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Jozzy4:
The bold is a very good question . When you dont understand something , it simply means you dont know it .

Contrary to their delusion , Jesus said " we (clearly include himself ) worship what WE know" john 4:22 not some absurd concept called a mystery .

Clearly , Jesus have a God superior to him . { 1 Cor 15:24, 27 }

Exactly, He declared this several times. But as usual. Man wants to add to God's word..

Scholar8200:
And David who you are trying to equate with Jesus said:

The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand,
until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Psalm 110:1

And Jesus Himself said:
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
John 8:58

For better understanding consider:
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
John17:5
Notice that He didnt say, "glory which I had FROM Thee" as would have been said by a creature!

And John tells us accentuating the above:
18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

These corrects the error highlighted.

Bro thank s for your response. But this type of subject has been treated here in NL times without numbers. You have quoted verses didn't say anything about the trinity. The bible made us to know that Jesus came from Above. His devine nature is not my argument but that He Jesus is Yahweh The Almighty according to the trinity. Jesus himself told us in several verses that He has a "GOD" he also told us the word he says are not his. We know that It is only through Him we can be saved because He made it clear. ( I am the way the truth and the life for no man cometh unto the father but by me.) I don't really want to go into posting verses here. It will looks like repeating same things over and over again. If the Trinity was a doctrine of Jesus, them he would have made it known by teaching it. Jesus never introduced such doctrine. We know when this came to the church and by who it came. If God puts His word in Jesus mouth it means when he says I am the Alpha and the Omega. It is God who is speaking through Him.

Don't forget that at the end of everything, Jesus will hand over everything to the Father. How are they thesame?

Pr0ton:
He must find a cause for sending us to hell, and there is no better way than that.

So many people are finding it difficult to embrace God cause of the trinity dogma. If the apostles Peter standing in front of Christ prophessed that Jesus was the "son of God" and Christ appreciated him for that. Why should I over read meaning to the scripture ? Isn't this an occasion for Christ to have said he was God? It's difficult to explain this TRINITY doctrine to children. Its this Christ aim to make it difficult for men to understand him and his Father? next person that will come here to reply me will say. (Oh yes you need the holy spirit to reveal the trinity to you). Some church are diverting Christ teaching. The Messiah was to be a man not God. And the Prophet Moses promised the Israelites should be a man not God. He must be like MOSES. Not half God.

Emusan:
Are you telling me that you FULLY KNOW who the Father and the Son is?

What made you so sure I am wrong and you are right?

I said Jesus did not teach the TRINITY. AND YOU?

OLAADEGBU:
Suggested answer:

The most difficult thing about the Christian concept of the Trinity is that there is no way to perfectly and completely understand it. The Trinity is a concept that is impossible for any human being to fully understand, let alone explain.

Is this how God wants it? Or how man wants it?

Did Jesus teach the trinity? Something you said it's beyond mens understanding, why teaching it to men?

Just a question: do we have to believe in the trinity to be saved? If yes, bible proof pls. Thanks.

frosbel2:
What a sad life you must live , cursing and hating everyone who disagrees with your delusional fables.

People like you are the ISIS of Christianity.

There is nothing like isis of christianity. See how far you gone? Wonders shall never end....

frosbel2:
Hypocritical bigot !

The bible supports sex slaves.

" Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man " - Numbers 31:17-18

"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. Exodus 21:7-11 NLT

1. American Christian soldiers raped and murdered many Iraqi women - fact
2. Lord resistance army has raped and killed thousands of women in Uganda - fact
3. Pastors rape and defile under aged girls, wives and females almost on a weekly basis - fact.


Again, you cannot stereotype a whole group by the actions of some.

Waoh....you have backslided oo...

frosbel2:
Hypocrites !!

