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Richirich713:
No I ain't ignoring that cuz that agree with the trinity. Just like the following verse shows:

Then you will know that the YAHWEH Almighty HAS SENT ME. Shout and be glad, O Daughter of Zion. FOR I AM COMING, AND I WILL LIVE AMONG YOU,’ declares YAHWEH. ‘Many nations will be joined with YAHWEH in that day and will become MY people. I WILL LIVE AMONG YOU [/b]and you will know that [b]YAHWEH Almighty HAS SENT ME to you.(Zechariah 2:7-13)

Again agreeing with me, here Yahweh sends Yahweh which can only mean God send a manifestation of himself to his people.

Richirich713:
That means jesus must be GOD!

Cuz only God is eternal. Thank u for agreeing with The true christian views of jesus.

Richirich713:
Catholics didn't created the doctrine of the trinity.

If they did I wonder why Justin Martyr (100-165). Who knew the disciples of the apostles of jesus thought jesus was God.

And why Ignatius of Antioch (A.D. 35-110) who knew the disciples of jesus also thought jesus was God.

Clement of Rome (A.D. ?-101) Also knew paul and Peter agrees with the trinity

So saying that the catholic church invented the trinity is a false statement cuz those who were disciples of the apostles of jesus believe jesus was God, jesus apostles believed jesus was God.

Richirich713:
Well that's according to u not the bible.

The bible says the Angel is God, the bible says the Angel is the God of the prophets, the bible says:

See, I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you along the way and to bring you to the place I have prepared. Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, SINCE MY NAME IS IN HIM. (Exodus 23:20-21).

Since when do created beings have the authority to forgive sins or since wen does God say his name is in a created unperfect being.

Richirich713:
Quoting verses showing jesus was human proves nothing cuz u ignoring all the verses which portray jesus as God.

Isaiah 42:8—“I am the LORD, that is My name; 
I will not give My glory to another

Yet

John 17:5—“Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was[b].”

Revelation 1:8[b]"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

Yet

Revelation 1:17-18 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.

All this is just ignored by unitarians cuz it does not support their views.

Jozzy4:
Just listen to yourself . Not an angel o , yet the angel .



So Yahweh is an angel ?

Richirich713:
That's the problem wit u so called christians. U pick nd choose.

Again if jesus was not the true God, he should have not have allowed people to call him God.

Since he allowed people to call him God either shows he was God in the flesh or was a false prophet who deceive many.

He should not be taking titles of God for himself.

He should not have been telling his disciples to pray to him.

Jozzy4:
That means they are not equal !!! Do you agree that the Father is THE God of Jesus ?



Authority ! That means Jesus is subjected to his commands .



Explain what you mean here ?

malvisguy212:
MUHAMMAD THE LIAR
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59,
Number 369:
Narrated Jabir bin ‘Abdullah: Allah’s
Apostle said, “Who is willing to kill
Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah
and His Apostle?” Thereupon
Muhammad bin Maslama got up
saying, “O Allah’s Apostle! Would you
like that I kill him?” The Prophet said,
“Yes,” Muhammad bin Maslama
said, “THEN ALLOW ME TO SAY A FALSE THING (i.e. to deceive Kab).” THE PROPHET SAY, “YOU MAY SAY IT.”

Would the true God Allow his prophet to lied?here what the word of God say about lying:
Psalms 119:163 I hate and abhor lying:
but your law do I love.

Proverbs 12:22 Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that
deal truly are his delight.

Proverbs 13:5 A righteous man hates
lying: but a wicked man is loathsome,
and comes to shame.

Proverbs 14:5 A faithful witness will not
lie: but a false witness will utter lies.

Muhammed is a false witness.

Redoil:
you people will not allow us preach to you in your islam for Muslim section but you are here posting poo.

Annunaki:
Quoran 9:5

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

Demmzy15:
How's that a threat?!

Demmzy15:
Good! I thought you wanted to, or you could tell your Jesus to force me if you want?!



Lmao!! This exactly is what plainbib-letruth does whenever he's refuted, joking around so as to look genuine. Nevertheless, saying doesn't change the fact that your deception has been exposed. In fact what's more idolatry than worshipping a 3 headed dog you call a god! Very pathetic!



Mr. Woman I asked an honest question, how did Paul convert?! Present to us his conversion stories, stop beating around the Bush.

Concerning the verses you quoted, Islam doesn't preach the gospel, Paul was addressing it to other disciples of Jesus like Peter, James, etc. The man was so desperate he had problems with other disciples and he began to compare himself with them. Again I ask you how did Paul convert?!



Yes Jesus destroyed many souls, remember Jesus is god so before he descended to earth he was a god who commanded wars and told his jihadists to kill innocent men, women, bash heads of infants on rocks, tear open pregnant women, etc. Jesus even went as far as telling biblical moses to save 32 virgins for him! You can show me how I tried to defend terrorists!



