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Joagbaje: The Jews didn't recognize Jesus as messiah , they still live in the old testament . During the tribulation full activity would have been restored in Jerusalem. The Antichrist will build them a new temple, while all the animal sacrifice and other temple activities will resume. On sabbath days they are not suppose to truck beyond 1 mile . if not it will be termed as "Work" so when the persecution of the Jews starts. Some will not be able to flee if it happens to be on sabbath day because they should travel on a sabbath. That one mile limit is called sabbath day journey.

Acts 1:12
Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.

ijawkid: Enigma na wa for you ooo.....

@ John 12:41 ;,john was quoting from isaiah 53 and not from isaiah chapter 6....

The rate @ which you guys twist the scriptures has got me SMH!!!!!!........

Let's compare chapters and verses...oya.......

Isaiah 53:1....

New International Version (NIV)
53 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the ""arm"" of the LORD been
revealed?


Compare with john 12:38...

New International Version (©1984)
This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the
prophet: "Lord, who has believed our message
and to whom has the"" arm"" of the Lord been
revealed?"


....

And who was this arm from isaiahs prophecy??

Let's read through isaiah 53:2-11

2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to
him,
nothing in his appearance that we should
desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low
esteem.
4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on
him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken
away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was
punished.
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush him and
cause him to suffer,
and though the LORD makes[c] his life an
offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the LORD will prosper in his
hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[d] and be
satisfied[e];
by his knowledge[f] my righteous ""SERVANT"" will
justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
.........

Verse 11 points to (Jesus) as Gods righteous SERVANT.......


So isaiah for saw the glory and coming of Gods annointed one and servant and not GOD.........

Enigma: Did you not see this verse in the Hosea passage?



Meanwhile you are the one who have been twisting and "interpreting" so far! All I have done is set out the passages.

Joagbaje: Hi pappi

Sunday didn't replace the sabbath. But the early church worship on Sundays . There's no longer any special holy day. Either Sunday or Saturday. Christ is our sabbath. He is the fulfillment of the sabbath principle .

Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Enigma: @plappville

By the way do you have an explanation for this one aussi?

Isaiah 6

And according to John

John 12:41

Enigma: Another thing, do you now still believe your colleague who says Jesus did NOT exist until He was conceived and born by Mary?

Enigma: Are you saying that the Bible contradicts itself ---- because the Bible says that Isaiah etc etc etc saw God.

By the way, if you have been following the posts of those of us "Trinitarians" you should have noticed that we have used the Bible to explain this. Here below is one example.

Isaiah saw God!

Isaiah 6



And of course that Isaiah saw God is explained here

John 12:41


Question: so who was the God that Isaiah saw?

Another thing, do you now still believe your colleague who says Jesus did NOT exist until He was conceived and born by Mary?

Enigma: Are you saying that the Bible contradicts itself ---- because the Bible says that Isaiah etc etc etc saw God.

Logicboy03: Just admit it, you like my arguments



I just find it hard to accept that anyone that knows the full history of Nigeria/West Africa can still be a christian or a muslim after what these religion did to us. How can you accept a religion that regulated the slavery of your race if you are not a mental slave?

dayokanu: So why are people who celebrate Xmas with pomp suddenly condemning Halloween as being a Pagan celebration

dayokanu: Does Christmas not have a pagan root?

Is it not a celebration of the sun god?

Logicboy03: lol

dramenda: Halloween is evil,u need to see my street now,RIP SIGN, COFFIN , SKELETON n stuff, we nigerians in united state dont join them in celebrating it. that day is when enemy target themself, cctv cant identify nobody cus of the custume n stuff.

JeSoul: I don't understand the point of halloween.

And this is not based on the "it has pagan roots" etc etc or else there is plenty in our lives (christians) we would not celebrate at all. Not everything has to be "scriptural" before you ban or not ban it.

My argument is on the surface, basic instinct - what is fun in the idea of celebrating terror, death, gore, blood, evil, horror, darkness etc etc?? I just don't see it. Our rational sensibilities would tell us that its odd - if not for society has accepted it as 'normal'. Someone will say its just fun for the kids to dress up & get candy - can't I give my kids candy without dressing them up in ridiculous looking costumes in the name of whatever?