Read the story below

Is this Frisbel?

madjnr:
Are you high ? The prophet is from the blood line of Ishmael .. Where did the prophecy mentioned faith of the Messiah parents as a prerequisite for it to be fulfilled ? None... Is that the only similarity between Jesus and Moses you have ?those similarities are not even related to the prophecy... You're dead on arrival... Cuz I just gave you more than five similarities between Moses and the prophet

By birth. Ishmael is an Egyptian..his mum is Egyptian no?

madjnr:
Are you high ? The prophet is from the blood line of Ishmael... Where did the prophecy mentioned faith of the Messiah parents as a prerequisite for it to be fulfilled ? None... Is that the only similarity between Jesus and Moses you have ?those similarities are not even related to the prophecy... You're dead on arrival... Cuz I just gave you more than five similarities between Moses and the prophet

Allah was high wen he said this...



O god! Have
MERCY on Muhammad and on his
descendants, as you had MERCY
on
Abraham and on his
descendants.”

If Muhammad is his blood line. Abraham's blessings is for his descendants. This should suffice for Muhammad...

MUHAMMAD HAS SIMILARITIES WITH JOSEPH SMITE NOT MOSES...

"I Will Be a Second Mohammed"
by Paul T. Trask © May 20, 2002 [http://www.help4rlds.com/mohammed.htm]

In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim,

“I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.

· Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

· Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

· Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

· As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

· Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3] (More correct than the Bible? Check it out...verse by verse.)

· Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

· Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

· Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

· Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, believe Mohammed’s son was to be their next leader. Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith’s followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith’s own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

· Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.

“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4]

In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith’s claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.

Follow link for more...
http://www.inplainsite.org/html/smith_and_muhammed.html

madjnr:
Which prophecy are you talking about ?

Muslim guy here said only 2% of the bible is accurate. This 2% is what Islam has tagged Muhammad (sbuh) with. The biblical prophecy of Moses was not for an Egyptian. And the holy GHOST Jesus promised his disciples is not a man that will die. It's something that will stay with them until Christ return. We see how the holy ghose manifested in the lives of the apostles. And still directing our lives today. Muhammad has died for long and he is in hell according to the coran.

madjnr:
How did he not fit ? Enlighten us pls

Muhammad is an Egyptian. He has no blood line with Abraham. According your Koran. Muhammad(sbuh) is not the descendant of Abraham. The scripture Moses prescribed was for Jesus. They both had similarities fright from infant till death. Just like I previously stated..Muhammad's parents were Pagans Muhammad was also a pagan from birth. Moses and Jesus were never Pagans.think of it...

Medicis:
The op is serioslly trying to use the Bible to justify Muhammed's marriage to a 9year old Aisha but failed woefully. He is seriously ashamed of his pedophile prophet.

Exactly...

My broda, so much is hidden in Islam. NL has really helped in revealing the "black cat"

truthman2012:
Your people didn't ignore me, it is just that they couldn't come up with your type of lies.

They ran from your tough questions. @Empiree couldnt answer éd why allah cannot save pilgrims in the safest and holiest site of Islam. Yet the coran claimed. .they are safe. In security. I see, in death means safty. ...

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madjnr:
But as the Prophet said in the Hadith above, nothing is Holy about either the Kaaba or the Black Stone. They are not objects of worship. They are only part of Allah Almighty's House of Worship

It was recorded in the Two Sahihs that Abu Dharr said,

"I said, `O Messenger of Allah, which Masjid was the first to be built' He said,
«الْمَسْجِدُ الْحَرَام»

(Al-Masjid Al-Haram.) I said, `Then which' He said,
«بَيْتُ الْمَقْدِس»

(Bayt Al-Maqdis.) I said, `How long between them' He said,
«أَرْبَعُونَ سَنَة»

(Forty years.)'' And Allah says:
﴿إِنَّ أَوَّلَ بَيْتٍ وُضِعَ لِلنَّاسِ لَلَّذِى بِبَكَّةَ مُبَارَكاً﴾

(Verily, the first House (of worship) appointed for mankind was that at Bakkah (Makkah), full of blessing) ﴿3:96﴾ until the end of following two Ayat. Allah says:
﴿وَعَهِدْنَآ إِلَى إِبْرَهِيمَ وَإِسْمَـعِيلَ أَن طَهِّرَا بَيْتِىَ لِلطَّآئِفِينَ وَالْعَـكِفِينَ وَالرُّكَّعِ السُّجُودِ﴾

So who did allah says built the first House of Worship and when was it built?

