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malvisguy212:
God bless you too. Let the truth be sealed in their heart.

Amen bro..for those who seek the truth.

Thank God for all glory be to Him and him alone. More lives will be transformed to Christ as they start discovering the koran is all fabricated copied and rewrite stories to form a religion.

mubarakopeyemi:
you again

The truth will keep Hunting you...

malvisguy212:
Surah 3:55
God said, “O Jesus, I shall cause you
to die and will raise you up to Me
and shall clear you [of the calumnies]
of the disbelievers, and shall place
those who follow you above those
who deny the truth, until the Day of
Judgement.” (W. Khan)

Now reconciled this verse with this:

Surah 39:42:
“It is Allah that takes (mutawaffika)
the souls (of men) at death; and
those that die not (He takes)
(m utawaffika) during their sleep:
those on whom He has passed the
decree of death.” (Yusuf Ali)

Alright, and this verse tell us that ALL messenger have passway:

Surah 3:144: And Muhammad is no
more than a messenger; the
messengers have already passed
away BEFORE HIM; if then he dies or
is killed will you turn back upon your
heels? (Shakir)
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if Surah 3:144 intends to exclude Jesus as one of the messengers who passed away before Muhammad, then it would have read, “All the Apostles before Muhammad died except Isa son of Maryam.” But we find no such thing.
Hence Surah 3:144 proves that Jesus
must have died as the Gospels clearly
and honestly testify.

I notice, you are running from the question I ask, rilwayn could not answer it either, did John die or not ? [/size]

God bless you my brother. Great job. Even a primary school pupils will undstand this sura clearly said Jesus died. But as usual. Muhammad (SBUH) Is a man of copy and rewrite. Muslims with thier pride will not accept the obvious truth you posted there. Islam is Lies.

mubarakopeyemi:
oya no where in the Quran was it said that Jesus was dead and alive again dullard

Abok.i you have seen these verses from your own koran. When you were cought red handed. You diverted to place the fault on translation. Always running away from the truth..

malvisguy212:
the term “die” is translated from the Arabic word, “mutawaffika.” The term “mutawaffika” occurs over 25 times in the Qur’an, and in each case it refers to the death of someone. Especially enlightening is its usage in Surah 39:42:

“It is Allah that takes (mutawaffika)
the souls (of men) at death; and
those that die not (He takes)
(m utawaffika) during their sleep:
those on whom He has passed the
decree of death.” (Yusuf Ali)

Thus, it is important to note that if Qur’an translators (like Yusuf Ali) prefer to use another phrase such as, “Thou didst take me up” (mutawaffika) instead of “Thou didst cause me to die” (mutawaffika) in their translations,
it means the same thing in the Arabic
Qur’an. It means death.

Waoh, you have done great research on this. This Abok.i BP will soon run high. Thanks for exposing Muhammad's lies/contradictions. I know more are coming. Great job.

mubarakopeyemi:
no where did I say that Jesus die and that he didn't die again. That's how Paul taught you. liers!

Your coran the fabricated book from a child mole.st self claimed prophet of Allah said so...

mubarakopeyemi:
wasted efforts
at least I expect a brain to be up there

This man @malvisguy212 finished you with your own book (coran) yet you call that wasted efforts just a way to shamefully agreed he was right I think...

mubarakopeyemi:
of them all i can categorically state that you're the lamest. you've gone from being nonsensical to being stupid 20 times and back. afterall Malvis is trying his best to coin his way out on the Quran but you? hahaha you're just dumb.

You have nothing else to defend/refute here. Your own thread has exposed Islam more....
malvisguy212 and scholar8200 don finish you...

Hahaha....freedom of speech

mubarakopeyemi:
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Yawns

Next time Think well before creating a thread on a thing you have no knowledge about. Anyway, thanks to this thread. At least I have learned some new lies of Muhammad.. Jesus died but later did not die. What a confused man..

mubarakopeyemi:
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Any sense from this. obviously no!
Rather than reason with brain you reason with your anus.

Now listen cheapdog. No one is that blind or stupi.d, an alien could decipher how desperate you are for Attention.

You are disgraceful here.... did Allah took John the Baptist too? Jesus died but later did not die
What a pity. Like I said before, Muhammad (stress be upon him) is a copier. His numerous contradictions in the coran is as a result of copying the bible to form his religion. The Jews said they have killed the Messiah... OMG this @malvisguy212 don fall your hand welwel no be small....

mubarakopeyemi:
are you still talking. oh Gosh. I just realize how windbaggy you're.
All I hear is noise.
Noises from a somewhat pained deluded foo.l

Am so sure you are regretting ever copied lies from a such erronic website and ending up mocking yourself and exposing your religion the more...

