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Christianity Etc › Re: Breaking Gods Law And The Mark Of The Beast...... by plappville(op): 8:33pm On Oct 30, 2012

True Christians “Marked” by Obedience

We have not yet identified the exact nature of the mark. But we will see that it has something to do with obedience—whether we will obey “God or man” (Acts 5:29).

As we have seen, two churches are described in the New Testament. The true Church that Jesus built (Matt. 16:18) is the bride of Christ, forsaking involvements with this world and its customs in order to be pure when He comes to marry her.

Throughout the New Testament are warnings that false teachers would creep in (Jude 3-4; II Thes. 2:3-11; II Cor. 11:13-14) and gain control of the church organization, forcing faithful Christians to flee from their original congregations to continue to obey God. God’s true people were foretold to remain a “little flock” (Luke 12:32), often scattered, never having political power in this world.

Despite continual persecution—even during periods of great martyrdom—by the large popular churches that have continually sought to destroy it, a determined remnant has always remained throughout the last nearly 2,000 years.

The world has kept little track of this small, scattered Church, but Christ promised that He would never leave or forsake it, and that “the gates of hell [the grave] shall not prevail against it” (Matt. 16:18). Though it has periodically been forced to flee for its life (Acts 8:1; Dan. 12:7), Christ has faithfully kept His promise to remain with it, empowering and strengthening it through His Spirit. His true Church is loyal and obedient to His government structure, and no other!

Immediately after the third angel’s warning in Revelation 14:9-10, verse 12 contains a description of God’s servants who will not take the mark. Remember, there are only two categories of people—those who take the mark and those who do not.

God declares, “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus” (vs. 12).

In a disobedient world that has followed a system in rebellion against God, there are relatively few commandment-keepers. God’s little Church has always been willing—and determined—to obey Him.

This verse explains that only the “faith of Jesus” (not merely faith in Jesus) gives them the strength to resist receiving the mark. Shallow human faith will be of no value in avoiding the mark!

When Jesus was approached by a young man seeking salvation, He was asked, “What good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?” (Matt. 19:16). Christ answered, “If you will enter into life, keep the commandments” (vs. 17).

It has always been this plain for all who would serve God! The commandments of God must be kept.

Regarding obedience to His Law, God has always had but one standard: “For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet if you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law” (Jms. 2:10-11).

Christians keep all the laws of God. They make no exceptions!

~~To be continued....~~

Christianity Etc › Re: Breaking Gods Law And The Mark Of The Beast...... by plappville(op): 8:29pm On Oct 30, 2012

pastormustwacc: I resign peacefully, am not here to argue. And i am not distracting the thread any longer.

Create a new thread if you wish, but i hate deviating threads. I dont want future generations reading this to think we are re*tards with subnormal IQ.

I appreciate you wiil not do it grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Breaking Gods Law And The Mark Of The Beast...... by plappville(op): 8:27pm On Oct 30, 2012

obadiah777: BUT OF COURSE

I trust!

Christianity Etc › Re: Breaking Gods Law And The Mark Of The Beast...... by plappville(op): 8:25pm On Oct 30, 2012

pastormustwacc: Hmn, thanks for the complement. Maybe it is because i am a weirdo!

Christianity Etc › Re: Breaking Gods Law And The Mark Of The Beast...... by plappville(op): 8:22pm On Oct 30, 2012

The Mark—Past and Future!

The true Christian’s initial reward involves rulership, lasting 1,000 years. But the test has been the same for those of previous ages. Those who hold fast their convictions, in the face of impending martyrdom, when this test comes again, will be victorious even in death—but they will truly be “gold tried in the fire” (Rev. 3:18).

Here is what God says awaits those who have been faithful unto death. Read each word carefully: “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his MARK upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years” (Rev. 20:4).

This is an astonishing verse. Did you notice that all those killed for holding to the truth of God also refused to receive the MARK? In other words, those of all previous eras were required to withstand the enforcement of the mark as well. But, because they would not yield to pagan beliefs, festivals, customs, rank idolatry and worship of the Holy Roman Empire—and the Revelation 17 “woman” church—they were killed. The mark of the beast was first enforced well over 1,000 years ago. And, though it is not yet being enforced, for the plagues to fall on those who have it, and for those who refuse it to be forced into martyrdom—IT MUST BE ENFORCED ONCE AGAIN!

Christians of previous times were killed because they refused the mark of the beast and the worship of its image. They “obeyed God rather than man” (Acts 5:29)—they obeyed the government of God rather than the Roman government guided by the woman riding it. They did not resist punishment, but willingly yielded to their punishment—torture and death! These future rulers proved themselves faithful to God and have qualified to reign with Jesus Christ when He comes, bringing “His reward with Him.”