(and We commanded Ibrahim and Isma`il that they should purify My House for those who are circumambulating it, or staying (I`tikaf), or bowing or prostrating themselves.) ﴿2:125﴾ And Allah says here:
﴿أَن لاَّ تُشْرِكْ بِى شَيْئاً﴾

OK Allah later commanded Abraham and Ishmael to go and purify the house. I see.

(Associate not anything with Me,) meaning, `Build it in My Name Alone.'
﴿وَطَهِّرْ بَيْتِىَ﴾

(and sanctify My House) Qatadah and Mujahid said, "And purify it from Shirk.
﴿لِلطَّآئِفِينَ وَالْقَآئِمِينَ وَالرُّكَّعِ السُّجُودِ﴾

(for those who circumambulate it, and those who stand up, and those who bow, and make prostration (in prayer)) means, `and make it purely for those who worship Allah Alone, with no partner or associate.' What is meant by "those who circumambulate it'' is obvious, since this is an act of worship that is done only at the Ka`bah and not at any other spot on earth.
﴿وَالْقَآئِمِينَ﴾

(and those who stand up) means, in prayer. Allah says:
﴿وَالرُّكَّعِ السُّجُودِ﴾

(and those who bow, and make prostration.)
Tawaf and prayer are mentioned together because they are not prescribed together anywhere except in relation to the House. Tawaf is done around the Ka`bah and prayer is offered facing its direction in the majority of cases, with a few exceptions, such as when one is uncertain of the direction of the Qiblah, during battle and when praying optional prayers while traveling. And Allah knows best.
﴿وَأَذِّن فِى النَّاسِ بِالْحَجِّ﴾

I see, allahh knows best yet there are few exceptions, when one is uncertain of the direction of the Qiblah

(And proclaim to mankind the Hajj) meaning, `announce the pilgrimage to mankind and call them to perform pilgrimage to this House which We have commanded you to build.' It was said that Ibrahim said: "O Lord, how can I convey this to people when my voice will not reach them'' It was said: "Call them and We will convey it.'' So Ibrahim stood up and said, "O mankind! Your Lord has established a House so come on pilgrimage to it.'' It is said that the mountains lowered themselves so that his voice would reach all the regions of the earth, and those who were still in their mothers' wombs and their fathers' loins would hear the call. ((OMG.... ))The response came from everyone in the cities, deserts and countryside, and those whom Allah has decreed will make the pilgrimage, until the Day of Resurrection: "At Your service, O Allah, at Your service.'' This is a summary of the narrations from Ibn `Abbas, Mujahid, `Ikrimah, Sa`id bin Jubayr and others among the Salaf. And Allah knows best. This was recorded by Ibn Jarir and by Ibn Abi Hatim at length.
﴿يَأْتُوكَ رِجَالاً وَعَلَى كُلِّ ضَامِرٍ﴾

So allah is this powerful to make mountains lower themselves, make unborn babies hear Abraham voice in thier mothers womb and in thier fathers loins? yet allah could not sustain the lives of this same people he called to come and worship him in this holy house?

(They will come to you on foot and on every lean camel,) This Ayah was used as evidence by those scholars whose view is that Hajj performed on foot by those who are able, is better than Hajj performed riding, because the phrase "on foot'' is mentioned first, and because it is an indication of their keenness and resolve. Waki` narrated from Abu Al-`Umays from Abu Halhalah from Muhammad bin Ka`b that Ibn `Abbas said, "I do not regret anything except for the fact that I wish I had performed Hajj on foot, because Allah says,
﴿يَأْتُوكَ رِجَالاً﴾

(They will come to you on foot).'' But the majority are of the view that performing Hajj while riding is better, following the example of the Messenger of Allah , because he performed Hajj riding, although his physical ability was sound.
﴿يَأْتِينَ مِن كُلِّ فَجٍّ﴾

Why should Muhammad disobey Allah here? He refused to follow Allah s instructions. ..

