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osesology:
I thought the Bible said that David cut off Goliath's head with his own sword? Then why am I seeing a complete human skeleton, with his head still attached? Or where there two goliaths?

Empiree:
Honestly, i think i am done talking to you. You are not here for intellectual and textual discourse. You are here only to say and defend wicked people base on how you feel about them. I keep throwing the question to you but you simply ignore. I asked you and others to differentiate btw being a Jew(tribe) and religion(Judaism). You have failed over. What I was trying to make you understand is that:



*Allah has never chosen any people because of any racial or ethnical entity but he chose certain people because of Islam.

*Children of Israel, when they followed Islam, they were the best nation; they were Muslims but others were Mushriks or Kafirs.

*The Holy Land is blessed because of being the place of Allah's Messengers and His Message. Descendants of Jacob, among whom are Moses, David, Solomon and `Isa (Jesus) who are holy prophets, so they can fit the Holy Land.

*The Qur'an addressed earlier the followers of Moses to liberate the Holy Land, they were afraid to get into the Holy Land and they made an excuse for not restoring that land because they believed that the Canaanites are too strong to defeat. They mocked Moses and rebelled his request, the story is detailed in suratal-Ma'idah, 21-26.

*The Holy Land is always the land assigned for the servants of Allah who surrender everything to him not wicked people rulling over it now.

*The occupation of the Holy Land is due to Muslims’ lapsing in weakness and deviating from Allah’s teachings. The occupation of the Jews to the Holy Land is something casual. The Holy Land is waiting for the time when there will be holy people who strictly abide by Allah's teachings to deserve it.

As for claiming that the Jews have a right to take Palestine as their promised land, we will say that the verse that reads, (Go into the holy land which Allah hath ordained for you.) (Al-Ma`idah 5:21) means that the promise stands so long as the people given this promise abide by Allah’s teachings. Once they show disobedience, the promise no longer exists. In addition, this promise is not an absolute one; rather, it is confined to a certain period of time. Now, the promise is no more valid, for Almighty Allah says, (We have written in the Scripture, after the Reminder: My righteous slaves will inherit the earth.) (Al-Anbiya' 21:105)




The people who are now following God's commands, obedient and submit (Islam) to Him (as Muslims) are now Palestinians. If they also seize to be Muslims, or are wicked in conduct and forbidden what God made permissible etc, they would face the same predicament(banishment). These are the conditions in order to have the Deed claim to the Holy Land not by racial or superiority as you people claim. Simply put. The two conditions are: to faith in God(which including believing in all His prophets and messangers, from Adam, to Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad) and be righteous in conduct. The Bible says the same thing.

Quran and Bible clearly say that Holy Land was given to Jews(being believers and obedient to God at that time) NOT simply becus of being Jews. No, sir. You dont understand. Thats why I posted the video to enlighten you. Please read the conditions further here. http://usa.mediamonitors.net/layout/set/print/content/view/full/3632

Author Naomi Wolf also wrote on this after she was persuaded toread thte Bible for herself. She writes:


"Actually if you read Genesis, Exodus and Deuteronomy in Hebrew — as I do — you see that God did not “give” Israel to the Jews/Israelites. We as Jews are raised with the creed that “God gave us the land of Israel” in Genesis — and that ethnically ‘we are the chosen people.”

But actually — and I could not believe my eyes when I saw this, I checked my reading with major scholars and they confirmed it — actually God’s “covenant” in Genesis, exodus and Deuteronomy with the Jewish people is NOT ABOUT AN ETHNICITY AND NOT ABOUT A CONTRACT. IT IS ABOUT A WAY OF BEHAVING."
http://beforeitsnews.com/israel/2014/07/god-gave-israel-to-the-jews-author-naomi-wolfs-mind-blowing-bible-experience-2446712.html

But the criminals who re-wrote(and changed) the Bible said that (Deuteronomy 9:5) "It is not because of your righteousness or your integrity that you are going in to take possession of their land;..." . This is false obviously.

Empiree:
PAIN!

basilico:
Its worse than that

A fresh tally of casualties killed in a stampede near Mecca last month has raised the death toll to 1,453, making this year’s incident the deadliest recorded during the hajj.

Empiree:
PAIN!

Empiree:
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And where is bombs going off in Mecca and Medina?. You can hardly see that. The reason is in the Quran because it is a place of PEACE & SECURITY.

Qur'an speaks. (2:125)

"Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer)." Yusuf Ali

Empiree:
IRRELEVANT!!!

Empiree:
"sum bukum umuyun fahum layarjium" ~ Mathew 13:13

dolphinheart:
@ empiree


There attempt at sending missiles into isreal to kill innocent children and people is part of their being obedient to allah right?