Also in Matthew 24, Christ foretold that the “gospel of the kingdom” would be preached to all nations “and then shall the end come” (vs. 14). In John 9:4, He warned His disciples that “the night comes, when no man can work.”

Soon, deep spiritual darkness will descend on the whole world. The time for announcing the coming of the kingdom of God will come to an end. Final opportunity to seek God and escape what lies ahead will be gone. It is our responsibility to preach—and WARN—before it is too late.

Notice: “When I say unto the wicked, You shall surely die; and you give him not warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at your hand” (Ezek. 3:18).

We are doing our part in warning all who will listen now. Soon, you will have to choose who and what you will obey. Will you obey God or will you obey the final revival of the Holy Roman Empire, governed by the great false “woman” church leading recognized, traditional “Christianity”?

But the Bible reveals that there will be three final warnings to the rebellious nations under the woman and beast’s deception. This will occur through three separate angelic messengers, referenced earlier. Again, these are found in Revelation 14.

The third message declares this: “If any man WORSHIP THE BEAST [again, the final end-time revival of the Roman Empire] and his IMAGE, and receive his MARK …the same shall drink of the wine of the WRATH OF GOD…He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone…in the presence of the Lamb” (vs. 9-10).

~~To be continued.....~~

Christianity Etc › Re: Breaking Gods Law And The Mark Of The Beast...... by plappville(op): 8:18pm On Oct 30, 2012

chukwudi44: I am not derailing this thread but merely pointing out the fallacies contained in them.This is the official position of the seventh day adventist church of which pappivile is a member.

Please do not make any claims you cannot substantiate.This is the second time now that you are doing this

So i be member of 7th day? huh

You don finish me with grin

Let me continue jare, We are not doing anything to spoil any church, Its a prophecy, it has to point at something particular, or else, Christ will be False.
Let me continue.

Christianity Etc › Re: This Chapter Is Disturbing Me, Can You Make It Clearer Please? by plappville(op): 8:09pm On Oct 30, 2012

okeyxyz: @plappville
The gospel is precisely what this passages you rfered says. The law is totally defeated and done away with, therefore any christian who still defines morality based on The Law does not truly know christ.

One of scripture passages that still holds christians back is this:
17“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them(Matthew 5:17).

Then Jesus does on to say:
18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished(Mathew 5:18).

Now the death of jesus on the cross is the fulfilment of the law. The law was not meant to give life but death.
28 Later, knowing that everything had now been finished, and so that Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, “I am thirsty.” 29 A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus’ lips. 30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit(John 19 :28-30).

But because people had continued to break the law, then one could reason that the law was just. But then comes a man(Jesus) who was completely innocent, even by the standards of the law, yet this law condemned him to death, therefore proving that it is a tool for death, not life. Thus: The Law is legally defeated. Also, evidence that the Law kills is this passage:
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant--not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life(2 Cor 3:6).

Another factor of misunderstanding in chritianity is that they point to Jesus as the standard to follow. But that Jesus did not reveal his "Christ-ship" while alive. The only instances he talked about his "Christ-ship" was in parables because the true christ message was contrary to The Law, but he could not literally oppose this law because he needed to abide by it in order to prove that it kills. Now after proving that the law kills, it is totally abolished: Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes(Romans 10:4).

So a sinner is anybody who still defines morality by the standards of the law instead of following the liberty(from the law) that christ gives. We no longer define morality according to the precepts of the law. That Jesus that christians still try to conform to was the Jesus of the law, not of the Christ\spirit:
So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer(2 Cor 5:16).

I hope this answers your questions. Yes, it's shocking, I know. I felt the shock when this wisdom was first preached to me, But if the message is for you, then it would make sense to you.

Well understood, thanks. But we can see some verses that shows Christ Disciples didn't just forget some of the laws, even ater Christ death and ressurrection, apart from Paul who teaches this. Does it means the Spirit did not direct them? I still wonder why Peter says, some of Pauls writing are difficult to understand. Doesn't this has to do with certain of His letters concerning the law been done away with? undecided

