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And if this thread is about learning some lessons from the mistakes of leaders in the past, then I believe we in the delta have learnt a lot.

From the constant attacks on igbo people by the Niger-dleta people i beg to disagree that you people have learnt anything. I yet to encounter a group of very myopic, contant igbo-bashing people as the niger-delta people. You people have simply romanticised igbo hatred.

@naijaking1,

That was a nice post. The Nigerian civil war was a great tragedy not only to the igbos but also to the country.

But you must know that it is still a very sensitive issue among the igbo people becuase even though on paper there were not suppose to be victor or vanquished ( how strange!)
we know who won and who lost.

The niger-delta people gained one thing: seizing igbo people's properties withthe support of the government.

ordinary misunderstanding at the time. They allowed themselves to be blinded by pride, greed, shortsightedness, and I-know-it-all attitude towards the issues at stake. Point Blank.

So to your "civilised" niger-delta behaviour the murder of close to 100,00 igbos in the north is an "ordinary misunderstanding? I have being trying  not to see you a stupid person. I have been trying believe me.

So Ono, tell me  what has the niger-delta gained by supporting the nigerian troops during the war? Mind you so many of the niger-delta people was also killed during the war and yet you people felt nothing for your brethen.

Well, I am  thinking, Is it because minorities are usually lowly members of any society that they usually see themselves as nothing viz blinds support to the people that killed them.

You see Igbo people are naturally ahead of the niger-delta people in fields of human endeavor. Probably that is what is making you people very very unhappy. I am an igbo person and Iam very very proud of my heritage.

Igbo people will continue till the end of time to defend what is theirs. So if you insist of being igbo basher we would not let you rest.

Mind you Ken Saro Wiwa was once like you and he ended up dead. So was Harry Marshall.

Happy reply.

C'mon, go and sleep, can't you see it's too late to discuss with elders? I will send those Ikwerre youths (your kith and kins in the Portharcourt, formenting trouble) to come and lull you to sleep. Anyways, they (Ikwerres) have said they don't want to have anything to do with you people. Who will I send to lull you to sleep now?

Why are you still awake?

Oh!, so you now agree that your people lost that war - using uncivilised means. My dear, that's the best word I've heard from you today. You do not want to know how we're winning our wars on all fronts.

I see I used something touchy this time. Sawrie lad, you pulled too hard on my tail. Please be careful next time.

You reason like a child. How old are you? So you actually believed that you people are using the "civilised ways" by way of kidnapping and all that.

Friend try and read in-between the lines.

Well the war sure had a toll on your people. That's why your leaders lost every inch of sense and decorum; they resorted to joining forces with the evil beings at Okija and other shrines - for proper enlightenment on the civilised way of making hard-earned money through ritual killings.

That is not the issue. We igbo people used the uncivilised method and lost and you people are using the civilised ways and winning.

Don't get me started, you idiot.

That is pretty strong language for someone from the ethnic group with a very "strong sense of decorum".

We will employ better means to fight for our own self-determination - the ones Igbos fought for the wrong way and lost several millions of able bodied men and women in their prime

You are very correct. We fought the wrong way, while "genius" niger-deltans are doing theirs in the civillised way by kidnapping foreigners, terrorising innocent people (Debam and De well cults groups), kidnapping children. raping women. I think the igbo people should have employed such tactics.

Well Ono, you should earnestly be ashamed of yourself. Tell me my friend is it a better way for self-determination?

It is important to note, though, that most of the oil produced in Nigeria is from the non-Igbo Niger Delta

I know that ," most of the oil produced in Nigeria is from the non-Igbo Niger Delta" , statement is to make us non niger-deltas  to have it mind that your region produce most of the oil in this country and are lying outside southeast region. Point made.

denex  that just tells you you can't please every Nigerians, we are too diverse in culture, nature, and even color.  Imagine people like BIGB1 talking about liberating Nigeria, and wants his father IBB to come back and rule us?

That is why we all must be in criticising either cultures or thier leaders. Afterall the confederate flag in the USA means  different things to different people. If people like denex and Ono will learn to respect differences then the country wil be a better place.

@denex, have ever cared to probe more why inspite of the civil war and millions of igbo people died, he is still popular igboland? why is there MASSOB?

See, you do not just criticise people because everybody is doing that. Sometimes it is good to just think outside the box.

Er. . . . .I was actually the one who made the first reference to Omogui. Ono never relied on him, or cited his work as 'facts'. And I wouldn't refer to him as a 'biased' writer. So far, he

seems to be one of the very few, who has written extensively about the war from various perspectives. Other writers such as Alexander Madiebo who served in the Biafran army, as well as a few others like Frederick Forsythe, Wole Soyinka etc. have shared their own accounts of the war, with the public. But am still waiting for Dim Chukwuemeka Odumegwu-Ojukwu to do so. His last book "Because I'm Involved," did not address the issues that led to the war & its' aftermath. I just wasted my money buying that book.