(they will come from every Fajj) means every route, as Allah says:
﴿وَجَعَلْنَا فِيهَا فِجَاجاً سُبُلاً﴾

Of course so such brainwashing is needed to rich a country like Saudi. They don't only gain money from this but also they kill the brainwashed fellows who refused to question the koran.

(and We placed therein Fijaj for them to pass) ﴿21:31﴾.
﴿عَميِقٍ﴾

(`Amiq) means dis- tant. This was the view of Mujahid, `Ata', As-Suddi, Qatadah, Muqatil bin Hayan, Ath-Thawri and others. This Ayah is like the Ayah in which Allah tells us how Ibrahim prayed for his family,
﴿فَاجْعَلْ أَفْئِدَةً مَّنَ النَّاسِ تَهْوِى إِلَيْهِمْ﴾

(So fill some hearts among men with love towards them) ﴿14:37﴾. There is no one among the Muslims who does not long to see the Ka`bah and perform Tawaf, people come to this spot from every corner of the world.
﴿لِّيَشْهَدُواْ مَنَـفِعَ لَهُمْ وَيَذْكُرُواْ اسْمَ اللَّهِ فِى أَيَّامٍ مَّعْلُومَـتٍ عَلَى مَا رَزَقَهُمْ مِّن بَهِيمَةِ الاٌّنْعَامِ فَكُلُواْ مِنْهَا وَأَطْعِمُواْ الْبَآئِسَ الْفَقِيرَ - ثُمَّ لْيَقْضُواْ تَفَثَهُمْ وَلْيُوفُواْ نُذُورَهُمْ وَلْيَطَّوَّفُواْ بِالْبَيْتِ الْعَتِيقِ ﴾

(28. That they may witness things that are of benefit to them, ((OMG so its a benefit to die worshiping Allah ?)) mention the Name of Allah on appointed days, over the beast of cattle that He has provided for them. Then eat thereof and feed therewith the poor having a hard time.) (29. Then let them complete their prescribed duties and perform their vows, and circumambulate the `Atiq House.)

Its quit unfortunate we see opposite of all Allah said here. Pilgrims die in Mecca. These promises were never effective. Prove me wrong muslims.

Phame:
Muslims don't worship stone, they worship God.

Why is God killing them for worshiping him?

Muslims bet me. This your thread will end up exposing Muhammed s (SBUH) contradictions agAin. .

You dont worship black stone you worship God Almighty yet no where in the Bible did God/Yahweh kill people who worship him at the spot.. History has shown numbers of death rate in your so-called holiday site. Even your koran said it is a place of security /safty yet people go there to die can't you question the koran for this contradictions ? The qoran declares that this site is the “first House” established for mankind by Abraham and Ishmael but in another verse in the Koran, Muhammad and Abraham were not even from same blood line So whats the link between Muhammad and Abraham ? think of it:




Lo! the first Sanctuary (bayt) appointed for mankind was that at Becca [Mecca], a blessed place, a guidance for mankind; wherein are plain memorials (of God’s guidance); the place where Abraham stood up to pray; and whosoever enters it is safe. And pilgrimage to the House is a duty unto God for mankind, for him who can find a way there. As for him who disbelieves, (let him know that) lo! God is Independent of (all) creatures. [6]

Why are pilgrims dieing in this site? Is this not contradiction? It is supposed to be a safe place no?

truthman2012:
You are very correct, Muhammad was not a descendant of Abraham. Islam is total FALSEHOOD.

They rush in creating thread without proper research of their. Most of thier thread s reveal more contradictions.
When they see its beyond thier power, they throw insults.. just look at this Grave errors. ..

GeneralQuamdeen:
Please, the islamic scholars of Nairaland. I find it embarrassing not to know the meaning of my name. Please, i need a relevant answer and it's urgent, you can also tell me in Yoruba if possible, thank you. No insult please.

You will get more help in the Islamic section. But you should have asked the person that gave you this name.

jcross19:
Most people bearing all those islamic names don't even know the meaning of their names.

Just as they do not have knowledge of the religion. It was forced in the throat of thier ancestors. ..

truthman2012:
Total trash!!

