is now fuel- import free ?
Since when , and why are we still hearing about landing costs associated with refined petroleum?

6. Did I hear him say no more pipeline of borrowing?
What is he talking about?
Tinubu has borrowed more money in 1yr than any previous president did in that same span of time.

It is rather unbelievable, even heartless for a desperate political jobber, only after his own stomach infrastructure , insult the sensibilities of hungry and frustrated Nigerians with bogus statistics.

In this current state, only a policy or program to drastically bring down the price of fuel, drastically strengthen the Naira, give 24hr electricity nationwide ,improve agricultural production 3 fold, and improve security would bring succour to the suffering masses.

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Foreign Affairs › Re: What Obama Is Doing Right Now Is Similar To What African Leaders Do by plaetton: 5:12pm On Oct 13, 2024

Kelechi009:
Obama faces backlash for comments toward Black men in recent speech where he was scapegoating Black men, that black men are not enthused about voting for Kamala.

He might be quietly running a “shadow government” in the U.S. I think that even though he's no longer in office, Obama still holds a lot of influence over the Democratic Party and what happens in politics. This idea gained attention after his recent speech, where he pointed out that black men don’t seem excited to vote for Vice President Kamala Harris.

Obama has run 8 years in Office.

- Has allegedly run a shadow government under President Biden.
- Is allegedly planning to run a shadow government under Kamala.

In Nigeria, former Governors & leaders like TINUBU & OBASANJO often keep a lot of power behind the scenes under APC & PDP, even after they leave office. These leaders continue to control important decisions and politics, creating what's known as a "shadow government." This happens when they work in secret or influence decisions without officially holding power, which can sometimes weaken democracy.

I mean, this is what African/Nigerian leaders do.

I compare Obama’s ongoing role in politics to what happens in African countries. Even though Obama isn’t doing anything illegal or against the rules, his continued involvement raises questions. Is his influence as a former president too strong, and could it impact how the government works today?

How much power should a former leader have in the future of American politics?
Shouldn't he just retire and be happy?

Pure Nonsense.

Obama is not pulling any strings behind any scenes.
He's just using his genuine popularity to campaign for his party. That is a very very normal thing to do.

Travel › Re: NDLEA Scraps Letter From Husband For Married Women As Requirement For Visa by plaetton: 9:09pm On Oct 10, 2024

Bashoruntolu:
Everyone one is confused in Nigeria. Every sector doing what is not in their portfolio. Wetin concern NDLEA and marriage + visa? Immigration should also look into drugs, let the equation be balanced.
Very soon
1. Nigerian army will start issuing marriage certificates
2. Supreme court will be the one conducting JAMB exams
3. Native doctors will conduct elections.

What next Mr T-pain de painter?

I couldn't have said better.
Especially now that we have to get permission to sing the national anthem.
This dystopian paradise is getting wayyyyyy too dystopian for me.

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Travel › Re: Stop Migrating To Countries Worse Than Nigeria – Abike Dabiri-Erewa Warns by plaetton: 5:51pm On Oct 03, 2024

adamusuleiman3:
https://dailypost.ng/2024/10/03/stop-migrating-to-countries-worse-than-nigeria-abike-dabiri-erewa-warns-nigerians/

Idiotic.

What are the countries worse than Nigeria?

Politics › Re: President Tinubu To depart for United Kingdom On 2-week Vacation by plaetton: 2:39pm On Oct 02, 2024*

[quote author=fergie001 post=132256426][/quote]Ha ha ha.

Once again, another useless, failed and shameless African leader running abroad for vacation and health.

What a joke.
October 1st was 64th independence anniversary

October 2nd should be a day of national crying and mourning for 64yrs of a dream betrayed.

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Politics › Re: Photo Of Former President Buhari In The UK by plaetton: 5:43pm On Sep 16, 2024

LordviccoDaGuru:
What have you achieve in Life so far?