Christianity Etc › Re: This Chapter Is Disturbing Me, Can You Make It Clearer Please? by plappville(op): 7:55pm On Oct 30, 2012

obadiah777: ITS A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO THE SAME GOAL. WHAT IS THE GOAL ? ECCLESIASTES 12 VS 13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. <<< THIS IS THE WHOLE DUTY OF MAN. WHY SHOULD YOU KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS ? SO AS TO CREATE HEAVEN ON EARTH BY TREATING YOUR FELLOW MAN HOW YOU WANT TO BE TREATED, WITH RESPECT AND LOVE. THATS YOUR PURPOSE IN LIFE. HOWEVER DURING THE MOSAIC ERA AND CHRIST ERA TRYING TO ACHIEVE THIS PURPOSE IS FROM BOTH ENDS OF THE SPECTRUM. IN THE MOSAIC LAW THEY TRY TO GET YOU TO ACHIEVE THIS PURPOSE BY FOLLOWING LAWS AND NOTHING ELSE. ITS LIKE A CONSTITUTION THAT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW AND OBEY. YOU ARE LED BY THE LAWS. YOU TRY TO CREATE HEAVEN ON EARTH BY OBEYING LAWS. HOWEVER AT THIS POINT IN TIME ONLY JEWS WERE ON EARTH SO MOST OF THOSE LAWS WERE ALSO TRADITIONAL LAWS.

IN COMES THE GENTILES, A GROUP OF MUTANTS ( LOL ) FORMED AFTER THE FLOOD. NOW THESE ARE NOT ISRAELITES SO IT WOULD BE UNFAIR TO ASK THEM TO FOLLOW JEWISH CUSTOMS BECAUSE IT IS NOT NATURAL TO THEM, SO WHEN THEY GOT UNITED WITH THE JEWS UNDER THE LAW BY CHRISTS DEATH ( EPHESIANS 2 VS 14 ), A NEW METHOD OF TRYING TO CREATE HEAVEN ON EARTH WAS CREATED. THIS TIME YOU DO NOT CREATE HEAVEN ON EARTH BY FOLLOWING LAWS. YOU CREATE HEAVEN ON EARTH BY FOLLOWING YOUR SPIRIT. OF COURSE THIS IS ASSUMING THAT YOUR SPIRIT IS GENUINELY RENEWED BY THE WORD ( WHICH LETS FACE IT NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE GET TO THIS POINT ). THE IDEA HERE IS THAT IF YOUR SPIRIT IS GENUINELY REFURBISHED BY THE WORD THEN YOUR SPIRIT WILL GUIDE YOU AWAY FROM BREAKING THE LAWS. MEANING IF YOU ARE STILL BREAKING THE LAWS THEN YOUR SPIRIT IS OBVIOUSLY NOT RENEWED YET. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, ITS JUST DIFFERENT WAYS OF TRYING TO CREATE HEAVEN ON EARTH BY OBEYING THE LAWS. WITH THE FIRST METHOD YOU ARE DIRECTLY LED BY THE LAWS AND WITH THTE OTHER METHOD YOU LET YOUR SPIRIT LEAD YOU AWAY FROM BREAKING IT. THE GOOD THING ABOUT USING YOUR SPIRIT TO LEAD YOU AWAY FROM BREAKING THE LAWS IS THAT CERTAIN JEWISH LAWS WHICH YOU HAD TO FOLLOW DURING MOSAIC LAWS BECOME IRRELEVANT NOW BECAUSE YOUR SPIRIT DOES NOT COUNT TRADITIONAL LAWS ( SUCH AS YOU MUST WEAR FRINGES WITH YOUR GARMENTS, YOU CANT WEAR A CLOTH WITH TWO COMBINED FIBERS ETC ETC ). YOUR SPIRIT ONLY SEES MORAL LAWS AS OFFENCES. THIS IS THE POINT OF UNITING BOTH JEWS AND GENTILES UNDER CHRIST LAWS BECAUSE NOW THEY BOTH JUST FOLLOW THE MORAL LAWS. WHAT ARE MORAL LAWS ? DO NOT STEAL KILL FORNICATE IDOLATRY ADULTERY EAT PORK AND OTHER ABOMINABLE FOODS ( THATS DEFILING YOUR TEMPLE ) ETC ETC.

IN CONCLUSION ? THEY ( CHRIST AND MOSAIC ) ARE BOTH DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET TO THE SAME GOAL, WHICH IS USING THE LAWS TO CREATE HEAVEN ON EARTH. THE LAWS ARE NOT DONE AWAY WITH.

Interesting, and @image123 ignored this? Well, thanks, when christian say the laws no longer aplies, they will only ignore the difficult one nd pick the ones that suit/profites them.

I am seeking the truth, i can't select what to obey, so when i come across this verse and seeing some words from Christ concerning the laws of God, there is need for one to call others attention.

Christianity Etc › Re: This Chapter Is Disturbing Me, Can You Make It Clearer Please? by plappville(op): 7:44pm On Oct 30, 2012*

Image123: lemme seek for trouble this morning maybe i can find. plap, go and read the passage in French jare, shabbath don dey tire you?