Pathetic loser!




Show us more liar, if indeed Muslims wanted to force convert I think we would have populated more than half the world's population. The largest Muslim country Indonesia, can you tell me the Muslim Army that went there and forced Islam?!
 


Here's the hadith in full:

Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 643: Narrated Qais:
Jarir said "Allah's Apostle said to me, "Won't you relieve me from Dhul-Khalasa?" I replied, "Yes, (I will relieve you)." So I proceeded along with one-hundred and fifty cavalry from Ahmas tribe who were skillful in riding horses. I used not to sit firm over horses, so I informed the Prophet of that, and he stroke my chest with his hand till I saw the marks of his hand over my chest and he said, O Allah! Make him firm and one who guides others and is guided (on the right path).' Since then I have never fallen from a horse. Dhul-l--Khulasa was a house in Yemen belonging to the tribe of Khatham and Bajaila, and in it there were idols which were worshipped, and it was called Al-Ka'ba." Jarir went there, burnt it with fire and dismantled it. When Jarir reached Yemen, there was a man who used to foretell and give good omens by casting arrows of divination. Someone said to him. "The messenger of Allah's Apostle is present here and if he should get hold of you, he would chop off your neck." One day while he was using them (i.e. arrows of divination), Jarir stopped there and said to him, "Break them (i.e. the arrows) and testify that None has the right to be worshipped except Allah, or else I will chop off your neck." So the man broke those arrows and testified that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah. Then Jarir sent a man called Abu Artata from the tribe of Ahmas to the Prophet to convey the good news (of destroying Dhu-l-Khalasa). So when the messenger reached the Prophet, he said, "O Allah's Apostle! By Him Who sent you with the Truth, I did not leave it till it was like a scabby camel." Then the Prophet blessed the horses of Ahmas and their men five times.

Prophet (peace be upon him) said this for house of an idol because in (Dhul khalsa) Kuffar and Polytheists made conspiracies against Islam, They made plans how to harm Prophet (peace be upon him)... They showed their enemity against Islam in every way, So to make the environment peaceful this was necessary. Islam never orders to dismantle the places of worship of other Religion and Nations in the time of Peace, During the time of Umar (RadhiAllahanho), He saved Churches of Dhimmi (one with whom we have a contract or treaty) Jews and Christians.
Commentary of Sahih Bukhari Vol 5 Page 576 by Muhammad Dawud Raaz (Rah)(Markazi Jamiyat Ahlul hadeeth hind)

bashbabe2:
We know most of the christians on here don't have anything reasonable, meaningful, truthful to say but they are good at many things though like copying and pasting, lying, arguing no matter the evidence, insulting, hypocrisy, throwing tantrums like kids, immaturity. You can read frustrations written all over thier post.sorry guys you lose yet again.

lexiconkabir:
[size=18pt]3year and 1day old baby girl is ready for sex, so says your buybull[/size], with what you've done, you now have my eyes on you, whenever you see me on a thread just disappear, because i will make you look like a fool, you hear me(hey, dont pee on your pants, its just an e-threat )!

lexiconkabir:
you are quoting me now, because you feel i wont reply, just as how i ignored your trash at some thread? what a clown you are , how many times do i have to tell you fool that the god of the jews that didnt know if ithra(jethra) is an ishmaelite or an isrealite is not Allah? the same god of the jews that says [size=21pt]3year and 1 day old baby girl is ready for sex?[/size] the god of the jews is so so confused and a pedophile.

Your idol god is the confused child molest. Thesame God of the Jews that gave the prophecies in the bible/Torah Muhammad has used to taged himself and fabricated Islam. What a confused Allah is!

Mohammed did that to aisha and the muslims in Kano are following this example. Finger your daughters muslims and come here to display yourselves. I dont have time to qoute all your trashes. ....MAN

Empiree:
You brothers still trying to make these nitwits to comprehend? . Lots of work it is.

Anyways, is this a brand new ifeann-like, plappville?.

Demmzy15:
plappville please be more specific about this story, it's blind. You mentioned Malik, who is he?! Malik son of who?! Father of whom?! I can't explain it without knowing it's full details, please when you're doing that, don't lie!

What's the meaning of the underlined?!

Demmzy15:
If I may ask you, what did Elijah do to teenagers who were teasing him?! When the Prophet took over Makkah, he forgave all the people and asked 9-10 to be executed. If it were to be biblical Moses, he would have destroyed the whole city, raped, bashed infants head on rocks and kept some virgins for Jesus but the Prophet did none of this but forgave thousands and dealt with only 4. Here's the reason why he executed them:

Abdul Uzza bin Khatal who after converting to Islam killed his helper’s slave and was unrepentant of what he had committed and became an apostate. Miqyas bin Sababa, after accepting blood money from Muhammad (pbuh), and forgiveness to the person who had killed his brother Hisham, still took vengeful action and became a murderer and an apostate. Likewise, Huwairith and a female singer were put to death as well.