All you have stated is the quran contradicting itself. The Devil is very tricky and clever and it is a pity that muslims have been hypnotized. THE QURAN WOULD SAY SOMETHING IS BLACK IN ONE VERSE AND STILL SAY THE SAME THING IS WHITE IN ANOTHER. The character of the Devil is deception.

Quran 33:43] ''He it is Who
sends blessings on you, as do
His angels, that He may bring
you out from the DEPTH OF DARKNES into Light: and He is
Full of Mercy to the believers''

No matter what definition you give to DARKNESS, the TRUTH remains Muhammad was in it and allahh and his angels are praying to remove him. Darkness cannot mean anything good by any definition. If it is anything good allahh would not be praying to remove him from it.

HOW COULD A TRUE PROPHET BE IN DEPTH OF DARKNESS?

Ask me ooo, they keep blind eyes. Muhammad is the man Satan has used to fight against the Gospel of Jesus Christ. But he is going to fail. Because Jesus has promised this will fail.

mubarakopeyemi:
I have wondered why my people has decided to ignore you. Your ignorance is Legendary. Bred by your hate for Islam. At this juncture i cant waste more energy explaining and explaining again tou you because youre programmed to disagree. No amount of explanation can make you agree. That's how deep you are in the delusion. You can continue to wallow in it Do I seem Fazed??

But this is for

Come back here where you dey run go abo.ki malam salut. ..? .
The OP has asked you crucial questions you are even dulging them. See how we get new contradictions each day in NL... so the koran that claimed Muhammad (sbuh) is a descendant of Ishmael is now saying Muhammad is from a different Descendant ?
If he is Truely a Descendant of Abraham through Ishmael according to coran. Why is Abraham's blessings not ascribed to him? Waoh....OP you are doing a good job. BRAVO!!

mubarakopeyemi:
we dont beg mercy for him. We pray that peace be upon him. and we do it to all our prohpets! how may time will I say this?? are you that daft and have not the sense to reason see my early post on that..

As usual, when the bone hocked his throat. All he does is throw insults. Why don't you look for boko harm and join them..? You must be a good tool for them...

truthman2012:
Jihadist (terrorist), how can you say you don't beg for mercy for him when it is so clear you do?

O god! Have
MERCY on Muhammad and on his
descendants, as you had MERCY
on
Abraham and on his
descendants.”

Are you denying you don't recite that in your solat?

This means muhammed is not even Abraham's descendant. See how they persistently contradict themselves. ... . As you had merci on his descendants. ... waoh.. thank God Muhammad was never Abraham's Descendant. So much Problem in the koran...

Scholar8200:
wə·rā·’î·ṯā 11
וְרָאִיתָ֙ 11
And see 11
Verb 11
7633 [e]
baš·šiḇ·yāh,
בַּשִּׁבְיָ֔ה
among the captives
Noun


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802 [e]
[size=13pt]’ê·šeṯ
אֵ֖שֶׁת
a women
Noun
3303 [e]
[/b]yə·p̄aṯ-
[/size]יְפַת־
beautiful
Adj
8389 [e]
tō·’ar;
תֹּ֑אַר
a beautiful
Noun
2836 [e]
wə·ḥā·šaq·tā
וְחָשַׁקְתָּ֣
and have a desire
Verb

ḇāh,
בָ֔הּ
in
Prep
3947 [e]
wə·lā·qaḥ·tā
וְלָקַחְתָּ֥
that you would have
Verb

lə·ḵā
לְךָ֖
to her
Prep
–
802 [e]
lə·’iš·šāh.
לְאִשָּֽׁה׃
to your

etc

’[size=13pt][b]ê·šeṯ other uses in the Bible , the first mention being Eve:[/size]

HEB: מִן־ הָֽאָדָ֖ם לְאִשָּׁ֑ה וַיְבִאֶ֖הָ אֶל־
NAS: fashioned into a woman the rib
KJV: made he a woman, and brought
INT: from the man A woman and brought to
Genesis 2:21