Bro ,all claim , apart from the isrealites first claim of old, is being done by superiority in physical power.



Let's look at history again, when god gave the isrealites control over the promised lands, they had control over it until they lost a larger part of it to the assyrians and later all of it to the babylonians, did god put another people who are not abrahams descendants their ? Noo.
Even though god has abandoned isreal as his representative on earth and predicted its impending second destruction like it accurately predicted the first one . We find out that those who claim to be Jews or descendants of abraham today still live in those lands.

Yes the issue is not about ethnicity , for the Jews of today had lost that right to claim one ethnic group since they have intermarried with several other tribes around them from the time they got into that land.
So today , there must still be abrahams descendants in those lands . They are the ones god promised and took to the land.
that promised can only be maintained by their loyalty to jehovah.
If its not the Jews that can lay claim to that land, definitely its not the palestinians as they are not descendants of abraham.
On the conditional aspect , if you feel its true that the palestinians are fulfilling gods will and thus have a right to Jerusalem, BROS , I beg you, biko , preach to the palestinians to wait till they have superior fire power like it was done in the days of old by god. Or else their innocent children will continue to die !

5 It is not because of your righteousness or your integrity that you are going in to take possession of their land; but on account of the wickedness of these nations, the LORD your God will drive them
out before you, to accomplish
what he swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Empiree:
"sum bukum umuyun fahum layarjium" ~ Mathew 13:13

olasesi:
HE DIDN'T DIE OF POISON

A few months after the farewell pilgrimage, Muhammad fell ill and suffered for several days with fever, head pain, and weakness.[193]

He died on Monday, 8 June 632, in Medina, at the age of 62 or 63, in the house of his wife Aisha.[195]

References:
193 An Introduction to the Quran II (1895), p.279

195 The Last Prophet, page 3. By Lewis Lord of U.S. News & World Report. 7 April 2008.

truthman2012:
Why did allahh save Jesus from death and allowed Muhammad to die of poison?

Visitor700:
[s]it is similar to the story of Jesus killing a child in the Gospel of Thomas, and critics try to force the story upon Christians that they have to accept it as evidence that Jesus was a murderer. However, no credible scholar (Christian or non-Christian) would use this incident as true even though the Gospel of Thomas is dated earlier than the Gospel of John.

If you analyze this hadith carefully, you will notice that he didn't order anybody to kill her:

Narrated by Abdullah Ibn Abbas who said: A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet and disparage him. He (the blind man) forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet and abuse him. So he (the blind man) took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet was informed about it.

He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.

He sat before the Prophet and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.

Thereupon the Prophet said: Oh bear witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.”

(Abu Dawud; Book 38, Number 4348)

although he said "no retaliation is payable for her blood," it's clear he didn't order anybody to kill her. He forbade the killing of women.

Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab that a son of Kab ibn Malik (Malik believed that ibn Shihab said it was Abd ar-Rahman ibn Kab) said, "The
Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, forbade those who fought ibn Abi Huqayq (a treacherous jew from Madina) to kill women and
children. He said that one of the men fighting had said, 'The wife of ibn Abi Huqayq began screaming and I repeatedly raised my sword against her. Then I would remember the prohibition of the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, so I would stop. Had it not been for that, we would have been rid of her.'"
(Maliks Muwatta; Book 021, Hadith Number 008)[/s]



the claim that the Prophet (Peace be upon him) got her assassinated just because of some poetry insulting him is false because he never took revenge in matters that were far more serious than this:

*He forgave the woman who killed and mutilated his uncle's body. The woman was so impressed by his magnanimity and stature that she said, “O Messenger of God, no tent was more deserted in my eyes than yours; but today no tent is more lovely in my eyes than yours.”

*He also forgave the woman who poisoned him.Narrated Anas bin Malik: A Jewish woman brought a poisoned (cooked) sheep for the Prophet who ate from it. She was brought to the Prophet and he was asked, "Shall we kill her?" He said, "No." I continued to see the effect of the poison on the palate of the mouth of God’s Apostle.

hey, think of it..

aminusanti:
Mr Man you are still unaware Jesus was a Muslim and his religion was Islam in every sense but it wont make any sense to you as your heart is sealed... Both Jesus(PBUH) and Muhammad(PBUH) and all other prophets teach nothing but islam,

they carried essentially the same message: Islam, that is, monotheism and submission to the will and guidance of God. However, the details were not identical, but varied to cope with the time and nation addressed.

While Jesus (peace be upon him) was sent specifically to the Israelites, Muhammad (peace be upon him) was sent to all humanity. This was emphasized by Jesus as well:

[But he answered and said, ‘I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.’] (Matthew 15:24)

In contrast, the Quran declares the universal message of Islam.