Why are you like this? What do u mean Sabbath don dey tire me, i have never come across this verse, ever since i have been asking NL where in the bible says the law is no longer valid
no one has been able to privide this verse. I am studying the bible, but i'm yet to arrive at the NT, i didn't want to jump pages for a better understanding.

By the way, why should Sabbath tire me, i have been enjoying it, it has created much time together with my family, and has made me have more time to study my bible
So what is there?

It is now wrong for one to asked Question in NL, @image123 is that perfect christian that never ask others question.

Dey show urself there grin

edited.

Christianity Etc › Re: This Chapter Is Disturbing Me, Can You Make It Clearer Please? by plappville(op): 7:35pm On Oct 30, 2012

seyibrown: Correct. Priests were designated health inspectors in mosaic law. They decided who was clean, unclean, or to be quarantined for such determination. See Leviticus 13 and 14.

@ Topic

The Law guided them but for us, the Holy Spirit - through our faith - does!

Its a short meaning of this chapter i guess?

Christianity Etc › Re: This Chapter Is Disturbing Me, Can You Make It Clearer Please? by plappville(op): 7:33pm On Oct 30, 2012

[quote author=tpia@] huh

what's the question?

I dont see any ritual here.

so the healed man could be certified clean.

if he didnt do that, he'd still be considered unclean.

priests sometimes doubled as health inspectors back then.[/quote]Sorry, the Ritual was for the healed man, It was a mistake. You explaination is very plain.
Thanks.

Christianity Etc › Re: This Chapter Is Disturbing Me, Can You Make It Clearer Please? by plappville(op): 7:31pm On Oct 30, 2012

[quote author=tpia@]verse 20

the pharisees had an outward appearance of godliness [obeying the law] but in their hearts did not serve or fear God.

mat 5 17[/quote]Thanks alot, for taking ur time, God bless.

Christianity Etc › Re: The "First Day" Of The Week ?? by plappville(op): 9:39pm On Oct 29, 2012

plappville: The verse didn't cancel the Sabbath, it is just saying if one does not observed the Sabbath, He/she shouldn't be condemn/judge for this.
If anyone continue keeping it because no verse in anywhere cancel it, its even of more advantage in obeying all of Gods law.

The end shall tell, but then it might be too late for those that believed it was done away with by Christ.

If you say that the old testament things are shadow of the real, is tithe not old testament things that was even praticed by the Jews only.
Why then Gentiles Hold strong to tithing and rejects the Sabbath by saying the Sabbath is for the Jews only?

God bless everyone that keep His Sabbath, its for Gods people, anyone who does obey Gods law is Gods child not only the Jews.

Isaiah. 56:1 This is what the LORD says: "Maintain justice and do what is right, for my salvation is close at hand and my righteousness will soon be revealed. 2 Blessed is the man who does this, the man who holds it fast, who keeps the Sabbath without desecrating it, and keeps his hand from doing any evil." 3 Let no foreigner who has bound himself to the LORD say, "The LORD will surely exclude me from his people." And let not any eunuch complain, "I am only a dry tree." 4 For this is what the LORD says: "To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose what pleases me and hold fast to my covenant. 5 to them I will give within my temple and its walls a memorial and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that will not be cut off. 6[b] And foreigners who bind themselves to the LORD to serve him, to love the name of the LORD, and to worship him, all who keep the Sabbath without desecrating it and who hold fast to my covenant.[/b] 7 these I will bring to my holy mountain and give them joy in my house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house will be called a house of prayer for all nations."

This is Old testament and it continues in the New testament.....You said He did not Jesus didnt observed it, Do you have a scripture that told us Jesus usually teach on Sunday as we see that He usually teach on the Sabbath?

Mark 1:19 When he had gone a little farther, he saw James son of Zebedee and his brother John in a boat, preparing their nets. 20Without delay he called them, and they left their father Zebedee in the boat with the hired men and followed him. 21They went to Capernaum,and when the Sabbath came, Jesus went into the synagogue and began to teach

Mark 6:1 Jesus left there and went to his hometown, accompanied by his disciples. 2 When the Sabbath came, he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were amazed. "Where did this man get these things?" they asked. "What's this wisdom that has been given him, that he even does miracles!

Jesus did not Cancel the Sabbath but made it simple for mankind to enjoy it, It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath but not to do evil:

Mark 3:1 Another time he went into the synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. 2Some of them were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal him on the Sabbath. 3Jesus said to the man with the shriveled hand, "Stand up in front of everyone." 4[b]Then Jesus asked them, "Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?"[/b] But they remained silent.