Genesis 2:23
HEB: לְזֹאת֙ יִקָּרֵ֣א אִשָּׁ֔ה כִּ֥י מֵאִ֖ישׁ
NAS: She shall be called Woman, Because
KJV: shall be called Woman, because she
INT: she shall be called Woman Because of Man

Genesis 2:24
HEB: אִמּ֑וֹ וְדָבַ֣ק בְּאִשְׁתּ֔וֹ וְהָי֖וּ לְבָשָׂ֥ר
NAS: and be joined to his wife; and they shall become
KJV: and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one
INT: and his mother and be joined to his wife shall become flesh

Genesis 2:25
HEB: עֲרוּמִּ֔ים הָֽאָדָ֖ם וְאִשְׁתּ֑וֹ וְלֹ֖א יִתְבֹּשָֽׁשׁוּ׃
NAS: And the man and his wife were both
KJV: the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
INT: naked and the man and his wife and were not ashamed

Genesis 3:1
HEB: וַיֹּ֙אמֶר֙ אֶל־ הָ֣אִשָּׁ֔ה אַ֚ף כִּֽי־
NAS: And he said to the woman, Indeed,
KJV: And he said unto the woman, Yea,
INT: said to the woman Yea for

Genesis 3:2
HEB: וַתֹּ֥אמֶר הָֽאִשָּׁ֖ה אֶל־ הַנָּחָ֑שׁ
NAS: The woman said to the serpent,
KJV: And the woman said unto the serpent,
INT: said the woman to the serpent

Genesis 3:4
HEB: הַנָּחָ֖שׁ אֶל־ הָֽאִשָּׁ֑ה לֹֽא־ מ֖וֹת
NAS: said to the woman, You surely
KJV: said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely
INT: the serpent to the woman not surely

Genesis 3:6
HEB: וַתֵּ֣רֶא הָֽאִשָּׁ֡ה כִּ֣י טוֹב֩
NAS: When the woman saw that the tree
KJV: And when the woman saw that the tree
INT: saw the woman for was good

Genesis 3:8
HEB: וַיִּתְחַבֵּ֨א הָֽאָדָ֜ם וְאִשְׁתּ֗וֹ מִפְּנֵי֙ יְהוָ֣ה
NAS: and the man and his wife hid
KJV: and Adam and his wife hid themselves
INT: hid and the man and his wife the presence of the LORD

Genesis 3:12
HEB: וַיֹּ֖אמֶר הָֽאָדָ֑ם הָֽאִשָּׁה֙ אֲשֶׁ֣ר נָתַ֣תָּה
NAS: The man said, The woman whom You gave
KJV: said, The woman whom thou gavest
INT: said the man the woman whom gave

Genesis 3:13
HEB: יְהוָ֧ה אֱלֹהִ֛ים לָאִשָּׁ֖ה מַה־ זֹּ֣את
NAS: God said to the woman, What is this
KJV: said unto the woman, What [is] this [that] thou hast done?
INT: the LORD God to the woman What hast

Genesis 3:13
HEB: עָשִׂ֑ית וַתֹּ֙אמֶר֙ הָֽאִשָּׁ֔ה הַנָּחָ֥שׁ הִשִּׁיאַ֖נִי
NAS: you have done? And the woman said,
KJV: What [is] this [that] thou hast done? And the woman said,
INT: done said to the woman the serpent me

Genesis 3:15
HEB: בֵּֽינְךָ֙ וּבֵ֣ין הָֽאִשָּׁ֔ה וּבֵ֥ין זַרְעֲךָ֖
NAS: Between you and the woman, And between
KJV: enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed
INT: Between and between and the woman Between your seed

Genesis 3:16
HEB: אֶֽל־ הָאִשָּׁ֣ה אָמַ֗ר הַרְבָּ֤ה
NAS: To the woman He said, I will greatly
KJV: Unto the woman he said, I will greatly
INT: to the woman said will greatly

Genesis 3:17
HEB: שָׁמַעְתָּ֮ לְק֣וֹל אִשְׁתֶּךָ֒ וַתֹּ֙אכַל֙ מִן־
NAS: to the voice of your wife, and have eaten
KJV: unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten
INT: have listened to the voice of your wife eaten from