Jesus prophesized the coming prophet whose universal message will stay forever:

[And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— ] (John 14:16)

We have also seen that the utterances of Jesus have been supportive of and predicting about the rise of Muhammad (pbuh), and through him the belief Islam and the believing nation of Muslims, to which his followers are required to join.

In John 16: 12 & 13, Jesus says:

“I have yet many things to say unto you,

but you cannot bear them now.

Howbeit when he, the spirit of truth, is come,

He will guide you into all truth; ”

Many things that Jesus would have liked to tell his followers have not been told to them, not because Jesus did not know them, but only because his followers were not ready to bear them at that time: “..... but you cannot bear them now.”

When Jesus (pbuh) states “you cannot bear them now”, it only refers to his followers and does not include himself, because he did not say: “WE cannot bear them now”.

Since Jesus didn't count himself among them in this matter, it means he was ready to bear them: the guidance that the expected prophet will bring. He was aware of them and he was ready to bear them. But did he follow in action what he knew and was ready for? Yes. He did much of what a Muslim would do and is expected to do. In fact, this begins to happen even while he anticipates arrest by the Roman rulers.

azuson:
Matt 24 According to what Jesus described as sign of the last ages,can you figure out any one that is yet to be fulfilled,He is coming very soon and all works of man will be in vain and all man desires will be useless

Demmzy15:
Indeed you've confirmed you're mad! I'm sorry for you!

yazach:
Those people are laughing stuck so let me laugh my own

Annunaki:
Muslims claim that islam is the fastest growing religion in the west but in reality a large percentage of muslims in the west are secretly leaving the religion although only few of them are bold enough to declare it due to fear of being isolated by their families or even being killed by extremists.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ex-Muslim_organisations

Demmzy15:
Better think with your coconut head, I dunno whether you're getting mad because anytime you comment, you keep opening your gworo teeth.

Better find your way front!

SalC:
Wow whereas the bible is talking of re-building the third temple, the koran is talking about the third destruction of Israel.

Whose report shall we believe?

*spreads mat*

Empiree:
Qur'an speaks about "Jerusalem" a lot without mentioning its name. It's referred to in the Quran as "Holy Land". Holy Land in the Quran is not Mecca and Medina. However, one may find "Al-Qudus" in Hadith and Islamic literature used for Jerusalem. Muslim know too well holy land in the Quran is Jerusalem. You guys have a lot to learn from Muslims.

The oldest Holy city in the world and the holiest is Mecca followed by Medina follwed by Al-Qudus. Quran also refers to Al-Qudus(Jerusalem) as Al-ard Muqaddasah. You can search internet for "Al-ard Muqaddasah" and read for yourself. Al-ard Muqaddasah means a Blessed Land.

Empiree:
When it was Muslims in control it was peaceful. Now it's controlled by Jews and it's like hell on earth. Evidences are as clear as day light.

Empiree:
You have no reference(Christianity) and claim to the Holy place whatsoever other than Jesus(AS) was born there

Empiree:
^ I have spoken, madam plappville. You obviously said nothing reasonable to counter points i raised. You just as confused as your fellow dolphin heart.





You have a blessed day

Demmzy15:
You see why I said you're a frustrated goat! Lemme just leave you to your ignorance.

imas:
Just imagine the world without Islam.

Annunaki:
LONDON -- The headlines say Islam is going to be the largest religion in the world. But Islam is facing a crisis.

The terrible deeds of ISIS, done in the name of Allah and following the violent example of Mohammed, have horrified Muslims who are now questioning their faith.


Missionaries to the Islamic world say more Muslims have converted to Christianity in the last 14 years (since 9/11) than during the entire 14 centuries of Islamic history.


Secret Lives

Many keep their conversion a secret, afraid for their lives. In London, CBN News talked to Imram (no last name given to protect his identity), a British college student from a Pakistani immigrant family.

Imram left Islam after a lengthy study convinced him the Koran could not be true. Leaving Islam can be a tough road.

"If someone leaves Islam and becomes an apostate, he is thrown out of his family; his family will be the first ones to abandon him," Imran explained. "His friends will reject him and he will be killed or he will be persecuted. A lot of my friends said, 'This is the last time I'm talking to you because you disrespected the prophet Mohammed, you disrespected Islam.'"

Imran has not yet become a Christian, but he has studied the Bible and says Christianity is superior to Islam.

Some ex-Muslims become atheists. But some discover a God who loves them.

In Sweden, Pastor Fouad Rasho of Angered Alliance Church, himself an immigrant from Syria, has baptized more than 100 ex-Muslims. He said because of ISIS, many Muslims are coming to Christ.

"Every week I meet one or more persons who come to me and want to know more about Christianity and the Bible because they are very angry about being a Muslim. They don't want to continue to be Muslim," Imran said.