If the Sabbath was/will no longer be observed, Jesus would have told them plainly, like He told the Pharisees "About His existance Before Abraham to thier faces.
After all He knew He will be killed, why should He continue to observe and modify the Sabbath law? After His death, The aplostles continue to Keep the Sababath.

Christianity Etc › Re: Breaking Gods Law And The Mark Of The Beast...... by plappville(op): 9:32pm On Oct 29, 2012

Satan’s Wrath on Modern Israelite Descendants

Let’s now take a moment to compare two critically important scriptures that shed much light on the tribulation. Doing this will give us a precise picture of who else receives the brunt of Satan’s wrath during this time. We have seen that lukewarm Christians will be martyred—but far more than these will endure this terrible time of trial.

First notice Matthew 24:21: “For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” This verse plainly establishes the tribulation as the single worst time in all world history. Take this verse for exactly what it says.

Now let’s examine a second scripture that relates to this one. It is longer and more extensive, and is found in Jeremiah 30. The last phrase of this chapter is “in the latter days you shall consider it.” Now what does this chapter contain that we must “consider” in these final days?

Verse 3 establishes to whom God is speaking—Israel and Judah. Verse 2 was instruction to Jeremiah to record in a book all that God had told him. Now notice: “And these are the words that the LORD spoke concerning Israel and concerning Judah. For thus says the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace. Ask you now, and see whether a man does travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness? Alas! For that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it” (vs. 4-7).

This is a shocking description of punishment foretold to come on Israel and Judah. Terrible fear and horror accompany this punishment.

But focus for a moment on two phrases in verse 7 describing this time. The first is “that day is great, so that none is like it.” This is almost identical to Matthew 24:21. They cannot be speaking of two separate times, because it is impossible to have two periods in history that are both described as the worst of all time. These two scriptures have to be speaking of the same time. And remember, these verses both depict events in the “end of the age” and the “latter days.”

Now notice the second phrase: “it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble.” This phrase unlocks vital meaning and explains who else suffers Satan’s wrath in this time of great anguish and misery. It also adds more to what this book’s previous chapter revealed.

Understand that the Old Testament patriarch Israel was originally named Jacob (Gen. 32:28). Prophecies referencing either name describe the same peoples.

Many Old Testament prophecies describe the scope and severity of national punishment that God plans for these peoples. Their modern lands will be destroyed by the beast, and many millions will be taken into captivity at his hands. Again, we saw this.

The great tribulation will be a time of terrible suffering for both physical Israel and the less vigilant, lukewarm “remnant” of spiritual Israel, the Church. But numerous verses in Revelation show that it will be a time of general prosperity for many non-Israelitish nations—when the beast’s merchants bring much “buying and selling.” These nations will be punished during the time of God’s wrath.

~~To be continued....~~

Christianity Etc › Re: Breaking Gods Law And The Mark Of The Beast...... by plappville(op): 9:25pm On Oct 29, 2012

Elect Must Remain Fervent, Vigilant

Many of God’s true people in the end time have partially drifted away from God. They have not remained as close to Him as they should have. They have not zealously sought and obeyed God on a daily basis. This has allowed many to be deceived, and to fall into various false doctrines and wrong practices. This has been the pattern of history when false ministers capture the leadership of the flock. Only the tribulation will awaken these brethren—and even then only about half (Matt. 25:1-12)!

These “lukewarm” Christians will have to suffer this final martyrdom (Rev. 3:14-22). The faithful Christians who were previously killed must continue to “rest” (remain “asleep” in their graves–Eph. 5:14; I Cor. 11:30; 15:51) until others join them through this final martyrdom.

During the tribulation, there will be extraordinary worldwide deception, unlike any time in world history. Christ was very specific about this in Matthew 24: “And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity [lawlessness, worldwide] shall abound, the love [obedience to human laws and God’s Law–Rom. 13:10; I John 5:3] of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved…For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be…For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders [the false prophet of Revelation 16:13 and 19:20—the woman and two-horned beast of Revelation 13:11-13—will lead in this]; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect” (vs. 10-13, 21, 24).

This is a very direct prophecy about tremendous deception that seduces “many” at the end of the age, before Christ’s Coming (Matt. 24:3). The elect must remain on guard—and remember to practice Luke 21:36, among many other scriptures—daily!

At His Return, Christ will bring with Him the individual rewards of all His servants. They will have qualified for great glory: “For the Son of Man shall come in the glory of His Father with His angels; and then He shall reward every man according to his works” (Matt. 16:27).