Genesis 3:20
HEB: הָֽאָדָ֛ם שֵׁ֥ם אִשְׁתּ֖וֹ חַוָּ֑ה כִּ֛י
NAS: called his wife's name
KJV: And Adam called his wife's name Eve;
INT: now the man name his wife's Eve because

Genesis 3:21
HEB: אֱלֹהִ֜ים לְאָדָ֧ם וּלְאִשְׁתּ֛וֹ כָּתְנ֥וֹת ע֖וֹר
NAS: for Adam and his wife, and clothed
KJV: Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD
INT: God Adam and his wife garments of skin

Genesis 4:1
HEB: אֶת־ חַוָּ֣ה אִשְׁתּ֑וֹ וַתַּ֙הַר֙ וַתֵּ֣לֶד
NAS: had relations with his wife Eve,
KJV: Eve his wife; and she conceived,
INT: had Eve his wife conceived and gave

Genesis 4:17
HEB: קַ֙יִן֙ אֶת־ אִשְׁתּ֔וֹ וַתַּ֖הַר וַתֵּ֣לֶד
NAS: had relations with his wife and she conceived,
KJV: knew his wife; and she conceived,
INT: had Cain his wife conceived and gave

Genesis 4:19
HEB: לֶ֖מֶךְ שְׁתֵּ֣י נָשִׁ֑ים שֵׁ֤ם הָֽאַחַת֙
NAS: to himself two wives: the name
KJV: unto him two wives: the name
INT: Lamech two wives the name of the one

Genesis 4:23
HEB: וַיֹּ֨אמֶר לֶ֜מֶךְ לְנָשָׁ֗יו עָדָ֤ה וְצִלָּה֙
NAS: said to his wives, Adah
KJV: said unto his wives, Adah
INT: said Lamech to his wives Adah and Zillah

Genesis 4:23
HEB: שְׁמַ֣עַן קוֹלִ֔י נְשֵׁ֣י לֶ֔מֶךְ הַאְזֵ֖נָּה
NAS: to my voice, You wives of Lamech,
KJV: my voice; ye wives of Lamech,
INT: Listen to my voice wives of Lamech Give

Genesis 4:25
HEB: עוֹד֙ אֶת־ אִשְׁתּ֔וֹ וַתֵּ֣לֶד בֵּ֔ן
NAS: had relations with his wife again;
KJV: knew his wife again;
INT: Adam again his wife gave to a son

Genesis 6:2
HEB: וַיִּקְח֤וּ לָהֶם֙ נָשִׁ֔ים מִכֹּ֖ל אֲשֶׁ֥ר
NAS: and they took wives for themselves, whomever
KJV: and they took them wives of all which they chose.
INT: they took wives all manner they

Genesis 6:18
HEB: אַתָּ֕ה וּבָנֶ֛יךָ וְאִשְׁתְּךָ֥ וּנְשֵֽׁי־ בָנֶ֖יךָ
NAS: you and your sons and your wife, and your sons'
KJV: and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons'
INT: thou and your sons' and your wife wives and your sons'

Genesis 6:18
HEB: וּבָנֶ֛יךָ וְאִשְׁתְּךָ֥ וּנְשֵֽׁי־ בָנֶ֖יךָ אִתָּֽךְ׃
NAS: and your sons' wives with you.
KJV: and thy sons' wives with thee.
INT: and your sons' and your wife wives and your sons' and of

Genesis 7:2
HEB: שִׁבְעָ֖ה אִ֣ישׁ וְאִשְׁתּ֑וֹ וּמִן־ הַבְּהֵמָ֡ה
NAS: a male and his female; and of the animals
KJV: the male and his female: and of beasts
INT: sevens A male and his female and of the animals

Genesis 7:2
HEB: שְׁנַ֖יִם אִ֥ישׁ וְאִשְׁתּֽוֹ׃
NAS: two, a male and his female;
KJV: by two, the male and his female.
INT: two A male and his female