We need to learn from the past, because those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it, like someone once said. May this country never go through the turmoil of war, again. Amen!

So Oga wetin be your point?

@ aysometin

Trying to under his ethic group is not too important. The most important thing fro you to do is to try and understand the person whom you are marrying. Does he make you happy? Sad? Does he treat you with respect? etc and
Most importantly does he fear God?

If you can amswer all these questions positively then heaven is your starting poit in your marriage. Good luck

Just the way I'm angry at the people of the three ethnic groups milking us dry in the Delta. And just like Afam, Mckren and other Igbos are up in arms defending their people's action. It's a natural thing to defend what's yours

Ono,

Igbo people have no part in oppressing the iger-delta people. it is the nigerian state, whichyour people are also part of. Quit hating because it will take on where.

Its in Dawodu.com that you would see all the write up by Omogui. There's no way Igbos will be killed by northerner without some form of provocation from some quarters. And

judging by the mood of the northerners at the time, it would be rather impossible for people who are muslims, jihadists et al, uneducated lot, volatile people, at the time to spare anyone tagged enemy of their progress. Even if I were in their shoes, although I wll not go as far as killing innocent people, but I will be angry at the people who killed my leaders for flimsy reasons. Just the way I'm angry at the people of the three ethnic groups milking us dry in the Delta. And just like Afam, Mckren and other Igbos are up in arms defending their people's action. It's a natural thing to defend what's yours.

Is it because an Hausa man has not come to say anything yet that you guys think you're having some say? Let the Danmasanis and other northern people of the Nairaland forum come and say something about what they know of the Biafran war. It's then there will be a balanced view of the facts that led to the war.

Thank you very much for giving us some inkling on how your mind works. So you solely depended on an article written by a very biased writer? I have also read some of his articles on igbo people and the civil war.

Ono et al, why do you people insist on burying yourselves in your own argument?

Seems we are now trying to force the arguement to revolve around what you insist was the cause, sorry, dead end.

You hit the nail on the head. I think these guys (denex et al) has drawn his own conclusion and has simply buried themselves in their own argument.


Sadly they are the ones spreading those lies.

You're joking right?

No i am not. I am dead serious. See Funmi Iyanda is a star and a leader in her own right.

She identifies so much with anything nigerian and for further 5 star for her.

TO ME OJUKWU CALLED FOR THE WAR BECAUSE HE FELT GOWON WAS NOT THE RIGHTFUL PERSON TO BENEFIT FROM THE COUP THAT BROUGHT HIM TO POWER. IT WAS NOT ABOUT THE IGBOS KILLED IN THE NORTH, YORUBAS EDOS, AND OTHER TRIBES WHERE KILLED IN THE MASACRE ALSO SO WHY DID HE NOW TAKE TOO PERSONAL. HE WENT TO ABURI WITH A PREPARED AGENDA OF WHAT HE WANTED WHY GOWON DID NOT BECASUE HE STRONGLY BELIEVE IN PEACE.

Make your point clear man do not depend on here say. What you are saying does not make any sense.

1 General Buhari becuase he will install discipline in the system

2 Dr Dora Akunyili Her work in NAFDAC is a testament

3 Dr PAt Utomi because of his vast knowledge on business and management which will be useful turning around the economy

4 Bode Agusto His debt management skills will be useful in the running of the economy

5 Dr Oby Ezekwesili Her resume speaks for her

6 Mallam Bamaga Tukur His comittment to execellence, global influence, diplomatic skills will come in handy when he becomes the president.

7 Peter Obi his commitment to the rule of law will bring sanity to the country. Since respect to the rule of the law is onew of the roads to development.

8 Ms Funmi Iyanda well people might not really appreciate what she is doing. Her comittment to worthy causes, women issues, socio-political issues is worthy to be emulated. She has a grass root appeal. But her only minus is her marital status.

9 Donald Duke His work in Cross river state is still a reference point on how manage what you resources


10 ME (Planner) Because i can turn around this country and make most people properous.


Cheers

The problem with other Nigerians especially the south-south people is that they are have inferiority complex and they immesely unhappy that despite what the igbo people went through. they have bounced back into relevance.

If you people, the Onos, denex of Nigeria will concentrate on developign their people i think they will not having being agitating. So you Ethnic jingoist, the difference between you people and hitler is that he is dead and you people are still alive to torment innocent people.

Cheers

the French President and Compensates the living victims of the war, whether babies at the time or adults, with $1 million each.

Anyhow though, for now, I cease to discuss this matter. Afterall I've know about this for years and I don't go about shouting it.