Make no mistake. Your works in this life, your obedience to God’s plain commands, have a direct bearing on your reward in the next life!

~~To be continued....~~

Christianity Etc › Re: Breaking Gods Law And The Mark Of The Beast...... by plappville(op): 9:20pm On Oct 29, 2012

pastormustwacc: I BELIEVE THE MARK OF THE BEAST IS SPIRITUAL IN NATURE, AND IS NOT A FORM OF TATOO (THAT CAN BE CLEANED OFF). IT SHALL BE BURNED INTO THE SOUL, AND WILL REMAIN SO PERMANENTLY. IT IS FOR THIS REASON THAT A PERSON MUST ACCEPT IT FIRST (BY LOWERING THEIR MENTAL SHIELDS, AND ACCEPTING IT INTO THEIR MINDS - LIKE OPENING YOUR THIRD EYE OR ACCEPTING A DEMON TO POSSES YOU - BUT THIS IS MUCH STRONGER AND IRREVOCABLE).
Just a weird feeling i get, i did not read that from anywhere by the way. But let the thread go on (i was just speculating).

A weird feeling indeed brooo...

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do So Many Nigerians Dislike Rich Pastors? by plappville(f): 9:17pm On Oct 29, 2012

Hate them non, but i hate the greed in thier heart, because some of them do not follow thier Master's step.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by plappville(f): 9:08pm On Oct 29, 2012

italo: You still don't understand. Keep reading and replying with many meaninless words. You will understand it in the world to come. I promise you.

You have been overfed up to the extend that you keep blind eyes of plain scriptures that contradicts ur doctrines.
The worse is that, you are not just binding yourself in this idolatry, but brainwashing others and leading them as the Pope of Nairaland grin

Becareful if you care to save your soul.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Breaking Gods Law And The Mark Of The Beast...... by plappville(op): 8:47pm On Oct 29, 2012

obadiah777: HMMMM

I trust you will have to contribute at the end grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: This Chapter Is Disturbing Me, Can You Make It Clearer Please? by plappville(op): 8:44pm On Oct 29, 2012

OLAADEGBU: Good question. This is the first mystery that you have to crack. The OT was God's promise that He would destroy death while the NT tells us exactly how He did it. My question to you is this: Have you kept the Ten commandments? If not, why not?

You can read Luke 24

Its talking about Christ death and How He conquered the grave.

Christianity Etc › Re: This Chapter Is Disturbing Me, Can You Make It Clearer Please? by plappville(op): 8:38pm On Oct 29, 2012

OLAADEGBU: Good question. This is the first mystery that you have to crack. The OT was God's promise that He would destroy death while the NT tells us exactly how He did it. My question to you is this: Have you kept the Ten commandments? If not, why not?

You can read Luke 24

Ah, ok, But seeing certain words spoken by Christ Himself, it looks/seems like the Old testament still applies.

Yes i do keep the Ten commandements. I will read the chapter of Luke you posted to see. Thanks.

Christianity Etc › Re: This Chapter Is Disturbing Me, Can You Make It Clearer Please? by plappville(op): 8:34pm On Oct 29, 2012

tpia1: Keeping the law does not connote deliverance from sin.

Thanks, So why did Jesus say this?

Matthew 5:18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

I thought Jesus thaught the people to obey everything God had commanded Matt. 5:20, 48; 7:21.

And He Did encouraged them to obey the ritual laws undecided

(Matthew 5:23-24)23 “Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, 24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them; then come and offer your gift. Matt. 5:23-24;

Luke 5:14 Then Jesus ordered him, "Don't tell anyone, but go, show yourself to the priest and offer the sacrifices that Moses commanded for your cleansing, as a testimony to them."

He also said He Didnt come to destroy the law! Matt. 5:17.

Christianity Etc › Re: Breaking Gods Law And The Mark Of The Beast...... by plappville(op): 8:16pm On Oct 29, 2012

jacobscros: So what is the mark?

I think by the time i will post the last write up of this chapter, you will figure out what the mark means by yourself.
Its truelly not physical thing And It proved that It has been rejected before by Gods people who were persecuted/killed.

Christianity Etc › Re: Breaking Gods Law And The Mark Of The Beast...... by plappville(op): 8:13pm On Oct 29, 2012

Martyrdoms—Past and Future!

In Matthew 24, Christ, in answer to a question by His disciples about when He would return, spoke of and clarified events that would precede what the Bible calls “the great tribulation” (vs. 21-22). This, followed by the wrath of God, comprises the three and a half years preceding His Second Coming.