Genesis 7:7
HEB: נֹ֗חַ וּ֠בָנָיו וְאִשְׁתּ֧וֹ וּנְשֵֽׁי־ בָנָ֛יו
NAS: and his sons and his wife and his sons'
KJV: and his sons, and his wife, and his sons'
INT: Noah and his sons and his wife wives and his sons'

Genesis 7:7
HEB: וּ֠בָנָיו וְאִשְׁתּ֧וֹ וּנְשֵֽׁי־ בָנָ֛יו אִתּ֖וֹ
NAS: and his sons' wives with him entered
KJV: and his sons' wives with him, into the ark,
INT: and his sons and his wife wives and his sons' for

Genesis 7:13
HEB: בְּנֵי־ נֹ֑חַ וְאֵ֣שֶׁת נֹ֗חַ וּשְׁלֹ֧שֶׁת
NAS: and Noah's wife and the three
KJV: and Noah's wife, and the three
INT: the sons of Noah wife and Noah's and the three

Genesis 7:13
HEB: נֹ֗חַ וּשְׁלֹ֧שֶׁת נְשֵֽׁי־ בָנָ֛יו אִתָּ֖ם
NAS: and the three wives of his sons
KJV: and the three wives of his sons
INT: and Noah's and the three wives of his sons for

Genesis 8:16
HEB: הַתֵּבָ֑ה אַתָּ֕ה וְאִשְׁתְּךָ֛ וּבָנֶ֥יךָ וּנְשֵֽׁי־
NAS: out of the ark, you and your wife and your sons
KJV: of the ark, thou, and thy wife, and thy sons,
INT: of the ark you and your wife and your sons wives

Genesis 8:16
HEB: וְאִשְׁתְּךָ֛ וּבָנֶ֥יךָ וּנְשֵֽׁי־ בָנֶ֖יךָ אִתָּֽךְ׃
NAS: and your sons' wives with you.
KJV: and thy sons' wives with thee.
INT: and your wife and your sons wives and your sons' for

etc
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/strongs_802.htm
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Now, was Eve a pre-pubescent girl or a woman?

How many men had pre-teens as kids in the Bible that can be established beyond every shadow of doubt?

Apparently the word is used for female only when animals are the reference.

Adam, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David, Job, Solomon, Hosea, all had wives and I am yet to see ANYTHING that remotely implies that their wives were kids!

And why will Moses command something contrary to Deuteronomy? That clearly states that women, not kid-girls, be married?
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This alone refuted the OP. Nice one.

madjnr:
My Christians bros. Over to you

If you are asked to keep something for yourself. You have the choice to use it instantly or keep it for future use. Any sort of use. If God wanted them to commit adultery He would have used words like "go in them" rap them or violate them. But this is not the case. keep for yourselves: either keep them to be handmaids or to be married among them when grown up.

chuna1985:
Well Satanist topics get 5000 replies n Jesus topics get 100 replies.

It is normal, see what Jesus said...


Bible > Matthew > Chapter 7 > Verse 13

◄ Matthew 7:13 ►
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. ]

mubarakopeyemi:
after all you trusted the verse and wanted to use it in the wrong way to justify your false claim. why not use it to justify the fact that he's merely a messenger. yeye dey smell. Such a hypocrite you are.

yes that's why Jesus will come back and destroy addajal and die a natural death which he will buried in the Arabia. And later on judgement day too All shall be dead and Allah shall remain over a period of time.



already dealth with this.

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trash!

Jesus will die? Na waoh for Muhammad ooo...
This Same allah who said the mosque in mecca is the safest place for mankind, yet we see the opposite...


Lo! the first Sanctuary (bayt) appointed for mankind was that at Becca [Mecca], a blessed place, a guidance for mankind; wherein are plain memorials (of God’s guidance); the place where Abraham stood up to pray; and whosoever enters it is safe. And pilgrimage to the House is a duty unto God for mankind, for him who can find a way there. As for him who disbelieves, (let him know that) lo! God is Independent of (all) creatures. [6]

So why do pilgrims always die there?