^just my 2cents.

Enigma: Be careful. I have warned you that I will send you to people in your family much older than you.

To avoid that necessity, I have kept away from your posts; when your cup becomes full, I will not hesitate to send you to people old enough to give birth to you.

Image123: Are these below from the koran?

Gen 32:30 Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for, he said, " I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved."

Isa 6:5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.

Didn't Moses sing that God is a man?

Logicboy03:


Moses is celebrated, isnt he? And he is dead!



Now, you christians worship a dead man every day? How is that any different from halloween?

Enigma: Revelation 19

Image123: but Moses sang in Exodus that God is a man. why are you cherry picking?

aletheia: You lot are. . .endlessly rehashing Muslim and Jewish arguments.

1. The Word of God became flesh means Jesus came as a Man --- indeed as the Son of Man. So 'like me' is only highlighting the fact that The Word of God descended from heaven as the man Jesus.
2. The Word was with God and the Word was God.
3. Ergo, God became flesh and we saw Him as the man, the Son of God, Jesus Christ of Nazareth. . .the only begotten, not adopted.
4. Understand this: the Incarnation is the necessary means to salvation for only God could bridge the chasm between Man and God and He did this by becoming a Man and thereby reconciling Man to God. There is a Bible verse that clearly states that no man can redeem another man or give a ransom to God for his soul that he should live forever.
If you consider yourself a diligent bible student then
search out that verse in the book of Psalms. . .but understand this only God becoming a man can give a ransom to God for mens' souls. . .something that Job understood in the midst of his suffering. . .(9:33) and you do agree that Jesus gave a ransom for us. . .?

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1Ti 2:5

And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the
promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:15

The prepositional clause And for this cause is basically summarizing Hebrews chs 1:8. Study them
again.
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
1 Ti 3:16

Jesus Himself had much to say about who he was.
Consider for example this:
What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Joh 6:62-63

Note two things here:
1. The Son of man ascending up to where he was before? This states that the Son of man was somewhere before coming down to earth. Jesus Himself clearly states this: And no man hath
ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. Joh 3:13
Some OT prophets: Isaiah, Ezekiel and Daniel did see the Son of man before he descended to earth.


2. The words of Jesus are spirit and life. That is a clear claim to Deity. Tell me. Are your words spirit? That the words of Jesus are spirit is clear when you consider these:
i. God is a Spirit
ii. The Word was God
iii. The Word became flesh
iv. Isn't it then obvious how the words of Jesus are spirit and life?

But this are the days spoken of in prophecy and so it not surprising that you lot have arisen. . .

Pastor Kun: I don't know what the whole arguement is all about because the bible makes it clear in deut 14:28-29 and deut 26:12 that tithes should be given to the poor. However this was an instruction to the Israelites who were eligible to tithe as the tithe law was NEVER directed at christians. Christians are NOT required to tithe. But if pastors must preach tithes based on the obsolete commandment to the Jews to tithe (some call it an example others lie and call it a principle) then they must practise it as the bible instructed and not twist it and use it to manipulate believers for their own selfish benefit and then claim
they are using the money for God's work.

Image123: my, my, Jesus says He is the Door and the truth. Then come along mr and mrs anti Trinity and say almost in one breath that God is Truth and Door. hmmm, God works in mysterious ways .

obadiah777: i was not correcting you at all. i just reiterated what you thought i was by retyping it.

atuagbo: Where in d Bible, pls

expertfingers: It was NOT an advice. It's the rule once you are in Christ.

Does that answer your question?

expertfingers: Not putting yourself in bondage of whatever was in the law(old testament law) is actually a core
package of the new covenant. Paul felt very very strongly about this. This is what he has to say
about those pushing the tenets of the law:

Gal 5:12 I wish those people who are bothering you would add castration to their circumcision. (ERV)
Gal 5:12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you. (KJV)

frosbel: AMEN.

We are to pray to GOD directly in the name of Jesus.

Trinitarians are trying to make Father GOD redundant , very wicked and evil.