Look at these faces. Am sure they defended islam more than you do today. You dey learn for where the main Arabian muslims dey. U are just a brainwashed Abo.ki who know nothing about the religion you embraced. .

See muhammed (SBUH) stress be upon him. Handiwork. .

mubarakopeyemi:
take this for the night

APOSTACY

Zephaniah 1: 2-6
"I will sweep away everything in all your land," says the LORD. "I will sweep away both people and animals alike. Even the birds of the air and the fish in the sea will die. I will reduce the wicked to heaps of rubble, along with the rest of humanity," says the LORD. "I will crush Judah and Jerusalem with my fist and destroy every last trace of their Baal worship. I will put an end to all the idolatrous priests, so that even the memory of them will disappear. For they go up to their roofs and bow to the sun, moon, and stars. They claim to follow the LORD, but then they worship Molech, too. So now I will destroy them! And I will destroy those who used to worship me but now no longer do. They no longer ask for the LORD's guidance or seek my blessings" [/b]

Who gave isis a prophecy to kill people? Those terrorist that bombed the world trade center. Who gave them a révélation to do such? Allah who cannot save Muhammed when he eat food poison, is the one saving islam by reducing the world population with bomb?

mubarakopeyemi:
Nonsense. BTW

Somewhere in the Bible...

Leviticus 24:16

Anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD is to be put to death. The entire assembly must stone
them. Whether foreigner or native-born, when they blaspheme the Name they are to be put to death.


OMG! what's this shit up there ^^^

You are quoting the Almighty God here. Your allah is a wooden/idol god. He socks blood. God/Yahweh 's Judgement is always done for a devine justice. All the peoples boko, isis have been killing, do they all mocked Muhammad or all.ahs name?

By the way, the Muhammad (sbuh) ever told you Jesus killed? We are Christian followers of Christ whom examples we try to follow. He was sin free. He never condemned anyone to death in the bible. If he was to appoint Muhammad (sbhu) Muhammad would have starts from where Jesus stops. Instead. They are two Different peeaons. One a healer, forgiver of sins and the othee a killer, pedophi.le, rapist. ..

mubarakopeyemi:
a quick one. Where did this psalm 91 come from. one of your sis said probably from moses or that the author is unknown ?

Where did you got it from? Allah or Yahweh?

Scholar8200:
Apart from the devil, WHO ELSE , either Apostle or Disciple through an Epistle, made that application? Now was the devil here working to establish Truth?!!

And you call that a confirmation Rather Jesus countered that twisted scripture (which carefully omitted some parts about him being trampled) with Truth! Simple.


[size=16pt]That Psalm is no Messianic Psalm bro.[/size]

He is completely confused with Himself. Islam has caused them so much confusion. All they do is misinterpret the bible to suit thier fabricated Religion. Muhammad (SBUH ) is the worse man that ever lived. He turnned everything upside-down. ..

mubarakopeyemi:
[size=16pt]calm down man.

Quran 19:33 does not anyway relates to what you ascribed it to.

Quran 19:33: Peace on me the day I
was born, and the day I die, and the
day I shall be raised alive! (Pickthall)
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The day I die here doesn't anyway mean to be the day he died on the cross as the Christians believe. There shall be a time during alkiyamah (judgement day) that All things shall die and only Allah shall remain for a period of time During Alkiyamah before he shall raise all up again showing he is the Greatest. And even before then Iesa would have come back to destroy Al Massih Addajjal (Imposter Messiah) and would have died a Natural Death which he would be buried in the Arabia. This story is a whole different issue which I won't beat much on that. Then back to the matter, Iesa here is making reference to that one day he would die a Natural death since he wasn't killed as said in

Quran 4:157
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.

so this verse has written off your intention of trying to link Quran 19:33 with Jesus' being dead.

And as per the day I shall be raised to life that's simple. He was simply referring to when all living things shall be raised again from dead. During the time of recompense /ressurection

Relate

Quran 40:11
They will say: "Our Lord! You have made us to die twice (i.e. we were dead in the loins of our fathers and dead after our deaths in this world), and You have given us life twice (i.e. life when we were born and life when we are Resurrected)! Now we confess our sins, then is there any way to get out (of the Fire)?"

here as above it means God made us die and also raised us not from this world but on the day of ressirectiont.

The day he will die and be raised again is not in any way linked to what u linked it to.
Thanks.

matter of fact even
Quran 4:157 is enough to debunk your claims.

Oh He should calm down and swallow your contradictions? See what happens when you copy something /someone. There are always grave errors. Although you are trying to hid it. But sorry. Its too obvious! One time Jesus died, another time he didnt die but was taken up....

mubarakopeyemi:
summarize this bullshi.t up there.
even if it was written by moses.
why wasn't he saved? as said by moses or whoever wrote it? Jesus should have been a believer or was he an unbeliever?