I'm very sure that my definition of achievement is not the same with yours. I have lived up to my own goals and expectations as well as that of my community, and I continue to grow.

Buhari, on the other hand, both in his first and second missionless journeys into leadership, have proven to be a curse upon the nation.

He stole power with barrel of a gun once, and second by grand deceit, and yet , on both occasions he brought nothing but pestilence and desolation.

Politics › Re: Photo Of Former President Buhari In The UK by plaetton: 2:20pm On Sep 16, 2024*

Africa's very very useless leaders, who would run their nations aground, but quick to run to other countries for their personal comfort and health.
Very very useless.

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Politics › Re: RCCG Collects Almost 1million Naira To Bury Their Pastor On Their Bury Ground- by plaetton: 9:25pm On Sep 15, 2024

Kobojunkie:
Stop Lying to him! His brother wasted his talent working for a business enterprise that paid him nothing for all his work and time, and when he needed help, all he got was a snake oil scam executed against him by the same man whom he had served for all that while. This couldn't happen to anyone but to a certified mugu.

His brother lived and died a mugu building Adeboye's kingdom here on earth for free. And now, Adeboye would even charge for his body to be buried on the same property he invested his life in building up. Tell yourselves the truth so you will never repeat the mistakes of those before you. Shio!

Best comment so far.

When will people learn ?
Religion is a scam.
Adeboye is a scammer.

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Politics › Re: Amaka In Canada Sues Bigot Abike Dabiri For Bias and Tribalism - Daddy Freeze by plaetton: 3:28pm On Sep 08, 2024

Bliss4Lyfe:
Well, they dont arrest and jail them for counter threat when threatened.

That is the point that jumped over past your head

Nonsense.
This sounds so dumb.
That's not a defense.
By such logic we should all be intentionally committing crimes because other persons provoked us.

Politics › Re: Amaka In Canada Sues Bigot Abike Dabiri For Bias and Tribalism - Daddy Freeze by plaetton: 2:00pm On Sep 08, 2024

Bliss4Lyfe:
U think Canada is your kangaroo nigeria court?

Canada arrests and prosecute people, almost daily , for making threats against individuals or groups.

Politics › Re: Amaka In Canada Sues Bigot Abike Dabiri For Bias and Tribalism - Daddy Freeze by plaetton: 5:52pm On Sep 07, 2024

Bliss4Lyfe:
Abike should go and post her yoruba brothers pictures that were threatening to unalive Igbo children, the way she posted Amaka details. Imagine Amaka was not a citizen, she would have been deported and probably killed by the tribal bigot Abike Dabiri in Nigeria.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7pTIRgbGsg

If true.
The so-called lawsuit is frivolous and won't see the light of day in a courtroom.
Abike, no matter her prejudices, was acting in the public interest.
Amaka's act of posting public threats in the category of hate crime, is a criminal offense under Canadian law.
The fact that she has been criminally charged is the best evidence that Abike was acting in the public interest.

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Celebrities › Re: A Man Who Lasts Only 40 Minutes In Bed Is A Red Flag – Efia Odo by plaetton: 12:24pm On Sep 07, 2024

NaMyData:
https://namydata.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/ezgif-2-bcabcdb840_RepNaija_RepNaija.jpg
Ghanaian actress and social media influencer, Efia Odo, has revealed some deal-breakers for her in potential romantic partners, as she reveals she cannot be with a man who only lasts 40 mins in bed.

In a recent podcast clip shared on her Instagram, Efia listed two key red flags.

She stated that she cannot tolerate a partner who can’t sustain intimacy for over an hour and a 30-year-old man still living with his parents.

According to the actress, she values independence and personal space.

She also added that in the past she used to be naïve enough to accept men who don’t own a car, but now, men who do not own a car are also red flags to her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPugKoMKMKw?si=LHFsUsV74GXNkBng

A good quality man has easy access to as many women as he can handle.
I still wonder why women continue to delude themselves that they are the PRIZE.

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