This had nothing to do with forced conversion because many left when the Muslims entered and the Prophet commanded that none should be fought except if the Muslims are attacked first.



This is what I call deception, Look at how you trim a full hadith just to suit your perverted and twisted meanings. Here's the hadith in full:

It has been narrated on the authority of Anas that, on the Day of Hunain. Umm Sulaim took out a dagger she had in her possession. Abiu Talha saw her and said: Messenger of Allah, this is Umm Sulaim. She is holding a dagger. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) asked (her): What for are you holding this dagger? She said: I took it up so that I may tear open the belly of a polytheist who comes near me. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) began to smile (at these words). She said: Messenger of Allah, kill all those people-other than us-whom thou hast declared to be free (on the day of the Conquest of Mecca). (They embraced Islam because) they were defeated at your hands (and as such their Islam is not dependable). The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Umm Sulaim. God is sufficient (against the mischief of the polytheists) and He will be kind to us (so you need not carry this dagger).

How's this a forced conversion?! Oh! I've forgotten Paul told you to lie, very pathetic Pauline!



How's this a forced conversion, after a battle a captive was killed even after he said the Kalamah and the Prophet rebuked Usamah. You're presenting as if Muslims just found men and women on the road and force them to accept Islam! Nothing as this, notice that the context always referred to wars and you seriously don't expect that captives won't be executed or freed. Abeg use your sense!

The Messenger of Allah may peace be upon him) sent us to Huraqat, a tribe of Juhaina. We attacked that tribe early in the morning and defeated them and I and a man from the Ansar caught hold of a person (of the defeated tribe). When we overcame him, he said: There is no god but Allah. At that moment the Ansari spared him, but I attacked him with my spear and killed him. The news had already reached the Apostle (peace be upon him), so when we came back he (the Apostle) said to me: Usama, did you kill him after he had made the profession: There is no god but Allah? I said. Messenger of Allah, he did it only as a shelter. The Holy Prophet observed: Did you kill him after he had made the profession that there is no god but Allah? He (the Holy Prophet) went on repeating this to me till I wished I had not embraced Islam before that day.



Narrated 'Amr bin Taghlib:
Allah's Apostle gave (gifts) to some people to the exclusion of some others. The latter seemed to be displeased by that. The Prophet said, "I give to some people, lest they should deviate from True Faith or lose patience, while I refer other people to the goodness and contentment which Allah has put in their hearts, and 'Amr bin Taghlib is amongst them." 'Amr bin Taghlib said, "The statement of Allah's Apostle is dearer to me than red camels."
Narrated Al-Hasan: 'Amr bin Taghlib told us that Allah's Apostle got some property or some war prisoners and he distributed them in the above way (i.e. giving to some people to the exclusion of others) .

How does the hadith refer to the gibberish you wrote above?! Stop the deception, you just drop anything your shallow brain thinks of, at least do some filtering. What's the meaning of the garbage you've written now?!



Whatever boko-are-rams are doing has no correlation with Islam, this is the problem of basing your research on Islamophobic websites. I don't know why the growth of Islam is affecting you guys, the fake truthman(2012) created a thread about Islam's growth in Nigeria, but the dunce doesn't know that it's the fastest in the world in terms of conversion and mortality. In fact the mortality rate of Islam is just a little above that of Christianity, so stop wailing and embrace the truth.

Demmzy15:
I said not now or you want to force me?!

I need no one to verify or validate the Prophet's message because all he said can't be from a man but from the One True Almighty Allah. A Christian during the time of Prophet Muhammad knew he was the expected Prophet, so no need to blab about something you'll never know.

Concerning Paul, I know you're already shaking so lemme be nice on you. Firstly, how did Paul convert?!

Are you confused or what, what concerns hadith and Catholic. Oh! You're trying to defend Christians eating dead bodies of Muslims right?! Sorry to break it to you, this event happened in the 11-12th century while Catholic and Protestant nonsense was in the 15th century. So those who partook in the grievous crime were all Christians.

Abu Sufyan before he became a Muslim was one of the most vicious and severe enemy of the Prophet Muhammad, he contributed to killing of Muslims and taking over their properties. His enmity to the Prophet (p) degenerated into full scale war against him on the field of battle. He would also make fun of him with his tongue at public gatherings. Ali advised him to apologize to the Prophet for his wrongdoings and he complied. In fact his wife who ate the heart of Prophet Muhammad's Uncle became a Muslim.

Of course, if a conversion is forced it is not going to be a faithful “conversion”. Abu Sufyan’s conversion was sincere, so much so that he even put his life on the line by standing firm in protecting the Prophet (p) in the Battle of Hunayn.