Call it whatever it doesnt change the truth. The bible interprets itself. You should  know the real bullshi.t is the trash you copied from the website of an erronic Islamic scholar. By the way, what else do you want to know? You have been told it is not a messianic psalm yet you are forcing it. There are scriptures prescribed to the Messiah and the NT confirmed them. Scripture interprets scriptures, not coran interprets scriptures. ..

This psalm was originally a psalm prescribed for public worship. Not Jesus. It has been attributed to Moses. It may have been a psalm which was sung in the wilderness and have been used by the Israelites in their worship. There are five divisions to be noted in this psalm, each of which speaks of aspects of our walk with God. I do not have much time to fully engage in any lengthy  argument now. But i will briefly add to what has been said previously by....@scholar8200.

Verses 1 and 2 speak of a personal position with God. In them the use of the first person gives forth a statement of trust. The condition of these verses must be met so that the promises that follow will be ours. Verses 3 and 4 are the response from a second person concerning deliverance and refuge. In verses 5 through 8, the promises of personal protection from the Lord are described fully and completely. Verses 9 through 13 are another response from the second person affirming the immunity that God gives us from plagues, pestilences, and disasters in the world. Verses 14 through 16 come from one speaking as the mouthpiece of God, possibly a high priest. Here the promises of God are given to the man who thoroughly trusts in Him with all his heart and who positions his life in God. How does this psalms proscribed to Jesus? This psalm has no link with the Messiah.  Like i said beforw, the bible contain verses prescribed the Messiah's coming and his life while on earth.  The only reason why muslims are trying to tag this Psalm to Jesus is to justify the lies told  by Muhammad (SBUH) in the coran. But its unfortunate it doesnt make any sense. The coran has always find ways to validates its prophet with the bible despite it says the bible was Corrupted. Think of it?

by the way why would the author be unknown  are u beginning to admit that the bible is questionable grin did the psalm 91 just fly into the bible. Imagine the poo you even said.


All haill the buyboo the scripture with a chapter of an unknown writer grin

Just look at this brainwashed Abo.ki you think am like you muslims that have no knowledge of the religion you practice? Oh so you think i just study like a blind person? Common, It doesnt hurts to ask question. I am not a muslim but a Christian. Jesus disciples kept on asking him questions and he was never tired of answering them. Unlike Muhammad who forced his lies in your throats... As a christian, when I study the bible, I question everything. Who, what, where, when, why? Was it right? Was it wrong? Who said it? Who were they? Who were they talking to? Why were they talking to whoever they were talking to?What other choices could have been made? What can I learn from this right now? Can I apply this to my life? Should I apply this to my life? Etc. Of course I aways do this each time.

Proofs....

This discribed Islam....

Rilwayne001:
Gerraourra here nigga

This is all what muhammed succeeded in doing...killing and making people to continue from where he stops...the coran is gradually tiring Nigeria apart and u are here smiling defending that pido..

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Re.tarded thread....
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Richirich713:
Erm u quote from Osama Abdullah website , u no he thought john the baptist is john the apostle.

Also why wud u take satan interpretation of the bible over the apostles of jesus even tho they are called muslims in the quran.

No mind am. He no even post the link. Com show himself like say he fit write all those trash he called Indisputably. ....

Rilwayne001:
See them shivering like ewe jobele. ^^

Do you think anythin meaningful can come out from an islamic website? Even muhammed {SBUH} Got it all wrong. Am not surprise muslims cannot know the difference between a messianic verse and other verses. After all Allah too Jesus mother for Moses sister...

@OP, since you like copying from the net than to read the bible to get knowledge. This link will do you good.
Take your time and read the scripture s provided. As that is the only way you will understand that psalm 91 cannot be a messianic Chapter. Read and follow the link.


 It is not known who wrote Psalm 91. Some think Moses wrote both Psalms 90 and 91 to comfort the Israelites during their forty years sojourn in the wilderness. Others think it is a Messianic Psalm prophesying God's protection over the Messiah who was to come - Jesus - during His earthly ministry. Regardless of who wrote it and whether or not it is a Messianic Psalm, the promises it contains are for believers in every age (CP Psa 91:1-16). Here believers are promised virtual immunity from every sickness and disease imaginable, calamities, evils, plagues, demonic attacks, robbery, murder, venomous snakes and other poisonous creatures, wild animals, accidents, and even premature death.



Kindly help yourselve with this link:


http://bible-truths-revealed.com/adv19.html

mubarakopeyemi:
Psalm 91 clearly and indisputably confirms that Jesus never got crucified!