But if the truth is not told, the Ibos will continue to hate the Hausa-Fulanis for trying to exterminate them just because they wanted freedom. The Hausa-Fulanis will continue to hate the Ibos for trying to use a confederate ideology to secede with the Niger-Delta Oil.

Let's not forget that the Eastern Nigeria was not all Ojukwu wanted to hold on to did not include any part of the midwest.

This is nonsense. Keep the information to yourself. Nobody (especially the Igbos) wants this vicious lies and misinformation from you or any other person for that matter. As soon as you drop the topic the better for us all.

Back to the Ojukwu involvement, he caught their eye when they realised his stance against the Gowon Presidency. That was after the Murtala headed coup which installed Gowon, but before the Aburi Conference in Ghana.

So the French and some of their companies, spearheaded by Total had had a plan for secession for a long time. But they didn't know who would carry it out yet.

And believe me Afam, if by any way I enter government, I will ban TotalFinaElf from Nigeria till they issue a confession, apology and compensation for the losses of lives and property of the Ibos, I will ensure that all diplomatic ties with france are severed and all french companies are nationalised until the French Government presents a confession, issues a public apology by

the French President and Compensates the living victims of the war, whether babies at the time or adults, with $1 million each.

Anyhow though, for now, I cease to discuss this matter. Afterall I've know about this for years and I don't go about shouting it.

But if the truth is not told, the Ibos will continue to hate the Hausa-Fulanis for trying to exterminate them just because they wanted freedom. The Hausa-Fulanis will continue to hate the Ibos for trying to use a confederate ideology to secede with the Niger-Delta Oil.

Let's not forget that the Eastern Nigeria was not all Ojukwu wanted to hold on to did not include any part of the midwest.

This is nonsense. Keep the information to yourself. Nobody (especially the Igbos) wants this vicious lies and misinformation from you or any other person for that matter. As soon as you drop the topic the better for us all.

Majority of the people of the Niger-Delta were not and have never been Ibos. I am originally from the Niger-Delta and I definitely am not Ibo-Speaking.

Guy, you dey very correct o.  Majority are not as you stated but some are.  At leat you are indirectly saying that.


There are some igbo speaking people in Delta, Rivers and Cross-rivers state just like there are some yoruba speaking people in Kwara, Edo, Delta and kogi state. these has not made them non-yorubas becuase they geographically live outside the south-western part of the country.

Quote from: McKren on Today at 09:44:52 AM

Denex if all you want to believe is Ojukwu was all about his connection to Total and France, I should also expect you should fairly believe that Gowon was all about Shell and Britain.


True

@ angel101 an execellent analogy. So it is up to denex to answer it.  

If the Biafrans (ex) fought because of oil and the south south prevented them from achieving their aim, me thinks that the region should have been adequatley compesated Abi.

Anyway like all thing controversial this issue will forever be controversial between those  igbos and non-igbos.

Anybody who still subscribe to the notion that the war was fought dolely because of oil is lying to himself.  Yes the Britain , france, Egypt, cameroun, Haiti, Ivory coast that supported either the nigerian side or the biafran side did it becuase various reasons, but that has not made a fact that the war was fought based on their reasons.

The Ibos fought with a clear conscience, but I tell you, this war was concocted in far away France and Ojukwu was a partner and the primary aim of the sponsors of this war was OIL. The primary aim of their agent Odimegwu Ojukwu was to become president for life of his own little oil rich nation, Biafra. Millions of innocent people died on both sides without knowing what they were fighting for

that is not true. The war was never concocted in far away france. Rather it was far away Britain that the war was hatched in coincidence.  After the war Why did the nigerian government compensated  Britain by giving Shell large swathe of the oil rich areas of the Nigeria Delta?

@Ono,

You stated have stated that The nigeria civil war was fought becuase of Oil. Why don't educate us on facts and figures to elaborate you statement. Who knows you may be one of the Gowon's Lieutenants.


And the last post was very correct. I too have NO PITY WHATSOEVER for Ken Saro Wiwa. Afterall his house in Rivers state was fomerly owned by an igbo man who knowing that he will never get back his property committed suicide.

@Ono,
you said:

The problem with you guys is that you all like going out of context. The crux of this discussion, if I'm not wrong, is the Reasons for The Biafran War, which took place in the late 60s- early 70s. We're trying to get the reasons why Nigeria went to War with the Igbos at the time. We're not talking here about Igbos, Hausas or Yorubas potential as at today. Why don't you just face up to the issue on discourse and lets reason them out?

Either you are very p[oor student of history or you are just being mischievous. How could you say or any other person for that matter to say that the Nigerian Civil War was fought because of crude oil? THAT IS VERY VERY WARPED. Instead the foriegn governments that supported either Nigerian troops or the Biafran troops had motives behind it. Britain preferred Nigeria to be united so that she can maximise her neocolonialist policies. So was France. So try and read up and stop engaging in intellectual mastrubation.