A few verses before explaining the tribulation, Christ explained that a terrible martyrdom lay ahead for true Christians at the end of the age: “Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and you shall be hated of all nations for My name’s sake” (Matt. 24:9). It is obvious that Christians will be doing something that identifies them as different from all those around them. They will be hated with such intensity that they will be tortured (“afflicted”) and martyred in great numbers (“killed”).

Revelation 6 is a precise parallel of Matthew 24. In fact, the careful reader will see that Matthew 24 is Christ interpreting His own words in Revelation 6.
In Revelation, John, in vision, was shown a preview of future events (“hereafter,” 4:1). Since John was “in the spirit” as the seals were opened (vs. 2), the events he witnessed were not actually occurring when he saw them. They were heavenly previews of things that would happen later on earth.

Revelation 6:9-11 contains a description of the fifth seal, which is the great tribulation and future martyrdom of saints. Upon the opening of the fifth seal (vs. 9), John “saw under [at the base of] the altar the souls of them that were slain.”
Here is John’s description of the fifth seal: “And when he had opened the FIFTH SEAL, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, do You not judge and AVENGE our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled” (vs. 9-11).

Some cite these verses to validate both the pagan immortal soul doctrine and the belief that the saved go to heaven (which is not true)—and thereby miss the whole point of what Christ is revealing.

This description is not literal, but rather is symbolic, as is much of Revelation. No one believes that the four horses that precede it in context are literal horses. They are obviously symbolic and part of a vision. So are the souls under the altar.

The fifth seal portrays the martyrdom of true saints (along with vast numbers from national Israel and Judah). This occurs during the tribulation. The context develops with the already-martyred souls asking God a question: “How long, O Lord…” Verse 11 is a symbolic instruction to these martyrs of the Middle Ages to await this latter martyrdom of the end time.

In the vision, John was shown the future. A long period of martyrdom, at the hands of the great false “woman” church, who was “drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus” (Rev. 17:6), will have already taken place. (Revelation 12 briefly describes God’s true Church through the last 2,000 years.) There, this period is described as “a thousand two hundred and three score (1,260) days”—or 1,260 years, from A.D. 325 to A.D. 1585.

Revelation 12:6 describes how the Church had to flee “into the wilderness” to escape persecution. Accounts from history indicate that more than 50 million human beings were killed during this time because of their unwillingness to compromise beliefs that were contrary to the Roman church. (Most of these were not true Christians striving to hold to all of God’s doctrines, but were “protestors” holding to some few areas where they disagreed with Rome.)

Again, a later martyrdom (the great tribulation) is yet to happen in our time. The “souls” who were already “slain” were previously martyred true Christians from past ages. These earlier martyrs were told to “rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled” (vs. 11).

The great tribulation is not God’s wrath. The wrath of God is the seven last plagues, described extensively in parts of the book of Revelation. The great tribulation is Satan’s wrath on God’s true servants—and on the modern descendants of ancient Israel and Judah. This wrath will be perpetrated by a final empire of ten kings in Europe, united under one powerful leader—and done at the behest of Satan’s universal false church. Matthew 24:22 shows that God will have to cut “short” this persecution “for the elects’ sake.”

The “souls under the altar” are now awaiting God’s punishment of—His “vengeance” on—the great governmental power that persecuted them. God said that He would “AVENGE [their] blood” through the seven last plagues on those who carry the mark of the beast. God will pour His vengeance on this false Babylonish murderous woman and her daughter churches of Revelation 17. But this cannot take place until the second great and final martyrdom is past.

~~To be continnued....~~

Christianity Etc › Re: Paganism And Catholicism: Sun Worship Symbols by plappville(f): 6:29pm On Oct 29, 2012

italo: Amen! I believe that. But where in those verses does it say that "worshipping God in truth and in spirit MEANS that crosses and statues must not be around you anytime you worship him."

Please don't turn this into a shouting battle o. Just quietly show me what part of those two verses contain it or admit that the Bible does not say so.

Thank you.

You do not seek the truth at all....SMH for you. even if you dey pretend not to see the word, i will continue to remind you of it.
Even if, its not in the verse He posted, the scripture condemn it.

Isaiah 40:18-31(NIV)
18 [size=16pt] With whom, then, will you compare God?
To what image will you liken him? [/size]
19 As for an idol, a metalworker casts it,
and a goldsmith overlays it with gold
and fashions silver chains for it.
20 A person too poor to present such an offering
selects wood that will not rot;
they look for a skilled worker
to set up an idol that will not topple.
21 Do you not know?
Have you not heard?
Has it not been told you from the beginning?
Have you not understood since the earth was founded? : @catholics una dey read so? much question marks for you.