The 'Dark Continent'

When it comes to religion, Europe has become the new "Dark Continent." And some European Muslims feel trapped between atheism and radical Islam, but some find hope in Christianity.

When Nassim Ben Iman came with his parents to Germany as immigrants from a Muslim nation, he remembers thinking that if Germany is a Christian nation, then Christianity is a dead, sinful religion.

"So unclothedness on the television is because of the Christian religion. Living together not married is because of the Christian religion," Nassim recalled thinking.

But then Nassim discovered real Christianity and today he's an evangelist reaching Muslims and non-Muslims for Christ.

"When the people understand who Jesus is, they will love Him and follow Him more and more. And when the Muslims understand more and more what Mohammed is, what the Koran is, what the history is, then they will go farther and farther away from Islam," he said.

Collapse Ahead

The host of an important Christian program reaching Muslims told CBN News, "Islam is going to collapse."

Brother Rachid is the son of a Moroccan imam who lived as a secret Christian convert for 15 years. Now he hosts an Arabic language Christian program called "Daring Questions," which challenges Muslims to question their faith.

"Many Muslims are saying, 'If ISIS is Islam, I'm leaving.' Some are becoming atheists," Brother Rachid said. "There is a huge wave of atheism in the Arab world right now and many are turning to Jesus Christ. Islam was never faced with this crisis before."

Nassim said Islam appears strong, but it is only feeding off the spiritual void in weak Christian nations.

"The greatest power of Islam is the weakness of the Christians," he said. "That's what happened in Germany and in America and all the Western countries."

Even while it seems Islam seems poised to overtake the West, Brother Rachid says Christians should not fear Islam, a faith he is convinced is slowly dying.

"Islam is not God's instrument to judge the West," he said. "I think people are afraid because of what they see on the news. But even violence is just a sign of collapse."


Source: http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2015/June/Ex-Muslims-Lighting-the-Way-for-Islams-Collapse/

This certainly very good news

Empiree:
You confused buddy







Is it neccessarily the Temple or establishment?. When we said it was destroyed, it means the kingdom itself by which "ruling state" was destroyed including Temple itself. So who rule over Jerusalem now?...Isnt zionist Jews?. Read below what Quran says confirming their pending destruction

[s]Allah (swt) States:

"And we decreed for the Children of Israel in the Scripture, that indeed you would do mischief on the earth twice and you will become tyrants and extremely arrogant! So, when the promise came for the first of the two, We sent against you slaves of Ours given to terrible warfare. They entered the very innermost parts of your homes. And it was a promise (completely) fulfilled. Then We gave you once again, a return of victory over them. And We helped you with wealth and children and made you more numerous in manpower. (And We said): 'If you do well, you do good for your ownselves, and if you do evil (you do it) against yourselves'. Then, when the second promise came to pass, (We permitted your enemies) to make your faces sorrowful and to enter the mosque (of Jerusalem) as they had entered it before, and to destroy with utter destruction all that fell in their hands. [And We Said in the Taurat (Torah)]: 'It may be that your Lord may show mercy unto you, but if you return (to sins), We shall return (to Our Punishment). And We have made Hell a prison for the disbelievers" [Qur'an 17:4-8].


See highlighted part?. Read the beginning of this verse quoted showing it was destroyed twice. And the third and the last time (as highlighted) says if they return to mischief on earth again, God will return wrath on them. Ask yourself now. Have they not returned to their wickedness again, killing innocent Palestinians, assassinations, dropping bombs and killing babies, put Arab Palestinians in the largest concentration camp in the world aka "open prison"?. You dont see all that?. The list goes on. So expect nothing but final destruction of the state of Israel. This is not just my opinion. Search youtube and see what some Rabbis have said about pending destrution awaiting State of Israel[/s]

Empiree:
Your god worshiped?. He worshipped himself or what?. Who did he worshiped at the temple?

Thanks for the info but no thanks. You didn't tell us why the temple was destroyed?. Let me help you. It was destroyed because of their inequities. Quran in chapter 17speaks about this and that they would be destroyed twice.

The first time they were destroyed was by Babylonian army. The second time is what you said up there. And that was before the advent of prophet muhammad (saw). Now they are going to be destroyed the third and the last time and this time it will be muslim army. So get your bp up.

smh. Don't get me started with u on this. Your're bible gave conflicting accounts of the story.

Empiree:
looks like you still can't differentiate btw being a jew and judaism. There have always being Jewish tribe known as "believers" in Islam.Just like there are now few jews that are christians by faith. It's the same with islam. It's in modern time being Jews is synonymous with judaism bcus most jews practice judaism now. Don't get it confused ma'am.