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Rilwayne001:
What do you want me to refute?

You don't refute it. Its clear they wear the t-shirt to mock...99.9 % of muslims behave like animals. They are like this because they follow the coran's instructions. .

tartar9:
does it looks like he's serious with it? go get a life jobless human

He is mocking! Can't you see his smile? Besides, only a muslim can wear such T-shirt.

tartar9:
stereotyping with one man and one shirt.I could also say he is mourning the event @dunce.

It seems you guys are genetically made to love evil.
Must you defend everything ?

parisbookaddict:
u muslims keep opening one moniker after another.. I remember when u claimed to be leaving nairaland for good ,now u have another moniker.. this is the 4th, yes.. enjoy urself mr muslim

At first he appeared like one gentle m1n pretending not to be aware of the ban of muslims women from touching banana and cucumber. .....

VoslerGrimsbane:
Smh. I swear, the way some people think.... No wonder the world has become what it is today. Smh

Pretend as if you don't know why the world is what it is today. Hagar and Ishmael are the root of the world's problem. Think of it...

fabre4:
A god that thrives on blood of innocent people even his own people how can you die while stoning the devil

I hope @VoslerGrimsbane can ANSWER you...

YourMain:
Dont Waste your time.

No matter what you present, youll never convince them.

And Who do you think he is trying to convince? when your coran is there to validate your acts? We know ISLAM so well.

Theyre too busy being bothered about other religions to perform theirs properly.

And you muslims are busy killing infidels

parisbookaddict:
These muslims think replying with insults means they have refuted or debunked ur comment...so dont be surprised when they make comments like that.. atimes they even post links .. u click to see the refutation amd what u will see are insults...

Instead of them to start questioning the Qur'an for Allah's false guarantee in the holy site in Mecca, they are still defending as if it's a normal to to die in pilgrimage....death is now part of mecca pilgrimage...

madjnr:
Sometimes I think you have an IQ of a stone...

You that have not an IQ of a stone, how can a stone have IQ ? A stone is an object. Abok.i na waoh for you oo..

Cos there's no contradiction there... How does being safe translates to immortality ?are you retarded

Your coran said its a Safe plcae. Now lets see what Safe means. SAFE is "Something or someone good"
How does the death of the pilgrims not contradicts the coran's claim ?  If tragic happens there almost each Hajj, then it's not a safe place as the coran claimed.

Again, according to Allah:

 
"And (remember) when We made the House (Ka'bah at Mecca) a place of resort to mankind and a place of safety. And take you (people) the maqam(place) of Abraham(or the stone on which Abraham stood while he was building the Ka'abah) as a place of prayer". (Al-Baqarah:125).



At the bold. Has Allah not lied? How safe is Mecca?
Lets see what SAFTY MEANS:

Safety is the condition of avoiding causing or feeling hurt, injury or loss. An example of such a meaning would be “I feel safe around him”, meaning that a person feels like she is avoiding feeling hurt or getting injured when another person is being present, who provides that feeling of protection. the pilgrims that died never felt safe. If not they wouldnt have died in such a manner and in a so-called holy festival. Think of it...

yazach:
Are you speaking

Answer the question. ...

VoslerGrimsbane:
Lol! I see you've resulted to insults now.

Oh if you take it as insult, forgive me..

Does it hurt you to see that allah is insulted? Do you feel the same when someone is beheaded just because he speaks the truth? If allah is so powerful. Muslims will not be fightin to save his name. Allah could have be fighting for him/itself to prove he is the true God. But has never proved himself. See Muhammad died of food poison allah could make him see this vision , pilgrims die each year, alla have is no where to be found. Muslims are migrating in countries allah called infidels . Think of it

Btw, you should be asking the imam who said that where he came up with that, not Muslims. That's his practice, not that of muslims.

He is a muslim like you. An imam for that matter.. anyway he was only acting like Muhammad na. Nothing strange.

Islam is Perfect, Muslims are not!

Islam perfection is ordering muslims to kill. Is this how you define perfect?

VoslerGrimsbane:
So in other words the Jews are also going to hell. Yet you use them as a model for example? It seems in all of your analysis, Islam stands out.

Jesus never said the Jews were worshipping another god. He only tried to make the Pharisees refrain from thier self-righteousNess and understand that they were making the law too heavy for men. He rebuked thier evil deeds as well.. If they were not worshiping Yahweh he would have also Told them. See what he said.


John 4:22 ►
You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews


Take note of the bold. Salvation is from the Jews not from Muhammad (Sbuh). Arab.

And:
Mathew 23:27-
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which appear beautiful on the outside, but inside are full of dead men's bones and every impurity.