To what image? to what Cross? to what and what @Popeitalo?

Christianity Etc › Re: Paganism And Catholicism: Sun Worship Symbols by plappville(f): 6:23pm On Oct 29, 2012

Ubenedictus: dis is d most funny thimg about anti-catholics, they want to teach u what u believe. How can u teach me what i believe wen u dont believe it?

I am not teaching you anything, the bible is doing the teaching for us all. Have you ever took a deep thought urself why
all the Images, forms or statuts of Righteous figures not found in the Bible today? Do you think it is an inability of the the Prophet not to have done this?
Don't you thing they didn't do art work of Moses, Job, Christ or Paul etc because they are obeying Gods command?

Why do we not Have the true picture of Christ today, but We have His true words?

Christianity Etc › Re: Paganism And Catholicism: Sun Worship Symbols by plappville(f): 6:08pm On Oct 29, 2012

God4moi: So what are your doctrines?

Do you worship/gather on sabaths? There's only one sect who does that. So if you're not a sabatarian you're guilty safe you can explain your reason for Sun-day worship

Do you think observing the sabbath meant only gathering? I don't do any work that i usually do other days of the week. Shopping etc...
I spend much time doing things related to Gods. Its also the best time to be in my family, share love.
The sunday worship to me is not a Rest day as the Sabbath, If i find a job on Sunday for example, i will work to prove that i do not observe it as decleared by the Pope.

Christianity Etc › This Chapter Is Disturbing Me, Can You Make It Clearer Please? by plappville(op): 5:55pm On Oct 29, 2012

What exactly is this Chapter talking about, anyone who believe He/She has a good understanding should please explain the exact point Of Paul.
I do not know if Am i getting it all right or not, Are we been assured that keeping the law, cannot save us from Our sins? Some sincere comments please Thanks in advance.

Galatians 3:22-29(NIV)
22 But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
23 Before the coming of this faith,[a] we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 3:22-29 (NASB)
22 But the Scripture has shut up [a]everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is [c]neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.

Christianity Etc › Re: Breaking Gods Law And The Mark Of The Beast...... by plappville(op): 5:32pm On Oct 29, 2012

The Beast’s Mark

Now understand this most basic point. The mark is plainly identified as one pertaining to the beast.
It is the “mark of the beast.” Other of my books have carefully identified the beast as the Roman Empire, with much proof.
The beast of Revelation 17 exists at and just before the Return of Christ. This is the Holy Roman Empire through its seven revivals, or resurrections.
Therefore, the mark of the beast is the mark of the seventh and last head of the (Holy) Roman Empire.

The mark of the beast is not the mark of the Roman Catholic Church. This is because the woman of Revelation 17 is the great church that rides the (Holy) Roman Empire.
The Bible does not speak of the “mark of the woman,” but rather of the “mark of the beast” that the woman rides. Is this clear?

Certainly the “woman” is also a small organized civil kingdom, or government, as well as being a church—and she does guide, direct and lead the far greater kingdom that she rides.
But, while the beast has much greater power than she has, like any horse, camel or elephant has greater power than its rider, the rider—in this case, the “woman”—steers the animal to do its bidding.

Remember what we read: “And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he CAUSES all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a MARK in their right hand, or in their foreheads” (Rev. 13:15-16).

We can summarize in this way: This great false church steers, guides and directs—“causes”—others to receive the mark.
She does not directly administer it herself, but rather causes all in the empire to accept—“receive”—the mark.
She is the same woman that caused the martyrdom of saints throughout the ages.
The mark is received in the right hand and the forehead—and it is a kind of brand of the (Holy) Roman Empire, not of the church.
This mark will be brought—caused—upon the entire civilized western world!

~~To be continued...~~

Christianity Etc › Re: Paganism And Catholicism: Sun Worship Symbols by plappville(f): 6:33pm On Oct 27, 2012

God4moi: catholics have their theological reason but modern xtians? ask pappville n bookmark

You' re missing it man, i am no longer hocked with Pagan doctrines, it seems u do not understand!

Christianity Etc › Re: Paganism And Catholicism: Sun Worship Symbols by plappville(f): 6:29pm On Oct 27, 2012

Horus: Christians are hypocrits. What is the day of the week they choose to worship?, SUN-day, yes they go to church to worship every SUNday

You are right, but not all Christians observe the sunday as rest day. I worship anyday, but i still keep Gods Sabbath. And am sure there are alot of Christian who continue to observe this 4th commandment.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Name Of The Holyghost/spirit?? by plappville(f): 5:44pm On Oct 27, 2012

onye ego: His name is the comforter.
Now that u know.
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