It is, first of all, important to know that Psalm 91 is referenced more than once in the New Testament for Jesus Christ. So we know for certainty that Psalm 91 is referring to the coming Messiah in the Bible:

Luke 4:10-12
10 For the Scriptures say, ‘He will order his angels to protect and guard you.
11 And they will hold you up with their hands so you won’t even hurt your foot on a stone.’”
12 Jesus responded, “The Scriptures also say, ‘You must not test the Lord your God.’”

Matthew 4:5-10
5 Then the devil took him to the holy city, Jerusalem, to the highest point of the Temple,
6 and said, “If you are the Son of God, jump off! For the Scriptures say, ‘He will order his angels to protect you. And they will hold you up with their hands so you won’t even hurt your foot on a stone.’”
7 Jesus responded, “The Scriptures also say, ‘You must not test the Lord your God.’”
8 Next the devil took him to the peak of a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.
9 “I will give it all to you,” he said, “if you will kneel down and worship me.”
10 “Get out of here, Satan,” Jesus told him. “For the Scriptures say, ‘You must worship the Lord your God and serve only him.’”

There are few points to notice in these verses:

1- Notice how satan referred to Psalm 91 regarding the protection of Jesus.

2- Notice how Jesus confirmed that Psalm 91 was indeed speaking about him by saying "the Scriptures also say..." (Luke 4:12 and Matthew 4:7).

3- As we will see in the points below, Psalm 91 is not just concerned with preventing Christ or the Messiah from striking his feet against the ground. This is the least point the chapter is concerned with. The chapter concentrated heavily on:

(see the detailed points on Psalm 91 below)

Let us now take a look at Psalm 91:

(Please pay specially attention to Psalm 91:11-12, 15)

Psalm 91

1 He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. [a]

2 I will say [b] of the LORD, "He is my refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust."

3 Surely he will save you from the fowler's snare and from the deadly pestilence.

4 He will cover you with his feathers, and under his wings you will find refuge; his faithfulness will be your shield and rampart.

5 You will not fear the terror of night, nor the arrow that flies by day,

6 nor the pestilence that stalks in the darkness, nor the plague that destroys at midday.

7 A thousand may fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, but it will not come near you.

8 You will only observe with your eyes and see the punishment of the wicked.
9 If you make the Most High your dwelling— even the LORD, who is my refuge-

10 then no harm will befall you, no disaster will come near your tent.

11 For he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways;

12 they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone. (If Jesus died on the cross and got buried, then his feet would've struck the ground and the stones on it from bringing him down, throwing him on the floor and burying him).

13 You will tread upon the lion and the cobra; you will trample the great lion and the serpent.

14 "Because he loves me," says the LORD, "I will rescue him; I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name.

15 He will call upon me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble, I will deliver him and honor him.

16 With long life will I satisfy him and show him my salvation."


There is no question!

There is no question that the emphasized parts above, especially in Psalm 91:11-12, 15 and the others, clearly and indisputably agree with the Noble Quran's and Isaiah 52:13 Verses that are shown below. Jesus was neither crucified nor resurrected, and he was protected and lifted by GOD Almighty. Also, the New Testament, again, confirms that Psalm 91 is referring to Jesus Christ.

GOD Almighty will hear his cries (Psalm 91:15) and will save him (Psalm 91:3).

GOD Almighty will cover him with His Protection (Psalm 91:4).

Christ will then not have any fear in him (Psalm 91:5).

Christ will then observe with his own eyes the punishment of the wicked ones (Psalm 91:8.

No harm (this includes crucifixion!) or disaster will even come near Christ (Psalm 91:10....this even contradicts him getting beaten up before crucifixion).

GOD Almighty will send down the Angels to protect him and lift him (Psalm 91:11-12, 14, Isaiah 52:13). Not even his foot will strike the ground from his enemies pushing, grappling and punishment.

Christ's call will be HEARD, and he will be delivered and honored (Psalm 91:15, Isaiah 52:13). No way would these verses be valid if Christ got crucified.

His life will be prolonged (extended) and he will live to even see his offspring (Isaiah 53:10 and Psalm 91:16, which by the way contradict Jesus never got married and had children.

Important Note: Psalm 91 is speaking as a number of Prophecies that WILL take place. Notice how the verses are speak of future events that WILL TAKE PLACE. Never once throughout the entire New Testament were the Angels sent to save Jesus from striking his foot against a rock. This, again, clearly proves that the NT is indeed false and corrupt.

Ummm, i see where you copied this from.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/psalm_91.htm

If you want the list of messianic scriptures you will have them. But your intention should not be biased. Do you want the truth or just want to argue blindly?

Pyrrho:
Why do you call nothing "something"?

What is nothing to you is SOMETHING to me
Dead thread....

Another interesting topic.
Just reading. ...

truthislight:
Actually, this should have red:



Yeah! romance section instead of "political" section is best for what has been happening thus far.

Ma broda, longest time. I can see you still active in NL.
Greetings.