When Abu Sufyan was about to die, he was recorded to have said:

Abu Ishaq As-Sibai said: when Abu Sufyan bin Al Harith bin Abdul Muttalib approached his death he said “Do not weep over my death for since I became a Muslim, I have not been tarnished”
Sa’d Yusuf Abu Aziz, Men and Women around the Messenger (p), Darussalam, 2009, p284

Does this look like forced conversion to you? A man who fought for Islam afterwards in which he lost his two eyes. After the Prophet died, he was the Governor Of Najran. Better come up with something better!

Visitor700:
In islam, violence by any group against the authority is completely rejected.

It is narrated from 'Abdullāh ibn al-'Abbās: that the Prophet said: "If someone dislikes his ruler, he must be patient, because if he comes against the ruler in a rebellious or destructive manner by only a handspan and dies, he dies in a state of pre-Islamic ignorance (jāhilīyyah) and sin."

Hudhayfa bin al-Yaman narrated a hadith in which he said: The Prophet said, “there will be after me leaders who do not follow my guidance and do not follow my Sunnah, and there will be among them men whose hearts are like those of Satan in the body of a human being.” And I asked the Prophet , “What I should do at that time if I reach it?” He said, “listen and obey the ruler, even if he lashed your back and took your money, listen and obey."

The Prophet (salallaahu 'alaihi wasallam) was asked regarding the unjust rulers. Awf bin Mālik: said, “O Prophet of Allah, do you recommend that we fight them?” He said, “No, don't fight them as long as they do not prevent you from your prayers. And if you see from them something that you dislike, dislike their acts, do not dislike them. And do not take your hand out from obedience to them."

muslims are prohibited from taking up arms against the authority. These terrorists are not true muslims and so they do not represent the true teachings of Islam.

lexiconkabir:
No! the god of the jews is not the creator of the universe, you are defending the same jews that called your god(Jesus) and his mother fraudsters? same god of the jews that didn't know if ithra(jethra) was an Ishmaelite or an Israelite(2samuel17:25 versus 1chronicles2:17), you are a confused mofo! :-/



Allah does not like the smell of suya, so he is not the god of the jews.



yes!



dumb!



super dumb!



The bitter truth here is the god of the jews is a confused being, he knows next to nothing! dont be ignorant, the earlier you know, the better for you.



of course! Allah dont like the smell of suya



how foolish of you.



you've not made sense for once, i don't expect you to be sensible now. :-/



a long gone issue sent to the trash by nairaland muslims including myself, unlike the issue of mary at age 12 marrying 90year old joseph, ofcourse they co-habited after the birth of jesus, which you guys havent been brave enough to tackle, bunch of cowards!

now all you did was to run away from your problems that i created for you, and i will keep haunting you with it

here are your problems:-

[size=21pt]
(1)Is Rabbit is ruminant?

(2)Does the earth stay still?

(3)Does God regrets and gets troubled?

(4)Are parents allowed to stick their thumb into the v'agina of their daughters to prove her virginity?

note: your bible has the answer to the above questions, you know what i mean
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lexiconkabir:
which other religion apart from islam talks about jesus? the jews takes jesus and his mother as fraudsters, here you are ranting if isreal knew Allah! [size=18]why did your god ask parents to prove virginity by sticking their thumbs into the v'agina of their daughters?[/size] and why do your god regrets and gets troubled? why did your god said the earth does not move? *spits*

sportsmaster:
to avoid arguements and unnecessary exegesis, lemme change it to "WORD"

just quickly look at 1Timothy3:16,
John 1:1-3,14.Colossians2:9,

Repentance96:
I don't know if you are a believer of the unseen or not, but the religious followers of Abraham (AS) believe in an afterlife where we can meet those before us and those after us if God wills to, and we also believe in the truth of Revelation and in Prophets and their ability to have some firsthand knowledge of the unseen by the permission of Allah.

sportsmaster:
There are many scenarios that look as if they contradict each other in the four Gospels. i.e Mattew,Mark,Luke,John.

Examples,
Jesus Geneaology,Times(some events happened during the day,some at night).

But if we get a deep understanding of the four Gospels.
The four Gospels were written for only these purposes.i.e

"the word was made flesh and dwelt amongst Us,and the events of redemption i.e the death,burial and resurrection of Christ".

Many atheists and unbelievers are quick to tackle us Christians with these contradictions.

How to explain it is simple.

The four Gospels are eye-witnesses accounts, i.e they wrote what they saw or heard.


For example:-
three eyewitnesses at the same event will not give exactly the same account of the what happened. But there will be a lot of similarities in their accounts.

The facts still remain the same that
1)God became flesh and dwelt amongst Us.

2)He died,he was buried and the rose again on the third day.

These facts still remain intact.Every other thing is secondary.

Hope we are clear?
We win!
Remain Blessed!.

Cc winner01,malvisguy212,