28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
29 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.

30And you say, 'If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets

32 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets

33 Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started

34 "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?

35
Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.

36
And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

37 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation .

So in other words the Jews are also going to hell.

Jesus said it. Those who rejected his gospel rejected his Father. I used the Jews as an example to prove to you that. The God they save has never killed them during worship. Or any of thier festive period. This happens only in Islam.

sonofananimal:
good, good! You said it but if it is your time to get married, you will be the first to shout let us do it in the church.

I do hope you will live up to want you said.

I am married. But didn't do any church stuff. The traditional is what the bible made me understand its mandatory. The court one is advised pending on the country you live. Some country. Court is recongnised as the only legal marriage. And the Apostles Paul said we should obey such laws as long as they are not opposing God's law.

dre11:
http://leadership.ng/news/471538/kill-joy-church-aborts-couples-wedding-over-grooms-refusal-to-remove-designer-shoes

A lesson for those who thinks a blessed marriage is only that which was conducted in the Church. It sarve them right..

DuchessLily:
But what kind of rule is that? On his big day?? how is what he is wearing on his feet affecting then pastor/church?

Haba! Even deeper life church won't give such rule

Anyways I blame the bride and groom for doing their wedding in such a church

Does the bible even state that Abraham, Moses. I mean any biblical figure married in the house of God?.someone should give me the scriptures to back it. I learn everyday. I just think We are practising men traditions. People like to show up and claiming they are giving thanks to God. Like the child dedication stuff. Nigerians have turn it to a party boom thing. We know Jesus was taken to the Temple for prayers. But we were not told his parents carried canopies after to party like it is done today...
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Richirich713:
Still not telling us who the "us" is.

My brother, the thing is not easy for them to explain na. @OLaagbo said. It's beyond man understanding..
Yet they teach it..

malvisguy212:
John 14:9
Jesus answered: "Don't you know me,
Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

People find it had to believe that God himself come down to have a special relationship with his creatures, they find this had to believe. From the beginning, God walk with adam and eve, God had a special relationship with them, after the fall of man, this relationship size. But to reconcile us back to Himself, He came down has a incarnate just to relate with us.

My broda, Will you blame anyone for this?The Bible itself never records Jesus saying the precise words, “I am God.” and the bible never said the Messiah will be God. God told Moses that He will send a prophet like Him. If you say Jesus is God, then Moses is also God? Did God later change his mind to come in human form.Why should God come by himself when He has always send down prophets. If you were a Jew that believed your God cannot be seems and Someone came and starts telling you mystery to making you believe, God can be seen, can die, Can be tempted. Etc. Sounding contradictory to what you believed. Will you easily accept/believe such? If God had wanted man to know He is Jesus, I think He would have done it. Just my point anyway..

KingEbukasBlog:
Jesus and Yahweh are separate beings but are one .

One as in?

The questions are not intelligent ,no not one bit . He keeps asking the same questions all over again . I told Dolphinheart that the trinity are separate entities/beings and he now asked if they (Jesus and Yahweh) are two different persons in heaven

Was that not an intelligent question? It seems you finds it difficult to answer. Why do men complicate what Jesus made easy for us? Please answer him. I too would like to know.

You all are filled with misconceptions and even though the trinity concept has been elucidated , you guys are still obdurate about your opinion.

Christ didn't want you to over stress your brain to make someone understand him and His Father's relationship. You are the one adding so much to this and making it look like the pagan god system. Hear oh Israel the lord our God.........is [size=16pt]1[/size] not Three making 1.

I've used the government to explain , I used a scenario to explain, I quoted scriptures , yet nothing .

You see, if an Atheist want to accept Christ. Your trinity theory will Mk him confused. Simplicity is the gospel of the Good news.

Its so exasperating discussing issues like this with atheists and non - Christians .

True talk. But it's very easy to tell Atheists how Jesus love them and how God sent him to come and die for thier sins. Jesus was a messanger/prophet, son of Yahweh. the Messiah. Just a the OT TOLD us. And Chris also confirmed these in the NT. Why adding too much signification...

KingEbukasBlog:
Do angels have the dexterity to create life forms or the contents of the universe ? No ! They simply witnessed creation .

I never said angels created man. I know that when God said let us. Sure the Angels were among the "us" you said the 3 were present. So the holy spirit to is a person to you?

Even in verse 2 of Genesis chapter 1 as I earlier pointed out , the Spirit of God ( Holy Spirit ) moved upon the surface of the waters .

Is the holy spirit a person? Where was Lucifer during this period? Is he among the " let Us? Several OT made us know That God/Yahweh usually send an Angel to follow the Israelites wen they were in the wilderness. This is not an ordinary Angel. Because Gods name was in Him. The New Testament made it clear that. That very Angel was Christ. What do you have to say about this?

VoslerGrimsbane:
Loooool!!! What now? I can't tell if you're joking or if a pastor has raped your brain so bad you don't realise the depths of your stupidity! Seriously! Forbidden to eat what now?

I swear! You infidels won't kill me with laughter! Loooooool!

Keep laughing at Allah stupidity how does this make a woman have sexual desire?

VoslerGrimsbane:
Lol! Who gives a rats bum what you infidels do. You're all going to the same place

Mind you. Just as you call the Jews and Christians infidels. So we see you as UN unbelieve. Those who reject Christ crucifixion rejects the one true God. Cause there is no other means we can be saved but by Jesus. Joseph smith, Buddha, Muhammad etcetc are all false prophets according to the bible..

I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE, NO MAN COMETH UNTO THE FATHER (YAHWEH) BUT BY ME.

Said Jesus.

VoslerGrimsbane:
Lol! Are blind or has your stupidity reached that debt? The verse said Ka'abah, the pilgrims didnt die there! Wtf are you saying? Even if they did it shouldn't be an issue. But they didn't. Smh. "From Allah we are and to him we shall return"

They died in your holiest site why stoning Satan stop deceiving yourself. Allah has lied...

Pr0ton:
It's not just a particular unified aspect that makes them God. Verses in the Bible including John 1:1 don't give them the name God because of an aspect, but because they obviously say they are Gods in the real sense.. the word was with God and the word was God..

At the bold. Two Gods in this Verse. one was with the other one, this same one is also Called God .

KingEbukasBlog:
All three were present . Lemme show you :

Genesis 1 : 2
Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

Genesis 1 : 26

26 Then God said, ‘Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.’

Don't you Think the Angels were among when God said "Let Us"? Why do you think it was only the "3" that were present?
The bible told us God created the angels before he created the physical universe. Job describes the angels worshipping God as He was creating the world:

“Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it? On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone - while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?” (Job 38:4-7).

If we consider the function of angels, we might conclude that God created the angels just prior to the creation of mankind because one of their duties is to be “ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation” (Hebrews 1:14). We also know they existed prior to the Garden of Eden, because Satan, who was formerly the angel Lucifer, was already present in the Garden in his fallen state. However, because another function of angels is to worship God around His throne (Revelation 5:11-14), they may have been in existence millions of years—as we reckon time—before God created the world, worshipping Him and serving Him.

dolphinheart:
@ kingEbukasBlog

1 . I asked you :
Is the father and Jesus two
different persons in heaven or
exist as one person?

You answered


I did not ask you about entity or entitities, I asked about person(s)
......................................


I asked you :
So anybody that says "I am is
god abi? If not, then saying "i
Am" does not prove you are god.
By the way, I want you to point
out where the holy spirit said " I am".
You answered :


Bro, my question is clear enough!
.......................................

I asked you :
So when Jesus ascended to
heaven and god told him to sit at his right hand, was god talking to himself? Or was he conversing with the other person of the same person in another dimension?

You answered :


Bro, ur answers are off the mark!

Very intelligent questions.
It's so clear Jesus and Yahweh are not same. The I AM theory trinitarians are using is not valid. Its like everyone that use the word "I AM" will automatically be God.

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I have not seen any verse where the Holy spirit says "I AM" hope to see such soon if anyone can provide it.

If God asked Jesus to seat at his right hand it means they are seperated body. I can picture Two seats here. God was already sitting. Jesus was still standing then God asked him to Sit at his right side. No wonder Jesus will Hand over the Kingdom to The Father.

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malvisguy212:
Jesus is God,
And He has always been God. There was NEVER a time that the bible indicate Jesus BECAME God ,for God is eternal He had always been in existence from the beginning,BUT the bible say He became MAN. So what does it mean that Jesus became man ?
It doesent mean Jesus STOP being
God, NO!! Rather Jesus add human nature to His divinity,Jesus did not give up any of his divinity in the incarnation,

“Remaining what he was, he became what he was not.” Christ “was NOT now God minus some elements of his deity, but God PLUS all that he had made his own by taking manhood to Himself ”Thus , Jesus did not give up any of his divine attributes at the incarnation. He remained in full possession of all of them. For if he were to ever give up any of his divine attributes, he would cease being God.

Jesus has TWO nature ,fully God and fully Man. The fact that Jesus is truly and fully human is clear from the fact that he has a human body (Luke 24:39), a human mind (Luke 2:52), and a human soul (Matthew 26:38). Jesus does not just look like a man.He does not just have some aspects of what is essential for true humanity but not others.Rather, he possess full humanity. And the book of colossian indicate Jesus is fully God.

“For in him all the FULLNESS OF DEITY dwells in BODILY FORM” (Colossians 2:9).

Did he taught his disciples He was thier God or he taught them His God is also thier God?

Richirich713:
Instead of addressing the verses malvisguy212 posted , people are giving their illustrations of wat the trinity is.

No1 telling us who is the "us" or y jesus used "name" singular.

Are you saying there were only Three present during the creation?

Can you show me any verse where Jesus told his disciples to go preach that God is three in One?

VoslerGrimsbane:
And yet you reiterate the very things I debunked. I forgot how silly it is arguing with you christians here. Im not new here, I just decided to permanently quit the charade. Lool! So NO! I'm not about to start a debate with you, because I know how it always ends. After your claims are thoroughly debunked and you have been shown your errors, two days later you shamefully bring up the same thing in a different thread.


Noooooo thank you!!!!!

How did you debunked this? You coran claimed Mecca is a blessed place and a place of guidance for mankind. And even went far in saying it's a place of safty. But history had proved this wrong. Allah as lied. Keep running away. The truth will continue to hunt you lieing muslims. .

[size=14pt] 2015
September 24: A stampede during the "stoning of the devil" ritual in Mina, near Mecca, leaves at least 453 people dead and 719 injured.
September 11: 109 people are killed and hundreds injured, including many foreigners, when a crane collapses on Mecca's Grand Mosque after strong winds and heavy rain.
2006

January 6: 76 people die when a hotel collapses in the city center.
January 12: 364 pilgrims are killed in a stampede during the stoning ritual in Mina.
2005

January 22: Three pilgrims are crushed to death in a stampede at the stoning ceremony in Mina.
2004

February 1: 251 people are killed in a stampede at Mina.
2003

February 11: 14 faithful, including six women, die on the first day of the stoning ritual.
2001

March 5: 35 pilgrims, including 23 women, die at the ritual in Mina.
1998

April 9: More than 118 people are killed and 180 injured in a stampede at Mina.
1997

April 15: A fire caused by a gas stove rips through a camp housing pilgrims at Mina, killing 343 and injuring around 1,500.
1995

May 7: Three people die and 99 are injured when a fire breaks out at the Mina camp.

1994

May 24: 270 people are killed in a stampede during the stoning, an incident authorities attribute to "record numbers" of pilgrims at the site.[/size]

VoslerGrimsbane:
Lol! They did die worshipping your god(s) did they not?


Sanctuary doesn't mean that physical harm can't come to you and frankly the fact that you interprete it as such is quite funny. I also knew Christians would try to exploit that tragedy, apparently this is the shape it carries. I think it's more of a spiritual sanctuary. And btw, this shows further ignorance on your end, the verse you quoted speaks of the Ka'abah and not the whole of Mecca, the pilgrims didn't die in the Ka'abah, they died at a different site.

Where do you get these silly claims from.

Christians don't stampede on Easter Sunday (holiest day).

Jews don't stampede on Yom Kippur (holiest day).

Muslims do stampede on Hajj ("holiest" day).

VoslerGrimsbane:
If only this is the lesson you learn from me, I'll count it as a blessing from the Almighty.


Who really is responsible for the 911 attacks? I suggest you ask even the Americans of their opinion. Not saying so called muslims done commit heinous crimes in the name of islam, but 911 is not one of them. Even the dumbest American vested in this topic will tell you that.

Islam is stop lieing...

VoslerGrimsbane:
Lol! They did die worshipping your god(s) did they not?


Sanctuary doesn't mean that physical harm can't come to you and frankly the fact that you interprete it as such is quite funny. I also knew Christians would try to exploit that tragedy, apparently this is the shape it carries. I think it's more of a spiritual sanctuary. And btw, this shows further ignorance on your end, the verse you quoted speaks of the Ka'abah and not the whole of Mecca, the pilgrims didn't die in the Ka'abah, they died at a different site.

Where do you get these silly claims from.

"And (remember) when We made the House (Ka'bah at Mecca) a place of resort to mankind and a place of safety. And take you (people) the maqam(place) of Abraham(or the stone on which Abraham stood while he was building the Ka'abah) as a place of prayer". (Al-Baqarah:125).



At the bold. Has allah not lied? How safe is Mecca? A holy site is supposed to be a place of total security from above. Not even man security. Allah is wooden god. No power. And Satan is alla.h because those who died at the holy site where stoning Satan. .